[OT] Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
 

http://tinyurl.com/4846kf


United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders
Obama to produce the following:
1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version)
Birth Certificate; and
2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship;
3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance

Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them. He's a fraud. He's a
Muslim and part of an Al Queda plot to take over the country, soon to be
thwarted.

It appears that Hillary is going to be the new Democrat candidate real
soon....

Perhaps there is a god.

--
Gregory Hall

[OT] Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
 

On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:19:56 -0400, "Gregory Hall"
wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/4846kf


United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders
Obama to produce the following:
1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version)
Birth Certificate; and
2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship;
3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance

Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them.

I'm quite sure I don't have all of thiose documents for myself, and
you don't have them for yourself, either.

Meanwhile, here's an editorial from George W Bush's hometown newspaper
in Crawford, TX:

http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolute...p?a=3337&z=290

EDITORIAL
Sunday, October 05, 2008
By Nathan Diebenow, Don M. Fisher, W. Leon Smith

*We Trust Obama
**/2008 Presidential Endorsement/*

So, how’s that free market economy working for you?

This time four years ago, The Lone Star Iconoclast, as the hometown
newspaper for President George W. Bush, endorsed Sen. John Kerry for
president. Back then, we wholeheartedly believed Kerry would restore
order to the chaos of the previous Bush term. Now, we feel called to
return for a moment from exile near Crawford, Texas, to witness
another presidential election and throw our two cents in...

We trust Sen. Barack Obama to be our next President of the United
States.

But we disagree on so many of his issue positions. For instance, we
want our troops out of the Middle East now. We think stronger wages —
for all workers foreign and domestic living in America — should
replace all future "free trade" agreements. We will support "clean
coal" only when Al Gore uses his teeth to pick up the clean end of a
dog turd. And we believe that this country needs to accept that Ronald
Reagan was a complete idiot.

Still, we trust Obama.

Why? The junior senator from Illinois has shown us that it is not the
world that must change. America must change. For decades, we have
listened to money lenders like Alan Greenspan as if we wanted to
return to those Paleolithic days before Joseph’s "Seven Years of
Plenty and Famine." The next president must do more than let Jesus
take the wheel; he must be willing to throw the free market money
changers out of the temple.

Obama has paid his dues.

Given the state of our political system, Obama has still inspired
citizens young and old and across religious and ethnic lines during
his long-fought campaign. Nobody experienced this phenomenon better
than us Texans during our hotly-contested primary season. Any
political party would die for that kind of organization, drive, and
commitment. Thanks to him, this next election will attract more voters
than ever before.

Obama believes in you.

From what we’ve seen of him, Obama cares about his family and their
well-beings. He listens to his opponents and struggles with them to
find common ground. He strongly believes that America is at her best
when she helps her neighbors get ahead. So for him, this election is
not about him. It’s about you. How are you? Are you happy? How is your
family? How is work? Are you living better than you were four or eight
years ago?

Vote Obama.

We will enter our voting booths justified on Nov. 4 by asking
ourselves "Who do I trust?" Obama’s opponents share the same
qualities: anger, cynicism, desperation, and disrespect. Obama has
shown us that he is taking a chance at losing this election to earn
our trust and share future prosperity among us. He believes that those
who receive the greatest material benefit from America should bear the
greatest burden of maintaining her.

Stay vigilant.

The future of America is, as it has always been, in the hands of its
citizenry. We would not have it any other way. It makes life more
interesting — freakier — even with Barack Obama in the White House.
Still, the hounds of fascism are always awake, hiding, hungry, and
ready to control.

Americans must not choose between liberty and the blessings of food,
rent, medicine, and life-sustaining necessities. Such grace is cheap.
We must instead nourish our freedom.

Now that the Iconoclast/ /has said its piece, it will return to its
exile and gather its energy for another day. May you pursue your
happiness with hope, grace, love, and decency in community.

— Nathan Diebenow, Don M. Fisher, W. Leon Smith

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On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:36:23 -0400, salty wrote:

On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:19:56 -0400, "Gregory Hall"
wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/4846kf


United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders
Obama to produce the following:
1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long
version) Birth Certificate; and
2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship; 3. A
Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance

Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them.

