Boat Problem Question
 

We are back home because we have an intermittent problem and decided
to come back to deal with it rather than wait and be stuck somewhere.

What is the problem?

Bob has his idea, but I'd like any alternate opinions.

We were motor sailing along, as the breeze basically died (although it
was from the predicted direction), and I was in the aft cabin when
suddenly it sounded to me as if the engine was running away. I went
up into the cockpit and said to Bob "What is that noise", and he said
there was someone coming up behind us. (We can't see directly behind
us due to stuff on the aft deck.) But I looked and there was no one
there. Bob slacked off the throttle and then cautiously came back to
speed and the noise was gone.

This happened about twice more. The gauges never moved during this
time - RPMs were the same, oil pressure normal, engine temperature
normal (and Bob checked that with the infrared gauge), engine charging
as normal. Bob checked the bilges and looked in the engine
compartment and saw nothing amiss. The engine continued to run as
normal between times.

We got to Crisfield just after 7 and tied up and went to dinner at the
Cove (wonderful dinner) and then we had a thunderstorm.

So yesterday, we were planning to go down to Cape Charles and decided
that was too far under the circumstances and were going to divert to
Deltaville. This happened once more, so we came home instead.

So what do you think this is?

Boat Problem Question
 

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:49:34 -0400, Rosalie B.
wrote:

We are back home because we have an intermittent problem and decided
to come back to deal with it rather than wait and be stuck somewhere.

What is the problem?

Bob has his idea, but I'd like any alternate opinions.

We were motor sailing along, as the breeze basically died (although it
was from the predicted direction), and I was in the aft cabin when
suddenly it sounded to me as if the engine was running away. I went
up into the cockpit and said to Bob "What is that noise", and he said
there was someone coming up behind us. (We can't see directly behind
us due to stuff on the aft deck.) But I looked and there was no one
there. Bob slacked off the throttle and then cautiously came back to
speed and the noise was gone.

This happened about twice more. The gauges never moved during this
time - RPMs were the same, oil pressure normal, engine temperature
normal (and Bob checked that with the infrared gauge), engine charging
as normal. Bob checked the bilges and looked in the engine
compartment and saw nothing amiss. The engine continued to run as
normal between times.

We got to Crisfield just after 7 and tied up and went to dinner at the
Cove (wonderful dinner) and then we had a thunderstorm.

So yesterday, we were planning to go down to Cape Charles and decided
that was too far under the circumstances and were going to divert to
Deltaville. This happened once more, so we came home instead.

So what do you think this is?

Too bad you didn't record the sound. Since you said the gauges all
read no change in engine operation (boat speed didn't change?)
what could account for the sound?
I don't know boat drive trains, but have run across something similar
in a car. Traveling on the highway, there were occasional times when
something close to an "engine racing" sound would occur. Speed and
normal engine operation said otherwise, and the sound emanated from
the right side of the engine compartment. It was very obvious and
accompanied by some vibration. I suspected the CV joint.
I was wrong. Soon after the noise started occurring, the alternator
failed, and when it was replaced the noise was gone permanently.
Hopefully, it's something so minor for you.
You really have to pinpoint the source of the sound.
Again assuming engine operation remains steady, the exhaust system is
another place to look at.

--Vic

Boat Problem Question
 

Rosalie B. wrote:
....
We were motor sailing along, as the breeze basically died (although it
was from the predicted direction), and I was in the aft cabin when
suddenly it sounded to me as if the engine was running away.
....


Was it an exhaust type sound, which could be an exhaust leak or header
problem, or a mechanical sound, like a water pump or even alternator
bearing? Was there a vibration with it? As the Car Talk guys would
say, "Can you make the sound for us?"

Boat Problem Question
 

We had something very similar happen to us. Our PSS shaft seal makes
a gawd-awful noise when it get's a little air trapped in the shaft
log. It took me a while to track down the noise, but it went away
when we throttled back a bit until we could determine the source. If
you have a PSS shaft seal try burping it.

Boat Problem Question
 

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
We are back home because we have an intermittent problem and decided
to come back to deal with it rather than wait and be stuck somewhere.

What is the problem?

Bob has his idea, but I'd like any alternate opinions.

We were motor sailing along, as the breeze basically died (although it
was from the predicted direction), and I was in the aft cabin when
suddenly it sounded to me as if the engine was running away. I went
up into the cockpit and said to Bob "What is that noise", and he said
there was someone coming up behind us. (We can't see directly behind
us due to stuff on the aft deck.) But I looked and there was no one
there. Bob slacked off the throttle and then cautiously came back to
speed and the noise was gone.

This happened about twice more. The gauges never moved during this
time - RPMs were the same, oil pressure normal, engine temperature
normal (and Bob checked that with the infrared gauge), engine charging
as normal. Bob checked the bilges and looked in the engine
compartment and saw nothing amiss. The engine continued to run as
normal between times.

We got to Crisfield just after 7 and tied up and went to dinner at the
Cove (wonderful dinner) and then we had a thunderstorm.

So yesterday, we were planning to go down to Cape Charles and decided
that was too far under the circumstances and were going to divert to
Deltaville. This happened once more, so we came home instead.

So what do you think this is?



Helicopter or airplane most likely.

Wilbur Hubbard

Boat Problem Question
 

"Helicopter or airplane most likely."

That is so stupid it's actually funny!
right Wilbur/Gregory/???, they're being tracked by black, attack
helicopters.
They're being targeted for extermination.
As I have friends in high places, I've taken them off the hit list and
replaced their names with yours!!

Boat Problem Question
 

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
We are back home because we have an intermittent problem and decided
to come back to deal with it rather than wait and be stuck somewhere.

What is the problem?

Bob has his idea, but I'd like any alternate opinions.

We were motor sailing along, as the breeze basically died (although it
was from the predicted direction), and I was in the aft cabin when
suddenly it sounded to me as if the engine was running away. I went
up into the cockpit and said to Bob "What is that noise", and he said
there was someone coming up behind us. (We can't see directly behind
us due to stuff on the aft deck.) But I looked and there was no one
there. Bob slacked off the throttle and then cautiously came back to
speed and the noise was gone.

This happened about twice more. The gauges never moved during this
time - RPMs were the same, oil pressure normal, engine temperature
normal (and Bob checked that with the infrared gauge), engine charging
as normal. Bob checked the bilges and looked in the engine
compartment and saw nothing amiss. The engine continued to run as
normal between times.

We got to Crisfield just after 7 and tied up and went to dinner at the
Cove (wonderful dinner) and then we had a thunderstorm.

So yesterday, we were planning to go down to Cape Charles and decided
that was too far under the circumstances and were going to divert to
Deltaville. This happened once more, so we came home instead.

So what do you think this is?



Helicopter or airplane most likely.

Wilbur Hubbard


I don't know what type of boat you have, but I have notice the some
frequencies resonate in my hull, when some motor boats come near. You
hear the boat in the distance but you also hear the boat noise
resonating in the hull. What you described could be the sound resonating.

Boat Problem Question
 

jeff wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote:
...
We were motor sailing along, as the breeze basically died (although it
was from the predicted direction), and I was in the aft cabin when
suddenly it sounded to me as if the engine was running away.
...

Was it an exhaust type sound, which could be an exhaust leak or header
problem, or a mechanical sound, like a water pump or even alternator
bearing? Was there a vibration with it? As the Car Talk guys would
say, "Can you make the sound for us?"

I thought it sounded like a racing engine as if the transmission had
gone wild. Yes there was vibration.

Bob (after he got over the idea that it was a big boat following us)
said it was a lot of vibration which you could hear better in the aft
cabin. He thinks it is the cutlass bearing that is shot, which will
require that we haul the boat to check and if that is it to replace
it. He will have to take off the prop which will be a pain as it is a
MaxProp

Boat Problem Question
 

Keith nuttle wrote:

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
We are back home because we have an intermittent problem and decided
to come back to deal with it rather than wait and be stuck somewhere.

What is the problem?

Bob has his idea, but I'd like any alternate opinions.

We were motor sailing along, as the breeze basically died (although it
was from the predicted direction), and I was in the aft cabin when
suddenly it sounded to me as if the engine was running away. I went
up into the cockpit and said to Bob "What is that noise", and he said
there was someone coming up behind us. (We can't see directly behind
us due to stuff on the aft deck.) But I looked and there was no one
there. Bob slacked off the throttle and then cautiously came back to
speed and the noise was gone.

This happened about twice more. The gauges never moved during this
time - RPMs were the same, oil pressure normal, engine temperature
normal (and Bob checked that with the infrared gauge), engine charging
as normal. Bob checked the bilges and looked in the engine
compartment and saw nothing amiss. The engine continued to run as
normal between times.

We got to Crisfield just after 7 and tied up and went to dinner at the
Cove (wonderful dinner) and then we had a thunderstorm.

So yesterday, we were planning to go down to Cape Charles and decided
that was too far under the circumstances and were going to divert to
Deltaville. This happened once more, so we came home instead.

So what do you think this is?



Helicopter or airplane most likely.

Wilbur Hubbard


I don't know what type of boat you have, but I have notice the some
frequencies resonate in my hull, when some motor boats come near. You
hear the boat in the distance but you also hear the boat noise
resonating in the hull. What you described could be the sound resonating.

There were no airplanes or helicopters. We were looking because there
were (off in the distance) some menhaden boats and they sometimes have
a spotter plane, but I guess fuel is too expensive now. And we were
also looking because of being near some of the targets. But no
planes. And no other boats nearby. Bob at first thought we might
have picked up a crab pot, but there weren't any of those around
either.

Boat Problem Question
 

Rosalie B. wrote in
:

So what do you think this is?



As it's "behind the boat", I'd like to closely check the cutlass bearing.
They can make some horrible noises if something gets inside them or they
are wearing out. Their sounds radiate through the hull up the back of the
boat and I've heard their chatter sound like someone coming up behind the
boat before.

Worth having the diver take a look. Your hull needs scrubbing anyways I
can see from way over here....(c;

Boat Problem Question
 

Larry wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote in
:

So what do you think this is?



As it's "behind the boat", I'd like to closely check the cutlass bearing.
They can make some horrible noises if something gets inside them or they
are wearing out. Their sounds radiate through the hull up the back of the
boat and I've heard their chatter sound like someone coming up behind the
boat before.

