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Tom April 22nd 04 03:39 PM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 
My 4 hp Suzuki isn't worth fixing anymore. I want to buy a new 2-3-4
hp 2 stroke - but CA has banned new 2 strokes - only 4 stroke anymore.
What's available in Oregon or Arizona?



Lew Hodgett April 22nd 04 04:52 PM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 

"Tom" writes:
My 4 hp Suzuki isn't worth fixing anymore. I want to buy a new 2-3-4
hp 2 stroke - but CA has banned new 2 strokes - only 4 stroke anymore.



They have been banned with good reason.

You evidently do care about pollution.


--
Lew

S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett for Pictures



Lew Hodgett April 22nd 04 04:52 PM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 

"Tom" writes:
My 4 hp Suzuki isn't worth fixing anymore. I want to buy a new 2-3-4
hp 2 stroke - but CA has banned new 2 strokes - only 4 stroke anymore.



They have been banned with good reason.

You evidently do care about pollution.


--
Lew

S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett for Pictures



D Wrate April 22nd 04 05:54 PM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 
If you buy one out of state and use it in CA don't you run the risk of being
fined?

David

S/V Cindino
"Tom" wrote in message
...
My 4 hp Suzuki isn't worth fixing anymore. I want to buy a new 2-3-4
hp 2 stroke - but CA has banned new 2 strokes - only 4 stroke anymore.
What's available in Oregon or Arizona?





D Wrate April 22nd 04 05:54 PM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 
If you buy one out of state and use it in CA don't you run the risk of being
fined?

David

S/V Cindino
"Tom" wrote in message
...
My 4 hp Suzuki isn't worth fixing anymore. I want to buy a new 2-3-4
hp 2 stroke - but CA has banned new 2 strokes - only 4 stroke anymore.
What's available in Oregon or Arizona?





Tom April 22nd 04 06:35 PM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 
One 2 hp outboard that I use occasionally in the ocean is pollution??
You building that big boat in Wilmington and releasing all the
solvents from barrels and tons of resin and paint - now that's
pollution.


On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:52:32 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:


"Tom" writes:
My 4 hp Suzuki isn't worth fixing anymore. I want to buy a new 2-3-4
hp 2 stroke - but CA has banned new 2 strokes - only 4 stroke anymore.



They have been banned with good reason.

You evidently do care about pollution.




Tom April 22nd 04 06:35 PM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 
One 2 hp outboard that I use occasionally in the ocean is pollution??
You building that big boat in Wilmington and releasing all the
solvents from barrels and tons of resin and paint - now that's
pollution.


On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:52:32 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:


"Tom" writes:
My 4 hp Suzuki isn't worth fixing anymore. I want to buy a new 2-3-4
hp 2 stroke - but CA has banned new 2 strokes - only 4 stroke anymore.



They have been banned with good reason.

You evidently do care about pollution.




Tom April 22nd 04 06:37 PM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 
That applies only to certain lakes and reserviors - besides I'm taking
it to MX to replace the one on my boat there.


On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:54:03 -0700, "D Wrate" dwrate@interbaundotcom
wrote:

If you buy one out of state and use it in CA don't you run the risk of being
fined?

David

S/V Cindino
"Tom" wrote in message
.. .
My 4 hp Suzuki isn't worth fixing anymore. I want to buy a new 2-3-4
hp 2 stroke - but CA has banned new 2 strokes - only 4 stroke anymore.
What's available in Oregon or Arizona?






Tom April 22nd 04 06:37 PM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 
That applies only to certain lakes and reserviors - besides I'm taking
it to MX to replace the one on my boat there.


On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:54:03 -0700, "D Wrate" dwrate@interbaundotcom
wrote:

If you buy one out of state and use it in CA don't you run the risk of being
fined?

David

S/V Cindino
"Tom" wrote in message
.. .
My 4 hp Suzuki isn't worth fixing anymore. I want to buy a new 2-3-4
hp 2 stroke - but CA has banned new 2 strokes - only 4 stroke anymore.
What's available in Oregon or Arizona?






Lew Hodgett April 22nd 04 07:04 PM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 

"Tom" writes:
One 2 hp outboard that I use occasionally in the ocean is pollution??
You building that big boat in Wilmington and releasing all the
solvents from barrels and tons of resin and paint - now that's
pollution.


Yes, we are building a boat in SoCal.

If you didn't have your head squarely where the moon doesn't shine, you
would know that laminating epoxy contains no VOCs.

SCAQMD made a visit ONCE.

Looked at what was being used and left within 5 minutes.

As far as "It's only little old me" argument, tell it to the judge.


--
Lew

S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett for Pictures



Lew Hodgett April 22nd 04 07:04 PM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 

"Tom" writes:
One 2 hp outboard that I use occasionally in the ocean is pollution??
You building that big boat in Wilmington and releasing all the
solvents from barrels and tons of resin and paint - now that's
pollution.