I'm quite sure I don't have all of thiose documents for myself, and you
don't have them for yourself, either.

And, if you'll notice, the Judge didn't sign that document. In other
words, Judge Surrick hasn't ordered Obama to produce anything.

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wrote:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:19:56 -0400, "Gregory Hall"
wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/4846kf


United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders
Obama to produce the following:
1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version)
Birth Certificate; and
2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship;
3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance

Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them.

I'm quite sure I don't have all of thiose documents for myself, and
you don't have them for yourself, either.

Meanwhile, here's an editorial from George W Bush's hometown newspaper
in Crawford, TX:

http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolute...p?a=3337&z=290

EDITORIAL
Sunday, October 05, 2008
By Nathan Diebenow, Don M. Fisher, W. Leon Smith

*We Trust Obama
**/2008 Presidential Endorsement/*

So, how’s that free market economy working for you?


A tiny bit of research about the banking crisis reveals that it was not
the free market that caused it, it was *over* regulation (primarily
fannie and freddie) which compelled banks to provide mortgages to people
who did not qualify. When the housing market slumped millions of these
people defaulted because there mortgages were worth more than their
property.

It is the height of stupidity for lefties to be blaming the economic
crisis on "the free market" when it has been democrats and only
democrats over the years which put in place and then strengthened the
regulations that caused this crisis.

Stephen

Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
 

"Gregory Hall" wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/4846kf

United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders
Obama to produce the following:
1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version)
Birth Certificate; and
2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship;
3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance


--
Gregory Hall

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

If Obama was born in the U.S., he might not have access to his
original birth certificate. A certified copy is all he will ever have.

In many counties (such as the one where I was born) all original birth
certificates are county property. You can have all the copies you
want, and the clerk of court will be glad to certify them.

What's all this about a "Certificate of Citizenship"? What's an "Oath
of Allegiance"?
I certainly don't have either of those. Is that one of those black-
helicopter things we should worry about?

Personally, I'd just as soon not have the gov't require natural-born
citizens to clutter up their lives with yet more worthless paperwork.

DSK

Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
 

On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:23:12 -0700, dougking888 wrote:


What's all this about a "Certificate of Citizenship"? What's an "Oath of
Allegiance"?

If you become a naturalized citizen, the government will give you an
Certificate of Citizenship and make you take an Oath of Allegiance. One
part of the Berg suit states that even if Obama was born in this country,
when his parents took him to Indonesia, he lost his American citizenship,
and would of had to be naturalized.

Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
 

On Oct 7, 8:06*am, Stephen Trapani wrote:
....
A tiny bit of research about the banking crisis reveals that it was not
the free market that caused it, it was *over* regulation (primarily
fannie and freddie) which compelled banks to provide mortgages to people
who did not qualify. When the housing market slumped millions of these
people defaulted because there mortgages were worth more than their
property. ...


A tiny bit more research will show any honest person that neither the
numbers nor the history work for the thesis that F&F are the primary
causes of the crisis. F&F aren't blameless but dollarwise they are
about 10% of the problem at the housing level despite holding about
half of all housing loans and the 600 billion (give or take) Alt-A/sub-
prime market has been leveraged into a 60 ish trillion dollar problem
with CDO, CDO', CDO'' and CDS's. The collateralized debt obligations
and their square and cube derivatives and the credit default swaps
were all traded in a unregulated market. (still would be if the
market hadn't evaporated).

For the anti-gov't folks a more defensible argument is that the
problem was cause by the Fed juicing the economy for the last eight
years. But, the issues run deeper than just that, too.

--Tom.

[OT] Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
 

"Gregory Hall" wrote in
:

http://tinyurl.com/4846kf


United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick
orders Obama to produce the following:
1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long
version) Birth Certificate; and
2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship;
3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance

Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them. He's a fraud.
He's a Muslim and part of an Al Queda plot to take over the country,
soon to be thwarted.

It appears that Hillary is going to be the new Democrat candidate real
soon....

Perhaps there is a god.

--
Gregory Hall



So, the Republicans are trying to elect The Keating 5's dirtiest
*******.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW-hNDnj4kQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9xgFYu5DEA

So, we have very dirty, nasty hands at the RNC in charge....Keating
isn't going away, nor is John's nasty little Hanoi secrets.

