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So, we're currently in Deep River/Old River (up the CT river at any rate) and are going to Orient Bay on Long Island, next. Any recommendations for anchorages, dinghy dock locations, things to do, places to see?? Thanks in advance... L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah) |
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On Aug 31, 6:53*am, "Skip Gundlach" wrote:
Getting Oriented Thanks in advance... Skip Flying Pig Sorry Skip I got to watch the AVP Crocs beach VOLLEY BALL tourney................... Ummmmm May and Walsh :) |
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We're in Sag Harbor off Shelter Island. Very pretty, quaint little
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:53:34 -0400, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote: Getting Oriented So, we're currently in Deep River/Old River (up the CT river at any rate) and are going to Orient Bay on Long Island, next. While you are still in the CT River you *must* stop at Essex, arguably the crown jewell of the entire region. You can get a mooring with launch service for about $30/night, or anchor on the east side of the channel next to Nott Island. Go into town, walk around, find the Olde Griswold Inn on the main street. It's a classic, usually with free entertainment and popcorn in the bar, and a really fine collection of old steamship prints. |
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:53:34 -0400, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote: Getting Oriented So, we're currently in Deep River/Old River (up the CT river at any rate) and are going to Orient Bay on Long Island, next. Any recommendations for anchorages, dinghy dock locations, things to do, places to see?? Thanks in advance... L8R Skip Orient Bay? Where is that? Are you talking about Orient Point? If so, maybe you are thinking of the bay west of Orient Point on the inside? That's just part of Gardiners Bay. Not terribly interesting, but I guess you could anchor there. Personally, I'd go just a little farther to Greenport. They have a city run pier on the west end of town that is relatively inexpensive. Greenport Town Dock (631) 702-4381 From there, you can walk around downtown Greenport, which is pretty nice. Lots of interseting shops and some VERY good restaurants. The best of the lot is called "The Frisky Oyster". Don't be fooled by the goofy name. It's very sophisticated and high end. Like something you would expect in a high rent area of NYC. There are other great restaurants that are less "spendy". The Rhumb Line is pretty good. Across from Greenport is another option - Dering Harbor, on the north end of Shelter Island. I think you can find moorings there owned by Picozzi's Marina for about $35-$40 a night. There may be room to anchor. Personally, I'd rather do Greenport, or, an even better option - The really nice, quiet place to go in that area is the anchorage to port, just inside Coecles (pronounced like "cockles") Harbor on Shelter Island. It's surrounded by a wildlife refuge. Most of the boats there during the day will leave at dusk and it becomess just a very pretty, quiet place to spend a night, and maybe do some gunkholing in the dinghy. Good holding and very protected on all sides. From the anchorage, you can also take the dinghy up around the little point and into the next little bay which leads to a channel that ends in a town owned dock. from there you can walk a pleasant half mile to a very eclectic, eccentric and wonderful restaurant called "Planet Bliss". We never pass up an opportunity to eat there. http://www.planet-bliss.com/ 23 North Ferry Road (Rte. 114), Shelter Island Phone (631) 749-0053/0887 posted and emailed |
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:13:40 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:53:34 -0400, "Skip Gundlach" wrote: Getting Oriented So, we're currently in Deep River/Old River (up the CT river at any rate) and are going to Orient Bay on Long Island, next. While you are still in the CT River you *must* stop at Essex, arguably the crown jewell of the entire region. You can get a mooring with launch service for about $30/night, or anchor on the east side of the channel next to Nott Island. Go into town, walk around, find the Olde Griswold Inn on the main street. It's a classic, usually with free entertainment and popcorn in the bar, and a really fine collection of old steamship prints. Sailors tend to gravitate towards the Black Seal in Essex. The Gris is very nice, too, but a little on the stuffy side and a lot more expensive by comparison. Either place is absolutely worth a visit, regardless. |
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Hi, Salty, yours left below for Lydia...
