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[This message forwarded from their sailmail status report.]
Day 5 - Maine Passage Hello from the North Atlantic, at 38*22'N, 69*39' W, as we sail along on a broad reach, having turned the corner (on which, more, below). Today's "crisis of the day" developed just after the last report was sent. We had our rig professionally (sic) tuned by Atlantic Spar when we were in Annapolis. Aside from, I presume, making sure it was straight in column, the best I can tell is that all they did is severely loosen the stainless steel wires supporting the mast. On a tack, the lee side wires can literally flop around by hand. Ever since, the mast has moved tremendously in its collar, forcing the foam rubber shock absorber, located between an aluminum collar on the deck, and the mast, up. It's what occasioned the failure (which wasn't really - we accidentally cut it in the previous resolution of the collar walking up the mast) of the last mast boot, requiring this new one. I'd been meaning to adjust the rigging to tighten it back up, but something always got in the way of it, as the collar had been put back down when we redid the mast boot. Out of sight, out of mind... Anyway, with the collar above the ring on the deck, our very light winds meant some rig flogging, and now the mast was grinding away on the aluminum ring on the deck. Oops. Time to get busy on that, right now!! I'll spare you the shoulder-wrenching, arthritis-inducing wrestling, details, but it suffices to say that the collar made it back down, and the shrouds got tightened. So much so that it changed the shape of the hull, pulling the sides together slightly, trapping one of the sole pulls, needed to get at where Lydia stows her spare beer, such that it was a real challenge to get it up! I'll attend to that, along with redoing some of the mast boot which came loose in all the pushing and shoving of the collar under it, later today. I went down for my usual short nap at 10, and Lydia woke me at 1:30, with the same complaint - unable to stay awake and focused. She also told me of the new crisis of the day, which is that our radar apparently doesn't like anything other than fully packed batteries. Our batteries, as those who were with us on the first leg of our journey last year at this time will recall, had had some abuse as a product of a failed/failing charger and some alternator problems, early in their lives. So, being about 3 years old, which is normally pretty young, they probably aren't in the best of shape, and I consider their capacity suspect, as we can go through a normal day's maximum usage overnight (the solar and wind normally more than keep up during the day, but can't fully replace what's been used overnight). However, as yet another confirmation of the general state of the industry, when I paid for the full installation of the new radar to go with our chartplotter given to us by another of our saints as he upgraded, they didn't install new power wiring or a new circuit breaker. Thus, it's being powered by 20-year old gear, the same as was present in the much less powerful predecessor. This isn't a new problem, really, as it was identified long ago, but it's reared its head again, now. Unfortunately, there's no workaround that I've found, and I'll have to bite the bullet and do the installation of new wire and breaker myself, later. That said, this has been the most wonderful cruise. Yesterday we were briefly visited - 200 miles offshore of the nearest point! - by two barn swallows who checked us out, circumnavigating the boat a few times, and then headed out, without landing, to wherever they were bound. Even though we're in the barest of zephyrs, and as a result we're rocking and rolling a lot in the nearly-calm seas, we're still making 4 knots toward our destination. I figure this answers the question of yesterday, as, if we got out of the Gulf Stream, we'd be going nowhere. At least with this, we'll be something on the order of 80 or more miles closer to our destination by this time tomorrow! Fortunately, Chris Parker, our weather guru, wrote back to the couple of short questions I posed over sailmail, and we were able to stay in the Gulf Stream until our turning point at 38*00'N 68*40'W. Up until that time, we'd had the best of the forecasted possibilities of the benefits to the Gulf Stream, achieving lift the entire way, and, for the last several hours we were in it, back up into the 9 knot range (from the several hours we were drifting along at 4-5 knots). So, at 3:30 this afternoon, we headed north, leaving the lovely prize of the added speed of the Gulf Stream, our very good friend for nearly 120 hours. Shortly before this was sent, I went out and twiddled the rig again before we changed onto a port tack to go north, so that the pressures would be equal on both sides. It will take more work, not only occasioned by the changes I've made under way, but from the realities of having the front and back of the rig entirely slackened to deal with the travel lift at the yard. I'd gotten spoiled in our earlier life, with lifts which were much larger, and thus not requiring any alterations to the standing rigging in the course of lifting and moving. As I write, it looks as though yesterday's musings on routing held true; we're pushing 7 knots and the forecast