Worth having the diver take a look. Your hull needs scrubbing anyways I
can see from way over here....(c;

That's what Bob said - cutlass bearing. And we are going to have the
boat hauled to see/replace. But your eyesight is faulty - we just put
the boat in the water about 2 weeks ago - stuff doesn't grow quite
that fast around here.

Boat Problem Question
 

Rosalie B. wrote in
:

But your eyesight is faulty - we just put
the boat in the water about 2 weeks ago - stuff doesn't grow quite
that fast around here.



Oh, sorry. It must have been all that new bottom paint I could see
reflected off the bottom......(c;

Cruise to Crisfield the Crabcake Capitol was Boat Problem Question [Long]
 

Larry wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote in
:

But your eyesight is faulty - we just put
the boat in the water about 2 weeks ago - stuff doesn't grow quite
that fast around here.

Oh, sorry. It must have been all that new bottom paint I could see
reflected off the bottom......(c;

That's OK g

This is the rest of the story

I decided that we could go out Wednesday and come back Monday as I
thought I had a doctor's appointment on Tuesday. Actually it was
Monday afternoon, but I thought it was Tuesday because my last
doctor's appointment (dermatologist) was on Tuesday. The
dermatologist gave me a clean bill of health, but emphasized that with
two close relatives with melanomas (Bob and me), all of my children
should get seen ASAP if they have not done so.

The last time I suggested going out, Bob said it was too hot and no
wind. This time the weather was going to be cool and the wind from
the north and west for two days and then turn around and be from the
south. So I thought - go south and then come back north with the
north wind and we'd have a couple of nice days.

So Tuesday I spent researching where we could go to the south, and
I've always wanted to go to Cape Charles and also see the Cape Charles
Light. I didn't realize at the time though, how far south that would
be. So I called a few marinas, and made some reservations. The
marina guy in Cape Charles said it was only 35 miles from Crisfield,
so that would be OK I thought.

Wednesday morning, I still had to shower and pack, and most important
- set the computers up for the trip. I wanted to put the old Toshiba
(Windows 98) in an old computer bag and couldn't find the bag, and I
also needed to be sure that the secondary computer would not be asking
to update the virus definitions automatically when it wasn't attached
to the internet as that makes it freeze.

Of course Bob was impatient to be gone. We did get everything loaded
on the boat and got underway about noon (which was my goal). We were
intending to go to Crisfield. Our main navigation computer got drowned
in Onancock last Labor Day in a storm (we went to dinner and it hadn't
rained in days so we didn't have the boat closed up - my bad). We
haven't used the Toshiba for navigation recently (because it has a
habit of stopping in the middle and just displaying the Toshiba
screen), none of the recent routes and tracks are on it , and I had no
previous track to put on for Bob to follow, so I made a route which
went through the Kedges Straits so I could get a better look at
Solomon's Lump lighthouse.

We motor sailed (the wind was more or less in the predicted direction
but was light at 5 to 9 knots but it was on the tail instead of on the
nose) down the Potomac, and I finally went below and took a nap
because I was tired from all the flurry of leaving. One of the nose
pieces came off of my glasses. When I came up, I saw that we were
not going to be close enough to either Smith Point or Point Lookout
for pictures. Bob said he couldn't fix my glasses without some glue.
About 14:45, we saw six of the small Naval Academy boats (can't
remember what Bob called them) steaming up the bay in formation with
their flags flying. I went down into the aft cabin to read. That's
when the first noise happened.

But we were in the middle of the Chesapeake, so we continued. From
15:15 to 15:30, we were passing the target ship Old Hannibal (a
bombing site), and I took some pictures, and then we saw two different
spiders, one of which was the Holland Island Bar ATON. I'm not sure
what the other one was

We didn't get to Holland Island itself - that is a small marshy piece
of land to the west of South Marsh Island. Its western side faces the
Chesapeake Bay and its east side faces Holland Straits. All sides of
the one and one-half mile long island are surrounded by shallow water
of from one to three feet of depth. It sounds like an interesting
place to go to if we had he appropriate boat for it - it would have to
be a dinghy I guess.

Having the only trees within an eight-mile radius, Holland Island has
several large heron rookeries and hundreds of other shorebirds and
waterfowl also nest here - egrets, curlues, oyster catchers, ospreys,
mallards and black ducks, geese, swan, gulls, terns and now even bald
eagles make their nests the island. Diamondback terrapins lay their
eggs on the sand bars and thousands of fiddler crabs reside in the
cord grass. Some unlikely visitors also come to the island from time
to time. Whitetailed deer sometimes swim across miles of open water to
feed there.

Settled in the last decades of the 1600s, by 1910 approximately 360
people lived on the distinct ridges of high ground. There were
several general stores, a grade school, church, Red Men's Hall, post
office, a full-time doctor and minister, and a thriving fleet of
workboats, including schooners and 55 skipjacks. A typical home was
roomy with many windows for the family to keep an eye on the sails of
the boats working in the distance and to provide light during the
daylight hours.

By 1920 the erosion from wind and tide was taking its toll on the
island's bay (west) side. By 1922 most of the residents of Holland
Island were forced to leave. Many residents moved their homes, piece
by piece, to mainland sites. Today, only one home remains. The
island's size has been reduced by erosion from approximately 160 acres
in 1915 to approximately 80 acres today. Many former residents still
rest in the island's burial sites. Two graveyards are left on the
island, and one has been lost beneath the waves. Some families moved
their loved-one's remains before they were claimed by the sea to the
graveyard beside the old church. Of the two remaining burial sites
there is a family plot of a dozen graves. The other, is the main
cemetery with over 50 graves.

We did see the Holland Island Bar spider. This automated beacon which
was placed here on the screwpile foundation of the previous lighthouse
by the Coast Guard in 1960.

The original ATON here was a hexagonal screwpile light which was built
in 1899 on Holland Island Bar to mark the approach to the Kedges
Straits. Since Holland Island Bar was located in the center of the bay
its relative isolation made it a more difficult assignment than some
of the other bay lights. In the winter of 1917-1918, assistant keeper
W. F. McDorican struggled alone for a month to keep the light
operational, despite terrible snowstorms and ice. Head keeper C. C.
Tyler had gone ashore just prior to the storms, and was unable to
return once the weather turned foul. An exhausted McDorican finally
conceded and walked from the lighthouse across the frozen bay to
Holland Island.

Holland Island Bar's isolation also contributed to the mystery
surrounding the death of keeper Ullman Owens in 1931. Keeper Owens,
who had served since 1911, was last seen alive on March 11, 1931.
Shortly afterwards, keeper Henry Sterling of Solomons Lump light
observed that Holland Island Bar was not lit. Sterling's light was not
equipped with a radio, so Sterling had to wait until a vessel came
within hailing distance to communicate his concerns. Sterling finally
was able to flag down the Winnie and Estelle, whose first mate, H. J.
Garner, agreed to check on the keeper. On the way, Garner was joined
by oyster boat captain John Tawes Tyler of Crisfield.

Garner and Tyler arrived at the Holland Island Bar light to find a
horrific and bizarre scene. Keeper Ullman was dead in the kitchen. The
kitchen was in disarray, as if there had been an altercation. There
were blood stains throughout the station, and a bloody butcher's knife
near Ullman's body. Despite the blood, there was no visible sign of
any gunshots or stab wounds on Ullman's body - only scrapes and
bruises.

A later autopsy revealed that Ullman suffered a cracked skull - a far
more severe injury than identified in the initial examination. On May
12, federal agent C. J. Callahan testified that he overheard Guy
Parkhurst, arrested for rum running, say "There go the rats that
turned us in. Well, the lighthouse keeper got in the headlines. We did
that. What these rats get will be worse."

Further complicating matters was that Ullman had several girlfriends -
two of whom left their husbands. Some surmised that one of the
ex-husbands was responsible for the keeper's demise. Ultimately,
however, the investigation was closed as the autopsy revealed an
enlarged heart - symptomatic of heart disease. The ruling that Ullman
died of natural causes stood, and the case was closed.

In another incident, a Japanese freighter collided with the lighthouse
on a particularly foggy day. Fortunately, the freighter did not hit
the lighthouse squarely - the freighter rolled off and continued on
course.

Further misfortune befell the lighthouse on the night of February 19,
1957. Nearby, an old grounded hull of the Hannibal was frequently used
as target practice by pilots at the nearby Navy stations. One night,
three pilots confused the lighthouse for the hulk. Flares were dropped
at the "target" site, and three ADSN Skyraiders fired seven five-inch
rockets - three of which hit the lighthouse. Fortunately, the practice
rockets did not carry explosives, but they still managed to tear holes
in the walls and cut several of the cast-iron legs. The keepers
radioed the Coast Guard, and the lighthouse was evacuated. The next
day, shaken but unhurt, the four Coastguardsmen returned to the
station to begin repairs.

We approached and passed Solomon's Lump around 1700. This is a
strange looking lighthouse - it has a tower on one side of a caisson
that is much bigger. This site originally had another screwpile
lighthouse which was built in 1875, But in 1893, that lighthouse was
destroyed by pressures from the winter ice. Although it was not swept
away, the Lighthouse Board reported the structure “was pushed over so
that part of it is submerged. Instead of building another screwpile
light, the board opted for a caisson design.

Solomons Lump Lighthouse is one of only eleven light structures in the
United States sunk by the pneumatic process. This meant that water was
pumped out of a chamber in the lower reaches of the caisson, so that
workers could enter and move dirt and sand away from the caisson’s
‘cutting edge.’ At the same time, this edge was pushed farther down
into the shoal by the addition of concrete and stone weight in the
cast iron cylinder. A twenty-five foot tall, octagonal brick keeper’s
dwelling was built atop the cylinder. This dwelling was built around a
square brick lantern tower, which formed two of the eight sides of the
house.

Before the installation of radio and telephone technology in the 1920s
there was no way for the keepers to communicated with the mainland.
The keepers were forced to make an eight-mile journey in a small skiff
for shore leave, and the opportunity to visit family was seldom
delayed except in extreme weather. During the service of keeper Henry
Columbus Sterling, who oversaw the lighthouse from 1900 to 1937,
keepers worked for one week and had shore leave for one week. This
meant that Sterling had to take four trips to and from the shore a
month, which he made in a tiny sailboat.

