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Bryan Minihan April 7th 04 01:34 AM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
Well I just completed my first big "trip", in which I spent more than
an afternoon or evening sailing a charted course through more than one
zip code.

I must say I truly loved it, and think I'm never going to be able to
stay away from our boat for too long without yearning to go out again.

I want to thank Doug King, G'ma Rosalie and David S for their helpful
advice on making the trip from Baker Marine in Wilmington NC to N'west
Creek Marina in New Bern. All of your advice was dead on and very
helpful.

I ended up going with Claiborne Young's chartbook (which goes with his
cruising guide). I agree with Rosalie that it's a bit bulky in the
cockpit, but proved invaluable in being really easy to handle with one
elbow tied behind your back - that is, it doesn't flop around all over
the place when you're trying to find a marked shoal in 30-40kt winds.
I couldn't find the ADC chartbook, although I found several resources
for charts online...all of which I'll have to try some time soon.

As for the trip itself, here's the run-down:
Snow's cut was one of the easiest parts of the trip. There was no
shoaling, although the 65ft bridge seemed a bit too short (at the
time) for our 52ft mast...I swear I thought we were going to hit the
bridge.

The Wrightsville Beach bridge was a lot easier than I thought it would
be. My only previous sailing experience was on the Chesapeake, and
I'd never crossed a draw-bridge before, so I was a little nervous. I
paid the current due respect but was glad to learn the potential for
being sucked under the bridge wasn't as bad as I'd thought.

We grounded only 3 times. The first was nearly intentional - a
powerboat approached head-on and to give him a clear indication of our
intentions, I steered us into the side of the channel. The 2nd two
times were in traversing the Neuse River from Adam's Creek to NW Creek
in Fairfield Harbor. This was Sunday afternoon, from 11am until 5:30
or so - if you're around here you probably know that it was pretty
windy that day. Our windmeter only registered gusts up to 23kts, so
we decided it was safe to go ahead. This being my 2nd trip on this
boat, and about my 12th trip sailing at all, I really didn't know what
35 knot winds were like, so we proceeded ahead. I made the crossing
in almost gale-force winds (with my step-dad & his friend in tow) -
none the wiser that the winds were actually between 25-35 knots,
gusting to 39.

My stupidity, of course, was in not trusting my instincts and pulling
in to the first spot i could when i realized the winds (20 knots or
no) were way too strong for my experience level and my faith in the
boat we just purchased. The potential for serious injury or death was
a lot closer than I really ever want to be, or at least not in the
very near future.

OTOH: My wife and I have a 2 year old and an 11 month old, whom we
plan to take sailing with us at every opportunity. I am seriously
glad I got to experience this boat under those conditions with a
hardier crew, and having had the opportunity to prepare for the
conditions as if they were a hurricane. This I did, since I am very
interested in knowing I can trust our new boat, and especially with
the lives of my family. I battened everything down, planned my
approach and several exit points where I determined to "pull in"
should the weather get too rough. My step-father was my navigator
(having lived in the area and being an active powerboater there for
the past 20 years) and did a fine job. The sailing part, however, was
left up to me. If you're curious, we decided not to actually "sail'
this part of the river, but motor, instead. It turns out that the
boom with lashed on main gave us enough windage to act as sort of a
storm-sail, anyway.

Anyway, some of the folks here may remember a few years ago when I
wrote in to the group requesting advice as to whether we (my wife and
I and 1.5 kids) should "take the plunge". For all of the helpful
advice we received then (all of which greatly influenced our decisions
then and now), I am truly grateful. I sincerely appreciate the
thoughtful opinions and advice I read and collect from this group, and
wish the best of weather for each of you.

Here's a link to my original "taking the plunge" note:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...com%26rnum%3D1

Bryan Minihan
S/V Victoria II

Rosalie B. April 12th 04 09:04 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
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Bryan Minihan wrote:

Well I just completed my first big "trip", in which I spent more than
an afternoon or evening sailing a charted course through more than one
zip code.

I must say I truly loved it, and think I'm never going to be able to
stay away from our boat for too long without yearning to go out again.