Yes, we are building a boat in SoCal.

If you didn't have your head squarely where the moon doesn't shine, you
would know that laminating epoxy contains no VOCs.

SCAQMD made a visit ONCE.

Looked at what was being used and left within 5 minutes.

As far as "It's only little old me" argument, tell it to the judge.


--
Lew

S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett for Pictures



Tom April 22nd 04 09:25 PM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 
So what did you clean up with - water? no MEK, no acetone?

So what did you paint it with - more bull****?


On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:04:35 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:


"Tom" writes:
One 2 hp outboard that I use occasionally in the ocean is pollution??
You building that big boat in Wilmington and releasing all the
solvents from barrels and tons of resin and paint - now that's
pollution.


Yes, we are building a boat in SoCal.

If you didn't have your head squarely where the moon doesn't shine, you
would know that laminating epoxy contains no VOCs.

SCAQMD made a visit ONCE.

Looked at what was being used and left within 5 minutes.

As far as "It's only little old me" argument, tell it to the judge.




Tom April 22nd 04 09:25 PM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 
So what did you clean up with - water? no MEK, no acetone?

So what did you paint it with - more bull****?


On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:04:35 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:


"Tom" writes:
One 2 hp outboard that I use occasionally in the ocean is pollution??
You building that big boat in Wilmington and releasing all the
solvents from barrels and tons of resin and paint - now that's
pollution.


Yes, we are building a boat in SoCal.

If you didn't have your head squarely where the moon doesn't shine, you
would know that laminating epoxy contains no VOCs.

SCAQMD made a visit ONCE.

Looked at what was being used and left within 5 minutes.

As far as "It's only little old me" argument, tell it to the judge.




Lew Hodgett April 23rd 04 01:37 AM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 

"Tom" writes:
So what did you clean up with - water? no MEK, no acetone?


Soap & water for personal clean up.

Don't waste time trying to clean tools such as mixing containers, paint
rollers, brushes, etc

Don't even have acetone or MEK in the boat yard.

Once again, you have assumed the position.


--
Lew

S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett for Pictures



Lew Hodgett April 23rd 04 01:37 AM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 

"Tom" writes:
So what did you clean up with - water? no MEK, no acetone?


Soap & water for personal clean up.

Don't waste time trying to clean tools such as mixing containers, paint
rollers, brushes, etc

Don't even have acetone or MEK in the boat yard.

Once again, you have assumed the position.


--
Lew

S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett for Pictures



JB April 23rd 04 03:07 AM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 
(Tom) wrote in :

That applies only to certain lakes and reserviors - besides I'm taking
it to MX to replace the one on my boat there.


On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:54:03 -0700, "D Wrate" dwrate@interbaundotcom
wrote:

If you buy one out of state and use it in CA don't you run the risk of
being fined?

David

S/V Cindino
"Tom" wrote in message
. ..
My 4 hp Suzuki isn't worth fixing anymore. I want to buy a new 2-3-4
hp 2 stroke - but CA has banned new 2 strokes - only 4 stroke
anymore. What's available in Oregon or Arizona?


To get back to your original question...there are still a few 2-strokes you
can purchase (outside of CA of course). Tohatsu (same as Nissan and
Mercury) still makes a 2.5 and 3.5 2-stroke. You can find more info at
their website at
www.tohatsu.com (or www.nissanmarine.com).

Good luck.
JB


JB April 23rd 04 03:07 AM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 
(Tom) wrote in :

That applies only to certain lakes and reserviors - besides I'm taking
it to MX to replace the one on my boat there.


On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:54:03 -0700, "D Wrate" dwrate@interbaundotcom
wrote:

If you buy one out of state and use it in CA don't you run the risk of
being fined?

David

S/V Cindino
"Tom" wrote in message
. ..
My 4 hp Suzuki isn't worth fixing anymore. I want to buy a new 2-3-4
hp 2 stroke - but CA has banned new 2 strokes - only 4 stroke
anymore. What's available in Oregon or Arizona?


To get back to your original question...there are still a few 2-strokes you
can purchase (outside of CA of course). Tohatsu (same as Nissan and
Mercury) still makes a 2.5 and 3.5 2-stroke. You can find more info at
their website at
www.tohatsu.com (or www.nissanmarine.com).

Good luck.
JB


[email protected] April 23rd 04 02:57 PM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 
In article , Tom says...

My 4 hp Suzuki isn't worth fixing anymore. I want to buy a new 2-3-4
hp 2 stroke - but CA has banned new 2 strokes - only 4 stroke anymore.
What's available in Oregon or Arizona?


Tom

Johnson (formerly of OMC, now owned by Bombardier) still makes a 2 stroke 3.5HP
engine. Probably available in the US.

sdg


[email protected] April 23rd 04 02:57 PM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 
In article , Tom says...

