LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Prev Previous Post   Next Post Next
  #32   Report Post  
JimB
 
Posts: n/a
Default push vs pull vis a vis rudders


Brian Whatcott wrote in message
...
On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:24:46 +0100, "JimB"
wrote:

An experimental rig for visualizing fluid flow over
rudders etc., is easy to make and provably representative of

2-D flow.
snip
At the top of the incline, permanganate crystals trail stream

lines
down the incline.


Nice little touch!

This is an easy way to show the "molecules give lift by hitting

the
proximal surface" enthusiasts how fluid dynamics really works.
(about two thirds of the side force from the distal surface,

and one
third from the proximal surface.) You can work it out from the
streamline spacing over both surfaces.


OK. This is straightforward foil in a free flow. It confirms the
point (among others) that pressure drop and speed change are
linked.

However, our steering rudder in reverse is a foil in (lets call
it) convergent flow, where, if the pivot was actually at the prop
origin, the flow lines would always be along the rudder with no
deflection. As the rudder moves away, then stream deflections
occur, but the speeds (and forces) drop right off, and the flo is
funny too, showing a strong s bend.

And on top of all of that, my fundamental momentum theory sais
that all this input water is starting at zero velocity relative
to the boat, but exiting the prop with a new velocity. So up
stream action (rudder angle) would only have an effect if it
changed the downstream velocity.

This is quite feasible, since output velocity is not constrained
(as from a hosepipe - Ugh - Feyneman again) and if there's a
lateral component at the input end, I'm thinking it would be
present at the output end. An extreme model is looking at an
elliptical duct on the input side canted at an angle to the prop.
So I'll go away and get my brain around that idea to see where it
takes me. It does remove the need to think about all the various
forces on rudder, prop, hull etc and their interactions and
connections in a complex pressure field.

JimB



 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules

Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Angle of prop shaft - theoretical question. Gary Warner General 103 June 18th 04 05:32 AM
Which way do I turn the torque fin to compensate for the pull? mono sect General 7 June 2nd 04 01:08 PM
Where to find ramp stories? designo General 15 December 9th 03 08:57 PM
Push starting your boat Parallax Cruising 20 October 22nd 03 03:23 PM
Yamaha 100hp pull start Tovey Family General 5 October 4th 03 09:26 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:47 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 BoatBanter.com.
The comments are property of their posters.
 

About Us

"It's about Boats"

 

Copyright © 2017