We're just on the way to NYC, slow boating it, and would love recommendations for places to visit inexpensively. We're anchor-outers, not being able to afford moorings or dockage, and do most of what we see, other than as chauffeured by locals we know one way or another, by foot, or occasionally by bike. So, anything along the way on either side of the sound is cool for us. Thanks for your offer of local knowledge! L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah) -- L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah) wrote in message ... On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:53:34 -0400, "Skip Gundlach" wrote: Getting Oriented So, we're currently in Deep River/Old River (up the CT river at any rate) and are going to Orient Bay on Long Island, next. Any recommendations for anchorages, dinghy dock locations, things to do, places to see?? Thanks in advance... L8R Skip Orient Bay? Where is that? Are you talking about Orient Point? If so, maybe you are thinking of the bay west of Orient Point on the inside? That's just part of Gardiners Bay. Not terribly interesting, but I guess you could anchor there. Personally, I'd go just a little farther to Greenport. They have a city run pier on the west end of town that is relatively inexpensive. Greenport Town Dock (631) 702-4381 From there, you can walk around downtown Greenport, which is pretty nice. Lots of interseting shops and some VERY good restaurants. The best of the lot is called "The Frisky Oyster". Don't be fooled by the goofy name. It's very sophisticated and high end. Like something you would expect in a high rent area of NYC. There are other great restaurants that are less "spendy". The Rhumb Line is pretty good. Across from Greenport is another option - Dering Harbor, on the north end of Shelter Island. I think you can find moorings there owned by Picozzi's Marina for about $35-$40 a night. There may be room to anchor. Personally, I'd rather do Greenport, or, an even better option - The really nice, quiet place to go in that area is the anchorage to port, just inside Coecles (pronounced like "cockles") Harbor on Shelter Island. It's surrounded by a wildlife refuge. Most of the boats there during the day will leave at dusk and it becomess just a very pretty, quiet place to spend a night, and maybe do some gunkholing in the dinghy. Good holding and very protected on all sides. From the anchorage, you can also take the dinghy up around the little point and into the next little bay which leads to a channel that ends in a town owned dock. from there you can walk a pleasant half mile to a very eclectic, eccentric and wonderful restaurant called "Planet Bliss". We never pass up an opportunity to eat there. http://www.planet-bliss.com/ 23 North Ferry Road (Rte. 114), Shelter Island Phone (631) 749-0053/0887 posted and emailed |
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:42:14 -0400, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote: So, anything along the way on either side of the sound is cool for us. Thanks for your offer of local knowledge! Thimble Islands, Norwalk Islands, Stamford Harbor on the CT side; Port Jefferson, Oyster Bay, Manhasset Bay and Little Neck Bay on the NY side. |
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:15:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:31:11 -0400, wrote: Sailors tend to gravitate towards the Black Seal in Essex. The Gris is very nice, too, but a little on the stuffy side and a lot more expensive by comparison. Either place is absolutely worth a visit, regardless. I've been to both places many times. Especially for a first timer I'd recommend the Gris. Maybe I'm just partial to free popcorn, sea chanteys and Irish folk tunes. I also suggested the Black Seal, as a meal there is about what the tip would be at the Gris. Well, slight exaggeration, but it's a sizable difference. Skip and Lydia are on a tight budget, and probably don't go to restaurants much at all. That free popcorn gets paid for! |
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79th st marina ,, a NY City run place, on the Hudson, west side Manhattan.
