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After three season of single handed sailing, I was approached by a young guy
as my boat was taken out for winter storage. He loved her, and he bought her. Owning a good size cruising sailboat is lots of work. I started working, repairing, adding, maintaining, my boat in April .. she went in the water in June. And I worked on her each and every day. At this time, I doubt I will purchase another cruising sailboat. I don't have crew. And the cost of owning her is very expensive. Another thought; sailboats don't sell. Years ago, I owned a couple of cruising boats, and when my for sale sign went up, the buyers came and bought. Not anymore. There just does not seem to be much of a market for boats, even sailboats. It is frustrating to offer a boat for sale, and have no one even interested. The "give me your boat for free" crowd shows up. They tell you what a junk your boat is, point out every nic, chip, defect, that might exist .. then tell you about the same boat on ebay for $10 dollars. If they make an offer it is very low, and if one accepts the offer, they run away. They don't want to own a boat, just drive people nuts. In the Northeast, the marinas don't help out the boat owner at all. They just sit back and figure that the new owner will be a big sucker. The problem is; in the boatyard I stored my boat, there are numerous "walk aways". These are pretty nice sailboats, the owners tried to sell them, couldn't, and then the marina fees started adding up. Last spring, the marina had an auction. No luck. No one showed up for the boats. The marinas wanted the back storage money, in many cases well over $3,000 dollars. I fear that the boating market is doomed. The days of the working guy with a nice little cruising sailboat are almost over. Another problem, the towns, state. They have their hands out for mooring permit fees, but they don't provide any service at all. Hundreds of dollars, Portsmouth NH does not even have a municipal dock. The harbor masters are corrupt, the whole system is corrupt. As there are less and less motor boats, due to high fuel costs, and fewer sailboats, the towns have ruined it for themselves. Too late now. I guess I will move on to some other activity. Don't know what yet. |
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Thomas, Spring Point Light wrote:
After three season of single handed sailing, I was approached by a young guy as my boat was taken out for winter storage. He loved her, and he bought her. Owning a good size cruising sailboat is lots of work. I started working, repairing, adding, maintaining, my boat in April .. she went in the water in June. And I worked on her each and every day. Best of luck on your new life ashore. But I suspect you will find there is suddenly a large hole there - with no boat in it... -- Richard (remove the X to email) |
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On 2008-09-21 22:40:41 -0400, "Thomas, Spring Point Light"
said: After three season of single handed sailing, I was approached by a young guy as my boat was taken out for winter storage. He loved her, and he bought her. One of the two happiest days of boat-stewardship. Congrats, but some of us are less interested in the last day than the next sailing adventure. After 16 seasons, our lovely lady owes us nothing. The only thing I would try to do is give her a reasonable next caretaker. But she's still more than capable of supplying our needs for a few years, so it's not a real issue for us. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:40:41 GMT, "Thomas, Spring Point Light"
wrote: After three season of single handed sailing, I was approached by a young guy as my boat was taken out for winter storage. He loved her, and he bought her. and a couple paragraphs later you say: Another thought; sailboats don't sell. Huh? |
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"Thomas, Spring Point Light" wrote
The harbor masters are corrupt, the whole system is corrupt. The one in my town isn't:) I guess I will move on to some other activity. Don't know what yet. Sorry to hear that. You really sounded like you were beginning to get it and have fun that day I went by your mooring and talked to you after your sail down from Boothbay. I bet you'll start dreaming about it about the time the leaves fall. You ought to go look at that Contessa. -- Roger Long |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message ... "Thomas, Spring Point Light" wrote The harbor masters are corrupt, the whole system is corrupt. The one in my town isn't:) I guess I will move on to some other activity. Don't know what yet. Sorry to hear that. You really sounded like you were beginning to get it and have fun that day I went by your mooring and talked to you after your sail down from Boothbay. I bet you'll start dreaming about it about the time the leaves fall. You ought to go look at that Contessa. -- Roger Long ====== Roger, it is not that I don't love sailing/cruising.. I have owned four cruising boats .. It just gets me when I see how corrupt the harbor masters are in NH. I asked the city manager of Portsmouth, NH why Portsmouth, a city which revels in its maritime history, has no municipal dock. He told me to call the state harbor folks, who told me to call the city folks. Well,, where did all the money go? Then I see an article in the paper, the fire department in Portsmouth has a brand new fire boat. For what? It is news stories like these that soured me on boat ownership. |
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"Thomas, Spring Point Light" wrote