In 1936, shortly before Sterling retired at age 65, there was a great
freeze and the Jane’s Island light was swept away by ice. Sterling’s
son, concerned for his father’s safety, climbed atop the Ice Plant in
Crisfield in a desperate attempt to determine if the lighthouse was
still standing. Although the light still shone, Sterling had in fact
abandoned the station and walked across the heavy ice to the safety of
Smith Island (much like his predecessors had done in 1893, when the
first station was wrecked). Sterling had initially been unwilling to
escape the potential danger, but was ordered to abandon via a note,
which was dropped to him from a plane.

Solomons Lump was converted to unmanned status in April of 1950, and
the keeper's house deteriorated and was demolished. The tower is
still there though, and it looks peculiar.

During the nomination in 1996 of the Solomons Lump Lighthouse for the
National Register of Historic Places, it was concluded that the
station was not eligible as the "station's integrity was compromised
when the integral keeper's quarters was demolished."

I called Somers Cove Marina where we had a reservation to ask them
what would happen if we got in after 1900, and they gave me a slip
assignment and the number of the night watchwoman. I asked if we
could just tie up to the bulkhead, and they said that the end of D
dock was open, so I said I'd take that. I figured it would be easier.
They didn't think that it would be past 7 if we were in Kedges
Straits.

And I thought we might make it too. We were at the Jane Island light
by 6:30. But we didn't get to the entrance channel to the harbor
until 7:10. So I called the night watchlady, and she helped us tie
up and brought us the information packet with the gate combination
numbers. Bob tipped her $5.00. We asked if the Original Captains
Galley were open and they said not, but the Cove WAS open.

We stuck everything below and locked up and went to walk over to the
Cove. We were passing some people with foam take-away boxes in their
hands, and I asked where they had eaten and they said the Cove and it
was excellent, but they were closing in 10 minutes (at 2000). So we
hurried up.

This was the restaurant where Bob really liked the crab cakes so he
ordered a one crab cake dinner for $15.99, and I got the special which
was Crab Imperial with two sides for $9.99. We both got asparagus
which was the vegetable of the day as one of our sides, and Bob got
cole slaw and I got potato salad. They brought us two biscuits which
tasted like they had honey butter in them and two that were made with
pumpkin or sweet potato. My crab imperial proved to be a crab cake
with a rich topping on it which tasted by itself like a cheese and
tartar sauce custard. I could only eat half of it and got it in a box
to go. We had virgin pina coladas for dessert ($3.99 each). Still a
fairly cheap dinner and really good.

We walked back to the boat. I noticed that there was a restaurant
open in the next block which had a second floor with a kind of
lighthouse thing on the top and there was a flashing light in it. We
made our beds up and Bob tuned the TV to the new digital channels
through the antenna rather than setting up the satellite TV receiver.
We got 5 or 6 channels really nice and clear.

When he looked at the weather, he said that it looked like we were
going to get a thunderstorm and maybe he should put the cockpit
curtains down. So he did that. And we did get a storm with a lot of
lightening and thunder and the electricity went off for a brief moment
or two. I was doing the route to the Cape Charles marina on the
computer, and it turned out to be over 50 miles. So I asked Bob if we
shouldn't forget going there and just to go Deltaville instead. He
agreed.

I downloaded my pictures and edited them, and then went to sleep and
slept soundly all night.

Cruise to Crisfield the Crabcake Capitol was Boat Problem Question [Long]
 

Rosalie B. wrote in
:

I decided that we could go out Wednesday and come back Monday as I
thought I had a doctor's appointment on Tuesday. Actually it was
Monday afternoon, but I thought it was Tuesday because my last
doctor's appointment (dermatologist) was on Tuesday. The
dermatologist gave me a clean bill of health, but emphasized that with
two close relatives with melanomas (Bob and me), all of my children
should get seen ASAP if they have not done so.


You're much healthier as soon as you stop seeing doctors.....

My grandmother was told by her doctor she would die within the year when
she was 61, a year younger than I am now. I have 3 eye witnesses that
saw her lean over her doctor's casket when she was 86 and said to his
corpse, "Doc, you were wrong!" The healthy thing she did the very day he
told her that was to go home and flush about $5000 in expensive
prescription drugs down the toilet, never taking even a Tylenol after
that day. She never went back to the doctor's office. She died of old
age at 92.

My parents were both hypochondriacs that doctors created to get insurance
money to buy cars and waterfront property for them for decades. Doctors
kept both of them sick as dogs to keep them heading to that weekly
appointment or to the hospital for checkin every month or so. There was
about $20,000 in an amazing array of drugs in my father's home when I was
cleaning it out after he died. Parks Pharmacy in Orangeburg, SC,
suffered a terrible setback in revenues, about $3500/month, from his
death. He lived on drugs and baloney sandwiches, the only food his
destroyed digestive tract from the chemical soup he ate could tolerate in
tiny quantities. My mother was addicted to Phillips Milk of Magnesia.
She died, eventually, from Parkinson's Disease, which is far too
profitable to cure. Each pill grosses $180. Eat the pills or shake to
death. You pay until it consumes you.

Somehow I managed to survive only visiting one doctor in the mid 1980's
to have a kidney stone removed, caused by the elemental calcium load in
Charleston's city water supply. I drink only home distilled, carbon
filtered water, now, and have been free of chemical poisoning from the
chlorides, bromides, flourides government agents pump into public water
supplies to reduce Social Security payments, and the kidney stones the
elemental calcium filled my kidneys with ever since.

Next time you're waiting for your insurance fleecing, think of my motto:
"Well People Don't Buy Waterfront Properties." (for the medical
professionals)....

My hatred for the medical profession started in grade school when I
worked at a Rexall Drug Store in our little town and watched them turn
normally sane people into dependent slaves.

I missed my doctor's appointment, too, back in 1986. I never saw him,
again. I have two other friends, one who is over 80. He hasn't seen a
doctor in over 60 years! He's fine, but old and will die some day, just
like everyone else, but in peace without chemical dependencies.

Cruise to Crisfield the Crabcake Capitol was Boat Problem Question [Long]
 

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
Larry wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote in
m:

But your eyesight is faulty - we just put
the boat in the water about 2 weeks ago - stuff doesn't grow quite
that fast around here.

Oh, sorry. It must have been all that new bottom paint I could see
reflected off the bottom......(c;

That's OK g

This is the rest of the story

I decided that we could go out Wednesday and come back Monday as I
thought I had a doctor's appointment on Tuesday. Actually it was
Monday afternoon, but I thought it was Tuesday because my last
doctor's appointment (dermatologist) was on Tuesday. The
dermatologist gave me a clean bill of health, but emphasized that with
two close relatives with melanomas (Bob and me), all of my children
should get seen ASAP if they have not done so.

The last time I suggested going out, Bob said it was too hot and no
wind. This time the weather was going to be cool and the wind from
the north and west for two days and then turn around and be from the
south. So I thought - go south and then come back north with the
north wind and we'd have a couple of nice days.

So Tuesday I spent researching where we could go to the south, and
I've always wanted to go to Cape Charles and also see the Cape Charles
Light. I didn't realize at the time though, how far south that would
be. So I called a few marinas, and made some reservations. The
marina guy in Cape Charles said it was only 35 miles from Crisfield,
so that would be OK I thought.

Wednesday morning, I still had to shower and pack, and most important
- set the computers up for the trip. I wanted to put the old Toshiba
(Windows 98) in an old computer bag and couldn't find the bag, and I
also needed to be sure that the secondary computer would not be asking
to update the virus definitions automatically when it wasn't attached
to the internet as that makes it freeze.

Of course Bob was impatient to be gone. We did get everything loaded
on the boat and got underway about noon (which was my goal). We were
intending to go to Crisfield. Our main navigation computer got drowned
in Onancock last Labor Day in a storm (we went to dinner and it hadn't
rained in days so we didn't have the boat closed up - my bad). We
haven't used the Toshiba for navigation recently (because it has a
habit of stopping in the middle and just displaying the Toshiba
screen), none of the recent routes and tracks are on it , and I had no
previous track to put on for Bob to follow, so I made a route which
went through the Kedges Straits so I could get a better look at
Solomon's Lump lighthouse.

We motor sailed (the wind was more or less in the predicted direction
but was light at 5 to 9 knots but it was on the tail instead of on the
nose) down the Potomac, and I finally went below and took a nap
because I was tired from all the flurry of leaving. One of the nose
pieces came off of my glasses. When I came up, I saw that we were
not going to be close enough to either Smith Point or Point Lookout
for pictures. Bob said he couldn't fix my glasses without some glue.
About 14:45, we saw six of the small Naval Academy boats (can't
remember what Bob called them) steaming up the bay in formation with
their flags flying. I went down into the aft cabin to read. That's
when the first noise happened.

But we were in the middle of the Chesapeake, so we continued. From
15:15 to 15:30, we were passing the target ship Old Hannibal (a
bombing site), and I took some pictures, and then we saw two different
spiders, one of which was the Holland Island Bar ATON. I'm not sure
what the other one was

We didn't get to Holland Island itself - that is a small marshy piece
of land to the west of South Marsh Island. Its western side faces the
Chesapeake Bay and its east side faces Holland Straits. All sides of
the one and one-half mile long island are surrounded by shallow water
of from one to three feet of depth. It sounds like an interesting
place to go to if we had he appropriate boat for it - it would have to
be a dinghy I guess.

Having the only trees within an eight-mile radius, Holland Island has
several large heron rookeries and hundreds of other shorebirds and
waterfowl also nest here - egrets, curlues, oyster catchers, ospreys,
mallards and black ducks, geese, swan, gulls, terns and now even bald
eagles make their nests the island. Diamondback terrapins lay their
eggs on the sand bars and thousands of fiddler crabs reside in the
cord grass. Some unlikely visitors also come to the island from time
to time. Whitetailed deer sometimes swim across miles of open water to
feed there.

Settled in the last decades of the 1600s, by 1910 approximately 360
people lived on the distinct ridges of high ground. There were
several general stores, a grade school, church, Red Men's Hall, post
office, a full-time doctor and minister, and a thriving fleet of
workboats, including schooners and 55 skipjacks. A typical home was
roomy with many windows for the family to keep an eye on the sails of
the boats working in the distance and to provide light during the
daylight hours.