Glad it all worked out for you.
snip
As for the trip itself, here's the run-down:
Snow's cut was one of the easiest parts of the trip. There was no
shoaling, although the 65ft bridge seemed a bit too short (at the
time) for our 52ft mast...I swear I thought we were going to hit the
bridge.

Snow's cut can be a piece of cake depending on the current. Or it can
be a tiger. WHen I last went through there, there was a red floater
all the way out toward the green side marking a shoal, so I would
hesitate to say there was NO shoaling - only that it was well buoyed.

I still would think that our mast was going to hit, and I always look
up at the bridge to check. It's particularly scary in Norfolk with
the lift bridges - the bridge tender just runs the bridge up high
enough to clear the tallest mast and not all the way to the top. They
say if you are at the top of the mast and the bridge gets higher and
highter, the mast will clear, but if it gets lower and lower, it will
hit. Not something I intend to try, although it might be more
feasible on a power boat. We tried going through one of the side
arches of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge once, and even though I KNEW it
was tall enough, I about had a heart attack.


The Wrightsville Beach bridge was a lot easier than I thought it would
be. My only previous sailing experience was on the Chesapeake, and
I'd never crossed a draw-bridge before, so I was a little nervous. I
paid the current due respect but was glad to learn the potential for
being sucked under the bridge wasn't as bad as I'd thought.


Again, this depends on the wind and current. If either the wind or
current is sweeping toward the bridge it can be nasty. Don't get
complacent. But if the current is pushing you away from the bridge,
it's pretty easy to idle in front of the bridge until it opens. The
other thing about non-fixed bridges is that you have to have the
correct radio channel to call them on. That particular bridge is
somewhat complicated by the launch ramp on the north side and the
marinas and channel on the south side.



grandma Rosalie

Rosalie B. April 12th 04 09:04 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
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Bryan Minihan wrote:

Well I just completed my first big "trip", in which I spent more than
an afternoon or evening sailing a charted course through more than one
zip code.

I must say I truly loved it, and think I'm never going to be able to
stay away from our boat for too long without yearning to go out again.


Glad it all worked out for you.
snip
As for the trip itself, here's the run-down:
Snow's cut was one of the easiest parts of the trip. There was no
shoaling, although the 65ft bridge seemed a bit too short (at the
time) for our 52ft mast...I swear I thought we were going to hit the
bridge.

Snow's cut can be a piece of cake depending on the current. Or it can
be a tiger. WHen I last went through there, there was a red floater
all the way out toward the green side marking a shoal, so I would
hesitate to say there was NO shoaling - only that it was well buoyed.

I still would think that our mast was going to hit, and I always look
up at the bridge to check. It's particularly scary in Norfolk with
the lift bridges - the bridge tender just runs the bridge up high
enough to clear the tallest mast and not all the way to the top. They
say if you are at the top of the mast and the bridge gets higher and
highter, the mast will clear, but if it gets lower and lower, it will
hit. Not something I intend to try, although it might be more
feasible on a power boat. We tried going through one of the side
arches of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge once, and even though I KNEW it
was tall enough, I about had a heart attack.


The Wrightsville Beach bridge was a lot easier than I thought it would
be. My only previous sailing experience was on the Chesapeake, and
I'd never crossed a draw-bridge before, so I was a little nervous. I
paid the current due respect but was glad to learn the potential for
being sucked under the bridge wasn't as bad as I'd thought.


Again, this depends on the wind and current. If either the wind or
current is sweeping toward the bridge it can be nasty. Don't get
complacent. But if the current is pushing you away from the bridge,
it's pretty easy to idle in front of the bridge until it opens. The
other thing about non-fixed bridges is that you have to have the
correct radio channel to call them on. That particular bridge is
somewhat complicated by the launch ramp on the north side and the
marinas and channel on the south side.



grandma Rosalie

muskrat April 19th 04 08:54 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
Hey, Captain Bryan,

Glad to hear your little shakedown cruise went well, especially since
you don't even mention that the weather was a tad chilly as well as
windy.

And you did well with only running aground three times, although I'm
assuming you were able to run the outside from Wrightsville to
Beaufort - no mention of other bridge issues.