It is news stories like these that soured me on boat ownership. Well, if you are going to give up something as great as boating because of corruption and incompetence in municiple waterfront management, you'd better give up life in view of the way the rest of the world operates. You can't get farther from this crap than in a boat. You just have to cruise farther than Boothbay Harbor. Buy one of those modest and easy to handle boats I recommended and go downeast past Schoodic Point. The world will seem as pure and wholesome as a Norman Rockwell painting until you return. -- Roger Long |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message ... "Thomas, Spring Point Light" wrote The harbor masters are corrupt, the whole system is corrupt. The one in my town isn't:) I guess I will move on to some other activity. Don't know what yet. Sorry to hear that. You really sounded like you were beginning to get it and have fun that day I went by your mooring and talked to you after your sail down from Boothbay. I bet you'll start dreaming about it about the time the leaves fall. You ought to go look at that Contessa. -- Roger Long What Contessa? Would appreciate a link or reference. |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:40:41 GMT, "Thomas, Spring Point Light" said: The harbor masters are corrupt What do you mean by that? And what facts support your conclusion? ================================================= In NH, the harbor is controled by the port authority. Moorings are very hard to come by. If a boater actually gets permission to have a mooring, the cost or permit is hundreds of dollars per year. There are a number of harbor masters. Each has a small area of responsibility. I'm not familiar with all of them, but one I have dealt with does absolutely nothing. He works for the port, and that is about it. The word is, politics plays an important role in who gets a mooring. There are some who own moorings that others use. What I mean by corruption is the overall system, the permit money, etc. Where does it go? According to the web page of the port authority .. "The DPH assists in the establishment of accommodations for the boat traveler, the area boat owner, the pleasure fishermen and others who pass up and down the New Hampshire coastline or in its tributaries, particularly the Piscataqua River and Portsmouth Harbor." The fact is, the port authority does absolutely nothing for recreational boating. There is not one public munipal or state dock in NH that is open to recreational sailboats.. period. So,, the question begs an answer... where is all the money going? It isn't going for municipal docks, or even a pump out station. Nothing.. |
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"Jere Lull" wrote in message
news:2008092203224616807-jerelull@maccom... On 2008-09-21 22:40:41 -0400, "Thomas, Spring Point Light" said: After three season of single handed sailing, I was approached by a young guy as my boat was taken out for winter storage. He loved her, and he bought her. One of the two happiest days of boat-stewardship. You know, I never thought that was true. I was truly sad when I sold all of the boats I owned, even those that were less than perfect. I know that was true when the previous owner of my Sabre sold it to me. He hated to see it go. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:07:11 GMT, "Thomas, Spring Point Light"
wrote: The fact is, the port authority does absolutely nothing for recreational boating. There is not one public munipal or state dock in NH that is open to recreational sailboats.. period. Do you know about the Portsmouth municipal docks at Prescott Park? I've docked there a few times and we were not the only sailboat. In fact it is one of my favorite docks because it is cheap and within a short walk of three excellent pubs. What more could you ask of a muni dock? http://www.cityofportsmouth.com/prescottpark/docks.htm http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1786 http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/2538 http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/596 Chuck Cox SynchroSystems - embedded computer design - http://synchro.com my email is politician-proof, just remove the PORK |
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"Thomas, Spring Point Light" wrote in message news:JADBk.416$nl3.110@trnddc05... After three season of single handed sailing, I was approached by a young guy as my boat was taken out for winter storage. He loved her, and he bought her. Owning a good size cruising sailboat is lots of work. I started working, repairing, adding, maintaining, my boat in April .. she went in the water in June. And I worked on her each and every day. At this time, I doubt I will purchase another cruising sailboat. I don't have crew. And the cost of owning her is very expensive. Another thought; sailboats don't sell. Years ago, I owned a couple of cruising boats, and when my for sale sign went up, the buyers came and bought. Not anymore. There just does not seem to be much of a market for boats, even sailboats. It is frustrating to offer a boat for sale, and have no one even interested. The "give me your boat for free" crowd shows up. They tell you what a junk your boat is, point out every nic, chip, defect, that might exist .. then tell you about the same boat on ebay for $10 dollars. If they make an offer it is very low, and if one accepts the offer, they run away. They don't want to own a boat, just drive people nuts. In the Northeast, the marinas don't help out the boat owner at all. They just sit back and figure that the new owner will be a big sucker. The problem is; in the boatyard I stored my boat, there are numerous "walk aways". These are pretty nice sailboats, the owners tried to sell them, couldn't, and then the marina