OT - Ping Larry
 

Larry,

I recently downloaded about 500 posts from alt.energy.homepower and
found a thread discussing honda generators and problems they have with
the oil system. I am not sure if this is the same model as you are
using but you might want to research this as apparently there is a
small plastic gear that can be seen through the oil drain hole that
fails and stops oil reaching the cylinder.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

OT - Ping Larry
 

Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
:

I recently downloaded about 500 posts from alt.energy.homepower and
found a thread discussing honda generators and problems they have with
the oil system. I am not sure if this is the same model as you are
using but you might want to research this as apparently there is a
small plastic gear that can be seen through the oil drain hole that
fails and stops oil reaching the cylinder.


Huh?? I think my EU3000is and I know my EU1000i little suitcase have the
same "oil system" as my lawn mower....the crank splashes the oil all over
the crankcase when it comes down, including the rings. There's no little
gear inside either one of mine, because I use a rubber water bulb made
for battery acid to suck out the old oil, cleanly and pump in new oil.
These little one cylinder engines have no "oil system"....

My EM5000X 11hp slant single had no oil system, either....

Must be the twin cylinder big gensets, the ones with the OIL FILTERS they
are talking about....like the RV units.

OT - Ping Larry
 

On Mon, 05 May 2008 02:43:17 +0000, Larry wrote:

Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
:

I recently downloaded about 500 posts from alt.energy.homepower and
found a thread discussing honda generators and problems they have with
the oil system. I am not sure if this is the same model as you are
using but you might want to research this as apparently there is a
small plastic gear that can be seen through the oil drain hole that
fails and stops oil reaching the cylinder.


Huh?? I think my EU3000is and I know my EU1000i little suitcase have the
same "oil system" as my lawn mower....the crank splashes the oil all over
the crankcase when it comes down, including the rings. There's no little
gear inside either one of mine, because I use a rubber water bulb made
for battery acid to suck out the old oil, cleanly and pump in new oil.
These little one cylinder engines have no "oil system"....

My EM5000X 11hp slant single had no oil system, either....

Must be the twin cylinder big gensets, the ones with the OIL FILTERS they
are talking about....like the RV units.

They appear to be talking about EU 2000's.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

OT - Ping Larry
 

Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
:

They appear to be talking about EU 2000's.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)



These engines are just little one lunger, OHV 4-strokers. There's no
filter/pump/oil system. It's just a splash oil with the usual oil
grooves in appropriate places to maximize shareholder profits and wear
out at the end of the SHORT warrantee period so you can buy more.
They're no different than the cheap Chinese brands. As a matter of fact,
at one of our local auto parts stores, they sell some cheap Chinese
portable gensets because I live in hurricane country and Americans are
too stupid to force the power corporations to BURY the 1930 overhead wire
power system. There are TWO models there with these Chinese 11hp slant
single cylinder engines hooked to a 60 Hz, 2-pole alternator. The engine
is the EXACT same engine Honda uses on its EM5000X genset that sells for
a thousand dollars more money. The motor mounts Honda uses are not used
but the castings are exactly the same. The places on the casting where
HONDA and its numbers are stamped on the Honda gensets are simply
polished metal with no markings on them. The power switch, carb,
cylinder head, etc., are all identical. Honda buys them, stamps HONDA on
them and bolts on a different alternator and frame.

EU2000i has no oil pump. It does have a vacuum pulse diaphram fuel pump
like both my Honda gensets, a little plastic pump to meter the fuel
pressure to the float carb.

OT - Ping Larry
 

On Mon, 05 May 2008 02:43:17 +0000, Larry wrote:

Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
:

I recently downloaded about 500 posts from alt.energy.homepower and
found a thread discussing honda generators and problems they have with
the oil system. I am not sure if this is the same model as you are
using but you might want to research this as apparently there is a
small plastic gear that can be seen through the oil drain hole that
fails and stops oil reaching the cylinder.