Anyhow, I'm moored in Sneads Ferry and know every creek and channel
from Myrtle Beach to Cape Lookout, including New River and Bogue
inlets, where "local knowledge" means ten minutes ago. So let me know
if you need if you need any advice.

Will escape from work mid-May and hope to spend as much time with
local cruising as possible and maybe catch a few fish offshore. Maybe
I'll see you out at lookout around July Fourth.

Good sailing.

muskrat

muskrat April 19th 04 08:54 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
Hey, Captain Bryan,

Glad to hear your little shakedown cruise went well, especially since
you don't even mention that the weather was a tad chilly as well as
windy.

And you did well with only running aground three times, although I'm
assuming you were able to run the outside from Wrightsville to
Beaufort - no mention of other bridge issues.

Anyhow, I'm moored in Sneads Ferry and know every creek and channel
from Myrtle Beach to Cape Lookout, including New River and Bogue
inlets, where "local knowledge" means ten minutes ago. So let me know
if you need if you need any advice.

Will escape from work mid-May and hope to spend as much time with
local cruising as possible and maybe catch a few fish offshore. Maybe
I'll see you out at lookout around July Fourth.

Good sailing.

muskrat

Rick Itenson April 20th 04 04:02 AM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
On 19 Apr 2004 12:54:37 -0700, (muskrat) wrote:

Anyhow, I'm moored in Sneads Ferry and know every creek and channel
from Myrtle Beach to Cape Lookout, including New River and Bogue
inlets, where "local knowledge" means ten minutes ago. So let me know
if you need if you need any advice.

Hey Muskrat,

What's the latest on Lockwood's Folly. Heading up that way soon and
Corps of Engineers says there's only five feet there. Also would
appreciate info on New River area,apparently shopaled up there too. I
need six feet.. Are there many boats going north through Lockwood's
Folly or are most of them going outside.

Rick

Rick Itenson April 20th 04 04:02 AM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
On 19 Apr 2004 12:54:37 -0700, (muskrat) wrote:

Anyhow, I'm moored in Sneads Ferry and know every creek and channel
from Myrtle Beach to Cape Lookout, including New River and Bogue
inlets, where "local knowledge" means ten minutes ago. So let me know
if you need if you need any advice.

Hey Muskrat,

What's the latest on Lockwood's Folly. Heading up that way soon and
Corps of Engineers says there's only five feet there. Also would
appreciate info on New River area,apparently shopaled up there too. I
need six feet.. Are there many boats going north through Lockwood's
Folly or are most of them going outside.

Rick

muskrat April 20th 04 03:15 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
Hi, Captain Rick,

Six feet on the ICW is always a risk, as you know, but I think you can
make it if you watch the tides.

Was last through Lockwoods in September while fleeing Hurricane
Isabelle and didn't have a problem. Granted I'm shallow draft, but I
don't recall any alarms going off. Shoaling there as well as at little
inlets from Sneads Ferry to Swansboro is definitely occurring, but the
tows and big shrimpers are passing by regularly and no doubt kicking
up the sand.

The secret will be to keep to the land side. In other words, go to
port at the first sign of trouble while heading north - especially
when traversing inlets - and even if this means getting uncomfortably
close to the west bank, and the coming spring tides should definitely
be an asset, as you already know.

The good news is that recent dredging projects just north of Camp
Lejeune, just south of Swansboro, and just south of Morehead have
removed problems there. My biggest worry would be, as always, the
stinking rock ledges between Barefoot Landing and Doc Holidays at
North Myrtle Beach.

Hope this helps, good sailing, and keep in touch.

Muskrat

muskrat April 20th 04 03:15 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
Hi, Captain Rick,

Six feet on the ICW is always a risk, as you know, but I think you can
make it if you watch the tides.

Was last through Lockwoods in September while fleeing Hurricane
Isabelle and didn't have a problem. Granted I'm shallow draft, but I
don't recall any alarms going off. Shoaling there as well as at little
inlets from Sneads Ferry to Swansboro is definitely occurring, but the
tows and big shrimpers are passing by regularly and no doubt kicking
up the sand.

The secret will be to keep to the land side. In other words, go to
port at the first sign of trouble while heading north - especially
when traversing inlets - and even if this means getting uncomfortably
close to the west bank, and the coming spring tides should definitely
be an asset, as you already know.

