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Hi

I have made a boat winches KNOL - and would like suggestions on how to
improve it.

http://knol.google.com/k/mads-gorm-l...pvu60g9z3k1/2#

I would like more links to articles about how to choose the right
winch - sort some best for the money, best winch, and right size for
the purpose articles.

Hope you have some suggestions.

Cah

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In article , CAH wrote:
Hi

I have made a boat winches KNOL - and would like suggestions on how to
improve it.

Write on a subject of which you have some knowledge.

Justin.

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On 2008-08-08 15:29:32 -0400, Justin C said:

In article
,
CAH wrote:

I have made a boat winches KNOL - and would like suggestions on how to
improve it.

Write on a subject of which you have some knowledge.

That's a bit harsher than I'd say it.

Add a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winch

and possibly some commercial stuff:

Sailboat Winches
or
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/westadvisor/10001/-1/10001/SailboatWinches.htm

or

Harken or other winch manufacturers.

Might be something in SailNet.com or cruisenews.net

You'll do a better service if you don't reinvent the wheel.

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Might be something in SailNet.com or cruisenews.net

You'll do a better service if you don't reinvent the wheel.


Hi

I have implemented your suggestions - thanks for the help.

Cah

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On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 00:46:16 -0700 (PDT), in message

CAH wrote:

Hi

I have made a boat winches KNOL - and would like suggestions on how to
improve it.

http://knol.google.com/k/mads-gorm-l...pvu60g9z3k1/2#

I would like more links to articles about how to choose the right
winch - sort some best for the money, best winch, and right size for
the purpose articles.

Hope you have some suggestions.

It is possible to configure most large winches to work either
clockwise or counter-clockwise.

Ryk

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On 13 Aug., 21:58, Ryk wrote:
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 00:46:16 -0700 (PDT), in message


CAH wrote:
Hi

I have made a boat winches KNOL - and would like suggestions on how to
improve it.

http://knol.google.com/k/mads-gorm-l...pvu60g9z3k1/2#

I would like more links to articles about how to choose the right
winch - sort some best for the money, best winch, and right size for
the purpose articles.

Hope you have some suggestions.

It is possible to configure most large winches to work either
clockwise or counter-clockwise.

Ryk

Is that a one time deal - or can you do this during saling ?

Best
Cah

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On 13 Aug., 21:58, Ryk wrote:
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 00:46:16 -0700 (PDT), in message


CAH wrote:
Hi

I have made a boat winches KNOL - and would like suggestions on how to
improve it.

http://knol.google.com/k/mads-gorm-l...pvu60g9z3k1/2#

I would like more links to articles about how to choose the right
winch - sort some best for the money, best winch, and right size for
the purpose articles.

Hope you have some suggestions.

It is possible to configure most large winches to work either
clockwise or counter-clockwise.

Ryk

I have implemented your suggestion, and made the article open for
others to change.

Best
Cah

Boat winches KNOL
 

It is possible to configure most large winches to work either
clockwise or counter-clockwise.

Ryk

I forgot to thank your for the suggestion Ryk, hope you will take part
in making the kois better.

Cah

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:25:11 -0700 (PDT), in message

CAH wrote:

On 13 Aug., 21:58, Ryk wrote:

It is possible to configure most large winches to work either
clockwise or counter-clockwise.

Ryk

Is that a one time deal - or can you do this during saling ?

It involves disassembling the winch and reversing pawls. I would avoid
doing it underway.

Ryk

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"Ryk" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 00:46:16 -0700 (PDT), in message

CAH wrote:

Hi

I have made a boat winches KNOL - and would like suggestions on how to
improve it.

http://knol.google.com/k/mads-gorm-l...pvu60g9z3k1/2#

I would like more links to articles about how to choose the right
winch - sort some best for the money, best winch, and right size for
the purpose articles.

Hope you have some suggestions.

It is possible to configure most large winches to work either
clockwise or counter-clockwise.

Ryk



Why would you want to do this?