fees started adding up. Last spring, the marina had an auction. No luck. No one showed up for the boats. The marinas wanted the back storage money, in many cases well over $3,000 dollars. I fear that the boating market is doomed. The days of the working guy with a nice little cruising sailboat are almost over. Another problem, the towns, state. They have their hands out for mooring permit fees, but they don't provide any service at all. Hundreds of dollars, Portsmouth NH does not even have a municipal dock. The harbor masters are corrupt, the whole system is corrupt. As there are less and less motor boats, due to high fuel costs, and fewer sailboats, the towns have ruined it for themselves. Too late now. I guess I will move on to some other activity. Don't know what yet. How about a daysailer? One you could keep on a trailer in your driveway and rig/launch/handle by yourself? A bit more work each time you take it out... but you should save 90% of the maintenance costs. (assuming boat is fairly new) I see Hunter has a 17' and a 21' model. |
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"Chuck Cox" wrote in message ... On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:07:11 GMT, "Thomas, Spring Point Light" wrote: The fact is, the port authority does absolutely nothing for recreational boating. There is not one public munipal or state dock in NH that is open to recreational sailboats.. period. Do you know about the Portsmouth municipal docks at Prescott Park? I've docked there a few times and we were not the only sailboat. In fact it is one of my favorite docks because it is cheap and within a short walk of three excellent pubs. What more could you ask of a muni dock? http://www.cityofportsmouth.com/prescottpark/docks.htm http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1786 http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/2538 http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/596 Chuck Cox SynchroSystems - embedded computer design - http://synchro.com my email is politician-proof, just remove the PORK =========================== It is not a munipal dock,, it is owned by the Precott Park Trust.. and the docks are in very poor condition. Last time I went by, end of august, no one boat was there. |
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"Don White" wrote
How about a daysailer? The amount of pleasure one gets from a boat is inversely proportional to its size... |
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"Thomas, Spring Point Light" wrote in message news:JADBk.416$nl3.110@trnddc05... After three season of single handed sailing, I was approached by a young guy as my boat was taken out for winter storage. He loved her, and he bought her. Owning a good size cruising sailboat is lots of work. I started working, repairing, adding, maintaining, my boat in April .. she went in the water in June. And I worked on her each and every day. snip My primary thought is that you set your own trap. Your trap was working on the boat every day. Duh! Hey, everybody, if you are a fixer-upper kind of guy then admit it and just enjoy the fixing up. If, on the other hand, you are a sailing kind of guy then buy a boat that doesn't need but minimal fixing up and then sail her. Save the fixing up for those "rainy days" when you don't want to can't sail her. It's really pretty simple. It's a matter of knowing who you are. . . Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
et... "Don White" wrote How about a daysailer? The amount of pleasure one gets from a boat is inversely proportional to its size... Not necessarily. When I had the sunfish and hobie, they were a blast and a half. The Cal 20 was less fun. My Sabre 30 is a heck of a lot more fun than my Cal, but not as much as the hobie, but I'm much, much older now. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:32:02 -0400, Chuck Cox said: The fact is, the port authority does absolutely nothing for recreational boating. There is not one public munipal or state dock in NH that is open to recreational sailboats.. period. Do you know about the Portsmouth municipal docks at Prescott Park? I've docked there a few times and we were not the only sailboat. In fact it is one of my favorite docks because it is cheap and within a short walk of three excellent pubs. What more could you ask of a muni dock? Don't trouble him with facts. He's clearly not interested in them. ============================================ Dave,, what is your problem? I am very familiar with the Prescott Park docks, and Portsmouth. Last winter I spoke to the harbor authority about these docks and the poor condition they were in.. That conversation was followed up with a contact to the NH governor's office and the city manager of Portsmouth. The governor of NH saw so much wrong with what was going on that the port authority was brought under control of the Pease Developement Authority. You can attack all you want ,, but I have been there,, meeting/speaking asking the tough questions about what and where the money which is supposed to go for recreational boating is being used for. Facts: there is not one state owned recreational boat dock along the NH coast. There are a couple of commercial fishing docks.. the fishing coopertive in Portsmouth NH went out of business, disbanded last winter as the number of fishing boats got very low... the state has taken over the facility. |
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"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message et... "Don White" wrote How about a daysailer? The amount of pleasure one gets from a boat is inversely proportional to its size... |