Now, do you REALLY think, in your heart, that the Democrat Party is SO
stupid that they would hand the Republican Party a free pass for 4 more
years of banker-induced war and neocon genocide by putting up ANY
candidate that is CLEARLY not qualified? Come on!



Both these nice Freemasons are all members of the "clubs" that make
them eligible for the Council On Foreign Relations and the nasty cults
to be President puppets of the ruling elite. Doesn't matter which one,
they'll both do as they are told....or else:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E66__vymfPA
Remember what happened to the last President who didn't follow orders
from "them"?

Why do you think liberal TV corporations are all so quiet on McCain's
sordid past?

Because they are being told to....easy as that.

......Just like investigating 9/11

[OT] Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
 

"Larry" wrote in message
...
troll and rants removed

I think you should vote for Barr or Paul.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
 

On Oct 7, 6:36*am, wrote:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:19:56 -0400, "Gregory Hall"
wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/4846kf

United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders
Obama to produce the following:
1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version)
Birth Certificate; and
2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship;
3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance

Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them.

I'm quite sure I don't have all of thiose documents for myself, and
you don't have them for yourself, either.

Meanwhile, here's an editorial from George W Bush's hometown newspaper
in Crawford, TX:

http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolute...p?a=3337&z=290

EDITORIAL
Sunday, October 05, 2008
By Nathan Diebenow, Don M. Fisher, W. Leon Smith

*We Trust Obama
**/2008 Presidential Endorsement/*

So, how’s that free market economy working for you?

This time four years ago, The Lone Star Iconoclast, as the hometown
newspaper for President George W. Bush, endorsed Sen. John Kerry for
president. Back then, we wholeheartedly believed Kerry would restore
order to the chaos of the previous Bush term. Now, we feel called to
return for a moment from exile near Crawford, Texas, to witness
another presidential election and throw our two cents in...

We trust Sen. Barack Obama to be our next President of the United
States.

But we disagree on so many of his issue positions. For instance, we
want our troops out of the Middle East now. We think stronger wages —
for all workers foreign and domestic living in America — should
replace all future "free trade" agreements. We will support "clean
coal" only when Al Gore uses his teeth to pick up the clean end of a
dog turd. And we believe that this country needs to accept that Ronald
Reagan was a complete idiot.

Still, we trust Obama.

Why? The junior senator from Illinois has shown us that it is not the
world that must change. America must change. For decades, we have
listened to money lenders like Alan Greenspan as if we wanted to
return to those Paleolithic days before Joseph’s "Seven Years of
Plenty and Famine." The next president must do more than let Jesus
take the wheel; he must be willing to throw the free market money
changers out of the temple.

Obama has paid his dues.

Given the state of our political system, Obama has still inspired
citizens young and old and across religious and ethnic lines during
his long-fought campaign. Nobody experienced this phenomenon better
than us Texans during our hotly-contested primary season. Any
political party would die for that kind of organization, drive, and
commitment. Thanks to him, this next election will attract more voters
than ever before.

Obama believes in you.

From what we’ve seen of him, Obama cares about his family and their
well-beings. He listens to his opponents and struggles with them to
find common ground. He strongly believes that America is at her best
when she helps her neighbors get ahead. So for him, this election is
not about him. It’s about you. How are you? Are you happy? How is your
family? How is work? Are you living better than you were four or eight
years ago?

Vote Obama.

We will enter our voting booths justified on Nov. 4 by asking
ourselves "Who do I trust?" Obama’s opponents share the same
qualities: anger, cynicism, desperation, and disrespect. Obama has
shown us that he is taking a chance at losing this election to earn
our trust and share future prosperity among us. He believes that those
who receive the greatest material benefit from America should bear the
greatest burden of maintaining her.

Stay vigilant.

The future of America is, as it has always been, in the hands of its
citizenry. We would not have it any other way. It makes life more
interesting — freakier — even with Barack Obama in the White House.
Still, the hounds of fascism are always awake, hiding, hungry, and
ready to control.

