Well Popeye, here is what it is. You are truly talking out of your ass.
Recreational boats do not flush balast tanks. They occasionaly have to pump
bilges, but that is leaked water that has entered the hull through very
small orifaces and when that occurs , the transit distance that water
traveled is miniscule, which creates no species threat. Yet you have no
conscience in the denial of common sense rights to your fellow citizens.
Please give these listeners your logic on why we have to absorb the cost of
your ignorance without just reprisal? I for one, am outraged.
Steve

"Popeye" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:56:00 -0600, "Popeye"
said:

The lone Senator did the right thing.

Nice troll.

Ainagonna happen. Nor is Roger's parade of horribles going to happen. I'd
recommend a rereading of that classic Chicken Little.

I'd recommend reviewing the laws enacted by many of the states regarding
invasive species. The EPA rules are pretty watered down compared to what
states have already enacted. The lone Senator did do the right thing, he
spoke his conscience. If the goal of the EPA rules is to stop invasive
species, why should the vast number, or any number, of boaters be exempt
especially when these invasive species are shown to come from every type
of boater? If the goal is to punish business, then by all means sock it to
them but don't cry when goods become really expensive or unavailable.

As far as Roger's complaint of losing rights/freedoms they all went out
the window as soon as the boat hits the water. Under Federal Admiralty
Jurisdiction the citizen has almost no rights and certainly no right to
trial by jury, a Constitutional provision only valid on land.

Steve,

You asked some good questions of which I have already answered. Invasive
species can come from any boat, not just tankers or commercial boats. If the
object of the law is to reduce invasive species then all boats should take
the proper measures to mitigate the risk. The proposed modifications to the
EPA rules creates loopholes for low end commercial operations while
penalizing high end commercial operators. The rules do nothing to stop
invasive species for recreational boaters. This is so important that many
states have enacted mandatory inspections or impoundment of the boat. The
inspectors are armed in some states. Now if the states have taken such
action why is the federal gov't so lax? Go back and read the links I
provided in previous posts you'll see invasive species dont come exclusively
from commercial craft. I've seen game wardens inspect fishermen's boots for
invasive species. It's a serious problem that can cause tremendous economic
and environmental damage. I hope this helps to explain things.

"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message
...
Well Popeye, here is what it is. You are truly talking out of your ass.
Recreational boats do not flush balast tanks. They occasionaly have to
pump bilges, but that is leaked water that has entered the hull through
very small orifaces and when that occurs , the transit distance that water
traveled is miniscule, which creates no species threat. Yet you have no
conscience in the denial of common sense rights to your fellow citizens.
Please give these listeners your logic on why we have to absorb the cost
of your ignorance without just reprisal? I for one, am outraged.
Steve

"Popeye" wrote in message
...

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:56:00 -0600, "Popeye"
said:

The lone Senator did the right thing.

Nice troll.

Ainagonna happen. Nor is Roger's parade of horribles going to happen.
I'd
recommend a rereading of that classic Chicken Little.

I'd recommend reviewing the laws enacted by many of the states regarding
invasive species. The EPA rules are pretty watered down compared to what
states have already enacted. The lone Senator did do the right thing, he
spoke his conscience. If the goal of the EPA rules is to stop invasive
species, why should the vast number, or any number, of boaters be exempt
especially when these invasive species are shown to come from every type
of boater? If the goal is to punish business, then by all means sock it
to them but don't cry when goods become really expensive or unavailable.

As far as Roger's complaint of losing rights/freedoms they all went out
the window as soon as the boat hits the water. Under Federal Admiralty
Jurisdiction the citizen has almost no rights and certainly no right to
trial by jury, a Constitutional provision only valid on land.

"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message
...
Well Popeye, here is what it is. You are truly talking out of your ass.
Recreational boats do not flush balast tanks. They occasionaly have to
pump bilges, but that is leaked water that has entered the hull through
very small orifaces and when that occurs , the transit distance that water
traveled is miniscule, which creates no species threat. Yet you have no
conscience in the denial of common sense rights to your fellow citizens.
Please give these listeners your logic on why we have to absorb the cost
of your ignorance without just reprisal? I for one, am outraged.


Well, Steve, I'm afraid the outrage is just starting. Just you wait and see
what happens if Obama happens to gain the Presidency. The country will then
have a Democrat house and senate and the presidency.

Taxes will skyrocket. Energy will become even more scarce. The economy will
tank. More and more laws removing your rights, freedom, wallet and property
will quickly be passed. The country will take a giant leap towards socialism
the likes of that seen in the Soviet Union in its heyday - just prior to it
crumbling under its own weight as all communist countries do sooner rather
than later.

Yes with Obama at the helm the looters will have free reign to steal the
citizenry blind. Regulate them to death and this great country of ours will
have a law on the books so you can be arrested or taxed or fined for
everything you do. It's likely to make breathing illegal as it is a source
of CO2 which the liberal courts have defined as a pollutant.

You need a permit for rain running off your boat's deck? Next you'll need to
pay for a permit to legally breathe. It's coming. So get your boat ready to
leave this country before it goes completely down the tubes and martial law
is declared and you are locked in. It's going to come to that if the
Democrats get their way. Believe it!

--
Gregory Hall