http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk1o6...eature=related

On Jul 3, 8:47*am, "Kapt Krunch" wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk1o6...eature=related

Lets start with the not so obvious

Look at the helm's sun glasses. They should be a yellow-amber color to
increase contrast. The dark lense he has simply darkens his view and
deminshes contrast. Along with his very stylish clothing choices he
screams, "I am more concerned with style and looking good than
function. Right there I would place that guy in with all the rest of
the fu fu wanna look good girly men. When my sole means of motor
transportaiton was a Norton motorcycle we had a saying, "if it dont go
crome it" That is what the helm has accomplised. You wanna be impotant
ya gotta look impotant.

2 cant tell by the video quality but look at the dark line on the
horrizon. appears to be a "squall line" or front conditions. What
comes along with that condition?

3 sailing with seas on the STB quarter.

4 speed 10.8+ knots

5 at least the main was reefed

6 notice the sea conditions were not bad. infact, I would rate the
Beaufort Sea State as: a rather nice day for sailing. that is, no
breaking seas.

7 notice the constant helm corrections. this suggests a rather
squrrley boat... given the condition. probably has a fin keel and a
huge hung rudder. both designed for nimble turning

8 the planets aligne: an expected, larger than normal wave shows up,
the boat is all ready rounding up because of all of the above (1-7),
got on top of the wave and caught the wind in the main that finished
the job the helm put together.

The sun glasses are an accurate predictor of this event...........

Bob

"Bob" wrote in message
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On Jul 3, 8:47 am, "Kapt Krunch" wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk1o6...eature=related

Lets start with the not so obvious

Look at the helm's sun glasses. They should be a yellow-amber color to
increase contrast. The dark lense he has simply darkens his view and
deminshes contrast. Along with his very stylish clothing choices he
screams, "I am more concerned with style and looking good than
function. Right there I would place that guy in with all the rest of
the fu fu wanna look good girly men. When my sole means of motor
transportaiton was a Norton motorcycle we had a saying, "if it dont go
crome it" That is what the helm has accomplised. You wanna be impotant
ya gotta look impotant.

2 cant tell by the video quality but look at the dark line on the
horrizon. appears to be a "squall line" or front conditions. What
comes along with that condition?

3 sailing with seas on the STB quarter.

4 speed 10.8+ knots

5 at least the main was reefed

6 notice the sea conditions were not bad. infact, I would rate the
Beaufort Sea State as: a rather nice day for sailing. that is, no
breaking seas.

7 notice the constant helm corrections. this suggests a rather
squrrley boat... given the condition. probably has a fin keel and a
huge hung rudder. both designed for nimble turning

8 the planets aligne: an expected, larger than normal wave shows up,
the boat is all ready rounding up because of all of the above (1-7),
got on top of the wave and caught the wind in the main that finished
the job the helm put together.

The sun glasses are an accurate predictor of this event...........

Bob


You are a genius!

On Jul 3, 10:34*am, "Kapt Krunch" wrote:

Bob

You are a genius!

Thank you..... thank you very much.

Senario No.2

The weight in the boat is all forward: chain in bow, holding tank full
of ****, water tanks 1/2 full with lots of free surface etc.
When on top of the wave given the weight distribution its a fast round
up and beam to the sea.......... Eeeek !

Either way, a dead give-a-way is the constant helm corrections.
somthing aint right.
Bob

"Bob" wrote in message
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Either way, a dead give-a-way is the constant helm corrections.
somthing aint right.
Bob


What ain't right is your absurd assumptions about the constant helm
corrections. There is no modern, high performance sailboat with fin
keel/spade rudder combo that doesn't need constant helm corrections when
running with the seas on or abaft the quarter. It's the nature of the beast.
Duh!

If there is anything physically wrong with that boat it's the gear ratio of
the wheel and the wheel itself. It needs to be rotated way too far to effect
any sort of meaningful course change. That broach would not have happened
with a tiller-steered vessel. A helmsman sitting sideways in the boat
doesn't have his back to weather like that fool has and a tiller moves the
rudder a significant amount instantaneously with great feedback.

Now, this brings up the even greater folly of a pilot house where the
helmsman is even more isolated from the elements.

Get back to basics for safe and successful sailing. Haven't any of you
learned anything from the unnecessary loss of the "Red Cloud?"


Wilbur Hubbard

On Jul 3, 3:14*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message

Either way, a dead give-a-way is the constant helm corrections.
somthing aint right.
Bob

What ain't right is your absurd assumptions about the constant helm
corrections. There is no modern, high performance sailboat with fin
keel/spade rudder combo that doesn't need constant helm corrections when
running with the seas on or abaft the quarter. It's the nature of the beast.
Duh!

Wilbur Hubbard

two comments Wilbur:
1, I agree the boat type is absurd and simply not a safe designe for
most people. still a helm should not have to drive a boat that much.
It an indacation somthin aint ballanced right. my boat handled a bit
that way too. but i had 300+ pounds of chain and a 45lb anchor in the
bow.......

2., I belive the correct tem is simply "quarter". No other language is
needed to give that area on a vessel meaning.
but your use may be a local dialect. I other words, locate the
"quarters" on a vessel.
But i got your idea. those kind of boats are dangerous in an amature's
hands.
bob

"Kapt Krunch" wrote in message
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk1o6...eature=related


What the helmsman did wrong is he broached. From the direction of the waves
it appears he was broad reaching. Yet he never even bothered looking behind
to check for rogue or misdirected waves. Instead he was posing for the
camera trying to look cool. In other words imagining how great he was going
to look on video and not paying attention to the real job at hand. When one
particularly large wave hit him on the quarter it slewed the boat around.

He should have been paying attention to the waves approaching on the
quarter. All he would have to have done is steered so as to have the wave
approach directly from astern. Dummy!

Wilbur Hubbard

On 2008-07-03 12:47:10 -0400, "Kapt Krunch" said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk1o6...eature=related

Gawd! He was looking *down* at the instruments, sailing *them* not the boat!

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Jere Lull
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 04:41:48 GMT, in message
2008070800414850073-jerelull@maccom
Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-07-03 12:47:10 -0400, "Kapt Krunch" said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk1o6...eature=related

Gawd! He was looking *down* at the instruments, sailing *them* not the boat!

I like my instruments and find them useful in making the boat perform.
I don't know what he was looking at, but we saw that most of the
instruments were mounted forward where he could see them without
losing the larger forward view.

Still, he needed to be looking over his shoulder and setting the
rudder before it loaded up. That late response did no good and
probably ate some life out of the rudder bearings. I also wonder why
the main trimmer wasn't dumping the main when rudder control was lost.
Maybe s/he was the one with the camera.

The amount of steering action didn't look odd to me, even for a fairly
conservative boat with a keel aspect ratio of 1. It might have been
easier to steer with less lift surface up high and more weight at the
bottom.

Other than that, it looked like a great downhill ride, although the
boat looked like it should be surfing faster than 10 in those
conditions.

Mind you, my perspective is biased towards going fast and spinning out
now and then.

Ryk