The good news is that recent dredging projects just north of Camp
Lejeune, just south of Swansboro, and just south of Morehead have
removed problems there. My biggest worry would be, as always, the
stinking rock ledges between Barefoot Landing and Doc Holidays at
North Myrtle Beach.

Hope this helps, good sailing, and keep in touch.

Muskrat

Rick Itenson April 20th 04 11:17 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
My biggest worry would be, as always, the
stinking rock ledges between Barefoot Landing and Doc Holidays at
North Myrtle Beach.

Hope this helps, good sailing, and keep in touch.

Muskrat



Thanks Muskrat,

I don't mind the "rockpile" - there's lots of water there. Glad to
hear they're doing some dredging. I thought the Corps of Engineers
didn't have any funds. I ran aground in that turn before Swansboro
going north a few years ago. I gather that bad stretch south of
Morehead City is gone. If the weather's ok I'll go out at Charleston
and in at Wrightsville and then out again to Beaufort. I guess I'll
have to miss Barefoot.


Rick Itenson
La Belle Aurore
Toronto

Rick Itenson April 20th 04 11:17 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
My biggest worry would be, as always, the
stinking rock ledges between Barefoot Landing and Doc Holidays at
North Myrtle Beach.

Hope this helps, good sailing, and keep in touch.

Muskrat



Thanks Muskrat,

I don't mind the "rockpile" - there's lots of water there. Glad to
hear they're doing some dredging. I thought the Corps of Engineers
didn't have any funds. I ran aground in that turn before Swansboro
going north a few years ago. I gather that bad stretch south of
Morehead City is gone. If the weather's ok I'll go out at Charleston
and in at Wrightsville and then out again to Beaufort. I guess I'll
have to miss Barefoot.


Rick Itenson
La Belle Aurore
Toronto

DSK April 21st 04 02:00 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington toNew Bern
 
Rick Itenson wrote:
What's the latest on Lockwood's Folly. Heading up that way soon and
Corps of Engineers says there's only five feet there.


We went through last week at low tide, and it was about 5 1/2'

Go on a higher tide, keep to landward (as Muskrat said) and watch the
current. The tide fall is not a lot, but this lulls many people into a
false sense of security... the current is swift and it will pull you out
of the channel if you let it.


... Also would
appreciate info on New River area,apparently shopaled up there too.


Yes IMHO this is worse than Lockwood's Folly. There's a bigger area to
guess where the channel is. We bumped something (a log?) underwater
nearer the red-bouy side on the north/east side of the inlet. On the way
back we kept more toward the green and were all right.


... I
need six feet.. Are there many boats going north through Lockwood's
Folly or are most of them going outside.


There was a LOT of traffic going inside last week.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


DSK April 21st 04 02:00 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington toNew Bern
 
Rick Itenson wrote:
What's the latest on Lockwood's Folly. Heading up that way soon and
Corps of Engineers says there's only five feet there.


We went through last week at low tide, and it was about 5 1/2'

Go on a higher tide, keep to landward (as Muskrat said) and watch the
current. The tide fall is not a lot, but this lulls many people into a
false sense of security... the current is swift and it will pull you out
of the channel if you let it.


... Also would
appreciate info on New River area,apparently shopaled up there too.


Yes IMHO this is worse than Lockwood's Folly. There's a bigger area to
guess where the channel is. We bumped something (a log?) underwater
nearer the red-bouy side on the north/east side of the inlet. On the way
back we kept more toward the green and were all right.


... I
need six feet.. Are there many boats going north through Lockwood's
Folly or are most of them going outside.


There was a LOT of traffic going inside last week.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


muskrat April 21st 04 04:22 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
Hey, Captain Rick,

Don't blame you a bit for going to the outside, especially if the
weather the calls for those lovely s'westerlies we usually can rely on
this time of year. Good chance to run up all sails, and no need to
bother with those pesky bridges, bridges, bridges. Please don't
hesitate to contact me if you need a crew - hint, hint.

By the way, the rockpile has gotten more interesting now that a
freaking big gambling boat runs through twice a day. Might be deep,
but sure is narrow - yikes!