Huh?? I think my EU3000is and I know my EU1000i little suitcase have the
same "oil system" as my lawn mower....the crank splashes the oil all over
the crankcase when it comes down, including the rings. There's no little
gear inside either one of mine, because I use a rubber water bulb made
for battery acid to suck out the old oil, cleanly and pump in new oil.
These little one cylinder engines have no "oil system"....

My EM5000X 11hp slant single had no oil system, either....

Splash might be considered a lubricating "system."
Since I was curious I did a little searching.
The gear Bruce referred to is the governor gear.
Parts of that plastic gear assembly are paddles to splash oil.
Not clear if they are for splashing the cylinder walls, but I did read
one description of them splashing the internal timing belt which
carries the oil to the valve assembly (rockers, lifters).
In any case, it has caused some premature failures.
Since the cost of repairing these engines seems pretty high, I don't
know if it's a good thing to look in that drain hole to have it tell
you "You're f**ked."
Since replacement involves getting down to splitting the crankcase,
unless you're adept at engine repair you might be better off not
knowing about those paddles, and let it run until it's just time to
buy a new one.
But all true info is basically good to know (-:

--Vic

OT - Ping Larry
 

Larry, This time your talking ****. Yes, the Chinese make generators that
are carbon copies of the Honda, but Honda does NOT buy them and relable
them. In point of fact they PROSECUTE the importers for patent violation.
There is a huge effort in Europe going on right now to eliminate these
patent violations. This is a very large problem in China, because this is
not a single company violating theses patents, but literally hundreds of
companies all independent of each other.
Steve

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
:

They appear to be talking about EU 2000's.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)



These engines are just little one lunger, OHV 4-strokers. There's no
filter/pump/oil system. It's just a splash oil with the usual oil
grooves in appropriate places to maximize shareholder profits and wear
out at the end of the SHORT warrantee period so you can buy more.
They're no different than the cheap Chinese brands. As a matter of fact,
at one of our local auto parts stores, they sell some cheap Chinese
portable gensets because I live in hurricane country and Americans are
too stupid to force the power corporations to BURY the 1930 overhead wire
power system. There are TWO models there with these Chinese 11hp slant
single cylinder engines hooked to a 60 Hz, 2-pole alternator. The engine
is the EXACT same engine Honda uses on its EM5000X genset that sells for
a thousand dollars more money. The motor mounts Honda uses are not used
but the castings are exactly the same. The places on the casting where
HONDA and its numbers are stamped on the Honda gensets are simply
polished metal with no markings on them. The power switch, carb,
cylinder head, etc., are all identical. Honda buys them, stamps HONDA on
them and bolts on a different alternator and frame.

EU2000i has no oil pump. It does have a vacuum pulse diaphram fuel pump
like both my Honda gensets, a little plastic pump to meter the fuel
pressure to the float carb.

OT - Ping Larry
 

"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message
...
Larry, This time your talking ****. Yes, the Chinese make generators that
are carbon copies of the Honda, but Honda does NOT buy them and relable
them. In point of fact they PROSECUTE the importers for patent violation.
There is a huge effort in Europe going on right now to eliminate these
patent violations. This is a very large problem in China, because this is
not a single company violating theses patents, but literally hundreds of
companies all independent of each other.
Steve


This is a problem... patent violations... that go well beyond Honda
engines... why we continue to pander to the Chinese gov't is only clear when
you realize how much they're country is a part of our economy. No one in the
current administration nor most in Congress seem all that concerned by the
Chinese's use of torture and massive human rights violations.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

OT - Ping Larry
 

"Steve Lusardi" wrote in
:

Larry, This time your talking ****. Yes, the Chinese make generators
that are carbon copies of the Honda, but Honda does NOT buy them and
relable them. In point of fact they PROSECUTE the importers for patent
violation. There is a huge effort in Europe going on right now to
eliminate these patent violations. This is a very large problem in
China, because this is not a single company violating theses patents,
but literally hundreds of companies all independent of each other.
Steve


Same engine. I stand by my statement. Even the plastic oil dipstick is
EXACTLY the same item....