is favorable to maintain that speed through the balance of our passage. With last night's doldrums, and in particular because the currents in this particular part of the ocean were much more northerly than on a historic basis, having stayed in the current was definitely the better thing to do, because there's also a counter-current which, had we turned NE at the expected point of the Gulf Stream's change in direction, would have been right on our nose! So, once again, we're on a broad reach in 10-15 knots of wind, comfortably making consistent way toward our next turning point, the Great South Channel off Cape Cod. With any luck, we'll be making that turn shortly after tomorrow's posting. As I write this, we've covered 800 miles in slightly less than 5 days, for a 160 mile average. No doubt our last few days will see that drop precipitously, but I'd be pretty surprised to see it be under 100 miles. Once again, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, we're thrilled with Flying Pig, and very pleased with the return on investment of our new sails. We're now in the phase of the passage where we continually get closer to land. For several days, we've not been closer than 250 miles to any land, but we're only about 200 miles from Long Island's South shore, and Cape Cod. We're looking forward to seeing land again :{)) For today, then, this is Flying Pig, with crew Skip, Lydia and Portia. L8R Skip, Lydia, and Portia, the sea cat Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts." |
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I'm hardly a professional rigger, but I've observed lee shrouds loose on
many boats w/o adverse consequences. I think if you have the rig so taut as the lee shrouds are tight AND you have deformed the hull to point that you can't open a sole hatch, you have things a bit too tense. Do you have a rigging text aboard? Maybe others with more experience on your specific rig can chime in here. |
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"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
. .. I'm hardly a professional rigger, but I've observed lee shrouds loose on many boats w/o adverse consequences. I think if you have the rig so taut as the lee shrouds are tight AND you have deformed the hull to point that you can't open a sole hatch, you have things a bit too tense. Do you have a rigging text aboard? Maybe others with more experience on your specific rig can chime in here. Sounds like it to me also... no professional rigger here also, but my experience is that the lee shrouds on my boat are not flopping around, but they aren't humming tight either. I typically sail in 20 kts, and the quick and dirty approach to tuning was explained to me as taking up the slack on the lee shrouds and that's about it. Then tacking and doing the same thing, and then doing both tacks all over again. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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wrote in message
... That said, this has been the most wonderful cruise. Yesterday we were briefly visited - 200 miles offshore of the nearest point! - by two barn swallows who checked us out, circumnavigating the boat a few times, and then headed out, without landing, to wherever they were bound. While offshore about 200 miles off the coast of Cal., a small bird landed on the boat and took a couple of days R&R, wouldn't take water or food, then headed off north. This was in late October. We took it as a very good omen. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "Paul Cassel" wrote in message . .. I'm hardly a professional rigger, but I've observed lee shrouds loose on many boats w/o adverse consequences. I think if you have the rig so taut as the lee shrouds are tight AND you have deformed the hull to point that you can't open a sole hatch, you have things a bit too tense. Do you have a rigging text aboard? Maybe others with more experience on your specific rig can chime in here. Sounds like it to me also... no professional rigger here also, but my experience is that the lee shrouds on my boat are not flopping around, but they aren't humming tight either. I typically sail in 20 kts, and the quick and dirty approach to tuning was explained to me as taking up the slack on the lee shrouds and that's about it. Then tacking and doing the same thing, and then doing both tacks all over again. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Not _all- the slack first time around if you want your mast to remain upright. |
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"Capt. JG" wrote