By 1920 the erosion from wind and tide was taking its toll on the
island's bay (west) side. By 1922 most of the residents of Holland
Island were forced to leave. Many residents moved their homes, piece
by piece, to mainland sites. Today, only one home remains. The
island's size has been reduced by erosion from approximately 160 acres
in 1915 to approximately 80 acres today. Many former residents still
rest in the island's burial sites. Two graveyards are left on the
island, and one has been lost beneath the waves. Some families moved
their loved-one's remains before they were claimed by the sea to the
graveyard beside the old church. Of the two remaining burial sites
there is a family plot of a dozen graves. The other, is the main
cemetery with over 50 graves.

We did see the Holland Island Bar spider. This automated beacon which
was placed here on the screwpile foundation of the previous lighthouse
by the Coast Guard in 1960.

The original ATON here was a hexagonal screwpile light which was built
in 1899 on Holland Island Bar to mark the approach to the Kedges
Straits. Since Holland Island Bar was located in the center of the bay
its relative isolation made it a more difficult assignment than some
of the other bay lights. In the winter of 1917-1918, assistant keeper
W. F. McDorican struggled alone for a month to keep the light
operational, despite terrible snowstorms and ice. Head keeper C. C.
Tyler had gone ashore just prior to the storms, and was unable to
return once the weather turned foul. An exhausted McDorican finally
conceded and walked from the lighthouse across the frozen bay to
Holland Island.

Holland Island Bar's isolation also contributed to the mystery
surrounding the death of keeper Ullman Owens in 1931. Keeper Owens,
who had served since 1911, was last seen alive on March 11, 1931.
Shortly afterwards, keeper Henry Sterling of Solomons Lump light
observed that Holland Island Bar was not lit. Sterling's light was not
equipped with a radio, so Sterling had to wait until a vessel came
within hailing distance to communicate his concerns. Sterling finally
was able to flag down the Winnie and Estelle, whose first mate, H. J.
Garner, agreed to check on the keeper. On the way, Garner was joined
by oyster boat captain John Tawes Tyler of Crisfield.

Garner and Tyler arrived at the Holland Island Bar light to find a
horrific and bizarre scene. Keeper Ullman was dead in the kitchen. The
kitchen was in disarray, as if there had been an altercation. There
were blood stains throughout the station, and a bloody butcher's knife
near Ullman's body. Despite the blood, there was no visible sign of
any gunshots or stab wounds on Ullman's body - only scrapes and
bruises.

A later autopsy revealed that Ullman suffered a cracked skull - a far
more severe injury than identified in the initial examination. On May
12, federal agent C. J. Callahan testified that he overheard Guy
Parkhurst, arrested for rum running, say "There go the rats that
turned us in. Well, the lighthouse keeper got in the headlines. We did
that. What these rats get will be worse."

Further complicating matters was that Ullman had several girlfriends -
two of whom left their husbands. Some surmised that one of the
ex-husbands was responsible for the keeper's demise. Ultimately,
however, the investigation was closed as the autopsy revealed an
enlarged heart - symptomatic of heart disease. The ruling that Ullman
died of natural causes stood, and the case was closed.

In another incident, a Japanese freighter collided with the lighthouse
on a particularly foggy day. Fortunately, the freighter did not hit
the lighthouse squarely - the freighter rolled off and continued on
course.

Further misfortune befell the lighthouse on the night of February 19,
1957. Nearby, an old grounded hull of the Hannibal was frequently used
as target practice by pilots at the nearby Navy stations. One night,
three pilots confused the lighthouse for the hulk. Flares were dropped
at the "target" site, and three ADSN Skyraiders fired seven five-inch
rockets - three of which hit the lighthouse. Fortunately, the practice
rockets did not carry explosives, but they still managed to tear holes
in the walls and cut several of the cast-iron legs. The keepers
radioed the Coast Guard, and the lighthouse was evacuated. The next
day, shaken but unhurt, the four Coastguardsmen returned to the
station to begin repairs.

We approached and passed Solomon's Lump around 1700. This is a
strange looking lighthouse - it has a tower on one side of a caisson
that is much bigger. This site originally had another screwpile
lighthouse which was built in 1875, But in 1893, that lighthouse was
destroyed by pressures from the winter ice. Although it was not swept
away, the Lighthouse Board reported the structure "was pushed over so
that part of it is submerged. Instead of building another screwpile
light, the board opted for a caisson design.

Solomons Lump Lighthouse is one of only eleven light structures in the
United States sunk by the pneumatic process. This meant that water was
pumped out of a chamber in the lower reaches of the caisson, so that
workers could enter and move dirt and sand away from the caisson's
'cutting edge.' At the same time, this edge was pushed farther down
into the shoal by the addition of concrete and stone weight in the
cast iron cylinder. A twenty-five foot tall, octagonal brick keeper's
dwelling was built atop the cylinder. This dwelling was built around a
square brick lantern tower, which formed two of the eight sides of the
house.

Before the installation of radio and telephone technology in the 1920s
there was no way for the keepers to communicated with the mainland.
The keepers were forced to make an eight-mile journey in a small skiff
for shore leave, and the opportunity to visit family was seldom
delayed except in extreme weather. During the service of keeper Henry
Columbus Sterling, who oversaw the lighthouse from 1900 to 1937,
keepers worked for one week and had shore leave for one week. This
meant that Sterling had to take four trips to and from the shore a
month, which he made in a tiny sailboat.

In 1936, shortly before Sterling retired at age 65, there was a great
freeze and the Jane's Island light was swept away by ice. Sterling's
son, concerned for his father's safety, climbed atop the Ice Plant in
Crisfield in a desperate attempt to determine if the lighthouse was
still standing. Although the light still shone, Sterling had in fact
abandoned the station and walked across the heavy ice to the safety of
Smith Island (much like his predecessors had done in 1893, when the
first station was wrecked). Sterling had initially been unwilling to
escape the potential danger, but was ordered to abandon via a note,
which was dropped to him from a plane.

Solomons Lump was converted to unmanned status in April of 1950, and
the keeper's house deteriorated and was demolished. The tower is
still there though, and it looks peculiar.

During the nomination in 1996 of the Solomons Lump Lighthouse for the
National Register of Historic Places, it was concluded that the
station was not eligible as the "station's integrity was compromised
when the integral keeper's quarters was demolished."

I called Somers Cove Marina where we had a reservation to ask them
what would happen if we got in after 1900, and they gave me a slip
assignment and the number of the night watchwoman. I asked if we
could just tie up to the bulkhead, and they said that the end of D
dock was open, so I said I'd take that. I figured it would be easier.
They didn't think that it would be past 7 if we were in Kedges
Straits.

And I thought we might make it too. We were at the Jane Island light
by 6:30. But we didn't get to the entrance channel to the harbor
until 7:10. So I called the night watchlady, and she helped us tie
up and brought us the information packet with the gate combination
numbers. Bob tipped her $5.00. We asked if the Original Captains
Galley were open and they said not, but the Cove WAS open.

We stuck everything below and locked up and went to walk over to the
Cove. We were passing some people with foam take-away boxes in their
hands, and I asked where they had eaten and they said the Cove and it
was excellent, but they were closing in 10 minutes (at 2000). So we
hurried up.

This was the restaurant where Bob really liked the crab cakes so he
ordered a one crab cake dinner for $15.99, and I got the special which
was Crab Imperial with two sides for $9.99. We both got asparagus
which was the vegetable of the day as one of our sides, and Bob got
cole slaw and I got potato salad. They brought us two biscuits which
tasted like they had honey butter in them and two that were made with
pumpkin or sweet potato. My crab imperial proved to be a crab cake
with a rich topping on it which tasted by itself like a cheese and
tartar sauce custard. I could only eat half of it and got it in a box
to go. We had virgin pina coladas for dessert ($3.99 each). Still a
fairly cheap dinner and really good.

We walked back to the boat. I noticed that there was a restaurant
open in the next block which had a second floor with a kind of
lighthouse thing on the top and there was a flashing light in it. We
made our beds up and Bob tuned the TV to the new digital channels
through the antenna rather than setting up the satellite TV receiver.
We got 5 or 6 channels really nice and clear.

When he looked at the weather, he said that it looked like we were
going to get a thunderstorm and maybe he should put the cockpit
curtains down. So he did that. And we did get a storm with a lot of
lightening and thunder and the electricity went off for a brief moment
or two. I was doing the route to the Cape Charles marina on the
computer, and it turned out to be over 50 miles. So I asked Bob if we
shouldn't forget going there and just to go Deltaville instead. He
agreed.

I downloaded my pictures and edited them, and then went to sleep and
slept soundly all night.



Very entertaining. Now why can't Skip Gundlach learn to write like you? His
stuff is so formulaic and boring compared to yours.

Wilbur Hubbard

Cruise to Crisfield the Crabcake Capitol was Boat Problem Question [Long]
 

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote:


"Rosalie B." wrote in message
.. .

About 14:45, we saw six of the small Naval Academy boats (can't
remember what Bob called them) steaming up the bay in formation with
their flags flying.

Asked Bob and he said these were YPs (Yard Patrol boats which the
Naval Academy uses for training)


Very entertaining. Now why can't Skip Gundlach learn to write like you? His
stuff is so formulaic and boring compared to yours.

I was afraid you would be upset because this was so long. I thought
all the old gossip might be appealing though.

And I really enjoy Skip's posts and look forward to them.

Coming home again (Long and Boring this time)
 

Yesterday we did 36 nm at an average speed of 5 knots. Bob had
covered up the compass and GPS overnight, and he accidentally put his
hand on the top of it and cracked the plastic mount where we have the
GPS mounted. He put a plastic tie on it to keep it there temporarily.

I slept so soundly that I did not wake up at all, and finally surfaced
about 8 am to find that Bob was up and had breakfast and was ready to
cast off. I usually pay at the office, but I asked him to do that
this time while I got myself organized. He started the engine while I
was still doing that, and I put the Toshiba back into the cockpit all
set up and ready to go. Although I accidentally leaned a little too
hard on the bottom plastic overlapping flap and cracked it. I'm
afraid this is a trend.

Since we were on the T-head, all I had to do was flip off the bow line
and Bob could motor out of the marina. We left about 9:15 which was
perfectly in order since we were just going over to the Rappahannock.

I stood on the bow and took pictures as we were leaving. We followed
another sailboat out. Some pictures I took from the bow, but then I
went back and took some from the stern because I wanted to show where
the harbor entrance was as you approach now that there is a condo next
to it, and the Tangier Island cruise boat is parked right on the
seawall by the entrance.