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"Ernest Scribbler" wrote The amount of pleasure one gets from a boat is inversely proportional to its size... There's some truth to that and I still think the statement in the first line he http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Boats.htm#Canoe but fun and pleasure are only part of the equation. The return on physical and financial investment in "Strider" is a much broader and deeper reward. Her ability to to to remote and rugged places and be a home while traveling are closely connected with that and directly related to size. -- Roger Long |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message ... "Ernest Scribbler" wrote The amount of pleasure one gets from a boat is inversely proportional to its size... There's some truth to that and I still think the statement in the first line he http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Boats.htm#Canoe but fun and pleasure are only part of the equation. The return on physical and financial investment in "Strider" is a much broader and deeper reward. Her ability to to to remote and rugged places and be a home while traveling are closely connected with that and directly related to size. -- Roger Long "The bigger the boat the stupider the driver." This is a very true truism! Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:07:41 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "The bigger the boat the stupider the driver." This is a very true truism! Wilbur Hubbard Wilbur has a 68 foot Swan! That's a lot of stupid! |
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote
What Contessa? Would appreciate a link or reference. It's a reference to a private email. There is a nice looking one in NH but I send it from my office so I don't have it handy. Shouldn't be too hard to turn up with a search of the usual boat listings. -- Roger Long |
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wrote in message
... On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:07:41 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "The bigger the boat the stupider the driver." This is a very true truism! Wilbur Hubbard Wilbur has a 68 foot Swan! That's a lot of stupid! Those with no boat, are by definition therefore, infinitely wise. Come to think of it, they are! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:07:41 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "The bigger the boat the stupider the driver." This is a very true truism! Wilbur Hubbard Wilbur has a 68 foot Swan! That's a lot of stupid! I sold that a couple months ago because I realized how stupid it was. Just a giant money grabbing enterprise. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Thomas, Spring Point Light" wrote in news:JADBk.416
$nl3.110@trnddc05: I guess I will move on to some other activity. Don't know what yet. The SC DNR hasn't said anything about my NOT relicensing my 10' dingy someone at the dock gave me to get rid of it. I played with it a while, but last year the neighbor's kids got much nore use out of it as a swimming pool in my yard than I did. I didn't pay the county's stupid taxes, either. I'm hoping one of them will show up demanding it or the tax money. I wanna see the look on their faces as I shove it across the grass towards their government tax bureaucrat car. I'm calling their bluff. I agree with everything you said, Thomas. I sail with some rich guys who can afford the terrible expenses as crew and technician. But, I'm never going to be rich enough to want one so don't even think about it. Those that do usually end up penniless begging for a job to support it. There's a ham radio operator on a trimaran in Charleston working on construction jobs right now. He wants me to check out his chart plotter/GPS/radios...for free of course...but I've lost interest in going to boats just to work, work, work all the time. There's less and less socialization at the docks any more. It's not the fun it used to be. |
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Dave wrote in news:42jfd41pci5o85gji9pikaehn43qll2rgp@
4ax.com: On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:07:11 GMT, "Thomas, Spring Point Light" said: So,, the question begs an answer.. In other words, you have no facts whatever to back up your claim. Just Larry's conspiracy theories. Then, there are teh confrontational assholes standing on any dock.... We're not in court, your honor. |
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On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:33:10 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:07:41 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "The bigger the boat the stupider the driver." This is a very true truism! Wilbur Hubbard Wilbur has a 68 foot Swan! That's a lot of stupid! I sold that a couple months ago because I realized how stupid it was. Obviously it was too late and the damage was done. |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:00:54 +0000, Larry said: I sail with some rich guys who can afford the terrible expenses as crew and technician. But, I'm never going to be rich enough to want one so don't even think about it. Those that do usually end up penniless begging for a job to support it. Maybe down where you are. Here, they usually end up with a very comfortable retirement and then leave a bundle of money to the kids. =============== Dave ,, I don't know you, don't want to know you, and really could care less about your opinion .. but: You come off as one of the biggest assholes I've ever read here. What the F.. is your problem? Are you some loser sitting at home suffering from envy of anyone who has, or did have, a boat? Do us all a favor, go away. You bring nothing to the table. |