Americans must not choose between liberty and the blessings of food,
rent, medicine, and life-sustaining necessities. Such grace is cheap.
We must instead nourish our freedom.

Now that the Iconoclast/ /has said its piece, it will return to its
exile and gather its energy for another day. May you pursue your
happiness with hope, grace, love, and decency in community.

— Nathan Diebenow, Don M. Fisher, W. Leon Smith

"Now that the Iconoclast has said its piece, it will return to its
exile and gather its energy for another day"
What kind of Newspaper is this??!! I'm guessing some kind of Communist
paper no one reads. they are knocking the Free Market economy. What is
the alternative? Government controlled socialism. This paper has no
credibility. This problem came from the democrats forcing banks to
loan money to paople that couldnt afford to pay it back and then when
there was an attempt to bring attention to the problem, they denied
there was a problem. Mr Maobama was right there.

Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
 

On Oct 7, 2:22*pm, Larry wrote:
"Gregory Hall" wrote :





http://tinyurl.com/4846kf

United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick
orders Obama to produce the following:
1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long
version) Birth Certificate; and
2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship;
3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance

Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them. He's a fraud.
He's a Muslim and part of an Al Queda plot to take over the country,
soon to be thwarted.

It appears that Hillary is going to be the new Democrat candidate real
soon....

Perhaps there is a god.

--
Gregory Hall

So, the Republicans are trying to elect The Keating 5's dirtiest
*******.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW-hNDnj4kQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9xgFYu5DEA

So, we have very dirty, nasty hands at the RNC in charge....Keating
isn't going away, nor is John's nasty little Hanoi secrets.

Now, do you REALLY think, in your heart, that the Democrat Party is SO
stupid that they would hand the Republican Party a free pass for 4 more
years of banker-induced war and neocon genocide by putting up ANY
candidate that is CLEARLY not qualified? *Come on!

Both these nice Freemasons *are all members of the "clubs" that make
them eligible for the Council On Foreign Relations and the nasty cults
to be President puppets of the ruling elite. *Doesn't matter which one,
they'll both do as they are told....or else:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E66__vymfPA
Remember what happened to the last President who didn't follow orders
from "them"?

Why do you think liberal TV corporations are all so quiet on McCain's
sordid past?

Because they are being told to....easy as that.

.....Just like investigating 9/11- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

McCain has no sorid past. Thats why they are quiet about it. Maobama
has done NOTHING to show he is qualified. He doesnt have the balls to
take a stand on anything. If you are a socialist or a freeloader, you
will love the Obama nation. If you are a true American Patriot, you
know Obama will destroy everything that made this country great. But
yet...the weak and the ignorant will vote for him. The weak will
profit from him and the ignorant will stand there wondering what the
hell happened.

Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
 

On Oct 7, 12:12*pm, Bay Boater wrote:
On Oct 7, 2:22*pm, Larry wrote:





"Gregory Hall" wrote :

http://tinyurl.com/4846kf

United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick
orders Obama to produce the following:
1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long
version) Birth Certificate; and
2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship;
3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance

Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them. He's a fraud.
He's a Muslim and part of an Al Queda plot to take over the country,
soon to be thwarted.

It appears that Hillary is going to be the new Democrat candidate real
soon....

Perhaps there is a god.

--
Gregory Hall

So, the Republicans are trying to elect The Keating 5's dirtiest
*******.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW-hNDnj4kQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9xgFYu5DEA

So, we have very dirty, nasty hands at the RNC in charge....Keating
isn't going away, nor is John's nasty little Hanoi secrets.

Now, do you REALLY think, in your heart, that the Democrat Party is SO
stupid that they would hand the Republican Party a free pass for 4 more
years of banker-induced war and neocon genocide by putting up ANY
candidate that is CLEARLY not qualified? *Come on!

Both these nice Freemasons *are all members of the "clubs" that make
them eligible for the Council On Foreign Relations and the nasty cults
to be President puppets of the ruling elite. *Doesn't matter which one,
they'll both do as they are told....or else:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E66__vymfPA
Remember what happened to the last President who didn't follow orders
from "them"?

Why do you think liberal TV corporations are all so quiet on McCain's
sordid past?

Because they are being told to....easy as that.