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On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:41:37 -0700, in message
lutions
"Capt. JG" wrote:

"Ryk" wrote in message

It is possible to configure most large winches to work either
clockwise or counter-clockwise.

Why would you want to do this?

I can imagine some special situations where the line feed or
handedness issues might show up. Then again it might just be bad
design that allows the pawls to be inserted in either direction...

Ryk

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"Ryk" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:41:37 -0700, in message
lutions
"Capt. JG" wrote:

"Ryk" wrote in message

It is possible to configure most large winches to work either
clockwise or counter-clockwise.

Why would you want to do this?

I can imagine some special situations where the line feed or
handedness issues might show up. Then again it might just be bad
design that allows the pawls to be inserted in either direction...

Ryk



It would also confuse the hell out just about everyone. LOL

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:16:26 -0400, Ryk
wrote:

Then again it might just be bad
design that allows the pawls to be inserted in either direction...

Why is that bad design? What is the downside to offering the option.
What I think are cool are the two speed winches.

Casady

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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:16:26 -0400, Ryk
wrote:

Then again it might just be bad
design that allows the pawls to be inserted in either direction...

Why is that bad design? What is the downside to offering the option.
What I think are cool are the two speed winches.

Casady


I guess there would be a very limited number of times one would want a winch
that goes in the wrong direction. Perhaps, ask Ryk said, if there was an
issue with lines, but how often would that come up realistically?

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:52:04 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:16:26 -0400, Ryk
wrote:

Then again it might just be bad
design that allows the pawls to be inserted in either direction...

Why is that bad design? What is the downside to offering the option.
What I think are cool are the two speed winches.

That reminds me. There was a web journal called "Bumfuzzle" where a
young couple bought a 35' cat in Lauderdale and took off around the
world. They had one class in sailing.
Successful circumnavigation, and an entertaining journal.
Anyway, they were halfway across the Pacific before the Skipper found
out he had 2 speeds on his most often used winch.
No wonder it was so hard to crank.
He was mocked by the armchair guys when he wrote about it, but just
got a kick out of that since he was sailing around the world and they
were ......in their armchairs.
I got the impression 2-speed winches are common.
What little winching I've done was with a 1-speed.

--Vic

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:52:04 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:16:26 -0400, Ryk
wrote:

Then again it might just be bad
design that allows the pawls to be inserted in either direction...

Why is that bad design? What is the downside to offering the option.
What I think are cool are the two speed winches.

That reminds me. There was a web journal called "Bumfuzzle" where a
young couple bought a 35' cat in Lauderdale and took off around the
world. They had one class in sailing.
Successful circumnavigation, and an entertaining journal.
Anyway, they were halfway across the Pacific before the Skipper found
out he had 2 speeds on his most often used winch.
No wonder it was so hard to crank.
He was mocked by the armchair guys when he wrote about it, but just
got a kick out of that since he was sailing around the world and they
were ......in their armchairs.
I got the impression 2-speed winches are common.
What little winching I've done was with a 1-speed.

--Vic


I have two of them, both self-tailers on my Sabre. They're great. Makes life
much easier.

I also have two, good-size, one-speed winches on port/starboard on the mast
(main and jib halyards), and one small one-speed for my mainsheet.

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:10:59 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

That reminds me. There was a web journal called "Bumfuzzle" where a
young couple bought a 35' cat in Lauderdale and took off around the
world. They had one class in sailing.
Successful circumnavigation, and an entertaining journal.
Anyway, they were halfway across the Pacific before the Skipper found
out he had 2 speeds on his most often used winch.
No wonder it was so hard to crank.
He was mocked by the armchair guys when he wrote about it, but just
got a kick out of that since he was sailing around the world and they
were ......in their armchairs.
I got the impression 2-speed winches are common.
What little winching I've done was with a 1-speed.

There used to be something called a Fol-boat, that folded up into a
package the size of a large suitcase. One guy crossed the Atlantic,
from England to Panama in one. A buck eighty six to go through the
Canal. They used to charge strictly by the ton, no minimum.