My 4 hp Suzuki isn't worth fixing anymore. I want to buy a new 2-3-4
hp 2 stroke - but CA has banned new 2 strokes - only 4 stroke anymore.
What's available in Oregon or Arizona?


Tom

Johnson (formerly of OMC, now owned by Bombardier) still makes a 2 stroke 3.5HP
engine. Probably available in the US.

sdg


Matt Colie April 25th 04 01:25 AM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's availableoutside California
 
Maybe he doesn't know that you can do a better job of cleaning up
special/expensive tools and such with vinegar?

Matt Colie

Lew Hodgett wrote:

"Tom" writes:

So what did you clean up with - water? no MEK, no acetone?



Soap & water for personal clean up.

Don't waste time trying to clean tools such as mixing containers, paint
rollers, brushes, etc

Don't even have acetone or MEK in the boat yard.

Once again, you have assumed the position.




Matt Colie April 25th 04 01:25 AM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's availableoutside California
 
Maybe he doesn't know that you can do a better job of cleaning up
special/expensive tools and such with vinegar?

Matt Colie

Lew Hodgett wrote:

"Tom" writes:

So what did you clean up with - water? no MEK, no acetone?



Soap & water for personal clean up.

Don't waste time trying to clean tools such as mixing containers, paint
rollers, brushes, etc

Don't even have acetone or MEK in the boat yard.

Once again, you have assumed the position.




Lew Hodgett April 25th 04 02:20 AM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 

"Matt Colie" writes:

Maybe he doesn't know that you can do a better job of cleaning up
special/expensive tools and such with vinegar?


Just curious, what do you consider special/expensive tools for working with
epoxy?


--
Lew

S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett for Pictures



Lew Hodgett April 25th 04 02:20 AM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 

"Matt Colie" writes:

Maybe he doesn't know that you can do a better job of cleaning up
special/expensive tools and such with vinegar?


Just curious, what do you consider special/expensive tools for working with
epoxy?


--
Lew

S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett for Pictures



Matt Colie April 25th 04 01:48 PM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's availableoutside California
 
Lew,
There are really only two things that fit the catagory.
That would be rollers and fillet shapers.
As most of my rollers that get wet - the straight kind are used for bag
jobs only - are the radius kind, they are relatively expensive at
8-10$us. I can clean them in a couple of minutes.
The fillet shapers that I use most, I cut to radius from 1/8UHMW sheet
then either radius or thin the edge by hand for the specific
application. The harder edge for structural fillets of highly filled
mix and the more flexible for finish fillets with soft filler. As both
of these take 10-15 miutes to make (finish 4 corners of a 4 or 6 inch
square), and clean almost instantly. I figure it is worth doing -
partiularly as the soft fill is often too flexible to come off the
radius tool easily.
Matt


Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Matt Colie" writes:


Maybe he doesn't know that you can do a better job of cleaning up
special/expensive tools and such with vinegar?



Just curious, what do you consider special/expensive tools for working with
epoxy?




Matt Colie April 25th 04 01:48 PM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's availableoutside California
 
Lew,
There are really only two things that fit the catagory.
That would be rollers and fillet shapers.
As most of my rollers that get wet - the straight kind are used for bag
jobs only - are the radius kind, they are relatively expensive at
8-10$us. I can clean them in a couple of minutes.
The fillet shapers that I use most, I cut to radius from 1/8UHMW sheet
then either radius or thin the edge by hand for the specific
application. The harder edge for structural fillets of highly filled
mix and the more flexible for finish fillets with soft filler. As both
of these take 10-15 miutes to make (finish 4 corners of a 4 or 6 inch
square), and clean almost instantly. I figure it is worth doing -
partiularly as the soft fill is often too flexible to come off the
radius tool easily.
Matt


Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Matt Colie" writes:


Maybe he doesn't know that you can do a better job of cleaning up
special/expensive tools and such with vinegar?



Just curious, what do you consider special/expensive tools for working with
epoxy?




Lew Hodgett April 27th 04 04:05 AM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 

"Matt Colie" writes:

Lew,
There are really only two things that fit the catagory.
That would be rollers and fillet shapers.

snip

Understand.

Personally, have not found a use for rollers, am able to remove excess resin
with just a squeegee which is strictly a throw away item.

Haven't had to be very fussy about fillets yet, paint mixing sticks seem to
get the job done.


--
Lew

S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett for Pictures



Lew Hodgett April 27th 04 04:05 AM

Need a new 2-4 hp outboard - must be 2 stroke - what's available outside California
 

"Matt Colie" writes:

Lew,
There are really only two things that fit the catagory.
That would be rollers and fillet shapers.

snip

Understand.

Personally, have not found a use for rollers, am able to remove excess resin
with just a squeegee which is strictly a throw away item.

Haven't had to be very fussy about fillets yet, paint mixing sticks seem to
get the job done.


--
Lew

S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett for Pictures




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