.....Just like investigating 9/11- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

McCain has no sorid past. Thats why they are quiet about it. Maobama
has done NOTHING to show he is qualified. He doesnt have the balls to
take a stand on anything. If you are a socialist or a freeloader, you
will love the Obama nation. If you are a true American Patriot, you
know Obama will destroy everything that made this country great. But
yet...the weak and the ignorant will vote for him. The weak will
profit from him and the ignorant will stand there wondering what the
hell happened.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull ****! mccain has a past and its not good in many ways.
this bloody moronic this guy has no stain has got to stop.

nether of these two landsiders is a good guy, nether is qualified to
clean a bilge. nether has a work ethic and both will turncoat as soon
as it gets rough. and the little guy will get cornholed with a sand
lubricant like he always has under either of them.

at this point its down to a matter of lable not ability.

if iut was a matter of ability neither of these jokers would be on the
ballot.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in
easolutions:

Paul.

Oh if we were only allowed to........but we're not

Diebold already as the voting machines stuffed...

Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
 

Bay Boater wrote in news:71a8ebe0-e681-430d-9fce-
:

McCain has no sorid past.

What vacuum bottle do you live in??

Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
 

On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:12:12 -0700, Bay Boater wrote:

snip
don't you bozos have bigger fish to fry?

who has bankrupted your country?

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"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote in
easolutions:

Paul.

Oh if we were only allowed to........but we're not

Diebold already as the voting machines stuffed...



Are you telling me that you're unable to vote for Barr or Paul? I believe
they're on many state ballots.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
 

On Oct 7, 8:06*am, Stephen Trapani wrote:
....
A tiny bit of research about the banking crisis reveals that it was not
the free market that caused it, it was *over* regulation (primarily
fannie and freddie) ...

As I've said before that's a meme current mostly with folks who can't
add. I thought the following was a pretty amusing take:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/162789

-- Tom.

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In article lutions,
"Capt. JG" wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote in
easolutions:

Paul.

Oh if we were only allowed to........but we're not

Diebold already as the voting machines stuffed...



Are you telling me that you're unable to vote for Barr or Paul? I believe
they're on many state ballots.

Ron Paul is going on the Louisiana ballot, thanks to our meet-up groups..

--
Molesworth

http://www.stcustards.free-online.co.uk/

[OT] Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in
easolutions:

Are you telling me that you're unable to vote for Barr or Paul? I
believe they're on many state ballots.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com





No, I'm telling you you're not able to vote for anyone not programmed to
win by the Diebold viruses built into the voting machines....as EXTENSIVELY
documented by very reputable institutions like Stanford's Computer Science
geniuses.

Youtube search on Diebold

They've been widely televised.

Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
 

In article
,
Bay Boater wrote:

On Oct 7, 2:22*pm, Larry wrote:
"Gregory Hall" wrote
:





http://tinyurl.com/4846kf

United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick
orders Obama to produce the following:
1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long
version) Birth Certificate; and
2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship;
3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance

Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them. He's a fraud.
He's a Muslim and part of an Al Queda plot to take over the country,
soon to be thwarted.

It appears that Hillary is going to be the new Democrat candidate real
soon....

Perhaps there is a god.

--
Gregory Hall

So, the Republicans are trying to elect The Keating 5's dirtiest
*******.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW-hNDnj4kQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9xgFYu5DEA

So, we have very dirty, nasty hands at the RNC in charge....Keating
isn't going away, nor is John's nasty little Hanoi secrets.

Now, do you REALLY think, in your heart, that the Democrat Party is SO
stupid that they would hand the Republican Party a free pass for 4 more
years of banker-induced war and neocon genocide by putting up ANY
candidate that is CLEARLY not qualified? *Come on!

Both these nice Freemasons *are all members of the "clubs" that make
them eligible for the Council On Foreign Relations and the nasty cults
to be President puppets of the ruling elite. *Doesn't matter which one,
they'll both do as they are told....or
else:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E66 vymfPA
Remember what happened to the last President who didn't follow orders
from "them"?

Why do you think liberal TV corporations are all so quiet on McCain's
sordid past?

Because they are being told to....easy as that.

.....Just like investigating 9/11- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

McCain has no sorid past.