Casady

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:56:25 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

There used to be something called a Fol-boat, that folded up into a
package the size of a large suitcase. One guy crossed the Atlantic,
from England to Panama in one. A buck eighty six to go through the
Canal. They used to charge strictly by the ton, no minimum.

I remember the Fol-boats. Advertised in all the "outdoor" mags.
The Alaskan Camper is another unusual/different approach to
something that interested me.
It was a pickup bed camper that had hydraulics to jack it up when
parked, giving more headroom. I resisted buying both.

--Vic

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:01:03 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I guess there would be a very limited number of times one would want a winch
that goes in the wrong direction. Perhaps, ask Ryk said, if there was an
issue with lines, but how often would that come up realistically?

Why does it make a difference which way you turn the handle? What
makes one way wrong and the other right? I don't buy it.

Casady

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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:01:03 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I guess there would be a very limited number of times one would want a
winch
that goes in the wrong direction. Perhaps, ask Ryk said, if there was an
issue with lines, but how often would that come up realistically?

Why does it make a difference which way you turn the handle? What
makes one way wrong and the other right? I don't buy it.

Casady


Nothing, except what 99.999% of all sailors are used to doing.

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Capt. JG wrote:
"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:01:03 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:


I guess there would be a very limited number of times one would want a
winch
that goes in the wrong direction. Perhaps, ask Ryk said, if there was an
issue with lines, but how often would that come up realistically?

Why does it make a difference which way you turn the handle? What
makes one way wrong and the other right? I don't buy it.

Casady



Nothing, except what 99.999% of all sailors are used to doing.



On our two-speed wenches it matters quite a lot!

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(remove the X to email)

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:34:13 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:01:03 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I guess there would be a very limited number of times one would want a
winch
that goes in the wrong direction. Perhaps, ask Ryk said, if there was an
issue with lines, but how often would that come up realistically?

Why does it make a difference which way you turn the handle? What
makes one way wrong and the other right? I don't buy it.

Casady


Nothing, except what 99.999% of all sailors are used to doing.

I have a shower in which one valve turns one way and the other the
other. Seems pretty dumb.

Casady

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:48:38 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:34:13 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:01:03 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I guess there would be a very limited number of times one would want a
winch
that goes in the wrong direction. Perhaps, ask Ryk said, if there was an
issue with lines, but how often would that come up realistically?

Why does it make a difference which way you turn the handle? What
makes one way wrong and the other right? I don't buy it.

Casady


Nothing, except what 99.999% of all sailors are used to doing.

I have a shower in which one valve turns one way and the other the
other. Seems pretty dumb.

You want things to tighten clockwise and loosen counterclockwise.
No sense getting "artistic" about these things.
I've seen faucet setups as you describe. Dumb.
Remember those old cars - Chrycos I think - that had left hand threads
on the lugs of some of the wheels? PITA when you first tried to get a
wheel off the "natural" way.

--Vic.

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"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
m...
Capt. JG wrote:
"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:01:03 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:


I guess there would be a very limited number of times one would want a
winch
that goes in the wrong direction. Perhaps, ask Ryk said, if there was an
issue with lines, but how often would that come up realistically?

Why does it make a difference which way you turn the handle? What
makes one way wrong and the other right? I don't buy it.

Casady



Nothing, except what 99.999% of all sailors are used to doing.



On our two-speed wenches it matters quite a lot!

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(remove the X to email)


I only use one speed wenches now that I'm married. LOL


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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:34:13 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:01:03 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I guess there would be a very limited number of times one would want a
winch
that goes in the wrong direction. Perhaps, ask Ryk said, if there was an
issue with lines, but how often would that come up realistically?

Why does it make a difference which way you turn the handle? What
makes one way wrong and the other right? I don't buy it.

Casady


Nothing, except what 99.999% of all sailors are used to doing.

I have a shower in which one valve turns one way and the other the
other. Seems pretty dumb.