Apologies to Capt. Bryan for hijacking thread.

Later, 'gators,
muskrat

muskrat April 21st 04 04:22 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
Hey, Captain Rick,

Don't blame you a bit for going to the outside, especially if the
weather the calls for those lovely s'westerlies we usually can rely on
this time of year. Good chance to run up all sails, and no need to
bother with those pesky bridges, bridges, bridges. Please don't
hesitate to contact me if you need a crew - hint, hint.

By the way, the rockpile has gotten more interesting now that a
freaking big gambling boat runs through twice a day. Might be deep,
but sure is narrow - yikes!

Apologies to Capt. Bryan for hijacking thread.

Later, 'gators,
muskrat

muskrat April 21st 04 07:03 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
Hey, Captain Doug,

Thanks for confirming report of an unmarked nasty something lurking
around the intersection of New River and the ICW.

Last week another boater had a problem there - hit something which
ripped shaft from stuffing box and jammed prop into rudder. Nearly
sank and is still on the hill.

Will definitely be taking it slow through that area for quite a while
unless a marker magically appears. Fat chance!

May the wind be at your back,
muskrat

muskrat April 21st 04 07:03 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
Hey, Captain Doug,

Thanks for confirming report of an unmarked nasty something lurking
around the intersection of New River and the ICW.

Last week another boater had a problem there - hit something which
ripped shaft from stuffing box and jammed prop into rudder. Nearly
sank and is still on the hill.

Will definitely be taking it slow through that area for quite a while
unless a marker magically appears. Fat chance!

May the wind be at your back,
muskrat

DSK April 21st 04 08:13 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington toNew Bern
 
muskrat wrote:
Thanks for confirming report of an unmarked nasty something lurking
around the intersection of New River and the ICW.

Last week another boater had a problem there - hit something which
ripped shaft from stuffing box and jammed prop into rudder. Nearly
sank and is still on the hill.


Bummer. What kind of boat?

We've had pretty good luck (knock wood) in that department, we've hit
stuff where the water was theoritically deep enough, and nothing showed
on the surface, in places like the Trent, the Pasquotank (now there's a
beautiful river), Topsail channel, and now this New River channel
junction. We've got a full skeg but it still isn't bulletproof.


Will definitely be taking it slow through that area for quite a while
unless a marker magically appears. Fat chance!


It's a good place to be careful.

I'm glad to see some sensible discussion of going outside. Why do so
many people buy heavy displacement "offshore" cruisers and then
putt-putt up and down the ICW? When we get an autopilot, I'm planning to
take the tugboat outside for as much of the route as feasible.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


DSK April 21st 04 08:13 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington toNew Bern
 
muskrat wrote:
Thanks for confirming report of an unmarked nasty something lurking
around the intersection of New River and the ICW.

Last week another boater had a problem there - hit something which
ripped shaft from stuffing box and jammed prop into rudder. Nearly
sank and is still on the hill.


Bummer. What kind of boat?

We've had pretty good luck (knock wood) in that department, we've hit
stuff where the water was theoritically deep enough, and nothing showed
on the surface, in places like the Trent, the Pasquotank (now there's a
beautiful river), Topsail channel, and now this New River channel
junction. We've got a full skeg but it still isn't bulletproof.


Will definitely be taking it slow through that area for quite a while
unless a marker magically appears. Fat chance!


It's a good place to be careful.

I'm glad to see some sensible discussion of going outside. Why do so
many people buy heavy displacement "offshore" cruisers and then
putt-putt up and down the ICW? When we get an autopilot, I'm planning to
take the tugboat outside for as much of the route as feasible.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Rosalie B. April 21st 04 09:15 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
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We've gone offshore more this trip than at any time in the past. Of
course we were in the Hawk Channel going up the Keys, and we went from
Indian Key up to Miami in one shot (we are a very slow boat and it
took us 13 hours) and anchored after dark off Key Biscayne. We
usually take a couple of days to do this trip, but the weather was
going to be really nasty (and WAS really nasty) and it wouldn't have
made any difference going up the bay side - would still have been
nasty. The difference with the Hawk Channel side is there's no place
for us to go with 5' draft and 58.5' mast. We just have to anchor and
take it.