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On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:07:41 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "The bigger the boat the stupider the driver." This is a very true truism! Then a super intelligent individual like your self must have a *very* small boat I'd suppose ? |
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On 2008-09-22 14:43:25 -0400, "Capt. JG" said:
"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message et... "Don White" wrote How about a daysailer? The amount of pleasure one gets from a boat is inversely proportional to its size... Not necessarily. When I had the sunfish and hobie, they were a blast and a half. The Cal 20 was less fun. My Sabre 30 is a heck of a lot more fun than my Cal, but not as much as the hobie, but I'm much, much older now. I agree. I enjoyed the heck out of each boat, but I've used each new boat more. Now, the idea of going back to just daysails on the 21 or Sunday Laser racing doesn't appeal. I do love stealing a Laser and surprising the young bucks for a few hours, though. That old saw should probably end "directly proportional to its use" -- which will decrease if it's too large. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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"Wayne.B" wrote
Then a super intelligent individual like your self must have a *very* small boat I'd suppose ? Neal exchanged the Swan for a Duck some time ago... http://www.namco.co.uk:80/product-im...ide_donald.jpg |
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"Capt. JG" wrote
Not necessarily. No offense intended to y'all big-boat guys, it's just that it sounded to me like Thomas found himself on the wrong side of the enjoyment/LOA curve. |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:54:42 GMT, "Thomas, Spring Point Light" said: What the F.. is your problem? Are you some loser sitting at home suffering from envy of anyone who has, or did have, a boat? ROFLMAO. This from the guy who sold his boat!! No. I didn't sell mine. I enjoy it. Sail it regularly, and I don't run around whining without any basis whatever about supposedly "corrupt" harbor masters just because I don't get enough freebies from local gummint. Dave,, a sunfish is not a cruising sailboat. |
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"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
et... "Capt. JG" wrote Not necessarily. No offense intended to y'all big-boat guys, it's just that it sounded to me like Thomas found himself on the wrong side of the enjoyment/LOA curve. None taken. I don't really consider a 30' sailboat a big boat. It's too bad when one finds oneself on the wrong side of the curve. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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wrote in message ... On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:22:11 GMT, "Thomas, Spring Point Light" wrote: "Dave" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:54:42 GMT, "Thomas, Spring Point Light" said: What the F.. is your problem? Are you some loser sitting at home suffering from envy of anyone who has, or did have, a boat? ROFLMAO. This from the guy who sold his boat!! No. I didn't sell mine. I enjoy it. Sail it regularly, and I don't run around whining without any basis whatever about supposedly "corrupt" harbor masters just because I don't get enough freebies from local gummint. Dave,, a sunfish is not a cruising sailboat. Dave has a good solid cruiser, and cruising is exactly what he does with it. ======== The only cruising Dave does, is looking for dates,, that he pays by the hour. |
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On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:55:28 GMT, "Thomas, Spring Point Light"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:22:11 GMT, "Thomas, Spring Point Light" wrote: "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:54:42 GMT, "Thomas, Spring Point Light" said: What the F.. is your problem? Are you some loser sitting at home suffering from envy of anyone who has, or did have, a boat? ROFLMAO. This from the guy who sold his boat!! No. I didn't sell mine. I enjoy it. Sail it regularly, and I don't run around whining without any basis whatever about supposedly "corrupt" harbor masters just because I don't get enough freebies from local gummint. Dave,, a sunfish is not a cruising sailboat. Dave has a good solid cruiser, and cruising is exactly what he does with it. ======== The only cruising Dave does, is looking for dates,, that he pays by the hour. I've met Dave, and sailed on his boat. It is as I stated. If he had to pay for dates, I think he'd need to start making a whole lot more money. |
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On 23 Sep 2008 19:24:01 -0500, Dave wrote:
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:55:28 GMT, "Thomas, Spring Point Light" said: The only cruising Dave does, is looking for dates,, that he pays by the hour. And you fantasize this because? He's broke and is looking for ways to make soome money. |
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On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:57:44 -0400, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote Not necessarily. No offense intended to y'all big-boat guys, it's just that it sounded to me like Thomas found himself on the wrong side of the enjoyment/LOA curve. I have a 22 foot aluminum runabout. It has plenty of room for two guys to wave fishing rods about, not quite true of my son's 15 footer with the ten horse motor. It is small enough for one person to launch it. Casady |
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