Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
news
They appear to be talking about EU 2000's.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)



These engines are just little one lunger, OHV 4-strokers. There's no
filter/pump/oil system. It's just a splash oil with the usual oil
grooves in appropriate places to maximize shareholder profits and wear
out at the end of the SHORT warrantee period so you can buy more.
They're no different than the cheap Chinese brands. As a matter of fact,
at one of our local auto parts stores, they sell some cheap Chinese
portable gensets because I live in hurricane country and Americans are
too stupid to force the power corporations to BURY the 1930 overhead wire
power system. There are TWO models there with these Chinese 11hp slant
single cylinder engines hooked to a 60 Hz, 2-pole alternator. The engine
is the EXACT same engine Honda uses on its EM5000X genset that sells for
a thousand dollars more money. The motor mounts Honda uses are not used
but the castings are exactly the same. The places on the casting where
HONDA and its numbers are stamped on the Honda gensets are simply
polished metal with no markings on them. The power switch, carb,
cylinder head, etc., are all identical. Honda buys them, stamps HONDA on
them and bolts on a different alternator and frame.

EU2000i has no oil pump. It does have a vacuum pulse diaphram fuel pump
like both my Honda gensets, a little plastic pump to meter the fuel
pressure to the float carb.

Larry, This time your talking ****. Yes, the Chinese make generators that
are carbon copies of the Honda, but Honda does NOT buy them and relable
them. In point of fact they PROSECUTE the importers for patent violation.
There is a huge effort in Europe going on right now to eliminate these
patent violations. This is a very large problem in China, because this is
not a single company violating theses patents, but literally hundreds of
companies all independent of each other.
Steve

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
news
They appear to be talking about EU 2000's.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)



These engines are just little one lunger, OHV 4-strokers. There's no
filter/pump/oil system. It's just a splash oil with the usual oil
grooves in appropriate places to maximize shareholder profits and wear
out at the end of the SHORT warrantee period so you can buy more.
They're no different than the cheap Chinese brands. As a matter of fact,
at one of our local auto parts stores, they sell some cheap Chinese
portable gensets because I live in hurricane country and Americans are
too stupid to force the power corporations to BURY the 1930 overhead wire
power system. There are TWO models there with these Chinese 11hp slant
single cylinder engines hooked to a 60 Hz, 2-pole alternator. The engine
is the EXACT same engine Honda uses on its EM5000X genset that sells for
a thousand dollars more money. The motor mounts Honda uses are not used
but the castings are exactly the same. The places on the casting where
HONDA and its numbers are stamped on the Honda gensets are simply
polished metal with no markings on them. The power switch, carb,
cylinder head, etc., are all identical. Honda buys them, stamps HONDA on
them and bolts on a different alternator and frame.

EU2000i has no oil pump. It does have a vacuum pulse diaphram fuel pump
like both my Honda gensets, a little plastic pump to meter the fuel
pressure to the float carb.

"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message
...
Larry, This time your talking ****. Yes, the Chinese make generators that
are carbon copies of the Honda, but Honda does NOT buy them and relable
them. In point of fact they PROSECUTE the importers for patent violation.
There is a huge effort in Europe going on right now to eliminate these
patent violations. This is a very large problem in China, because this is
not a single company violating theses patents, but literally hundreds of
companies all independent of each other.
Steve


This is a problem... patent violations... that go well beyond Honda
engines... why we continue to pander to the Chinese gov't is only clear when
you realize how much they're country is a part of our economy. No one in the
current administration nor most in Congress seem all that concerned by the
Chinese's use of torture and massive human rights violations.

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On Mon, 5 May 2008 12:45:54 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message
...
Larry, This time your talking ****. Yes, the Chinese make generators that
are carbon copies of the Honda, but Honda does NOT buy them and relable
them. In point of fact they PROSECUTE the importers for patent violation.
There is a huge effort in Europe going on right now to eliminate these
patent violations. This is a very large problem in China, because this is
not a single company violating theses patents, but literally hundreds of
companies all independent of each other.
Steve


This is a problem... patent violations... that go well beyond Honda
engines... why we continue to pander to the Chinese gov't is only clear when
you realize how much they're country is a part of our economy. No one in the
current administration nor most in Congress seem all that concerned by the
Chinese's use of torture and massive human rights violations.


From some of your other posts I am assuming that you are a U.S.
resident, or citizen. The question is should a U.S. citizen be
throwing slings and arrows at another country about the use of
"torture"? Or, for that matter, violation of "human rights"? I thought
that torture was an officially approved activity in the U.S. - at
least I read that Bush had condoned it.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 5 May 2008 12:45:54 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message
...
Larry, This time your talking ****. Yes, the Chinese make generators
that
are carbon copies of the Honda, but Honda does NOT buy them and relable
them. In point of fact they PROSECUTE the importers for patent
violation.
There is a huge effort in Europe going on right now to eliminate these
patent violations. This is a very large problem in China, because this
is
not a single company violating theses patents, but literally hundreds of
companies all independent of each other.
Steve


This is a problem... patent violations... that go well beyond Honda
engines... why we continue to pander to the Chinese gov't is only clear
when
you realize how much they're country is a part of our economy. No one in
the
current administration nor most in Congress seem all that concerned by the
Chinese's use of torture and massive human rights violations.