Casady


Me too! I get really confused sometimes, but it might be Alzheimer's. :)


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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:48:38 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:34:13 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:01:03 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I guess there would be a very limited number of times one would want a
winch
that goes in the wrong direction. Perhaps, ask Ryk said, if there was
an
issue with lines, but how often would that come up realistically?

Why does it make a difference which way you turn the handle? What
makes one way wrong and the other right? I don't buy it.

Casady


Nothing, except what 99.999% of all sailors are used to doing.

I have a shower in which one valve turns one way and the other the
other. Seems pretty dumb.

You want things to tighten clockwise and loosen counterclockwise.
No sense getting "artistic" about these things.
I've seen faucet setups as you describe. Dumb.
Remember those old cars - Chrycos I think - that had left hand threads
on the lugs of some of the wheels? PITA when you first tried to get a
wheel off the "natural" way.

--Vic.

Righty tighty, lefty loosey. The golden rule (one of them).

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It is possible to configure most large winches to work either
clockwise or counter-clockwise.

Ryk

Why would you want to do this?

America's Cup boats have right and left handed jib winches so the lead
is perfect to the fairlead. My boat has jib winches of the same
handedness and there's chafe on the port side coaming when trimming
smaller jibsfixed by a second fairlead car aft.

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"Mark" wrote in message
...
It is possible to configure most large winches to work either
clockwise or counter-clockwise.

Ryk

Why would you want to do this?

America's Cup boats have right and left handed jib winches so the lead
is perfect to the fairlead. My boat has jib winches of the same
handedness and there's chafe on the port side coaming when trimming
smaller jibsfixed by a second fairlead car aft.


Right. No doubt, but 99.999% of boats would not do this. AC boats are highly
specialized, and there are probably better solutions to chafe than confusing
other sailors with winches that are non-standard.

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In article lutions,
lid says...
"Mark" wrote in message
...
It is possible to configure most large winches to work either
clockwise or counter-clockwise.

Ryk

Why would you want to do this?

America's Cup boats have right and left handed jib winches so the lead
is perfect to the fairlead. My boat has jib winches of the same
handedness and there's chafe on the port side coaming when trimming
smaller jibsfixed by a second fairlead car aft.


Right. No doubt, but 99.999% of boats would not do this. AC boats are highly
specialized, and there are probably better solutions to chafe than confusing
other sailors with winches that are non-standard.


Given that many winches allow the pawls to be put in for either right or
left hand rotation what is the "standard"?

My own preference is the the lines to wind on the sheet winch drums from
outboard, keeps them from rubbing on the cockpit combings. Mast winches
are standardized to wind on from forward.


--
Cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:49:01 -0700 (PDT), Mark
wrote:

America's Cup boats have right and left handed jib winches so the lead
is perfect to the fairlead. My boat has jib winches of the same
handedness and there's chafe on the port side coaming when trimming
smaller jibsfixed by a second fairlead car aft.

I don't think so. I've sailed on several America's Cup boats, 6 to be
precise, and they all had conventional clockwise turning winches, both
port and starboard. It would confuse the heck out of the trimmers
otherwise, trying to remember which way to wrap the jib sheet.

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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
...
In article lutions,
lid says...
"Mark" wrote in message
...
It is possible to configure most large winches to work either
clockwise or counter-clockwise.

Ryk

Why would you want to do this?

America's Cup boats have right and left handed jib winches so the lead
is perfect to the fairlead. My boat has jib winches of the same
handedness and there's chafe on the port side coaming when trimming
smaller jibsfixed by a second fairlead car aft.


Right. No doubt, but 99.999% of boats would not do this. AC boats are
highly
specialized, and there are probably better solutions to chafe than
confusing
other sailors with winches that are non-standard.


Given that many winches allow the pawls to be put in for either right or
left hand rotation what is the "standard"?

My own preference is the the lines to wind on the sheet winch drums from
outboard, keeps them from rubbing on the cockpit combings. Mast winches
are standardized to wind on from forward.


--
Cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok


When you're on the highway, do you drive backward? LOL

I sure hope to hell you tell people who climb on your boat for a sail.