Then after we visited daughter SIL and grandchildren we went Miami to
Ft. Pierce, and again from the St. Mary's River to Charleston. This
took 27 hours and went OK but we arrived in dense fog.

After we visit son, DIL and grandchildren there, we went from
Charleston to the Cape Fear River. This avoids the Rockpile, and
Lockwood's Folly both plus the Sunset Beach bridge which is aground at
low tide. We were going to arrive at 3 am so we had to tack a bit to
slow down so that someone would be at the marina when we got there,
and this took us 23 hours.

We are considering offshore from Masonboro (where we are now - Saw 8.3
ft at Carolina Beach when the tide was almost high - 3.7 feet) to
Morehead City, but probably will not.


(muskrat) wrote:

Hi, Captain Rick,

Six feet on the ICW is always a risk, as you know, but I think you can
make it if you watch the tides.

Was last through Lockwoods in September while fleeing Hurricane
Isabelle and didn't have a problem. Granted I'm shallow draft, but I
don't recall any alarms going off. Shoaling there as well as at little
inlets from Sneads Ferry to Swansboro is definitely occurring, but the
tows and big shrimpers are passing by regularly and no doubt kicking
up the sand.

The secret will be to keep to the land side. In other words, go to
port at the first sign of trouble while heading north - especially
when traversing inlets - and even if this means getting uncomfortably
close to the west bank, and the coming spring tides should definitely
be an asset, as you already know.

The good news is that recent dredging projects just north of Camp
Lejeune, just south of Swansboro, and just south of Morehead have
removed problems there. My biggest worry would be, as always, the
stinking rock ledges between Barefoot Landing and Doc Holidays at
North Myrtle Beach.

Hope this helps, good sailing, and keep in touch.

Muskrat


grandma Rosalie

Rosalie B. April 21st 04 09:15 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
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We've gone offshore more this trip than at any time in the past. Of
course we were in the Hawk Channel going up the Keys, and we went from
Indian Key up to Miami in one shot (we are a very slow boat and it
took us 13 hours) and anchored after dark off Key Biscayne. We
usually take a couple of days to do this trip, but the weather was
going to be really nasty (and WAS really nasty) and it wouldn't have
made any difference going up the bay side - would still have been
nasty. The difference with the Hawk Channel side is there's no place
for us to go with 5' draft and 58.5' mast. We just have to anchor and
take it.

Then after we visited daughter SIL and grandchildren we went Miami to
Ft. Pierce, and again from the St. Mary's River to Charleston. This
took 27 hours and went OK but we arrived in dense fog.

After we visit son, DIL and grandchildren there, we went from
Charleston to the Cape Fear River. This avoids the Rockpile, and
Lockwood's Folly both plus the Sunset Beach bridge which is aground at
low tide. We were going to arrive at 3 am so we had to tack a bit to
slow down so that someone would be at the marina when we got there,
and this took us 23 hours.

We are considering offshore from Masonboro (where we are now - Saw 8.3
ft at Carolina Beach when the tide was almost high - 3.7 feet) to
Morehead City, but probably will not.


(muskrat) wrote:

Hi, Captain Rick,

Six feet on the ICW is always a risk, as you know, but I think you can
make it if you watch the tides.

Was last through Lockwoods in September while fleeing Hurricane
Isabelle and didn't have a problem. Granted I'm shallow draft, but I
don't recall any alarms going off. Shoaling there as well as at little
inlets from Sneads Ferry to Swansboro is definitely occurring, but the
tows and big shrimpers are passing by regularly and no doubt kicking
up the sand.

The secret will be to keep to the land side. In other words, go to
port at the first sign of trouble while heading north - especially
when traversing inlets - and even if this means getting uncomfortably
close to the west bank, and the coming spring tides should definitely
be an asset, as you already know.

The good news is that recent dredging projects just north of Camp
Lejeune, just south of Swansboro, and just south of Morehead have
removed problems there. My biggest worry would be, as always, the
stinking rock ledges between Barefoot Landing and Doc Holidays at
North Myrtle Beach.

Hope this helps, good sailing, and keep in touch.

