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Started out in a bit of haze, then it burned off. Proceeding toward Angel
Island, we encountered the nearly 300-boat annual Vallego Race. They were running downwind from San Francisco toward the Richmond/San Rafeal Bridge when we got there. Fortunately, we didn't interefer at all, having perfect timing... we were at Raccoon Straight when they passed, so had a wonderful view from the stern of Excalibur. No pics, as the camera was down for the count. After they passed we did some minor tacking and jibing, then settled into a quick anchorage called Paradise Cove for lunch. We sailed back across Southhampton dodging some anchored dredges, with towboats standing off. Not sure what was going on with that. I dropped off one person who needed to get back early, then we practiced close quarter maneauvering under power in a couple of the local marinas. The wind mellowed considerably as we headed back up the Richmond deep water channel. As we were coming out of the last marina on our way home, we crossed another boat starboard to starboard, since he was on engine and was kind enough to give us the upwind side. When I asked him if it could possibly get better than this, he hollered over, "no f*cking way!" And, we both smiled and kept going. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
news:0YGdnc6eFaQYZIDVnZ2dnUVZ_tWtnZ2d@bayareasolut ions... Started out in a bit of haze, then it burned off. Proceeding toward Angel Island, we encountered the nearly 300-boat annual Vallejo Race. (- spelling corrected) They were running downwind from San Francisco toward the Richmond/San Rafeal Bridge when we got there. Fortunately, we didn't interefer at all, having perfect timing... we were at Raccoon Straight when they passed, so had a wonderful view from the stern of Excalibur. No pics, as the camera was down for the count. After they passed we did some minor tacking and jibing, then settled into a quick anchorage called Paradise Cove for lunch. We sailed back across Southhampton dodging some anchored dredges, with towboats standing off. Not sure what was going on with that. I dropped off one person who needed to get back early, then we practiced close quarter maneauvering under power in a couple of the local marinas. The wind mellowed considerably as we headed back up the Richmond deep water channel. As we were coming out of the last marina on our way home, we crossed another boat starboard to starboard, since he was on engine and was kind enough to give us the upwind side. When I asked him if it could possibly get better than this, he hollered over, "no f*cking way!" And, we both smiled and kept going. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On May 4, 7:59 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
... I asked him if it could possibly get better than this, he hollered over, "no f*cking way!" And, we both smiled and kept going. ... Sounds sweet, indeed. And I'm glad to hear that people are sailing on the Bay. We're in final panic mode getting the boat ready for sea (and digging out vast piles of warm clothing). "The Plan", such as it is, is to drop the lines here in Honolulu some time this week and head your way (well actually NNE until your way is available to a sailboat) and end up in Emery Cove at some later time... I wouldn't bet money on it or anything, but if it does happen we'll try to check into the Pacific Seafarer's Net using Maryann's call (AH6QR). Sometimes they post people's progress on the net (www.pacsea.org). Cheers and thanks to everyone in the group. -- Tom (NH7SV QRT). |
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... On Sun, 4 May 2008 10:59:34 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: Started out in a bit of haze, then it burned off. Proceeding toward Angel Island, we encountered the nearly 300-boat annual Vallego Race. They were running downwind from San Francisco toward the Richmond/San Rafeal Bridge when we got there. Fortunately, we didn't interefer at all, having perfect timing... we were at Raccoon Straight when they passed, so had a wonderful view from the stern of Excalibur. No pics, as the camera was down for the count. After they passed we did some minor tacking and jibing, then settled into a quick anchorage called Paradise Cove for lunch. We sailed back across Southhampton dodging some anchored dredges, with towboats standing off. Not sure what was going on with that. I dropped off one person who needed to get back early, then we practiced close quarter maneauvering under power in a couple of the local marinas. The wind mellowed considerably as we headed back up the Richmond deep water channel. As we were coming out of the last marina on our way home, we crossed another boat starboard to starboard, since he was on engine and was kind enough to give us the upwind side. When I asked him if it could possibly get better than this, he hollered over, "no f*cking way!" And, we both smiled and kept going. Sounds like a good time was had by all. My boat splashed Friday. I spent yesterday and today installing, adjusting, and so forth. It's DONE. Now all I have to do is make time to sail. I'm hoping to get out for a while tomorrow evening. I'm the only sailboat in the water at my marina. Yeh... go for it! Even though I've been sailing during the off-season, it's always a pleasure when the weather is really nice. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... On May 4, 7:59 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: ... I asked him if it could possibly get better than this, he hollered over, "no f*cking way!" And, we both smiled and kept going. ... Sounds sweet, indeed. And I'm glad to hear that people are sailing on the Bay. We're in final panic mode getting the boat ready for sea (and digging out vast piles of warm clothing). "The Plan", such as it is, is to drop the lines here in Honolulu some time this week and head your way (well actually NNE until your way is available to a sailboat) and end up in Emery Cove at some later time... I wouldn't bet money on it or anything, but if it does happen we'll try to check into the Pacific Seafarer's Net using Maryann's call (AH6QR). Sometimes they post people's progress on the net (www.pacsea.org). Cheers and thanks to everyone in the group. -- Tom (NH7SV QRT). Emory Cove... not far at all from us... drop me a line or give a call when you get here. I assume you have something reserved...although I doubt it'd be a problem finding something. First round is on me! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On May 4, 4:13 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
Emory Cove... not far at all from us... drop me a line or give a call when you get here. I assume you have something reserved...although I doubt it'd be a problem finding something. First round is on me! They claim to have a space on hold for us. Thanks for the offer; I'll do my best to take you up on it! Cheers, -- Tom. |
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"Capt. JG" wrote:
Started out in a bit of haze, then it burned off. Proceeding toward Angel Island, we encountered the nearly 300-boat annual Vallego Race. They were running downwind from San Francisco toward the Richmond/San Rafeal Bridge when we got there. Fortunately, we didn't interefer at all, having perfect timing... we were at Raccoon Straight when they passed, so had a wonderful view from the stern of Excalibur. No pics, as the camera was down for the count. That's a shame, I bet it was a grand sight. SF Bay is always an interesting place to sail with a lot happening. BTW if you need a new camera, check with Martin B .... When I asked him if it could possibly get better than this, he hollered over, "no f*cking way!" And, we both smiled and kept going. Some people apparently find other things to do with their lives, but I don't see why. ;) Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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On Mon, 05 May 2008 06:18:30 -0400, wrote:
We have a problem sailing here in the off season. The water gets too hard... People do sail on ice. At speeds of over a hundred. Casady |
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Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 05 May 2008 06:18:30 -0400, wrote: We have a problem sailing here in the off season. The water gets too hard... People do sail on ice. At speeds of over a hundred. If you have to put an insulating jacket on the beer to keep it from *freezing*, it ain't sailing! Cheers Marty |
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.. . On Mon, 05 May 2008 06:18:30 -0400, wrote: We have a problem sailing here in the off season. The water gets too hard... People do sail on ice. At speeds of over a hundred. Casady Yeah, but not on a C&C. Might be able to do it with a Mac if you raise the cb. :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... "Capt. JG" wrote: Started out in a bit of haze, then it burned off. Proceeding toward Angel Island, we encountered the nearly 300-boat annual Vallego Race. They were running downwind from San Francisco toward the Richmond/San Rafeal Bridge when we got there. Fortunately, we didn't interefer at all, having perfect timing... we were at Raccoon Straight when they passed, so had a wonderful view from the stern of Excalibur. No pics, as the camera was down for the count. That's a shame, I bet it was a grand sight. SF Bay is always an interesting place to sail with a lot happening. BTW if you need a new camera, check with Martin B .... When I asked him if it could possibly get better than this, he hollered over, "no f*cking way!" And, we both smiled and kept going. Some people apparently find other things to do with their lives, but I don't see why. ;) Fresh Breezes- Doug King Coincidentally, our lousy (read old - only had it 6 years) Nikon Coolpix 5000 died, but I now have a very nice D40. Got a great deal locally. There should be some pictures in the next couple of days on http://www.latitude38.com/index.html. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Mon, 05 May 2008 11:32:56 -0400, Martin Baxter
wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Mon, 05 May 2008 06:18:30 -0400, wrote: We have a problem sailing here in the off season. The water gets too hard... People do sail on ice. At speeds of over a hundred. If you have to put an insulating jacket on the beer to keep it from *freezing*, it ain't sailing! You can get clothing designed for snowmobiles at a reasonable price, and it will do the job. Wear a full coverage helmet with a face shield. That will keep the wind off the head. Keep the beer in a cooler, and it will stay cool. Merely cool, not frozen. You can't really drink at those kind of speeds, the wind will blow the beer right out of the can. I learned that at speeds of fifty or so, skiing. There is such a thing as electrically heated clothing, and unlike with skiing, carrying a big enough battery is not hard. Its like ice fishing, and it seems the fishing is real good in the winter. In the summer you dodge the fisherman, in the winter, the same. Ice is not pavement, you won't get road rash if you wind up sliding on it at speed. There are some real sailing junkies out there, obviously. Casady |