OT - Ping Larry
 

Vic Smith wrote in
:

Since the cost of repairing these engines seems pretty high

Repairing Rolls Royce and Maybach engines is cheaper than repairing
ANYTHING Honda makes....

The non-descript V-belt that drives my Honda Reflex 250cc scooter is
$81.25. Ask any Honda dealer. To clean out its one barrel carb on this
one cylinder engine, replace the spark plug (only $2.50 for the plug, I
was amazed.) and replace the drive belt came to $632.11 at Velocity
Powersports, the Honda dealer in Summerville, SC. This negated most all
the money saved by the scooter getting 75 mpg for the last year. I might
as well have driven a Mercedes....

I asked them about just replacing this simple, one bbl carb instead of
3.5 hours of labor to "clean it". A new 1 bbl carb is over $480 for this
1 cylinder Honda engine.

I'm taking it back to the dealer in the morning. It's now about 10 mph
shy of its normal top speed and takes a lot more throttle to get above
50, and the engine runs quite a bit hotter, indicating to me we have a
mixture or timing problem, now. I told the dealer's service mgr I was
PREPAID to get this bike fixed, properly. We'll see.....I'm not a happy
camper this past weekend.

For $632.11, I'll sue to get it fixed if it comes to that. Honda service
at any dealer in SC is a total ripoff.

OT - Ping Larry
 

On Mon, 05 May 2008 13:05:10 +0000, Larry wrote:

Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
:

They appear to be talking about EU 2000's.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)



These engines are just little one lunger, OHV 4-strokers. There's no
filter/pump/oil system. It's just a splash oil with the usual oil
grooves in appropriate places to maximize shareholder profits and wear
out at the end of the SHORT warrantee period so you can buy more.
They're no different than the cheap Chinese brands. As a matter of fact,
at one of our local auto parts stores, they sell some cheap Chinese
portable gensets because I live in hurricane country and Americans are
too stupid to force the power corporations to BURY the 1930 overhead wire
power system. There are TWO models there with these Chinese 11hp slant
single cylinder engines hooked to a 60 Hz, 2-pole alternator. The engine
is the EXACT same engine Honda uses on its EM5000X genset that sells for
a thousand dollars more money. The motor mounts Honda uses are not used
but the castings are exactly the same. The places on the casting where
HONDA and its numbers are stamped on the Honda gensets are simply
polished metal with no markings on them. The power switch, carb,
cylinder head, etc., are all identical. Honda buys them, stamps HONDA on
them and bolts on a different alternator and frame.

EU2000i has no oil pump. It does have a vacuum pulse diaphram fuel pump
like both my Honda gensets, a little plastic pump to meter the fuel
pressure to the float carb.


Larry, you told me about your Honda generators. I read a thread about
several guys who had EU2000's and had oil problems that THEY
attributed to a plastic gear in the crankcase. I wrote you to pass on
the information because I thought you might be interested in this
information and the thread was talking about a ruined engine - piston
and cylinder.

I don't really care because I don't own a Honda generator. I just
thought that you might.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

OT - Ping Larry
 

On Mon, 5 May 2008 12:45:54 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message
...
Larry, This time your talking ****. Yes, the Chinese make generators that
are carbon copies of the Honda, but Honda does NOT buy them and relable
them. In point of fact they PROSECUTE the importers for patent violation.
There is a huge effort in Europe going on right now to eliminate these
patent violations. This is a very large problem in China, because this is
not a single company violating theses patents, but literally hundreds of
companies all independent of each other.
Steve


This is a problem... patent violations... that go well beyond Honda
engines... why we continue to pander to the Chinese gov't is only clear when
you realize how much they're country is a part of our economy. No one in the
current administration nor most in Congress seem all that concerned by the
Chinese's use of torture and massive human rights violations.