Muskrat


grandma Rosalie

Rick Itenson April 21st 04 10:53 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:13:28 -0400, DSK wrote:

muskrat wrote:
Thanks for confirming report of an unmarked nasty something lurking
around the intersection of New River and the ICW.




I'm glad to see some sensible discussion of going outside. Why do so
many people buy heavy displacement "offshore" cruisers and then
putt-putt up and down the ICW? When we get an autopilot, I'm planning to
take the tugboat outside for as much of the route as feasible.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Doug,

It's all dependent on the weather for us. Rather than waiting 3 or 4
days for weather we'll go inside. However with more and more shoaling
I guess we'll be doing more and more waiting.

Rick
"Breathless"



Rick Itenson April 21st 04 10:53 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:13:28 -0400, DSK wrote:

muskrat wrote:
Thanks for confirming report of an unmarked nasty something lurking
around the intersection of New River and the ICW.




I'm glad to see some sensible discussion of going outside. Why do so
many people buy heavy displacement "offshore" cruisers and then
putt-putt up and down the ICW? When we get an autopilot, I'm planning to
take the tugboat outside for as much of the route as feasible.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Doug,

It's all dependent on the weather for us. Rather than waiting 3 or 4
days for weather we'll go inside. However with more and more shoaling
I guess we'll be doing more and more waiting.

Rick
"Breathless"



Rosalie B. April 22nd 04 06:38 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
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(Rick Itenson) wrote:

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:13:28 -0400, DSK wrote:

muskrat wrote:
Thanks for confirming report of an unmarked nasty something lurking
around the intersection of New River and the ICW.



We went aground today just south of Wrightsville Beach about mm 285.
In the channel on the red side. Pushed sideways a bit by wind and
incoming tide. When people waked us we would bounce but not high
enough to get off. Had to get TowBoatUS.

I'm glad to see some sensible discussion of going outside. Why do so
many people buy heavy displacement "offshore" cruisers and then
putt-putt up and down the ICW? When we get an autopilot, I'm planning to
take the tugboat outside for as much of the route as feasible.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Doug,

It's all dependent on the weather for us. Rather than waiting 3 or 4
days for weather we'll go inside. However with more and more shoaling
I guess we'll be doing more and more waiting.

Rick
"Breathless"


Sometimes it isn't just 3-4 days. This winter people waited weeks for
a window to go to the Bahamas. OTOH this past week or two it has
been almost perfect for someone going north to go offshore. I find
offshore very tiring though, and although we are anxious to get home,
we decided not to go from Masonboro to Beaufort.

grandma Rosalie

Rosalie B. April 22nd 04 06:38 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
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(Rick Itenson) wrote:

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:13:28 -0400, DSK wrote:

muskrat wrote:
Thanks for confirming report of an unmarked nasty something lurking
around the intersection of New River and the ICW.



We went aground today just south of Wrightsville Beach about mm 285.
In the channel on the red side. Pushed sideways a bit by wind and
incoming tide. When people waked us we would bounce but not high
enough to get off. Had to get TowBoatUS.

I'm glad to see some sensible discussion of going outside. Why do so
many people buy heavy displacement "offshore" cruisers and then
putt-putt up and down the ICW? When we get an autopilot, I'm planning to
take the tugboat outside for as much of the route as feasible.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Doug,

It's all dependent on the weather for us. Rather than waiting 3 or 4
days for weather we'll go inside. However with more and more shoaling
I guess we'll be doing more and more waiting.

Rick
"Breathless"


Sometimes it isn't just 3-4 days. This winter people waited weeks for
a window to go to the Bahamas. OTOH this past week or two it has
been almost perfect for someone going north to go offshore. I find
offshore very tiring though, and although we are anxious to get home,
we decided not to go from Masonboro to Beaufort.

grandma Rosalie

muskrat April 26th 04 08:11 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
Hey, Cap'n Doug,

Wounded boat was a late model Chris about 30', twin screws with glass
hull. Was surprised and pleased to see no hull damage.

And hey, Cap'n Rick,

Lovely s'westerly winds this weekend, but absolutely no water at low
tides. Worst I've seen since lunar new year. Waiting for the outside
sounds better all the time.