Cheap and worth it.. YOu can walk to the Empire State Building for coffee. == "Skip Gundlach" wrote in message ... Hi, Salty, yours left below for Lydia... We're just on the way to NYC, slow boating it, and would love recommendations for places to visit inexpensively. We're anchor-outers, not being able to afford moorings or dockage, and do most of what we see, other than as chauffeured by locals we know one way or another, by foot, or occasionally by bike. So, anything along the way on either side of the sound is cool for us. Thanks for your offer of local knowledge! L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah) -- L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah) wrote in message ... On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:53:34 -0400, "Skip Gundlach" wrote: Getting Oriented So, we're currently in Deep River/Old River (up the CT river at any rate) and are going to Orient Bay on Long Island, next. Any recommendations for anchorages, dinghy dock locations, things to do, places to see?? Thanks in advance... L8R Skip Orient Bay? Where is that? Are you talking about Orient Point? If so, maybe you are thinking of the bay west of Orient Point on the inside? That's just part of Gardiners Bay. Not terribly interesting, but I guess you could anchor there. Personally, I'd go just a little farther to Greenport. They have a city run pier on the west end of town that is relatively inexpensive. Greenport Town Dock (631) 702-4381 From there, you can walk around downtown Greenport, which is pretty nice. Lots of interseting shops and some VERY good restaurants. The best of the lot is called "The Frisky Oyster". Don't be fooled by the goofy name. It's very sophisticated and high end. Like something you would expect in a high rent area of NYC. There are other great restaurants that are less "spendy". The Rhumb Line is pretty good. Across from Greenport is another option - Dering Harbor, on the north end of Shelter Island. I think you can find moorings there owned by Picozzi's Marina for about $35-$40 a night. There may be room to anchor. Personally, I'd rather do Greenport, or, an even better option - The really nice, quiet place to go in that area is the anchorage to port, just inside Coecles (pronounced like "cockles") Harbor on Shelter Island. It's surrounded by a wildlife refuge. Most of the boats there during the day will leave at dusk and it becomess just a very pretty, quiet place to spend a night, and maybe do some gunkholing in the dinghy. Good holding and very protected on all sides. From the anchorage, you can also take the dinghy up around the little point and into the next little bay which leads to a channel that ends in a town owned dock. from there you can walk a pleasant half mile to a very eclectic, eccentric and wonderful restaurant called "Planet Bliss". We never pass up an opportunity to eat there. http://www.planet-bliss.com/ 23 North Ferry Road (Rte. 114), Shelter Island Phone (631) 749-0053/0887 posted and emailed |
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On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:21:32 GMT, "Thomas, Spring Point Light"
wrote: 79th st marina ,, a NY City run place, on the Hudson, west side Manhattan. Cheap and worth it.. YOu can walk to the Empire State Building for coffee. Long walk through some tough neighborhoods - the Empire State Building is at 34 Street and 5th Avenue. A better choice would be Zabar's Deli at Broadway and 80th. |
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On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:15:22 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:42:14 -0400, "Skip Gundlach" wrote: So, anything along the way on either side of the sound is cool for us. Thanks for your offer of local knowledge! Thimble Islands, Norwalk Islands, Stamford Harbor on the CT side; Port Jefferson, Oyster Bay. You left out Zeiglers Cove between Norwalk and Darien. Just east of Darien's Pear Tree Point (also known as Long Neck Point) and behind Hay Island. It's a great place to tuck in for the night down that way. After Labor day, you usually have it to yourself. Port Jeff has a good anchorage near the entrance. it's off to port as you enter and is marked "spoils" on the chart, but there is plenty of water and good holding. You'll often see various semi-organized groups of sailboats from yacht clubs there together in the summer. The crowds should be gone now that school is back in session. Go ashore and enjoy the nice, sandy beach. Climb Mt. Misery (Low and easy) and see the panorama. The anchorage at the head of Mattituck Inlet between Orient Point and Port Jefferson, is another natural wonder. Lots of places to explore by dinghy, and the town has a dinghy dock at the anchorage. They even have FREE hot showers! A very short walk gets you to the very quaint "Love Lane", which is a nice place to stroll around. Getting in safely requires some specific knowledge, but it's still very access able for boats that draw 6 feet. I could write out some guidance if Skip is interested. There is also a decent anchorage in Branford Harbor behind Big Mermaid. Very good holding. Use Big Mermaid in your calculations to act as a breakwater in rough weather. I sometimes anchor out there just to get away from the dock the night before a cruise to get the breeze and escape bugs. Fuel and all services are available in the river. Free pumpout boat - hail Branford Pumpout Boat on channel 9 Once you get down in the Oyster Bay area, I think the nicest anchorage is down in Cold Spring Harbor, which branches off from Oyster Bay. Once you reach Little Neck Bay, you can still have a very nice time, but it's decidedly urban, and time to start locking things, including the dinghy when you go ashore. You won't get mugged, but petty thefts are a problem, and dinghy's get "borrowed" by juvenile delinquents frequently if left unattended and unlocked. You are in the big city at that point. |