Errmm, have a look at the latest 'National Enquirer'.. after the Edwards
scoop, it's got some credibility..

--
Molesworth

http://www.stcustards.free-online.co.uk/

[OT] Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
 

wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:06:24 -0700, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:19:56 -0400, "Gregory Hall"
wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/4846kf


United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders
Obama to produce the following:
1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version)
Birth Certificate; and
2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship;
3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance

Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them.
I'm quite sure I don't have all of thiose documents for myself, and
you don't have them for yourself, either.

Meanwhile, here's an editorial from George W Bush's hometown newspaper
in Crawford, TX:

http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolute...p?a=3337&z=290

EDITORIAL
Sunday, October 05, 2008
By Nathan Diebenow, Don M. Fisher, W. Leon Smith

*We Trust Obama
**/2008 Presidential Endorsement/*

So, how’s that free market economy working for you?

A tiny bit of research about the banking crisis reveals that it was not
the free market that caused it, it was *over* regulation (primarily
fannie and freddie) which compelled banks to provide mortgages to people
who did not qualify. When the housing market slumped millions of these
people defaulted because there mortgages were worth more than their
property.

It is the height of stupidity for lefties to be blaming the economic
crisis on "the free market" when it has been democrats and only
democrats over the years which put in place and then strengthened the
regulations that caused this crisis.

Stephen

Once again, Stephen Trapani reveals his idiocy in all it's glory.

He does this pretty much every time he posts, so it doesn't surprise
anyone.

I provided a statement and argument, you replied entirely with ad
hominem and no relevant content apparently because you haven't a clue
what I'm talking about. I'm afraid that makes you the idiot.

Stephen

Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
 

wrote:
On Oct 7, 8:06 am, Stephen Trapani wrote:
...
A tiny bit of research about the banking crisis reveals that it was not
the free market that caused it, it was *over* regulation (primarily
fannie and freddie) ...

As I've said before that's a meme current mostly with folks who can't
add. I thought the following was a pretty amusing take:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/162789

From that article:

"Look. There was a culture of stupid, reckless lending, of which Fannie
Mae and Freddie Mac and the subprime lenders were an integral part."

Basically Fannie and Freddie regulations created a false market which
was then not subjected to enough oversight and hence abused. That's the
problem with market regulation, it creates the need for ever more
regulating. Calling this a failure of free market principles is asinine.
It's like saying communism would have worked if only the leaders had
been smart enough to be more brutal and squelch more of the citizens'
rights.

Stephen

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"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote in
easolutions:

Are you telling me that you're unable to vote for Barr or Paul? I
believe they're on many state ballots.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com





No, I'm telling you you're not able to vote for anyone not programmed to
win by the Diebold viruses built into the voting machines....as
EXTENSIVELY
documented by very reputable institutions like Stanford's Computer Science
geniuses.

Youtube search on Diebold

They've been widely televised.


I'm wondering.... is there anything that is not a conspiracy in your view? I
could possibly buy one or a couple, but not everything can be a conspiracy.
That's just dumb sounding.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:03:27 -0700, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:06:24 -0700, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:19:56 -0400, "Gregory Hall"
wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/4846kf


United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders
Obama to produce the following:
1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version)
Birth Certificate; and
2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship;
3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance

Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them.
I'm quite sure I don't have all of thiose documents for myself, and
you don't have them for yourself, either.

Meanwhile, here's an editorial from George W Bush's hometown newspaper
in Crawford, TX:

http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolute...p?a=3337&z=290

EDITORIAL
Sunday, October 05, 2008
By Nathan Diebenow, Don M. Fisher, W. Leon Smith

*We Trust Obama
**/2008 Presidential Endorsement/*

So, how’s that free market economy working for you?

A tiny bit of research about the banking crisis reveals that it was not
the free market that caused it, it was *over* regulation (primarily
fannie and freddie) which compelled banks to provide mortgages to people
who did not qualify. When the housing market slumped millions of these
people defaulted because there mortgages were worth more than their
property.

It is the height of stupidity for lefties to be blaming the economic
crisis on "the free market" when it has been democrats and only
democrats over the years which put in place and then strengthened the
regulations that caused this crisis.