Good sailing to all,
muskrat

muskrat April 26th 04 08:11 PM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
Hey, Cap'n Doug,

Wounded boat was a late model Chris about 30', twin screws with glass
hull. Was surprised and pleased to see no hull damage.

And hey, Cap'n Rick,

Lovely s'westerly winds this weekend, but absolutely no water at low
tides. Worst I've seen since lunar new year. Waiting for the outside
sounds better all the time.

Good sailing to all,
muskrat

Rosalie B. April 28th 04 12:19 AM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
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(muskrat) wrote:

Hey, Captain Doug,

Thanks for confirming report of an unmarked nasty something lurking
around the intersection of New River and the ICW.

Last week another boater had a problem there - hit something which
ripped shaft from stuffing box and jammed prop into rudder. Nearly
sank and is still on the hill.

Will definitely be taking it slow through that area for quite a while
unless a marker magically appears. Fat chance!

May the wind be at your back,
muskrat


We got from Southport to Masonboro OK, and considered going outside
but did not. (We took a short day because of the long trip outside to
Southport which we still have not recovered from) We were basically
aground in Southport Marina at low tide, and so were the floating
docks. Bald Head apparently has no fuel at present.

On the way north the next day, right about MM 285 south of
Wrightsville Beach (opposite Shinn Creek) we ran hard aground in the
channel close to the red side. Had to get TowBoatUS to drag us off.
We got to Harbour Village Marina (another short day) without too much
other problems.

Today we did not run aground on the way to Swansboro. We transited
the New River area an near high tide (probably about 2.5 feet) and the
lowest depth we saw was 7 feet at the south red floater. Also 8 feet
at the south side of the inlet and 9 feet at the north red floater.
It was none-the-less stressful. Someone did come in to Swansboro
with a bent prop who had a draft of 3.5 feet (we draw 5 feet)

It was probably better that we not go outside though, as the marine
corp has been conducting live fire exercises off the coast 15 miles,
and today a warship had a fouled bore on one of the guns and was
having to tell sailboats to stay 15 nm away from him. We couldn't go
through the Onslow Beach bridge until noon, as has been the case each
of the last 3 days.

We are both quite tired and stressed, and will be glad to finally get
home.


grandma Rosalie

S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD
CSY 44 WO #156
http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id2.html

Rosalie B. April 28th 04 12:19 AM

Wilmington-New Bern Trip Report - Was NC Charts Wilmington to New Bern
 
x-no-archive:yes

(muskrat) wrote:

Hey, Captain Doug,

Thanks for confirming report of an unmarked nasty something lurking
around the intersection of New River and the ICW.

Last week another boater had a problem there - hit something which
ripped shaft from stuffing box and jammed prop into rudder. Nearly
sank and is still on the hill.

Will definitely be taking it slow through that area for quite a while
unless a marker magically appears. Fat chance!

May the wind be at your back,
muskrat


We got from Southport to Masonboro OK, and considered going outside
but did not. (We took a short day because of the long trip outside to
Southport which we still have not recovered from) We were basically
aground in Southport Marina at low tide, and so were the floating
docks. Bald Head apparently has no fuel at present.

On the way north the next day, right about MM 285 south of
Wrightsville Beach (opposite Shinn Creek) we ran hard aground in the
channel close to the red side. Had to get TowBoatUS to drag us off.
We got to Harbour Village Marina (another short day) without too much
other problems.

Today we did not run aground on the way to Swansboro. We transited
the New River area an near high tide (probably about 2.5 feet) and the
lowest depth we saw was 7 feet at the south red floater. Also 8 feet
at the south side of the inlet and 9 feet at the north red floater.
It was none-the-less stressful. Someone did come in to Swansboro
with a bent prop who had a draft of 3.5 feet (we draw 5 feet)

It was probably better that we not go outside though, as the marine
corp has been conducting live fire exercises off the coast 15 miles,
and today a warship had a fouled bore on one of the guns and was
having to tell sailboats to stay 15 nm away from him. We couldn't go
through the Onslow Beach bridge until noon, as has been the case each
of the last 3 days.

We are both quite tired and stressed, and will be glad to finally get
home.


grandma Rosalie

S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD
CSY 44 WO #156
http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id2.html


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