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On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:20:32 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:57:13 -0400, wrote: You left out Zeiglers Cove between Norwalk and Darien. Just east of Darien's Pear Tree Point (also known as Long Neck Point) and behind Hay Island. It's a great place to tuck in for the night down that way. After Labor day, you usually have it to yourself. Yes, it is tiny though, and not exactly undiscovered. That's why I mentioned "after Labor Day". Bill Ziegler III passed away recently after a life time of serious sail boat racing. His daughter Heidi is married to well known sailmaker and racing helmsman, Steve Benjamin. Port Jeff has a good anchorage near the entrance. it's off to port as you enter and is marked "spoils" on the chart, but there is plenty of water and good holding. You'll often see various semi-organized groups of sailboats from yacht clubs there together in the summer. The crowds should be gone now that school is back in session. Go ashore and enjoy the nice, sandy beach. Climb Mt. Misery (Low and easy) and see the panorama. We usually prefer off to starboard behind the beach, more room and much quieter. It would depend on how much Skip's boat draws. That side is not so popular with the sailboat crowd. Many underwater mounds that are not as much of a problem for power boats. |
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On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:51:31 -0400, wrote:
It would depend on how much Skip's boat draws. That side is not so popular with the sailboat crowd. Many underwater mounds that are not as much of a problem for power boats. Skip draws 6 1/2 ft, we draw 5 1/2, never had a problem. The channel is now well marked as of the last year or so. |
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On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:27:04 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:51:31 -0400, wrote: It would depend on how much Skip's boat draws. That side is not so popular with the sailboat crowd. Many underwater mounds that are not as much of a problem for power boats. Skip draws 6 1/2 ft, we draw 5 1/2, never had a problem. The channel is now well marked as of the last year or so. In that case, maybe next season I'll give it a try. Didn't make it to PJ once this year. |
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On 2 Sep 2008 10:08:01 -0500, Dave wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:53:34 -0400, "Skip Gundlach" said: So, we're currently in Deep River/Old River (up the CT river at any rate) and are going to Orient Bay on Long Island, next. You'll probably get this too late, but one of more beautiful and peaceful places in the area is North Cove in Old Saybrook, where I keep my boat. Town moorings are free, and you can dinghy to the town dock, but if you want launch service, showers, etc., the yacht club charges $30 for those services and access to the club. I don't recall what you draw, but if it's over 5 feet, you will have to be a couple of hours either side of low tide to moor in the cove. I was going to mention North Cove, but Skip's boat draws 6.5 feet. Probably more than that loaded for cruising. It's a beautiful spot, all right - and extremely sheltered. I wasn't aware that the town had free moorings for transients. Is it "just grab one"? or do you need to call somebody first? How are they marked? |
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Dredging harms the Sound:
http://www.dec.ny.gov/environmentdec/19094.html It should be even more restricted. "Dave" wrote in message ... On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:41:48 -0400, said: I was going to mention North Cove, but Skip's boat draws 6.5 feet. Probably more than that loaded for cruising. It's a beautiful spot, all right - and extremely sheltered. I wasn't aware that the town had free moorings for transients. Is it "just grab one"? or do you need to call somebody first? How are they marked? When the mooring holder leaves for more than a few days, he is supposed to put a yellow ribbon on his mooring. You can pick up any mooring with a yellow ribbon. If you don't see one, the North Cove YC launch driver monitors 78A, and will more than likely direct you to an empty mooring even if you don't avail yourself of the club's services. If I were coming as a visitor, I'd take the launch service and shower facilities for $30. If you're coming back after the launch stops at 8:00 you can always tow your dinghy in behind the launch. But YMMV. I agree that 6.5 feet would be problematic. I think we may have one boat in the cove that draws that. I draw 5.5, and sometimes have difficulty getting to my mooring if I'm within 2 hours of low tide. Next year that should change. There were three bids on the proposed dredging of the cove, and we should know in about a week. Word is that we may not get it dredged to the full 11 ft. originally planned, but should get at least a partial dredging. I look forward to it. |
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On 2 Sep 2008 10:19:01 -0500, Dave wrote:
On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:09:54 -0400, Wayne.B said: Long walk through some tough neighborhoods - the Empire State Building is at 34 Street and 5th Avenue. You're a bit behind the times. May have been the case 25 years ago. Today I can't think of much I'd call "rough" between the 79th St. boat basin and 34th St. But from 79th to 34th I'd spring for the bus or subway. I guess it depends somewhat on what route you take. I've never been keen on walking through the Hell's Kitchen area even though I have done it a few times. It's been a while for me, perhaps Rudy cleaned things up a bit. |
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On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:29:04 -0600, "Mike"
wrote: Dredging harms the Sound: http://www.dec.ny.gov/environmentdec/19094.html It should be even more restricted. First you would have to have some idea what you are talking about, which you obviously do not. Yes, it's true. You can't just indiscriminately run around dredging and dumping haphazardly. You need to know what you are digging up, and where it can be put down without causing trouble. Norwalk Harbor is a good example. It's the Norwalk River, which for a couple hundred years was the repository for a lot of very dirty factory's excrement. These days, not all dredged material is allowed to be dumped ANYWHERE in the water. It has to be trucked inland away from the watershed and handled appropriately. North Cove is not likely to contain anything harmful. I'm sure they will check, anyway. It's a small isolated harbor with pretty much nothing immediately surrounding it other than a few homes and a seasonal yacht club. The Connecticut runs past it, carrying tons of filth directly into the Sound 24/7/365. You could probably use what they dredge out of North Cove for fill in your vegetable garden. In the overall scheme of things, all dredging combined isn't even a blip on the RADAR compared with what gets dumped in the LIS daily by hundreds of communities, as they have been doing since bar bands consisted only of fifes and snare drums. |
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On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:29:42 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote: On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:57:13 -0400, wrote: Climb Mt. Misery (Low and easy) and see the panorama. Is Mt Misery related to Heartbreak Ridge? I mean, did soldiers name it that after bleeding a lot there? Casady I don't know. I wasn't there when they named it. |
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http://www.worldmaritimenews.com/art...ing+north+cove
Seems the tax payers are footing the bill for a few wealthy boat owners. Probably about $500,000+ per owner. Plus they're dumping the sludge back into the Sound only 4.5 miles away. Why don't those who directly benefit from this bear the full cost? |
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"Mike" wrote in message ... http://www.worldmaritimenews.com/art...ing+north+cove Seems the tax payers are footing the bill for a few wealthy boat owners. Probably about $500,000+ per owner. Plus they're dumping the sludge back into the Sound only 4.5 miles away. Why don't those who directly benefit from this bear the full cost? This is indeed troubling... dredging the bottom of the Long Island Sound and pouring it back into the water just so a few rich yachties can park even larger yachts all at taxpayer expense? Smells fishy to me. Sounds like a call to eco-action! Be heard and spread the word! |
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It's hilarious:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...g.html?ca t=5 Quote: The passage of a Fiscal Year 2008 Omnibus Appropriations Bill totaling almost $51 million includes many earmarks benefiting Courtney's district, which includes most of Eastern Connecticut. "Eastern Connecticut is home to many exciting technological initiatives and to some very dire infrastructure needs, which I am proud to be able to address in this appropriations bill," said Courtney. "The new Democratic-led majority has kept its promise to restore fiscal responsibility in Washington while continuing to support our local priorities with new federal funding." Some of the funds have been earmarked for much needed dredging of various waterways in the region. Among those receiving funding, Old Saybrook's North Cove is expected to receive $4,433,000 to be used for testing, planning, and permitting of dredge work of Old Saybrook's North Cove. Courtney's office reported that the cove was last dredged in 1965 and funds will allow the harbor to be restored to its authorized depths by dredging and properly disposing of those materials. "very dire infrastructure needs" "Democratic led majority" "restore fiscal responsibility" "new federal funding" "earmarks" Are failing bridges a more "dire infrastructure need" than a slightly shallow yacht basin? Funding playgrounds for the wealthy to "restore fiscal responsibility"? "Earmarks"? It's political payback for wealthy donors. $51 million would have provided basic health care for many poor people in need or job training for those unemployed but it's not a priority. The company doing the dredging will be owned by Democrats and have union labor. This is of no benefit to the average American or the common good. |