Stephen

Once again, Stephen Trapani reveals his idiocy in all it's glory.

He does this pretty much every time he posts, so it doesn't surprise
anyone.

I provided a statement and argument, you replied entirely with ad
hominem and no relevant content apparently because you haven't a clue
what I'm talking about. I'm afraid that makes you the idiot.

Stephen

Au contraire. I no longer bother trying to educate you, because you
have proven uneducable. Point by point dissections of your nutcase
thinking are not worth the trouble. It's enough just to point out that
you are an idiot. That's usually enough of a hint for rational
intelligent people to "get it".

Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
 

On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:12:21 -0700, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

wrote:
On Oct 7, 8:06 am, Stephen Trapani wrote:
...
A tiny bit of research about the banking crisis reveals that it was not
the free market that caused it, it was *over* regulation (primarily
fannie and freddie) ...

As I've said before that's a meme current mostly with folks who can't
add. I thought the following was a pretty amusing take:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/162789

From that article:

"Look. There was a culture of stupid, reckless lending, of which Fannie
Mae and Freddie Mac and the subprime lenders were an integral part."

Basically Fannie and Freddie regulations created a false market which
was then not subjected to enough oversight and hence abused. That's the
problem with market regulation, it creates the need for ever more
regulating. Calling this a failure of free market principles is asinine.
It's like saying communism would have worked if only the leaders had
been smart enough to be more brutal and squelch more of the citizens'
rights.

Stephen

There you go again!

Bwhahahahaha!

Judge denies Democrat Party and Obama's motion to dismiss
 

On Oct 7, 9:12*pm, Stephen Trapani wrote:
....
Basically Fannie and Freddie regulations created a false market which
was then not subjected to enough oversight and hence abused. ...

What market was that? The sub-prime market? The CDO market? The CDS
market?

F&F bought a small percent of the CDO's out there and when they turned
to crap it trashed their books. I'm not going to claim that they are
victims since they should have known better but they are in no way,
shape or form the "cause" of this problem.

--Tom.

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wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:03:27 -0700, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:06:24 -0700, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:19:56 -0400, "Gregory Hall"
wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/4846kf


United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders
Obama to produce the following:
1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version)
Birth Certificate; and
2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship;
3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance

Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them.
I'm quite sure I don't have all of thiose documents for myself, and
you don't have them for yourself, either.

Meanwhile, here's an editorial from George W Bush's hometown newspaper
in Crawford, TX:

http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolute...p?a=3337&z=290

EDITORIAL
Sunday, October 05, 2008
By Nathan Diebenow, Don M. Fisher, W. Leon Smith

*We Trust Obama
**/2008 Presidential Endorsement/*

So, how’s that free market economy working for you?

A tiny bit of research about the banking crisis reveals that it was not
the free market that caused it, it was *over* regulation (primarily
fannie and freddie) which compelled banks to provide mortgages to people
who did not qualify. When the housing market slumped millions of these
people defaulted because there mortgages were worth more than their
property.

It is the height of stupidity for lefties to be blaming the economic
crisis on "the free market" when it has been democrats and only
democrats over the years which put in place and then strengthened the
regulations that caused this crisis.

Stephen
Once again, Stephen Trapani reveals his idiocy in all it's glory.

He does this pretty much every time he posts, so it doesn't surprise
anyone.
I provided a statement and argument, you replied entirely with ad
hominem and no relevant content apparently because you haven't a clue
what I'm talking about. I'm afraid that makes you the idiot.

Stephen

Au contraire. I no longer bother trying to educate you, because you
have proven uneducable.

Translation: "You've made a fool out of me when I tried to argue with
you so I have to resort to insults."

Point by point dissections of your nutcase
thinking are not worth the trouble. It's enough just to point out that
you are an idiot. That's usually enough of a hint for rational
intelligent people to "get it".

I suggest you look into the ad hominem fallacy. Basically, it's not for
rational people. If you want to be counted among them someday, I suggest
you stop doing it.