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In article lutions,
lid says...
"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
...
In article lutions,
lid says...
"Mark" wrote in message
...
It is possible to configure most large winches to work either
clockwise or counter-clockwise.

Ryk

Why would you want to do this?

America's Cup boats have right and left handed jib winches so the lead
is perfect to the fairlead. My boat has jib winches of the same
handedness and there's chafe on the port side coaming when trimming
smaller jibsfixed by a second fairlead car aft.


Right. No doubt, but 99.999% of boats would not do this. AC boats are
highly
specialized, and there are probably better solutions to chafe than
confusing
other sailors with winches that are non-standard.


Given that many winches allow the pawls to be put in for either right or
left hand rotation what is the "standard"?

My own preference is the the lines to wind on the sheet winch drums from
outboard, keeps them from rubbing on the cockpit combings. Mast winches
are standardized to wind on from forward.


--
Cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok


When you're on the highway, do you drive backward? LOL

I sure hope to hell you tell people who climb on your boat for a sail.


I seldom invite people on board and if I do tell them to keep their
hands off things.

--
Cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok

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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
...
In article lutions,
lid says...
"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
...
In article lutions,
lid says...
"Mark" wrote in message
...
It is possible to configure most large winches to work either
clockwise or counter-clockwise.

Ryk

Why would you want to do this?

America's Cup boats have right and left handed jib winches so the
lead
is perfect to the fairlead. My boat has jib winches of the same
handedness and there's chafe on the port side coaming when trimming
smaller jibsfixed by a second fairlead car aft.


Right. No doubt, but 99.999% of boats would not do this. AC boats are
highly
specialized, and there are probably better solutions to chafe than
confusing
other sailors with winches that are non-standard.


Given that many winches allow the pawls to be put in for either right
or
left hand rotation what is the "standard"?

My own preference is the the lines to wind on the sheet winch drums
from
outboard, keeps them from rubbing on the cockpit combings. Mast winches
are standardized to wind on from forward.


--
Cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok


When you're on the highway, do you drive backward? LOL

I sure hope to hell you tell people who climb on your boat for a sail.


I seldom invite people on board and if I do tell them to keep their
hands off things.

--
Cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok


Thus, my comment that it's non-standard.


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On 2008-08-23 03:21:35 -0400, Bruce in Bangkok said:

Given that many winches allow the pawls to be put in for either right or
left hand rotation what is the "standard"?

The line always goes around the winch clockwise. Move the turning block
if you can't clear the coaming doing that. You really don't want one
out of all the winches requiring backwards winding.

On a single-speed, crank clockwise to tighten.

Been too long since I had a multi-speed winch, so I can't comment on
that, but I would expect high-speed clockwise, then alternating
directions for second and third gear.

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On Aug 23, 5:08*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:49:01 -0700 (PDT), Mark
wrote:

America's Cup boats have right and left handed jib winches so the lead
is perfect to the fairlead. *My boat has jib winches of the same
handedness and there's chafe on the port side coaming when trimming
smaller jibsfixed by a second fairlead car aft.

I don't think so. *I've sailed on several America's Cup boats, 6 to be
precise, and they all had conventional clockwise turning winches, both
port and starboard. *It would confuse the heck out of the trimmers
otherwise, trying to remember which way to wrap the jib sheet.

"Developed for events like the America's Cup and the Vendee Globe,
Harken racing winches feature carbon fiber and aluminum construction,
titanium gears, and PEEK roller bearings for ultra-lightweight
performance and reliability. This elite racing technology is also
available for smaller budgets - contact Harken® to order aluminum and
stainless steel in place of carbon and titanium. Options include self-
tailing arms, free-spinning or ratcheting base sheave additions, top
cleats, and *left-handed* rotation."

I've only sailed on 3, but they were America's cup class boats, not 12-
Meters. Definitely had left and right handed jib winches, no room on
coaming for a "wrong-handed" winch because of winch diameter and the
fairlead was so close to the winch.