the quick and dirty approach to tuning was explained to me as taking up the slack on the lee shrouds and that's about it. Then tacking and doing the same thing, and then doing both tacks all over again. I know of one boat that was wrecked that way so it needs to be done with care. Better to look critically at the mast and understand what subtle curvature means in terms of its column stability. Deck stepped masts are different. My lee rigging (deck stepped) is quite slack when the boat is heeled well over but it's all rotating around the deck step so tension is not too significant unless the flopping is excessive and risks something like pulling the uppers out of the spreader sockets. My aft lowers are loosest because I keep more tension on the forward ones to induce some mast bend and draft reduction. Also, if the boom should get away and come up hard against the shrouds, there will be less strain. I look for the mast to just be in a straight line when rail down and no noticable movement at other times. Tension on keel stepped masts is a bit more complex and critical. The whole point of a keel stepped mast is to have some support at the partners so I question Skip's report of a foam collar. There are some very hard foams used for this purpose but something other than wedges he put in by himself sounds too soft. There are some excellent riggers at Portland Yacht Services where he will land here. They have set up some round the world racers. I'll be interested to see what they have to say. -- Roger Long |
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"Edgar" wrote in message
... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "Paul Cassel" wrote in message . .. I'm hardly a professional rigger, but I've observed lee shrouds loose on many boats w/o adverse consequences. I think if you have the rig so taut as the lee shrouds are tight AND you have deformed the hull to point that you can't open a sole hatch, you have things a bit too tense. Do you have a rigging text aboard? Maybe others with more experience on your specific rig can chime in here. Sounds like it to me also... no professional rigger here also, but my experience is that the lee shrouds on my boat are not flopping around, but they aren't humming tight either. I typically sail in 20 kts, and the quick and dirty approach to tuning was explained to me as taking up the slack on the lee shrouds and that's about it. Then tacking and doing the same thing, and then doing both tacks all over again. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Not _all- the slack first time around if you want your mast to remain upright. Good point. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Rigging. I hesitate to post, expecting flak from the usual. But...
As a general rule when you press with a few pounds of force (a comfortable firm push, say with your thumb) the fore, aft and uppers should deflect 3/4" to 1-1/2". The lowers should deflect 1/2" to 1". Use the higher side for a taller mast, say over 50'. Measure with a halyard side to side and adjust the uppers to get the mast straight. If you have to adjust, be sure to loosen all the lowers first. Adjust the lowers last and be sure to sight along the mast to check for any bend. There is a tuning tool available, but it's just a sort of spring loaded thing with a ruler. A human thumb and ruler is a lot cheaper and works just as well. Rick Watching Tropical Storm Edouard..... ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 09:42:59 -0600, Paul Cassel
wrote: I'm hardly a professional rigger, but I've observed lee shrouds loose on many boats w/o adverse consequences. I think if you have the rig so taut as the lee shrouds are tight AND you have deformed the hull to point that you can't open a sole hatch, you have things a bit too tense. Do you have a rigging text aboard? Maybe others with more experience on your specific rig can chime in here. Lee shrouds being less taunt the windward stays is normal. the question is how much looser. Apparently the Pig's are loose enough that the mast boot works loose. Another problem he seems to have is that when he tightens up the shrouds it deforms the boat. the usual cure for that is a tie rod between the mast step and the underside of the deck. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:44:26 -0500, Rick Morel
wrote: There is a tuning tool available, but it's just a sort of spring loaded thing with a ruler. A human thumb and ruler is a lot cheaper and works just as well. Read once you should measure and memorize your body parts and you can become a walking ruler, no need to carry one. Stick to stuff like fingers, finger joints, wrist bone to elbow bone, etc. You don't want to get arrested while taking measures. --Vic |
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Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
Another problem he seems to have is that when he tightens up the shrouds it deforms the boat. the usual cure for that is a tie rod between the mast step and the underside of the deck. I was trying to be gentle. If he's deforming his boat at the PROPER shroud tension, he's sailing a POS which shouldn't be in commission. If he's deforming a well made boat, then he's not at the proper tension. I didn't want to say it so out and out but there, I have. |
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On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:37:04 -0600, Paul Cassel
wrote: Bruce in Bangkok wrote: Another problem he seems to have is that when he tightens up the shrouds it deforms the boat. the usual cure for that is a tie rod between the mast step and the underside of the deck. I was trying to be gentle. If he's deforming his boat at the PROPER shroud tension, he's sailing a POS which shouldn't be in commission. If he's deforming a well made boat, then he's not at the proper tension. I didn't want to say it so out and out but there, I have. I have a deck stepped mast but from what I read all keel stepped masts will deform when the shrouds are tensioned. The usual fix if a "tie rod" which is bolted to the deck and the mast step to prevent the deck from flexing upward. Apparently this is a normal trait of keel stepped boats Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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On Aug 3, 4:47*am, wrote:
[This message forwarded from their sailmail status report.] Day 5 - Maine Passage Today's "crisis of the day" developed just after the last report was sent. *Ever since, the mast has moved tremendously in its collar, forcing the foam rubber shock absorber, located between an aluminum collar on the deck, and the mast, up. *It's what occasioned the failure (which wasn't really - we accidentally cut it in the previous resolution of the collar walking up the mast) of the last mast boot, requiring this new one. Planets aligning......................... I'd been meaning to adjust the rigging to tighten it back up, but something always got in the way of it, as the collar had been put back down when we redid the mast boot. *Out of sight, out of mind... *Anyway, .. Ignoring root cause of a problem. humm I wonder why its loose? ANd what is "loose?" *So much so that it changed the shape of the hull, pulling the sides together slightly, trapping one of the sole pulls, needed to get at where Huh ! what the ****?!? your boat sure is a flimsy peice of **** or.......... Lydia stows her spare beer, such that it was a real challenge to get it up! *I'll attend to that, along with redoing some of the mast boot which came loose in all the pushing and shoving of the collar under it, later today. More planets droping in place just like the pins of lock. I went down for my usual short nap at 10, and Lydia woke me at 1:30, with the same complaint - unable to stay awake and focused. * Poor baby maybe daddy can fix it :( So Skip is sailing SINGLE HANDED! When the **** hits the fan Lydia will fold and go hide in the bunk "incopacitated" or maybe sprain her ankle She also told me of the new crisis of the day, which is that our radar apparently doesn't like anything other than fully packed batteries. * Charging problem, resistance in corroded crimped wire ends.butt splices and genneral OLD ****ty circuits. Ya know boats that old had NON TINNED COPPER conductors now add salewater from a sunk boat! Eeeks! Our batteries, as those who were with us on the first leg of our journey last year at this time will recall, had had some abuse as a product of a failed/failing charger and some alternator problems, early in their lives. *So, being about 3 years old, which is normally pretty young, they probably aren't in the best of shape, Simple solution to stare at the batteries and blame them.................. *However, as yet another confirmation of the general state of the industry, when I paid for the full installation of the new radar to go with our chartplotter given to us by another of our saints as he upgraded, they didn't install new power wiring or a new circuit breaker. Thus, it's being powered by 20-year old gear, the same as was present in the much less powerful predecessor. Now youre on to it SKip. Good call ya dumn ****! Lets review: Rigging problmes Unknown electriacal problems Hull deforming 60+ year old novice recreational sailor A physical, emotional, cognitve libility named Lydia. Bob Skip, Lydia, and Portia, the sea cat |
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Bob wrote in news:487588fb-f473-4dfb-afb1-1dc962211351
@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com: Now youre on to it SKip. Good call ya dumn ****! Hey, stupid. He's at SEA and can't see newsgroups.... |
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On Aug 3, 7:59*pm, Larry wrote:
Bob wrote in news:487588fb-f473-4dfb-afb1-1dc962211351 @b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com: Now youre on to it SKip. Good call ya dumn ****! Hey, stupid. *He's at SEA and can't see newsgroups.... Hey stupid Its for the benifit of his survivors and those here. Like DUH....... as if ... like fur sure Bob |
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Oh, that. I never use it, as a rule. As a rule, I would never admit something like that in a public Internet forum. -- Roger Long |
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On Aug 4, 2:45*am, wrote:
On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:59:35 +0000, Larry wrote: Bob wrote in news:487588fb-f473-4dfb-afb1-1dc962211351 : Now youre on to it SKip. Good call ya dumn ****! Hey, stupid. *He's at SEA and can't see newsgroups.... Hey, stupid, What gets posted here, gets responded to here. This is Usenet, and that's how it works. And any claims that Skip can't read newsgroups due to bandwidth are bull****, based on the epic length of the constant posts HE sends. One of his posts takes as much bandwidth as 50 normal posts. Good morning, I agree completley. While my posts are rude and laced with great contempt the reality is SKip is providing a wonderful and rich naritive of a novice voyager. 10,000s of people will be able to read of his experiences, debrief and debate but most importatnly LEARN from his mistakes. truely he is the Lewis and Clark of Sailing Magazine! I plan to use his posts as a series of Case Studies for an advanced cruising/voyage planing course I am developing. Lets face it ya just cant make this stuff up! its absolutly rich ! ! ! and "fair use." Sincerly anticipating, Bob |