There was also what looked like a new marina (with absolutely no boats
in it) outside the harbor. I told Bob that we had a boat behind us.
It was a crab pot boat and he gave us two blasts on the whistle and
passed us.

By 9:30, we were out of the harbor and turning south. I called the
Cape Charles marina to tell him that we are not coming, and call
Urbana to see if they have space there. She said that she does not.
It turns out that she has only 3 slips that are not covered slips,
plus a sea wall, and all of them are booked this weekend. She also
informs me that she only works Weds to Sunday and that's why she
didn't answer the phone on Tuesday. So for a reservation I need to
call at least a week in advance. I talked to the people in Deltaville
and got a reservation there. The man who took the reservation said
that his mother-in-law's name was RosalieAnn.

We saw crab pot boats throwing out their pots, and we were now passing
Tangier. I saw a big blue boat which looked like it was headed in the
Tangier direction, so I thought was the mail boat, but it didn't seem
to be moving so I decided that was a fishing boat out of Crisfield-
possibly Barbara Ann II which has a blue hull.

Then the noise happened again. We discussed this, and Bob is sure it
is the cutlass bearing, and says that the boat will need to be hauled
to check on it. He says that if the bearing is disintegrating, that
the prop shaft can move around and will vibrate which makes the noise
that we hear.

Finally I asked Bob if he wanted to go back to our marina, and he said
yes that he thought that would be a good idea. I hate it when he
makes me guess what he wants to do, although in this case I did
eventually get there. However, the noise and vibration did NOT occur
again on this leg of the trip.

I tried to call Deltaville to cancel, but by this time, we were south
of Tangier and had absolutely no signal. The wind was still from the
north, and we had some sails up, but we were basically motoring. I
re-did the route on the Toshiba taking us around the bottom of Tangier
(since we were already too far south to just go through the middle).

We passed fairly close to the Tangier Sound spider and then picked our
way through the crab pots - staying out far enough away from the
shoals to keep 10 feet or so of water under the keel, but not making a
big circle. We passed another crab pot boat throwing the pots out
along a line.

Then Bob complained that the Toshiba had gone to the Toshiba screen
again. It was apparently frozen. So I took it into the cabin and
shut it down and let it contemplate its navel for a bit and charge the
battery. Then I fired it up and changed the power requirements so
that it never hibernated while on power. I tried to label the
courses that we had taken and it said it could not write to the C
drive. But I got it working again and put it back into the box in the
cockpit. [The cockpit box has a plug for 12V in it]

Bob got himself lunch, and I ate the crab imperial that I'd brought
from the Cove the night before. We were progressing fairly well
across the Bay - going northwest now, but the wind was on the beam and
so light as not to be a problem. Then the Toshiba froze up again, and
this time I could not resurrect it. By this time it was about 1515 -
we could see the Smith Point lighthouse, and I figured we ought to be
able to get home without the computer - we've done this a gazillion
times after all. It isn't difficult.

We were still not going to be in a position to photograph Point
Lookout lighthouse The Navy has apparently moved the tracking station
stuff over to another place along the Bay shore - you can't see the
lighthouse at all anymore unless you are in the Potomac - at least not
coming from the southeast. There is now a big building in front of
the lighthouse.

I took the computer GPS out of the cockpit at 1645, at which time we
had been 35 nm. I also started packing up my stuff so it would be
easy to get off when we got to the marina. We got a weather bulletin
which said there was a thunderstorm approaching, and Bob thought we
might be motoring towards it.

As we approached the St. Mary's River, Bob complained that he didn't
recognize the entrance to the river. I guess we've been relying too
much on the computer charts. I got out the binoculars and started
looking for the daymarks. It was more comfortable to use the
binoculars without my glasses - I have been completely unsuccessful at
figuring out how to attach a pad to my nose or the glasses so that
metal piece doesn't dig into my nose and I know I have old glasses
somewhere on the boat, but don't remember where..

We saw a rainstorm approaching, but it did not appear to have any
lightening in it. We reached the first marker (2S) at 1845 and were
at marker 6 by 1905, having wended our way through the Z of the
entrance shoals. As we were coming into our slip, it started to rain.
I grabbed the lines from the middle piling, but that wasn't what Bob
wanted - he wanted the ones from the forward piling. None-the-less,
we tied up - there wasn't any wind to be a problem and neither was
getting a little wet in the rain.

We had been 47.6 nm and it took us 9.51 hours.

We quickly locked up the boat and walked up to the Spinnaker to have
dinner. I forgot my camera, but I was afraid to go back for it for
fear that they would close before we got there.

They had two soups on the menu - Maryland crab (which is a clear spicy
vegetable soup and not the cream of crab) and chicken noodle. Over
the chicken noodle it said "Soup of the Day". I thought the Soup of
the Day would be a different soup than the ones on the menu, but Bob
had the chicken noodle soup anyway, and the liver and onions. I said
I would have spinach salad and a shrimp salad sandwich because I
didn't think I was very hungry.

Maybe the kitchen had been going to close, because they had to boil an
egg for the spinach salad, which took 15 minutes, and I got it last.
All of the food was very good. While we were waiting, I decided that
I was hungrier than I had thought, and would have dessert. I got some
kind of lemon pie - it was fluffy and tangy and good. Bob had rice
pudding which the chef had made that day. It looked good although he
said it didn't have any raisins in it. [All of what Bob ate are his
favorite comfort foods]

Bob moved the truck nearer to the dock, but we couldn't find but one
dock cart. The guy on Hurricane was using the other one. So we had
to make two trips with all the stuff (three coolers, two computer
bags, and a bag of clothes each for Bob and me, the DirectTV receiver
etc). It was raining gently and I tried to put down the side curtains
and lost the zipper slide off the bottom of one of them.

We were tired when we got home - just about in time for Fox News at
10.

Bob fixed my glasses the next day. I was quite sore (joints and
muscles), and Bob complained that he was tired. He is always
surprised to be tired.

Boat Problem Question
 

On 2008-06-20 08:49:34 -0400, Rosalie B. said:

We were motor sailing along snip and I was in the aft cabin when
suddenly it sounded to me as if the engine was running away. Bob
slacked off the throttle and then cautiously came back to speed and the
noise was gone.

This happened about twice more. The gauges never moved during this
time - RPMs were the same, oil pressure normal, engine temperature
normal (and Bob checked that with the infrared gauge), engine charging
as normal. Bob checked the bilges and looked in the engine compartment
and saw nothing amiss. The engine continued to run as normal between
times.

I'm tending towards the alternator idea, but is it possible you picked
up a load of weeds? We've done that a few times and it can cause the
vibration, engine loading and lots and lots of black smoke. (Shame you
didn't go back and look). Simply slacking off can sometimes clear most
of it; hitting reverse once or twice certainly will. (the edges of the
MaxProp blades are pretty sharp.) Plastic bags do the same thing, but
are harder to clear.

I would find it strange that it would happen a couple of times, but
we've had a pretty fair set of storms recently and it's possible you
were running through some leftover detritus. Particularly if you saw
"rafts" of junk in the vicinity, I'd consider that idea. If not, I'm
not sure.

Another thought: dive on the prop and check for fishing line or
similar, NOT in the marina, of course.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Cruise to Crisfield the Crabcake Capitol was Boat Problem Question [Long]
 

On 2008-06-20 23:11:12 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

Very entertaining. Now why can't Skip Gundlach learn to write like you? His
stuff is so formulaic and boring compared to yours.

Wilbur Hubbard

Yup, entertaining. Reminded me of a similar trip we did to the same area.

And, yup, different style than Skip's (closer to Lydia's, who has her
own elist, but doesn't "do" r.b.c.)

But different doesn't mean better or worse. I sometimes disagree with
your writing style, but I still read your posts. I'd enjoy reading your
cruise logs.

Yeah, yeah, I should put up or shut up, but our logs are uneventful,
boring even to us.

One 2-week trip can be stated this easily: Sailed to Dividing Creek.
Spent three days watching the wildlife, lazing around and working on
our tans. Big news each day was what we ate. To St. Michaels for
pump-out, ice and water. Pat wandered the tourist-trap main street as I
hit the Acme then returned to the boat for a couple hours'
people-watching. Snacked at the Crab house to "pay" our afternoon's
dockage. Over to Leeds Creek. Didn't run aground (always news with that
shifting sand bar.) Spent a night at the Castle, then moved over to the
spit and anchored close enough to step to the beach. Wandered the
shoreline. Ate. In the morning, watched dozens of horseshoe crabs
evidently mating (most notable event of the trip). Moved up the creek
the next night. Wandered over to Queenstown, pumping out and taking on
water and ice at Kent. Spent a few days. Wandered up to Swan. Spent a
couple of days. Visited the marina store after we pumped out and took
on water and ice. Found replacement wine glasses Pat's been looking
for. Removed the price tags and presented them as an Anniversary
present, never mind that we got married Nov 1. She wasn't allowed to
ask their price. Went home.

Since about 1999, that's been pretty much the template of our cruising.
Storms happened, but we were snug in the anchorage. Stuff broke, but I
fixed it. The important things were the inconsequential: watching kits
explore a suddenly-exposed spit of land, counting turtles, listening to
the silence, watching geese flock up....

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Boat Problem Question
 

Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-06-20 08:49:34 -0400, Rosalie B. said:

We were motor sailing along snip and I was in the aft cabin when
suddenly it sounded to me as if the engine was running away. Bob
slacked off the throttle and then cautiously came back to speed and the
noise was gone.

This happened about twice more. The gauges never moved during this
time - RPMs were the same, oil pressure normal, engine temperature
normal (and Bob checked that with the infrared gauge), engine charging
as normal. Bob checked the bilges and looked in the engine compartment
and saw nothing amiss. The engine continued to run as normal between
times.

I'm tending towards the alternator idea, but is it possible you picked

The gauges did not change at all.

up a load of weeds? We've done that a few times and it can cause the
vibration, engine loading and lots and lots of black smoke. (Shame you
didn't go back and look). Simply slacking off can sometimes clear most

We did go back and look and saw nothing out of the ordinary (we didn't
look under water of course, but there was no smoke outside of normal).
of it; hitting reverse once or twice certainly will. (the edges of
the
MaxProp blades are pretty sharp.) Plastic bags do the same thing, but
are harder to clear.