From some of your other posts I am assuming that you are a U.S.
resident, or citizen. The question is should a U.S. citizen be
throwing slings and arrows at another country about the use of
"torture"? Or, for that matter, violation of "human rights"? I thought
that torture was an officially approved activity in the U.S. - at
least I read that Bush had condoned it.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

OT - Ping Larry
 

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 5 May 2008 12:45:54 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message
...
Larry, This time your talking ****. Yes, the Chinese make generators
that
are carbon copies of the Honda, but Honda does NOT buy them and relable
them. In point of fact they PROSECUTE the importers for patent
violation.
There is a huge effort in Europe going on right now to eliminate these
patent violations. This is a very large problem in China, because this
is
not a single company violating theses patents, but literally hundreds of
companies all independent of each other.
Steve


This is a problem... patent violations... that go well beyond Honda
engines... why we continue to pander to the Chinese gov't is only clear
when
you realize how much they're country is a part of our economy. No one in
the
current administration nor most in Congress seem all that concerned by the
Chinese's use of torture and massive human rights violations.


From some of your other posts I am assuming that you are a U.S.
resident, or citizen. The question is should a U.S. citizen be
throwing slings and arrows at another country about the use of
"torture"? Or, for that matter, violation of "human rights"? I thought
that torture was an officially approved activity in the U.S. - at
least I read that Bush had condoned it.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)


Yes... US citizen, and I'm thoroughly embarassed by that dope in the White
House. Unfortunately, that's what we have. Unfortunately, he's not that much
worse than previous administrations in how they dealt with China. I would
also add that while we may have had more than a few questionable practices
going on wrt to torture/human rights, I don't think the US can really be
compared poorly or even close to poorly with China.

I think as a US citizen I have an obligation to condemn the use of such
practices, whether originating from here or elsewhere.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

OT - Ping Larry
 

On Mon, 5 May 2008 19:16:41 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 5 May 2008 12:45:54 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message
...
Larry, This time your talking ****. Yes, the Chinese make generators
that
are carbon copies of the Honda, but Honda does NOT buy them and relable
them. In point of fact they PROSECUTE the importers for patent
violation.
There is a huge effort in Europe going on right now to eliminate these
patent violations. This is a very large problem in China, because this
is
not a single company violating theses patents, but literally hundreds of
companies all independent of each other.
Steve


This is a problem... patent violations... that go well beyond Honda
engines... why we continue to pander to the Chinese gov't is only clear
when
you realize how much they're country is a part of our economy. No one in
the
current administration nor most in Congress seem all that concerned by the
Chinese's use of torture and massive human rights violations.


From some of your other posts I am assuming that you are a U.S.
resident, or citizen. The question is should a U.S. citizen be
throwing slings and arrows at another country about the use of
"torture"? Or, for that matter, violation of "human rights"? I thought
that torture was an officially approved activity in the U.S. - at
least I read that Bush had condoned it.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)


Yes... US citizen, and I'm thoroughly embarassed by that dope in the White
House. Unfortunately, that's what we have. Unfortunately, he's not that much
worse than previous administrations in how they dealt with China. I would
also add that while we may have had more than a few questionable practices
going on wrt to torture/human rights, I don't think the US can really be
compared poorly or even close to poorly with China.

I think as a US citizen I have an obligation to condemn the use of such
practices, whether originating from here or elsewhere.


Of course you have the right, and possibly even the moral duty, to
condemn such practices, but why limit yourself to China? Nearly all
Asian countries treat their citizens the same. Some make "nice, nice,"
noises but in practice the government is right and the individual is
at their mercy, and I'm not so sure that this philosophy isn't the
prevailing political philosophy throughout the world.

I'm too lazy to do it but perhaps you might be interested in making a
list of all the countries that actually, in practice, really, truly,
protect the human rights of their citizens/residents vis-a-vis the
countries that don't.