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On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 17:08:00 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote: Tension on keel stepped masts is a bit more complex and critical. Especially since you mispelled compression. Casady |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:30:51 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:29:09 GMT, (Richard Casady) wrote: On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 17:08:00 -0400, "Roger Long" wrote: Tension on keel stepped masts is a bit more complex and critical. Especially since you mispelled compression. Isn't it spelled misspelled? Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
... On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:30:51 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:29:09 GMT, (Richard Casady) wrote: On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 17:08:00 -0400, "Roger Long" wrote: Tension on keel stepped masts is a bit more complex and critical. Especially since you mispelled compression. Casady mispelled? It isn't spelled tension. Casady Heh... if you live in a glass house, don't throw stones... I think that's what salty is trying to say. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Wwhen you tighten the shrouds on a keel stepped mast, the chain plates are pulling up thus caving in the sides of the boat. The cabin deck is pinched up and the partner rides up the mast. Now imaging lots of sail up in a rough sea, those shrouds are apumpin and that cabin top is moving up and down causing all kinds of problems down the line. The fix is a tie rod running from the step to the partner with a strenghtened cabin roof. Top can't ride up, sides can't cave. Gordon |
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"Richard Casady" wrote It isn't spelled tension. It's spelled "Rigging wire tension". -- Roger Long |
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:15:10 -0700, Gordon wrote:
The fix is a tie rod running from the step to the partner with a strenghtened cabin roof. Top can't ride up, sides can't cave. Yes, and the whole boat will be stiffer as a result, like a big box beam. |
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In article , Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:15:10 -0700, Gordon wrote: The fix is a tie rod running from the step to the partner with a strenghtened cabin roof. Top can't ride up, sides can't cave. Yes, and the whole boat will be stiffer as a result, like a big box beam. Once the novice had been round and tightened his shrouds (which were loose on one tack, IIRC), I'm guessing this set-up would then retain that tension... but the whole lot would be under a lot more stress. Just curious. Justin. -- Justin C, by the sea. |
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On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:22:48 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote: "Richard Casady" wrote It isn't spelled tension. It's spelled "Rigging wire tension". Especially when you are discussing the mast? Casady |
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Yes, the proper tensioning of the rigging wire is a bit more complex and
critical in a keel stepped mast than a deck stepped one. Everything can be quite loose in a deck stepped mast and the mast will be perfectly well supported since it will just rotate about its step. Insufficient tension in a keel stepped mast can introduce a bend just above the deck/cabin top partners. This bend can contribute to column instability. In practice, there won't be significant difference in wire tension between the two rig types but the deck stepped is more tolerant of under tensioning of the wires as long as the tension relationship between the uppers and lowers is right. -- Roger Long |
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Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
I have a deck stepped mast but from what I read all keel stepped masts will deform when the shrouds are tensioned. The usual fix if a "tie rod" which is bolted to the deck and the mast step to prevent the deck from flexing upward. Apparently this is a normal trait of keel stepped boats I disagree that the boat should flex enough that he can't get the sole hatches open w/o a struggle. Any reasonable boat design needs to consider the rig being in proper tension. I understand the tie rod you mention and would think that an issue on a boat like an O'Day but on a seagoing vessel? So here you are in the Morgan showroom taking delivery of your new Morgan XXX. The salesman tells you if you actually sail the thing, you can either buy a tie rod because the boat is improperly designed or you can forget opening any hatches below because the boat is improperly designed. Seems perfectly incredible to me - either scenario. |
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:29:09 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote: On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 17:08:00 -0400, "Roger Long" wrote: Tension on keel stepped masts is a bit more complex and critical. Especially since you mispelled compression. Casady Not I Sir! :-) Must be a software glitch. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:26:36 -0600, Paul Cassel