It stopped just by coming back to idle. The engine itself wasn't
doing anything out of the ordinary - we looked at it too.

I would find it strange that it would happen a couple of times, but
we've had a pretty fair set of storms recently and it's possible you
were running through some leftover detritus. Particularly if you saw
"rafts" of junk in the vicinity, I'd consider that idea. If not, I'm
not sure.

Another thought: dive on the prop and check for fishing line or
similar, NOT in the marina, of course.

We were in the middle of the Bay. The first time it might have been a
crab pot, but the other times there was no visible debris.

We took the jib and staysail down today so we can haul her and see
what, if anything, is going on. Bob thinks cutlass bearing
deteriorating and letting the prop shaft vibrate. It is about 9 years
old.

Cruise to Crisfield the Crabcake Capitol was Boat Problem Question [Long]
 

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:41:45 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

But different doesn't mean better or worse. I sometimes disagree with
your writing style, but I still read your posts. I'd enjoy reading your
cruise logs.

Yeah, yeah, I should put up or shut up, but our logs are uneventful,
boring even to us.

One 2-week trip can be stated this easily: Sailed to Dividing Creek.
Spent three days watching the wildlife, lazing around and working on
our tans. Big news each day was what we ate. To St. Michaels for
pump-out, ice and water. Pat wandered the tourist-trap main street as I
hit the Acme then returned to the boat for a couple hours'
people-watching. Snacked at the Crab house to "pay" our afternoon's
dockage. Over to Leeds Creek. Didn't run aground (always news with that
shifting sand bar.) Spent a night at the Castle, then moved over to the
spit and anchored close enough to step to the beach. Wandered the
shoreline. Ate. In the morning, watched dozens of horseshoe crabs
evidently mating (most notable event of the trip). Moved up the creek
the next night. Wandered over to Queenstown, pumping out and taking on
water and ice at Kent. Spent a few days. Wandered up to Swan. Spent a
couple of days. Visited the marina store after we pumped out and took
on water and ice. Found replacement wine glasses Pat's been looking
for. Removed the price tags and presented them as an Anniversary
present, never mind that we got married Nov 1. She wasn't allowed to
ask their price. Went home.

Since about 1999, that's been pretty much the template of our cruising.
Storms happened, but we were snug in the anchorage. Stuff broke, but I
fixed it. The important things were the inconsequential: watching kits
explore a suddenly-exposed spit of land, counting turtles, listening to
the silence, watching geese flock up....

I've always enjoyed Rosalie's journal postings here, except for the
food stuff, because I just don't care about that. And I wish she
should stop visiting restaurants as they are closing, because reading
of it makes me think back to when I was managing eateries and viewed
late comers/stayers as the bane of the staff, who like to go home at
closing time. And since I like Rosalie so much, I don't like thinking
of her in that vein.
Skip sometimes is too Henry Jamesish with his sentences, but posts a
lot of good info in good spirit. His saga of preparation, crashing on
the rocks, recovery, boat-tuning, etc, is good reading.
On that food subject, I started reading the journal of a guy and his
wife which was pretty interesting the first couple years of the
voyaging. Had some useful sailing, equipment and fishing
observations.
Then they basically settled at anchor in the Bahamas, and for years
the most written words are "volleyball," "poker," "breakfast,"
"lunch," "dinner," and "drinks."
Now my view on food is basically when my stomach starts growling, get
some. But I know others are interested in it, so cie le vie.
As you say above, outside of disasters or near-disasters, the
"inconsequential" is what remains important, and you expressed that
well. I recall Skips account of a stowaway bird a bit more clearly
than his gen pulley issues.
The guy who is always reporting in his journal the poker scores and
what he had for lunch never touches on such sublimities.
Not to give Neal short shrift; his account of tying himself naked to
the mast and raging at the stormy sea was pretty compelling.
Of course somebody replied asking what his dock neighbors thought
of such conduct. Sort of took the romance away right there.

--Vic

Cruise to Crisfield the Crabcake Capitol was Boat Problem Question [Long]
 

"Jere Lull" wrote in message
news:2008062213414643658-jerelull@maccom...
One 2-week trip can be stated this easily: Sailed to Dividing Creek.
Spent three days watching the wildlife, lazing around and working on our
tans. Big news each day was what we ate. To St. Michaels for pump-out, ice
and water. Pat wandered the tourist-trap main street as I hit the Acme
then returned to the boat for a couple hours' people-watching. Snacked at
the Crab house to "pay" our afternoon's dockage. Over to Leeds Creek.
Didn't run aground (always news with that shifting sand bar.) Spent a
night at the Castle, then moved over to the spit and anchored close enough
to step to the beach. Wandered the shoreline. Ate. In the morning, watched
dozens of horseshoe crabs evidently mating (most notable event of the
trip). Moved up the creek the next night. Wandered over to Queenstown,
pumping out and taking on water and ice at Kent. Spent a few days.
Wandered up to Swan. Spent a couple of days. Visited the marina store
after we pumped out and took on water and ice. Found replacement wine
glasses Pat's been looking for. Removed the price tags and presented them
as an Anniversary present, never mind that we got married Nov 1. She
wasn't allowed to ask their price. Went home.

Since about 1999, that's been pretty much the template of our cruising.
Storms happened, but we were snug in the anchorage. Stuff broke, but I
fixed it. The important things were the inconsequential: watching kits
explore a suddenly-exposed spit of land, counting turtles, listening to
the silence, watching geese flock up....

You pumped out twice (or was it three times ?) during the course of three
days??
I presume you mean your holding tank but even if it was the bilge it seems
a bit excessive.

Cruise to Crisfield the Crabcake Capitol was Boat Problem Question [Long]
 

On 2008-06-22 14:51:05 -0400, "Edgar" said:

You pumped out twice (or was it three times ?) during the course of three
days??

We have about 3-4 days' space in the holding tank and really don't want
to "spill" (can't dump), so pump out and get water whenever we pick up
ice, our limiting factor as Pat likes cubes in her drinks.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Boat Problem Question
 

On 2008-06-22 13:43:44 -0400, Rosalie B. said:

Bob thinks cutlass bearing deteriorating and letting the prop shaft
vibrate. It is about 9 years old.

Oh, just a youngster ;-) We got a new one 15 years ago and it's still
tight -- a check I do each spring just before I change the zincs.

I'm still leaning towards something on the prop. As I read your
account, it sounded like what I hear and feel when the prop cavitates
when we try to punch through waves and get stopped dead in our tracks,
but you didn't have appreciable wind or waves, and you're less at the
mercy of such with your heft.

Keep us up to date, as I'm curious what the cause is.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Cruise to Crisfield the Crabcake Capitol was Boat Problem Question [Long]
 

Vic Smith wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:41:45 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

But different doesn't mean better or worse. I sometimes disagree with
your writing style, but I still read your posts. I'd enjoy reading your
cruise logs.

Yeah, yeah, I should put up or shut up, but our logs are uneventful,
boring even to us.

One 2-week trip can be stated this easily: Sailed to Dividing Creek.
Spent three days watching the wildlife, lazing around and working on
our tans. Big news each day was what we ate. To St. Michaels for
pump-out, ice and water. Pat wandered the tourist-trap main street as I
hit the Acme then returned to the boat for a couple hours'
people-watching. Snacked at the Crab house to "pay" our afternoon's
dockage. Over to Leeds Creek. Didn't run aground (always news with that
shifting sand bar.) Spent a night at the Castle, then moved over to the
spit and anchored close enough to step to the beach. Wandered the
shoreline. Ate. In the morning, watched dozens of horseshoe crabs
evidently mating (most notable event of the trip). Moved up the creek
the next night. Wandered over to Queenstown, pumping out and taking on
water and ice at Kent. Spent a few days. Wandered up to Swan. Spent a
couple of days. Visited the marina store after we pumped out and took
on water and ice. Found replacement wine glasses Pat's been looking
for. Removed the price tags and presented them as an Anniversary
present, never mind that we got married Nov 1. She wasn't allowed to
ask their price. Went home.

Since about 1999, that's been pretty much the template of our cruising.
Storms happened, but we were snug in the anchorage. Stuff broke, but I
fixed it. The important things were the inconsequential: watching kits
explore a suddenly-exposed spit of land, counting turtles, listening to
the silence, watching geese flock up....

I've always enjoyed Rosalie's journal postings here, except for the
food stuff, because I just don't care about that. And I wish she
should stop visiting restaurants as they are closing, because reading
of it makes me think back to when I was managing eateries and viewed
late comers/stayers as the bane of the staff, who like to go home at
closing time. And since I like Rosalie so much, I don't like thinking
of her in that vein.

Even though I haven't managed or worked in a restaurant, I really
don't like to come late to a restaurant. But I do want to eat, and if
it comes to entering late or not eating, I will enter late. I decide
what I want without any delay and try to get things that I think will
be quick to fix (like in Crisfield I got the special which was on the
board at the entrance and at our marina I got salads which I thought
would be already prepared). I eat quickly and we tip well. And then
we leave.

I don't know if the restaurant in Crisfield was actually closing at 8
- it wasn't posted anywhere that I saw and people came in after us. It
wasn't closed when we left at 8:50 and there were still other people
eating.

The same for the Spinnaker at our marina and if it had been closed,
we'd have gone to Courtney's down the road which doesn't have any
staff except for the guy who acts as the front man and his wife who
does all the work.

The Spinnaker has gone through several sets of managers who haven't
always been able to produce edible food, and it has been closed for
about a year. My opinion was that they'd probably rather have had us
late than not at all.


Skip sometimes is too Henry Jamesish with his sentences, but posts a
lot of good info in good spirit. His saga of preparation, crashing on
the rocks, recovery, boat-tuning, etc, is good reading.
On that food subject, I started reading the journal of a guy and his
wife which was pretty interesting the first couple years of the
voyaging. Had some useful sailing, equipment and fishing
observations.
Then they basically settled at anchor in the Bahamas, and for years
the most written words are "volleyball," "poker," "breakfast,"
"lunch," "dinner," and "drinks."
Now my view on food is basically when my stomach starts growling, get
some. But I know others are interested in it, so cie le vie.
As you say above, outside of disasters or near-disasters, the
"inconsequential" is what remains important, and you expressed that
well. I recall Skips account of a stowaway bird a bit more clearly
than his gen pulley issues.
The guy who is always reporting in his journal the poker scores and
what he had for lunch never touches on such sublimities.
Not to give Neal short shrift; his account of tying himself naked to
the mast and raging at the stormy sea was pretty compelling.
Of course somebody replied asking what his dock neighbors thought
of such conduct. Sort of took the romance away right there.