Stephen

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On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:33:34 -0700, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:03:27 -0700, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:06:24 -0700, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:19:56 -0400, "Gregory Hall"
wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/4846kf


United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick orders
Obama to produce the following:
1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version)
Birth Certificate; and
2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship;
3. A Certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance

Obama can't produce them because he doesn't have them.
I'm quite sure I don't have all of thiose documents for myself, and
you don't have them for yourself, either.

Meanwhile, here's an editorial from George W Bush's hometown newspaper
in Crawford, TX:

http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolute...p?a=3337&z=290

EDITORIAL
Sunday, October 05, 2008
By Nathan Diebenow, Don M. Fisher, W. Leon Smith

*We Trust Obama
**/2008 Presidential Endorsement/*

So, how’s that free market economy working for you?

A tiny bit of research about the banking crisis reveals that it was not
the free market that caused it, it was *over* regulation (primarily
fannie and freddie) which compelled banks to provide mortgages to people
who did not qualify. When the housing market slumped millions of these
people defaulted because there mortgages were worth more than their
property.

It is the height of stupidity for lefties to be blaming the economic
crisis on "the free market" when it has been democrats and only
democrats over the years which put in place and then strengthened the
regulations that caused this crisis.

Stephen
Once again, Stephen Trapani reveals his idiocy in all it's glory.

He does this pretty much every time he posts, so it doesn't surprise
anyone.
I provided a statement and argument, you replied entirely with ad
hominem and no relevant content apparently because you haven't a clue
what I'm talking about. I'm afraid that makes you the idiot.

Stephen

Au contraire. I no longer bother trying to educate you, because you
have proven uneducable.

Translation: "You've made a fool out of me when I tried to argue with
you so I have to resort to insults."

Point by point dissections of your nutcase
thinking are not worth the trouble. It's enough just to point out that
you are an idiot. That's usually enough of a hint for rational
intelligent people to "get it".

I suggest you look into the ad hominem fallacy. Basically, it's not for
rational people. If you want to be counted among them someday, I suggest
you stop doing it.

Stephen

Sure, Stephen. Whatever.

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"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On 07 Oct 2008 18:22:01 GMT, Larry wrote:

Now, do you REALLY think, in your heart, that the Democrat Party is SO
stupid that they would hand the Republican Party a free pass for 4 more
years of banker-induced war and neocon genocide by putting up ANY
candidate that is CLEARLY not qualified? Come on!


"You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about
universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he
has involved young people in a political process that they didn't care
anything about. That's a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will
hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking."

Louis Farrakhan, addressing a large crowd Feb. 24, Nation of Islam
Saviour's Day 2008.


And, Obama rejected and denounced his endorsement.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:19:02 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"WaIIy" wrote in message
. ..
On 07 Oct 2008 18:22:01 GMT, Larry wrote:

Now, do you REALLY think, in your heart, that the Democrat Party is SO
stupid that they would hand the Republican Party a free pass for 4 more
years of banker-induced war and neocon genocide by putting up ANY
candidate that is CLEARLY not qualified? Come on!


"You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about
universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he
has involved young people in a political process that they didn't care
anything about. That's a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will
hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking."

Louis Farrakhan, addressing a large crowd Feb. 24, Nation of Islam
Saviour's Day 2008.


And, Obama rejected and denounced his endorsement.

Ya,, like he "rejected" Wright.

Well, he did reject his own grandmother.


?? He absolutely rejected Wright, who was spouting hate-filled language.

Is this what's important to you? If so, you should vote for McPalin.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:38:25 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:



?? He absolutely rejected Wright, who was spouting hate-filled language.

Is this what's important to you? If so, you should vote for McPalin.

What's important is he is a radical, racist and marxist.


According to right-wing wackos such as yourself. I agree!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:06:53 -0400, WaIIy wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:38:25 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:



?? He absolutely rejected Wright, who was spouting hate-filled language.

Is this what's important to you? If so, you should vote for McPalin.

What's important is he is a radical, racist and marxist.

Okay, even if McaPlin IS a radical racist marxist, I think you shoudl
vote for him.

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On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:19:56 -0400, "Gregory Hall"
wrote:

snip...

This case is just about over..

Oct 21, 2008.. The Federal Elections Commission has filed a motion to
"Dismiss for Lack of Jurisdiction".

There is no question that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a US
citizen.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html