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On 4 Sep 2008 12:36:02 -0500, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:49:39 -0600, "Mike" said: This is of no benefit to the average American or the common good. Yeah. Tough ****, isn't it. Fortunately, you and your friends were asleep at the switch when hearings were held on the project. G |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:49:39 -0600, "Mike" said: This is of no benefit to the average American or the common good. Yeah. Tough ****, isn't it. Fortunately, you and your friends were asleep at the switch when hearings were held on the project. Tough **** for who? I don't have to moor my boat almost 100 miles from where I live. |
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On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:40:38 -0600, "Mike"
wrote: "Dave" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:49:39 -0600, "Mike" said: This is of no benefit to the average American or the common good. Yeah. Tough ****, isn't it. Fortunately, you and your friends were asleep at the switch when hearings were held on the project. Tough **** for who? I don't have to moor my boat almost 100 miles from where I live. Dave could easily have his boat much closer to where he lives. Instead, he realizes the value in keeping it in an amazingly beautiful and protected anchorage directly adjacent to some of the best sailing grounds on the entire east coast. He also has strong ties to the area because he used to live there. If it wasn't so shallow, I probably would have put myself on the waiting list there many years ago. And if you are going to calculate the "price per yacht" for the dredging, be fair and divided by the number of yachts times the number of years (50) between dredgings. And yes, those wealthy *******s DO spend a lot of money in the area, and create jobs, making it worth dredging every 50 years or so, whether it needs it or not. It is also a designated Federal Harbor of refuge. |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:40:38 -0600, "Mike" wrote: "Dave" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:49:39 -0600, "Mike" said: This is of no benefit to the average American or the common good. Yeah. Tough ****, isn't it. Fortunately, you and your friends were asleep at the switch when hearings were held on the project. Tough **** for who? I don't have to moor my boat almost 100 miles from where I live. Dave could easily have his boat much closer to where he lives. Instead, he realizes the value in keeping it in an amazingly beautiful and protected anchorage directly adjacent to some of the best sailing grounds on the entire east coast. He also has strong ties to the area because he used to live there. If it wasn't so shallow, I probably would have put myself on the waiting list there many years ago. That's all very nice but still doesn't change the fact it is 100 miles away. And if you are going to calculate the "price per yacht" for the dredging, be fair and divided by the number of yachts times the number of years (50) between dredgings. And yes, those wealthy *******s DO spend a lot of money in the area, and create jobs, making it worth dredging every 50 years or so, whether it needs it or not. It is also a designated Federal Harbor of refuge. So tax breaks and perks from the Federal Government to the "rich" are ok with you? |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:19:17 -0400, said: Dave could easily have his boat much closer to where he lives. Instead, he realizes the value in keeping it in an amazingly beautiful and protected anchorage directly adjacent to some of the best sailing grounds on the entire east coast. Yes. And with the Shoreline East now running on weekends, getting there doesn't even require fighting traffic. Just jump on the train at Grand Central and get off a couple of yours later in Old Saybrook. That's 6-8 hours of commuting time both ways. Great way to spend a day. Are you a train buff? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD_v6KyMPe0 |
Getting Oriented
On 6 Sep 2008 13:01:02 -0500, Dave wrote:
On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:19:17 -0400, said: And if you are going to calculate the "price per yacht" for the dredging, be fair and divided by the number of yachts times the number of years (50) between dredgings. And yes, those wealthy *******s DO spend a lot of money in the area, and create jobs, making it worth dredging every 50 years or so, whether it needs it or not. It is also a designated Federal Harbor of refuge. I was tempted to get into the merits of the project, but it was clear to me the Mike is simply your typical empty-headed rabble-rouser, making the exercise useless. I'm sure he means well. He just stopped when he got enough facts to support one side of the story. If he had kept going until he had ALL the facts, he might have reached a different conclusion. He would have at least understood that as something that harms the LIS, this particular dredging project doesn't even make the list. As you know, I'm a staunch environmentalist. I never even water my lawn. Every year, I take out another section of it and plant either things to eat, or ground cover that holds in moisture and doesn't require any fertilizers or other maintenance. Lawns and agriculture are a BIG factor in damage to the LIS. The runoff from miles away ends up in the LIS. I'm on top of a very high hill not far from the Connecticut River. That river flows right into the Sound. Fortunately, after years of procrastination, my town and a few others have completed sewer separation projects so that not as much filth makes it's way down the river, especially when it rains and the old system couldn't handle the overflow. |
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