--Vic

Boat Problem Question
 

Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-06-22 13:43:44 -0400, Rosalie B. said:

Bob thinks cutlass bearing deteriorating and letting the prop shaft
vibrate. It is about 9 years old.

Oh, just a youngster ;-) We got a new one 15 years ago and it's still
tight -- a check I do each spring just before I change the zincs.

I'm still leaning towards something on the prop. As I read your
account, it sounded like what I hear and feel when the prop cavitates
when we try to punch through waves and get stopped dead in our tracks,
but you didn't have appreciable wind or waves, and you're less at the
mercy of such with your heft.

Keep us up to date, as I'm curious what the cause is.

We pulled the boat yesterday and Bob said the cutlass bearing was
extremely loose and he is pretty sure that was the problem. He said
it was vibrating again on the way over to the haul slip, and there was
nothing on the prop except some barnacles..

He had put a vibration damper spacer in and he thinks he didn't get
the cutlass bearing far enough back to account for that.

However, someone has just emailed me and explained that they change
the cutlass bearing every time they haul the boat as a precaution.
(They only haul about every two years)

Boat Problem Question
 

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-06-22 13:43:44 -0400, Rosalie B. said:

Bob thinks cutlass bearing deteriorating and letting the prop shaft
vibrate. It is about 9 years old.

Oh, just a youngster ;-) We got a new one 15 years ago and it's still
tight -- a check I do each spring just before I change the zincs.

I'm still leaning towards something on the prop. As I read your
account, it sounded like what I hear and feel when the prop cavitates
when we try to punch through waves and get stopped dead in our tracks,
but you didn't have appreciable wind or waves, and you're less at the
mercy of such with your heft.

Keep us up to date, as I'm curious what the cause is.

We pulled the boat yesterday and Bob said the cutlass bearing was
extremely loose and he is pretty sure that was the problem. He said
it was vibrating again on the way over to the haul slip, and there was
nothing on the prop except some barnacles..

He had put a vibration damper spacer in and he thinks he didn't get
the cutlass bearing far enough back to account for that.

However, someone has just emailed me and explained that they change
the cutlass bearing every time they haul the boat as a precaution.
(They only haul about every two years)


Thanks for the update but . . .

It makes me feel somewhat sad that two wonderful folks like you and your
husband have so many problems with your boat. But, I guess it's to be
expected when one opts for a so-called sailboat that is really a motor
boat/home with sails. I hope as you two get older you decide to downsize and
sell the motorboat with all its attendant problems and get yourselves into a
real sailboat.

I would recommend something in the 27-foot range for that is the perfect
size for two older folks who don't live aboard but still enjoy sailing. A
27-footer can be fitted with a nice, modern, 4-stroke, outboard engine on
the transom. It can be tilted out of the water when sailing so it causes no
drag. You can, consequently, actually enjoy sailing for the first time in a
long time.

Your entire past month's sailing reports have been marred and disrupted by
the mechanical problem of a worn cutlass bearing - or so it is thought. What
if that isn't it and the same noise appears again when you splash? Another
month of wondering if and when a noise will turn into a disaster? How can
anyone enjoy sailing with something like that hanging over their heads like
the sword of Damocles'?

And I can't help noticing how you two tend to sail on a somewhat fixed
schedule and seem comfortable with that. Sorry, but that's not sailing -
it's motor boating. You two fine folks really DO need to discover (or
possibly revisit) what pure sailing is all about. The only way to do that is
to have a boat that is a pure sailer. Any time an outboard motor is tilted
out of the water while you are under sail you are a pure sailor. That's
something to be proud of and to enjoy thoroughly knowing so few others these
days are able to accomplish the act of pure sailing. You will spend your
hours not worrying about mechanical breakdowns but enjoying the quiet, the
freedom from worry, the clean wind in your hair and the beauty of an almost
forgotten art - that of pure sailing.

Wishing you and yours the best and long life and sailing forever.

Wilbur Hubbard

Boat Problem Question
 

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote:

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
.. .
Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-06-22 13:43:44 -0400, Rosalie B. said:

Bob thinks cutlass bearing deteriorating and letting the prop shaft
vibrate. It is about 9 years old.

Oh, just a youngster ;-) We got a new one 15 years ago and it's still
tight -- a check I do each spring just before I change the zincs.

I'm still leaning towards something on the prop. As I read your
account, it sounded like what I hear and feel when the prop cavitates
when we try to punch through waves and get stopped dead in our tracks,
but you didn't have appreciable wind or waves, and you're less at the
mercy of such with your heft.

Keep us up to date, as I'm curious what the cause is.

We pulled the boat yesterday and Bob said the cutlass bearing was
extremely loose and he is pretty sure that was the problem. He said
it was vibrating again on the way over to the haul slip, and there was
nothing on the prop except some barnacles..

He had put a vibration damper spacer in and he thinks he didn't get
the cutlass bearing far enough back to account for that.

However, someone has just emailed me and explained that they change
the cutlass bearing every time they haul the boat as a precaution.
(They only haul about every two years)


Thanks for the update but . . .

It makes me feel somewhat sad that two wonderful folks like you and your
husband have so many problems with your boat. But, I guess it's to be
expected when one opts for a so-called sailboat that is really a motor
boat/home with sails. I hope as you two get older you decide to downsize and

How much older should we get g?? I'm 70 and Bob is 72.

sell the motorboat with all its attendant problems and get yourselves into a
real sailboat.

I would recommend something in the 27-foot range for that is the perfect

I would have said a smaller boat myself - either a CSY 33 or 37. But
that's not what Bob wanted, and the love of a specific boat isn't
rational.

size for two older folks who don't live aboard but still enjoy sailing. A
27-footer can be fitted with a nice, modern, 4-stroke, outboard engine on
the transom. It can be tilted out of the water when sailing so it causes no
drag. You can, consequently, actually enjoy sailing for the first time in a
long time.

I find both sailing and fishing a little bit boring. I go with Bob
because I think he wants me to go, and I think he needs me to go. I
would be just as happy at home. BUT - if I go sailing, I want a boat
that is comfortable to live on, not just someplace to camp out on the
water.

I know a lot of former sail boat people go to trawlers, but while I
think he may eventually decide on his own to sell the boat, he's not
to that place yet, and I doubt VERY much if he will go to a trawler.

Your entire past month's sailing reports have been marred and disrupted by
the mechanical problem of a worn cutlass bearing - or so it is thought.

I wouldn't have said that the sailing was marred and disrupted. I had
a good time. And it certainly wasn't a month - we sailed out one day
and sailed back the next day.

What
if that isn't it and the same noise appears again when you splash? Another
month of wondering if and when a noise will turn into a disaster? How can
anyone enjoy sailing with something like that hanging over their heads like
the sword of Damocles'?

And I can't help noticing how you two tend to sail on a somewhat fixed
schedule and seem comfortable with that. Sorry, but that's not sailing -
it's motor boating.

It's not that fixed a schedule - it is only that if we don't go to a
marina, one of us has to cook, and that's not going to be me. So I
try to plan so that we can go somewhere that Bob doesn't mind going
and I would like to see and where we can pull in and go to a
restaurant for dinner. A plan is not the same as a schedule.

You can't get a rise out of me by called our boat a motor sailer or
saying that we are motor boating, because I don't really care which it
is.

You two fine folks really DO need to discover (or
possibly revisit) what pure sailing is all about. The only way to do that is
to have a boat that is a pure sailer. Any time an outboard motor is tilted
out of the water while you are under sail you are a pure sailor.

I don't like outboards (we have two), and I've never claimed to be a
sailor - pure or any other kind.

That's
something to be proud of and to enjoy thoroughly knowing so few others these
days are able to accomplish the act of pure sailing. You will spend your
hours not worrying about mechanical breakdowns but enjoying the quiet, the
freedom from worry, the clean wind in your hair and the beauty of an almost
forgotten art - that of pure sailing.

Wishing you and yours the best and long life and sailing forever.

Wilbur Hubbard

Boat Problem Question
 

On 2008-06-26 15:19:04 -0400, Rosalie B. said:

We pulled the boat yesterday and Bob said the cutlass bearing was
extremely loose and he is pretty sure that was the problem. He said it
was vibrating again on the way over to the haul slip, and there was
nothing on the prop except some barnacles..

If it feels loose, it is.

He had put a vibration damper spacer in and he thinks he didn't get the
cutlass bearing far enough back to account for that.

Hmmm. Sounds like there was an error in installation. Ah well, live and learn.

However, someone has just emailed me and explained that they change the
cutlass bearing every time they haul the boat as a precaution. (They
only haul about every two years)

I was given the impression that the old (70s) cutlass bearings lasted a
decade easily. The new ones are supposedly better. If they wear faster
than that, I'd look to other causes, misalignment first, bent shaft,
then prop balance. That doesn't seem to be your problem, though.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Boat Problem Question
 

"Jere Lull" wrote in message
news:2008062622045443658-jerelull@maccom...
On 2008-06-26 15:19:04 -0400, Rosalie B. said:

We pulled the boat yesterday and Bob said the cutlass bearing was
extremely loose and he is pretty sure that was the problem. He said it
was vibrating again on the way over to the haul slip, and there was
nothing on the prop except some barnacles..

If it feels loose, it is.

He had put a vibration damper spacer in and he thinks he didn't get the
cutlass bearing far enough back to account for that.

Hmmm. Sounds like there was an error in installation. Ah well, live and
learn.

However, someone has just emailed me and explained that they change the
cutlass bearing every time they haul the boat as a precaution. (They only
haul about every two years)

I was given the impression that the old (70s) cutlass bearings lasted a
decade easily. The new ones are supposedly better. If they wear faster
than that, I'd look to other causes, misalignment first, bent shaft, then
prop balance. That doesn't seem to be your problem, though.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/



I agree.. I've seen boats that have gone 5+ years without having to replace
it. Something else is wrong if you have to replace it every year.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Boat Problem Question
 

"Capt. JG" wrote:

"Jere Lull" wrote in message
news:2008062622045443658-jerelull@maccom...
On 2008-06-26 15:19:04 -0400, Rosalie B. said:

We pulled the boat yesterday and Bob said the cutlass bearing was
extremely loose and he is pretty sure that was the problem. He said it
was vibrating again on the way over to the haul slip, and there was
nothing on the prop except some barnacles..