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... On 6 May 2008 11:10:01 -0500, Dave wrote: On Tue, 06 May 2008 10:57:59 -0400, said: The Sail Cradle (variation on lazy jacks) worked like a charm, and she marveled at what a help it will be when I'm single handing, or we have to strike the main in rough conditions. Just curious why you chose lazy jacks over the Dutchman system. Older sail? Dave T. What I have is a bit different from traditional lazy jacks. Self adjusting, no modifications to the sail or the sail cover, stores alongside the mast except when being used, no marking of the sails or chafing issues. I've seen the Dutchman system on a few boats, and it just didn't impress me. Some people like it, but I'm just not one of them. My main is a fairly new Kappa. The two upper battens are full, but the two lowers are partials. That isn't especially desirable for use with the Dutchman system either. It's a very individual thing dealing with stowing/deploying sails. I find the Dutchman works great, but I always have the impression that the main won't flake properly, even though it does. I got sick of the lazy jack system on a big cat with full battens, mainly because the battens had a tendency to catch, but for less than full battens, I'm sure they would work fine. I know they make lazy jack systems that move the lines out of the way when you raise the sail, but it seemed like yet more stuff to have attached, and I like the clean lines of the Dutchman. One of my constant concerns is someone will damage/break one of the fishing line-like runs.. not that it would affect raising or lowering the sail. I just don't want to have to replace them. The Dutchman certainly isn't a panacea for all issues raising/lowering/flaking sails. One of the best things I like about them is that they'll work significantly off the wind. If I had full battens, I know the lazy jacks wouldn't work. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Capt. JG wrote: wrote in message ... On 6 May 2008 11:10:01 -0500, Dave wrote: On Tue, 06 May 2008 10:57:59 -0400, said: The Sail Cradle (variation on lazy jacks) worked like a charm, and she marveled at what a help it will be when I'm single handing, or we have to strike the main in rough conditions. Just curious why you chose lazy jacks over the Dutchman system. Older sail? Dave T. What I have is a bit different from traditional lazy jacks. Self adjusting, no modifications to the sail or the sail cover, stores alongside the mast except when being used, no marking of the sails or chafing issues. I've seen the Dutchman system on a few boats, and it just didn't impress me. Some people like it, but I'm just not one of them. My main is a fairly new Kappa. The two upper battens are full, but the two lowers are partials. That isn't especially desirable for use with the Dutchman system either. It's a very individual thing dealing with stowing/deploying sails. I find the Dutchman works great, but I always have the impression that the main won't flake properly, even though it does. I got sick of the lazy jack system on a big cat with full battens, mainly because the battens had a tendency to catch, but for less than full battens, I'm sure they would work fine. I know they make lazy jack systems that move the lines out of the way when you raise the sail, but it seemed like yet more stuff to have attached, and I like the clean lines of the Dutchman. One of my constant concerns is someone will damage/break one of the fishing line-like runs.. not that it would affect raising or lowering the sail. I just don't want to have to replace them. The Dutchman certainly isn't a panacea for all issues raising/lowering/flaking sails. One of the best things I like about them is that they'll work significantly off the wind. If I had full battens, I know the lazy jacks wouldn't work. I have a full battened main and use lazy jacks. I keep them stowed at the mast when I'm raising the sail and under sail and only deploy them before I drop the sail. (IOW, they just stay stowed at the mast except when I'm actually dropping the sail, and remain deployed for the short time it takes me to get back to the dock, at which point I stow them back at the mast for next time. It never catches when dropping the sail so I've not had a problem with them. --Alan Gomes Can't imagine they would catch the battens coming down. Our problem was catching the battens going up. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Can't imagine they would catch the battens coming down. Our problem was catching the battens going up. Precisely. I often read of people who complain about the battens hanging when raising the sail. But that's why I installed mine so I could pull them to the mast, just because of the problem you have mentioned. I only deploy them for dropping the sail, which is when I need them anyway. I guess the issue with some setups is that they cannot be pulled forward to the mast and kept out of the way; they just stay up all the time. --AG Ah... ok. Made me nervous. LOL This is the reason why I chose the other system... yet more stuff to do. Do you have help or do you single hand? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Capt. JG wrote: "Alan Gomes" wrote in message ... Can't imagine they would catch the battens coming down. Our problem was catching the battens going up. Precisely. I often read of people who complain about the battens hanging when raising the sail. But that's why I installed mine so I could pull them to the mast, just because of the problem you have mentioned. I only deploy them for dropping the sail, which is when I need them anyway. I guess the issue with some setups is that they cannot be pulled forward to the mast and kept out of the way; they just stay up all the time. --AG Ah... ok. Made me nervous. LOL This is the reason why I chose the other system... yet more stuff to do. Do you have help or do you single hand? I usually single hand. Sometimes even with non-sailing guests it amounts to the same thing. :-) It is true that I have to go to the mast to release the jacks before dropping the sail. Takes less than 30 seconds. But it really does help with flaking the sail, and actually keeps it secure enough so I could dispense with sail ties until I get into the dock. But typically I put on a few ties to hold it and then pretty it up when I'm back at the dock, before I put on the sail cover. So while not perfect it is definitely a net positive. Alan Gomes Yeah, I pretty much do the same thing with the dutchman. I pop the halyard, give a couple of tugs to get the mail all the way down, then one tie with the halyard captured underneath it. On the way back to the cockpit, I flip the clew end of the main onto the boom, and it pretty much stays. If the wind is really up, then I'll put another tie on near the leach. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Capt. JG wrote: "Alan Gomes" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Alan Gomes" wrote in message ... Can't imagine they would catch the battens coming down. Our problem was catching the battens going up. Precisely. I often read of people who complain about the battens hanging when raising the sail. But that's why I installed mine so I could pull them to the mast, just because of the problem you have mentioned. I only deploy them for dropping the sail, which is when I need them anyway. I guess the issue with some setups is that they cannot be pulled forward to the mast and kept out of the way; they just stay up all the time. --AG Ah... ok. Made me nervous. LOL This is the reason why I chose the other system... yet more stuff to do. Do you have help or do you single hand? I usually single hand. Sometimes even with non-sailing guests it amounts to the same thing. :-) It is true that I have to go to the mast to release the jacks before dropping the sail. Takes less than 30 seconds. But it really does help with flaking the sail, and actually keeps it secure enough so I could dispense with sail ties until I get into the dock. But typically I put on a few ties to hold it and then pretty it up when I'm back at the dock, before I put on the sail cover. So while not perfect it is definitely a net positive. Alan Gomes Yeah, I pretty much do the same thing with the dutchman. I pop the halyard, give a couple of tugs to get the mail all the way down, then one tie with the halyard captured underneath it. On the way back to the cockpit, I flip the clew end of the main onto the boom, and it pretty much stays. If the wind is really up, then I'll put another tie on near the leach. Though I've never used it the Dutchman sounds like a really nice system. What do they cost? I was able to install my own lazy jacks quite inexpensively and it was easy to do. Alan Gomes The biggest issue is getting the holes made in your sail, which needs to be done by a sailmaker familiar with the system (pretty easy to find). As I recall, it was about twice what a LJ system would cost if you bought it, including the sail modificiation. Unlike the LJ system, this would have to be done every time you switch mains. The first question I asked Quantum (who did the mods) was, "Is it worth it for my main?" This was sort of a loaded question, since they're in the business of selling sails. One of the sales/tech guys took a look and said it was worth it, given the good condition of the main. Here's a promo video... http://www.mvbinfo.com/dp_03_SF_brochure.html Here's an article on sailnet: http://www.sailnet.com/forums/gear-m...an-system.html Here's a pro/con by the Dutchman maker: http://www.sailnet.com/forums/gear-m...pros-cons.html -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Alan Gomes wrote:
Capt. JG wrote: "Alan Gomes" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Alan Gomes" wrote in message ... Can't imagine they would catch the battens coming down. Our problem was catching the battens going up. Precisely. I often read of people who complain about the battens hanging when raising the sail. But that's why I installed mine so I could pull them to the mast, just because of the problem you have mentioned. I only deploy them for dropping the sail, which is when I need them anyway. I guess the issue with some setups is that they cannot be pulled forward to the mast and kept out of the way; they just stay up all the time. --AG Ah... ok. Made me nervous. LOL This is the reason why I chose the other system... yet more stuff to do. Do you have help or do you single hand? I usually single hand. Sometimes even with non-sailing guests it amounts to the same thing. :-) It is true that I have to go to the mast to release the jacks before dropping the sail. Takes less than 30 seconds. But it really does help with flaking the sail, and actually keeps it secure enough so I could dispense with sail ties until I get into the dock. But typically I put on a few ties to hold it and then pretty it up when I'm back at the dock, before I put on the sail cover. So while not perfect it is definitely a net positive. Alan Gomes Yeah, I pretty much do the same thing with the dutchman. I pop the halyard, give a couple of tugs to get the mail all the way down, then one tie with the halyard captured underneath it. On the way back to the cockpit, I flip the clew end of the main onto the boom, and it pretty much stays. If the wind is really up, then I'll put another tie on near the leach. Though I've never used it the Dutchman sounds like a really nice system. What do they cost? I was able to install my own lazy jacks quite inexpensively and it was easy to do. Alan Gomes Dutchman can get expensive as they recommend your sailmaker and rigger do the work. It requires some holes punched in your sails. It is a nice system. http://www.doylesails.com/dutchman.htm Gordon |
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