In Asia, in Japan, China Taiwan, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Thailand,
Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia, to my personal knowledge, the
Government is RIGHT and the people have few, if any, real rights
against the Government. I have no actual knowledge of Africa but from
what I read in the newspaper the general population is "rightless".
Certainly in all the Moslem countries "Human Rights" run a distant
second to the word of the Imam.

So that is, possibly, the majority of the world's population. Care to
go on from there?

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

OT - Ping Larry
 

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
...
Yes... US citizen, and I'm thoroughly embarassed by that dope in the White
House. Unfortunately, that's what we have. Unfortunately, he's not that
much
worse than previous administrations in how they dealt with China. I would
also add that while we may have had more than a few questionable practices
going on wrt to torture/human rights, I don't think the US can really be
compared poorly or even close to poorly with China.

I think as a US citizen I have an obligation to condemn the use of such
practices, whether originating from here or elsewhere.


Of course you have the right, and possibly even the moral duty, to
condemn such practices, but why limit yourself to China? Nearly all
Asian countries treat their citizens the same. Some make "nice, nice,"
noises but in practice the government is right and the individual is
at their mercy, and I'm not so sure that this philosophy isn't the
prevailing political philosophy throughout the world.

I'm too lazy to do it but perhaps you might be interested in making a
list of all the countries that actually, in practice, really, truly,
protect the human rights of their citizens/residents vis-a-vis the
countries that don't.

In Asia, in Japan, China Taiwan, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Thailand,
Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia, to my personal knowledge, the
Government is RIGHT and the people have few, if any, real rights
against the Government. I have no actual knowledge of Africa but from
what I read in the newspaper the general population is "rightless".
Certainly in all the Moslem countries "Human Rights" run a distant
second to the word of the Imam.

So that is, possibly, the majority of the world's population. Care to
go on from there?

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)


I think I'll stick with "Of course you have the right, and possibly even the
moral duty, to condemn such practices...." :-)

I'm sure you're right also that it's not limited to China. That country was
the topic of discussion, and it was being compared to the US. I limited my
response to the topic.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

OT - Ping Larry
 

From some of your other posts I am assuming that you are a U.S.
resident, or citizen. The question is should a U.S. citizen be
throwing slings and arrows at another country about the use of
"torture"? Or, for that matter, violation of "human rights"? I thought
that torture was an officially approved activity in the U.S. - at
least I read that Bush had condoned it.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

'pends on what your definition of is is.

OT - Ping Larry
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in
news:VtidnZelluIVIoLVnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@bayareasolut ions:

I don't think the US can really be
compared poorly or even close to poorly with China.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=A-NpdoGkaEc

Start here and educate yourself.....

then listen to this soldier:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VwwMF6biCJU

You've been watching too much Israeli-controlled American television news.

OT - Ping Larry
 

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote in
news:VtidnZelluIVIoLVnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@bayareasolut ions:

I don't think the US can really be
compared poorly or even close to poorly with China.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=A-NpdoGkaEc

Start here and educate yourself.....

then listen to this soldier:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VwwMF6biCJU

You've been watching too much Israeli-controlled American television news.



Yeah, but the Israelis sure are good at taking out nuclear reactors they
don't like.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

OT - Ping Larry
 

On Tue, 06 May 2008 08:50:27 -0700, Gordon wrote:



From some of your other posts I am assuming that you are a U.S.
resident, or citizen. The question is should a U.S. citizen be
throwing slings and arrows at another country about the use of
"torture"? Or, for that matter, violation of "human rights"? I thought
that torture was an officially approved activity in the U.S. - at
least I read that Bush had condoned it.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

'pends on what your definition of is is.

Yes, you are probably correct.... If you want to avoid answering the
question of whether a citizen/resident in a country that condones
torture should condemn torture in another country.

I think the word you are looking for is "hypocrite".


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)