I did wonder whether the barnacles might have unbalanced the prop or
something. It was so hot that I retreated to the ladies room (which
was A/C) while they were washing the boat and bringing it up the hill
to the yard.

Bob would rather have been down by the haul slip, but there are three
or four trawlers there taking all the space. They are from the yacht
club which is across the creek and doesn't have a lift. One of them
said that they tried to get the trawlers up into the yard (where he
would have preferred to be), but the travel lift couldn't get up the
hill with the trawlers because they were too heavy. But the trawlers
weigh 10,000 lbs less than our boat and I know that they've taken our
boat up that hill at least 6 times, Hearing that they hadn't been
able to make it made me too nervous to watch.

If it feels loose, it is.

He had put a vibration damper spacer in and he thinks he didn't get the
cutlass bearing far enough back to account for that.

Hmmm. Sounds like there was an error in installation. Ah well, live and
learn.

I'm not sure what the exact sequence was, but Bob said that when we
bought the boat, the surveyor (Peter Hartoff) showed Bob that the
cutlass bearing needed to be replaced the next time we hauled. This
was in May 1998. When we sailed that summer, we saw that the fixed
prop kept rotating and made the boat under sail sound like a freeway.
So in the fall of that year, we hauled the boat to put on a MaxProp
and replace the cutlass bearing. At that time, we found that the
shaft was deeply scored, so we replaced the shaft too.

When we went down the ICW for the first time in the fall of 2000, our
throttle cable broke when we were in an anchorage south of Charleston.
We went into a marina on Dataw Island (it was the closest one), and
got a new throttle cable, and also paid to have the shaft aligned
because evidently Bob thought it needed it. I do not know at what
point Bob put the spacer in.

However, someone has just emailed me and explained that they change the
cutlass bearing every time they haul the boat as a precaution. (They only
haul about every two years)

I was given the impression that the old (70s) cutlass bearings lasted a
decade easily. The new ones are supposedly better. If they wear faster
than that, I'd look to other causes, misalignment first, bent shaft, then
prop balance. That doesn't seem to be your problem, though.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

I agree.. I've seen boats that have gone 5+ years without having to replace
it. Something else is wrong if you have to replace it every year.

They don't HAVE to replace it, at least that's not what they said -
they said they do it as a precaution.

Boat Problem Question
 

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote:

"Jere Lull" wrote in message
news:2008062622045443658-jerelull@maccom...
On 2008-06-26 15:19:04 -0400, Rosalie B.
said:

We pulled the boat yesterday and Bob said the cutlass bearing was
extremely loose and he is pretty sure that was the problem. He said it
was vibrating again on the way over to the haul slip, and there was
nothing on the prop except some barnacles..

I did wonder whether the barnacles might have unbalanced the prop or
something. It was so hot that I retreated to the ladies room (which
was A/C) while they were washing the boat and bringing it up the hill
to the yard.

Bob would rather have been down by the haul slip, but there are three
or four trawlers there taking all the space. They are from the yacht
club which is across the creek and doesn't have a lift. One of them
said that they tried to get the trawlers up into the yard (where he
would have preferred to be), but the travel lift couldn't get up the
hill with the trawlers because they were too heavy. But the trawlers
weigh 10,000 lbs less than our boat and I know that they've taken our
boat up that hill at least 6 times, Hearing that they hadn't been
able to make it made me too nervous to watch.

If it feels loose, it is.

He had put a vibration damper spacer in and he thinks he didn't get the
cutlass bearing far enough back to account for that.

Hmmm. Sounds like there was an error in installation. Ah well, live and
learn.

I'm not sure what the exact sequence was, but Bob said that when we
bought the boat, the surveyor (Peter Hartoff) showed Bob that the
cutlass bearing needed to be replaced the next time we hauled. This
was in May 1998. When we sailed that summer, we saw that the fixed
prop kept rotating and made the boat under sail sound like a freeway.
So in the fall of that year, we hauled the boat to put on a MaxProp
and replace the cutlass bearing. At that time, we found that the
shaft was deeply scored, so we replaced the shaft too.

When we went down the ICW for the first time in the fall of 2000, our
throttle cable broke when we were in an anchorage south of Charleston.
We went into a marina on Dataw Island (it was the closest one), and
got a new throttle cable, and also paid to have the shaft aligned
because evidently Bob thought it needed it. I do not know at what
point Bob put the spacer in.

However, someone has just emailed me and explained that they change the
cutlass bearing every time they haul the boat as a precaution. (They
only
haul about every two years)

I was given the impression that the old (70s) cutlass bearings lasted a
decade easily. The new ones are supposedly better. If they wear faster
than that, I'd look to other causes, misalignment first, bent shaft,
then
prop balance. That doesn't seem to be your problem, though.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
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I agree.. I've seen boats that have gone 5+ years without having to
replace
it. Something else is wrong if you have to replace it every year.

They don't HAVE to replace it, at least that's not what they said -
they said they do it as a precaution.



If I were going to cross an ocean or some other extended trip, and there was
even a hint of a problem, then I'd replace the cutlass. Other than that,
unless it's really loose, it a slow-fail item. We had a Yamaha 30 surveyed,
and that was the only thing that seemed amiss. It was working fine, but the
pronouncement was that it would need to be replaced in a couple of years at
the latest. Next haulout (2 years as I recall), there was no change in it's
condition, but we had it done anyway.


--
"j" ganz @@
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Boat Problem Question
 

On Jun 20, 9:48*am, Rosalie B. wrote:
jeff wrote:
Rosalie B. wrote:
...
We were motor sailing along, as the breeze basically died (although it
was from the predicted direction), and I was in the aft cabin when
suddenly it sounded to me as if the engine was running away.
...
Was it an exhaust type sound, which could be an exhaust leak or header
problem, or a mechanical sound, like a water pump or even alternator
bearing? *Was there a vibration with it? *As the Car Talk guys would
say, "Can you make the sound for us?"

I thought it sounded like a racing engine as if the transmission had
gone wild. * Yes there was vibration. *

Bob (after he got over the idea that it was a big boat following us)
said it was a lot of vibration which you could hear better in the aft
cabin. *He thinks it is the cutlass bearing that is shot, which will
require that we haul the boat to check and if that is it to replace
it. *He will have to take off the prop which will be a pain as it is a
MaxProp

Bob's most likely right. Could be a small object sucked into the
cutlass cooling groves. You do not have to pull the boat to check it.
Just jump in and try to wiggle the shaft prop from side to side and up
and down.

Fred

Boat Problem Question
 

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
. ..
Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-06-22 13:43:44 -0400, Rosalie B. said:

Bob thinks cutlass bearing deteriorating and letting the prop shaft
vibrate. It is about 9 years old.

Oh, just a youngster ;-) We got a new one 15 years ago and it's still
tight -- a check I do each spring just before I change the zincs.

I'm still leaning towards something on the prop. As I read your
account, it sounded like what I hear and feel when the prop cavitates
when we try to punch through waves and get stopped dead in our tracks,
but you didn't have appreciable wind or waves, and you're less at the
mercy of such with your heft.

Keep us up to date, as I'm curious what the cause is.

We pulled the boat yesterday and Bob said the cutlass bearing was
extremely loose and he is pretty sure that was the problem. He said
it was vibrating again on the way over to the haul slip, and there was
nothing on the prop except some barnacles..

He had put a vibration damper spacer in and he thinks he didn't get
the cutlass bearing far enough back to account for that.

However, someone has just emailed me and explained that they change
the cutlass bearing every time they haul the boat as a precaution.
(They only haul about every two years)

The cutlass bearing was deteriorated. I've heard from folks that say
theirs failed in 3 years but normally they lasted them 5-6 years.

Today, he put the cutlass bearing back on the boat, and I came down to
help him put the flange back on. He put ice packs on the shaft, and I
heated the flange up with a torch. He put it on inside the boat and I
hammered it in from the outside. Then we put the Max-Prop back on,
although it took us three or four tries to get it right.

..I took pictures of that which are here - only a dozen photos

Link to view these photos:
http://www.photoworks.com/photo-shar... lb_pml&cb=PW

Boat Problem Question
 

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
Today, he put the cutlass bearing back on the boat, and I came down to
help him put the flange back on. He put ice packs on the shaft, and I
heated the flange up with a torch. He put it on inside the boat and I
hammered it in from the outside. Then we put the Max-Prop back on,
although it took us three or four tries to get it right.
:
http://www.photoworks.com/photo-shar... lb_pml&cb=PW


Looked at the photos and it does seem that the cutlass bearing was put in
from the inside,as you say.
So, what were you hammering in from the outside?

Several of the pics show the assembly of the Maxprop.
You seem to be using a much thicker grease than they recommend for my
Maxprop.
The stuff they recommend for mine is more like a very thick oil.

Boat Problem Question
 

"Edgar" wrote:


"Rosalie B." wrote in message
.. .
Today, he put the cutlass bearing back on the boat, and I came down to
help him put the flange back on. He put ice packs on the shaft, and I
heated the flange up with a torch. He put it on inside the boat and I
hammered it in from the outside. Then we put the Max-Prop back on,
although it took us three or four tries to get it right.
:
http://www.photoworks.com/photo-shar... lb_pml&cb=PW


Looked at the photos and it does seem that the cutlass bearing was put in
from the inside,as you say.

He pulled the old one out from the outside (or at least I gather that
he did that from what he said).

So, what were you hammering in from the outside?

Pushing the shaft into the flange inside the boat. It is a tight fit.

I didn't go up into the boat as I have really bad vertigo and I get
dizzy up on the top of a ladder, so I really didn't see it inside.

Several of the pics show the assembly of the Maxprop.
You seem to be using a much thicker grease than they recommend for my
Maxprop.
The stuff they recommend for mine is more like a very thick oil.

I really don't know as I have only looked at the manual while holding
some piece of machinery in my hand in order to figure out which way
was up.

He would generally prefer that I help without talking, but sometimes
talking is necessary, and sometimes even when you don't like it, it
helps. The trick (for me) is to learn what things to say that might
help and when to shut up.

I think this is a male female thing.