"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:13:18 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Instead, you have large,
long period waves with crests that are not breaking or anything close to
breaking

That's on a good day, and then there are the others.

It does not take a wave to throw a boat into a broach if it is dead
down wind with the main sheeted in hard. Any strong gust will do.


Wrong!

Wilbur Hubbard

Wayne.B wrote:


It does not take a wave to throw a boat into a broach if it is dead
down wind with the main sheeted in hard. Any strong gust will do.


This is just plain silly.

On 2008-10-15 16:23:30 -0400, "Edgar" said:

If you anchored by the stern and left a large parachute flying I doubt if
anyone else would care to anchor near enough to pass a wire to you for some
of your electrical power

And I can imagine the excess stress on the ground-tackle from the
parasail. At a minimum, hauling anchor would be "interesting" even if
you did remember to pull the beast back in. More likely is that you'd
drag through the anchorage if there's any wind to speak of.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

On 2008-10-15 14:13:18 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

You don't have choppy little seas you find on your little bays and
inland lakes that can raise the stern out of the water enough to
disengage the rudder because of the teeter-totter effect of short
wavelengths. Instead, you have large, long period waves with crests
that are not breaking or anything close to breaking unless you're
sailing in a gale and those who sail in a gale under spinnaker are
crazy.

I agree that whomever mentioned the rudder coming out of the water on a
reach/run just wasn't thinking.... Xan's rudder reaches down 3.5'+,
only 6" less than our keel. If her rudder gets significantly un-wetted,
so does her keel .....

We know that it takes on the order of 40 degree heel to show any keel,
so I doubt that's going to happen, as I have never seen us hit 45 for
more than instants.

Strike that. Last October 27-28, I made a bunch of mistakes which
landed Xan and one of her sisters in shallow-enough water to show 45
degrees on the inclinometer as the water blew away overnight. Since we
were still alongside when the sun came up, 'twas easy to see their hull
and keel. Even at that extreme angle, the keel was barely exposed, the
hull well free of the bottom. I do believe that the Towboat/US guy was
surprised how easily he pulled us out. As soon as he threw the
throttles forward, we moved.

And before you slam me for such a stupid set of mistakes, the pics from
that "learning experience" are on Xan's pages (below). I, like Skip, am
secure enough to say "I screwed up" in an effort to warn others not to
do *those* particularly stupid tricks.

EVERYONE who sails does stupid tricks. It's part of the fun -- afterwards.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

"WaIIy" wrote in message
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She never said that, idiot.

No, neither did Al Gore say that he invented the Internet. But it's ever so
much fun to repeat these things because they accurately reflect the person
in question -- or at least a certain perception of them.

What Sarah Palin DID say, and to this day insists on defending, is that
because it is possible to see Russia from an island which is part of Alaska,
she has "foreign policy experience." Face it: That's a pretty idiotic thing
to say. And Al Gore DID say that he "took the initiative in creating the
Internet," which is almost just as stupid.

Sarah Palin will be forever known as the woman who said she can see Russia
from her house. I'm okay with that, even knowing that it's not true.

On Oct 15, 8:13*pm, WaIIy wrote:
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:23:45 -0700 (PDT), "Capt.Bill"





wrote:
On Oct 14, 7:55*pm, WaIIy wrote:
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:16:18 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote:

I think this Palin like moment has proved what we have all suspected. * Neal
/ Wilbur / whoever's apparent knowledge of boats and sailing is entirely
gained from books read at his mooring (and recently, probably, his ward).
I've never seen him post anything here that goes beyond what is in the usual
reading list and this statement is an assumption and error that could easily
be made by even an extensively read armchair sailor that never took his boat
out into open water.

Even you can't keep politics out, eh Roger?

Politics? Just an observation of fact I'd say.

Wilbur/Neal can see the oceans on Google Earth, there for he can sail
them. In his mind.

Just like Palin can see Russia from her front yard. And there for
understands U.S./Russian relations. In her mind.

Capt. Bill

She never said that, idiot.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Notice the lack of quotation marks. Idiot.

Capt.
Bill

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:02:56 -0600, Paul Cassel
wrote:


It does not take a wave to throw a boat into a broach if it is dead
down wind with the main sheeted in hard. Any strong gust will do.


This is just plain silly.

Your mileage may vary.

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:56:02 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:13:18 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Instead, you have large,
long period waves with crests that are not breaking or anything close to
breaking

That's on a good day, and then there are the others.

It does not take a wave to throw a boat into a broach if it is dead
down wind with the main sheeted in hard. Any strong gust will do.

Ah, but if you get the right wave you can do 14.5 knots sideways.

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:57:17 +0100, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:

It does not take a wave to throw a boat into a broach if it is dead
down wind with the main sheeted in hard. Any strong gust will do.

Ah, but if you get the right wave you can do 14.5 knots sideways.

Just before the knock down. :-)

It's been my experience that sailing with the spreaders in the water
is slow. Don't ask me how I know that.

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:12:59 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:57:17 +0100, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:

It does not take a wave to throw a boat into a broach if it is dead
down wind with the main sheeted in hard. Any strong gust will do.

Ah, but if you get the right wave you can do 14.5 knots sideways.

Just before the knock down. :-)

It's been my experience that sailing with the spreaders in the water
is slow. Don't ask me how I know that.

Great feeling when they bob back up and you don't have to stand on the
jib sheet winch.