wrote: Bruce in Bangkok wrote: I have a deck stepped mast but from what I read all keel stepped masts will deform when the shrouds are tensioned. The usual fix if a "tie rod" which is bolted to the deck and the mast step to prevent the deck from flexing upward. Apparently this is a normal trait of keel stepped boats I disagree that the boat should flex enough that he can't get the sole hatches open w/o a struggle. Any reasonable boat design needs to consider the rig being in proper tension. I understand the tie rod you mention and would think that an issue on a boat like an O'Day but on a seagoing vessel? So here you are in the Morgan showroom taking delivery of your new Morgan XXX. The salesman tells you if you actually sail the thing, you can either buy a tie rod because the boat is improperly designed or you can forget opening any hatches below because the boat is improperly designed. Seems perfectly incredible to me - either scenario. First of all, you appear to be combining several posts into one. Specifically mine about tie rods and someone else about hatches. You can imagine anything you wish, however, the Pardy's wrote about the installation of a tie rod in their second boat and while I hate to quote them as an authority about anything they have probably sailed more miles then most. I have also seen tie rods installed in keel stepped boat of all sizes, shapes and material so I assume that there is a reason, just as there is a reason for some boats having tie rods connecting the chain plates, to the keel (again in a keel stepped boat). Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:26:36 -0600, Paul Cassel wrote: Bruce in Bangkok wrote: I have a deck stepped mast but from what I read all keel stepped masts will deform when the shrouds are tensioned. The usual fix if a "tie rod" which is bolted to the deck and the mast step to prevent the deck from flexing upward. Apparently this is a normal trait of keel stepped boats I disagree that the boat should flex enough that he can't get the sole hatches open w/o a struggle. Any reasonable boat design needs to consider the rig being in proper tension. I understand the tie rod you mention and would think that an issue on a boat like an O'Day but on a seagoing vessel? So here you are in the Morgan showroom taking delivery of your new Morgan XXX. The salesman tells you if you actually sail the thing, you can either buy a tie rod because the boat is improperly designed or you can forget opening any hatches below because the boat is improperly designed. Seems perfectly incredible to me - either scenario. First of all, you appear to be combining several posts into one. Specifically mine about tie rods and someone else about hatches. You can imagine anything you wish, however, the Pardy's wrote about the installation of a tie rod in their second boat and while I hate to quote them as an authority about anything they have probably sailed more miles then most. I have also seen tie rods installed in keel stepped boat of all sizes, shapes and material so I assume that there is a reason, just as there is a reason for some boats having tie rods connecting the chain plates, to the keel (again in a keel stepped boat). Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) My Pearson 365 ketch was built with the tie rod setup. Also, it doesn't need to be a rod, rigging wire would work as well. Gordon |
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On Aug 4, 8:23*am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
Heh... if you live in a glass house, don't throw stones... I think that's what salty is trying to say. "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - Close............... those in glass houses shouldnt get stoned. Rasta praise JAH Bob |
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On Aug 4, 11:01*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote: It's spelled "Rigging wire tension". Casady FOr those who are familure with PNW resource based economy its was called a, "riggin fit." bob |
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I bet your neighbors in New Jersey just love you. LOL
"Bob" wrote in message ... Close............... those in glass houses shouldnt get stoned. Rasta praise JAH Bob -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On 2008-08-03 19:44:26 -0400, Rick Morel said:
There is a tuning tool available, but it's just a sort of spring loaded thing with a ruler. A human thumb and ruler is a lot cheaper and works just as well. It's a Loos gauge. I don't sail without one, as perceptions of tension will change through the season. If nothing else, later in the season, our idea of "moderate" winds goes up, so the stays flop more. Having an actual number to compare makes things more certain. I check our tension periodically, which helped me detect a bulkhead rotting away in a hidden corner in time to prevent serious damage. The mast dropping about 3/16ths of an inch made a real difference. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On 2008-08-03 17:08:00 -0400, "Roger Long" said:
There are some excellent riggers at Portland Yacht Services where he will land here. They have set up some round the world racers. I'll be interested to see what they have to say. I'd love to know their opinion. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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