From some of your other posts I am assuming that you are a U.S.
resident, or citizen. The question is should a U.S. citizen be
throwing slings and arrows at another country about the use of
"torture"? Or, for that matter, violation of "human rights"? I thought
that torture was an officially approved activity in the U.S. - at
least I read that Bush had condoned it.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)


Yes... US citizen, and I'm thoroughly embarassed by that dope in the White
House. Unfortunately, that's what we have. Unfortunately, he's not that much
worse than previous administrations in how they dealt with China. I would
also add that while we may have had more than a few questionable practices
going on wrt to torture/human rights, I don't think the US can really be
compared poorly or even close to poorly with China.

I think as a US citizen I have an obligation to condemn the use of such
practices, whether originating from here or elsewhere.


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www.sailnow.com

On Mon, 5 May 2008 19:16:41 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 5 May 2008 12:45:54 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message
...
Larry, This time your talking ****. Yes, the Chinese make generators
that
are carbon copies of the Honda, but Honda does NOT buy them and relable
them. In point of fact they PROSECUTE the importers for patent
violation.
There is a huge effort in Europe going on right now to eliminate these
patent violations. This is a very large problem in China, because this
is
not a single company violating theses patents, but literally hundreds of
companies all independent of each other.
Steve


This is a problem... patent violations... that go well beyond Honda
engines... why we continue to pander to the Chinese gov't is only clear
when
you realize how much they're country is a part of our economy. No one in
the
current administration nor most in Congress seem all that concerned by the
Chinese's use of torture and massive human rights violations.


From some of your other posts I am assuming that you are a U.S.
resident, or citizen. The question is should a U.S. citizen be
throwing slings and arrows at another country about the use of
"torture"? Or, for that matter, violation of "human rights"? I thought
that torture was an officially approved activity in the U.S. - at
least I read that Bush had condoned it.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)


Yes... US citizen, and I'm thoroughly embarassed by that dope in the White
House. Unfortunately, that's what we have. Unfortunately, he's not that much
worse than previous administrations in how they dealt with China. I would
also add that while we may have had more than a few questionable practices
going on wrt to torture/human rights, I don't think the US can really be
compared poorly or even close to poorly with China.

I think as a US citizen I have an obligation to condemn the use of such
practices, whether originating from here or elsewhere.


Of course you have the right, and possibly even the moral duty, to
condemn such practices, but why limit yourself to China? Nearly all
Asian countries treat their citizens the same. Some make "nice, nice,"
noises but in practice the government is right and the individual is
at their mercy, and I'm not so sure that this philosophy isn't the
prevailing political philosophy throughout the world.

I'm too lazy to do it but perhaps you might be interested in making a
list of all the countries that actually, in practice, really, truly,
protect the human rights of their citizens/residents vis-a-vis the
countries that don't.

In Asia, in Japan, China Taiwan, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Thailand,
Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia, to my personal knowledge, the
Government is RIGHT and the people have few, if any, real rights
against the Government. I have no actual knowledge of Africa but from
what I read in the newspaper the general population is "rightless".
Certainly in all the Moslem countries "Human Rights" run a distant
second to the word of the Imam.

So that is, possibly, the majority of the world's population. Care to
go on from there?

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
...
Yes... US citizen, and I'm thoroughly embarassed by that dope in the White
House. Unfortunately, that's what we have. Unfortunately, he's not that
much
worse than previous administrations in how they dealt with China. I would
also add that while we may have had more than a few questionable practices
going on wrt to torture/human rights, I don't think the US can really be
compared poorly or even close to poorly with China.

I think as a US citizen I have an obligation to condemn the use of such
practices, whether originating from here or elsewhere.


Of course you have the right, and possibly even the moral duty, to
condemn such practices, but why limit yourself to China? Nearly all
Asian countries treat their citizens the same. Some make "nice, nice,"
noises but in practice the government is right and the individual is
at their mercy, and I'm not so sure that this philosophy isn't the
prevailing political philosophy throughout the world.

I'm too lazy to do it but perhaps you might be interested in making a
list of all the countries that actually, in practice, really, truly,
protect the human rights of their citizens/residents vis-a-vis the
countries that don't.

In Asia, in Japan, China Taiwan, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Thailand,
Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia, to my personal knowledge, the
Government is RIGHT and the people have few, if any, real rights
against the Government. I have no actual knowledge of Africa but from
what I read in the newspaper the general population is "rightless".
Certainly in all the Moslem countries "Human Rights" run a distant
second to the word of the Imam.

So that is, possibly, the majority of the world's population. Care to
go on from there?

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)


I think I'll stick with "Of course you have the right, and possibly even the
moral duty, to condemn such practices...." :-)

I'm sure you're right also that it's not limited to China. That country was
the topic of discussion, and it was being compared to the US. I limited my
response to the topic.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in
news:VtidnZelluIVIoLVnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@bayareasolut ions:

I don't think the US can really be
compared poorly or even close to poorly with China.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=A-NpdoGkaEc

Start here and educate yourself.....

then listen to this soldier:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VwwMF6biCJU

You've been watching too much Israeli-controlled American television news.

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote in
news:VtidnZelluIVIoLVnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@bayareasolut ions:

I don't think the US can really be
compared poorly or even close to poorly with China.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=A-NpdoGkaEc

Start here and educate yourself.....

then listen to this soldier:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VwwMF6biCJU

You've been watching too much Israeli-controlled American television news.



Yeah, but the Israelis sure are good at taking out nuclear reactors they
don't like.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

From some of your other posts I am assuming that you are a U.S.
resident, or citizen. The question is should a U.S. citizen be
throwing slings and arrows at another country about the use of
"torture"? Or, for that matter, violation of "human rights"? I thought
that torture was an officially approved activity in the U.S. - at
least I read that Bush had condoned it.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

'pends on what your definition of is is.