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Gordon April 29th 08 06:46 PM

Pecking order
 
Lot of talk here lately about regs and rules so thought I would post
this tidbit I stumbled across

New Reels Catch Fish So Purchase Some - or NRCFSPS. 1) Nuc (Not Under
Command). 2) Ram (Restricted In Ability To Maneuver). 3) Cbd
(Constrained By Draft). 4) Fishing. (Commercial only, all types except
trolling). 5) Sailing. 6) Powerboat. 7) Seaplane. For details, refer to
the bible: USCG Navigation Rules COMDTINST M16672.2C.

Gordon

Jeff April 29th 08 07:45 PM

Pecking order
 
Gordon wrote:
Lot of talk here lately about regs and rules so thought I would post
this tidbit I stumbled across

New Reels Catch Fish So Purchase Some - or NRCFSPS. 1) Nuc (Not Under
Command). 2) Ram (Restricted In Ability To Maneuver). 3) Cbd
(Constrained By Draft). 4) Fishing. (Commercial only, all types except
trolling). 5) Sailing. 6) Powerboat. 7) Seaplane. For details, refer to
the bible: USCG Navigation Rules COMDTINST M16672.2C.


I learned it with one addition:

New Reels Catch Fish So Purchase Some OFTEN

where "Overtaking" occupies slot 8 in the pecking order.

Whenever this is discussed I feel compelled to point out two things.
First, there is no order in the rules between NUC and RAM, they are
"tied" for first place. One must remember that a NUC is not totally
disabled, it is only unable to fully comply with the rules. Further, a
RAM may in fact be completely unable to move. An example might be the a
NUC with a faulty transmission but able to steer should keep clear of a
dredge that is completely unable to move.

The other point is more subtle. In most of the relationships, such as
between sail and powerboats, there is a Give Way and a Stand On vessel,
where the Give Way must "keep out the the way" of the Stand On. But
in the case of a CBD (and in the related Narrow Channel rules) the
burdened vessel must only "not impede" the other. The distinction is
often explained as the Stand On vessel should not have to alter speed or
course (in fact, Rule 17 requires that she not alter speed or course),
while a vessel not impeding only means that you must give the CBD vessel
a reasonable path. The reason why this distinction is important is that
both relationships may be in force. That is, a Sailboat may be Stand
On to a CBD that it must not impede.

Of course, one shouldn't assume everyone fully appreciates these points!





Capt. JG April 29th 08 08:12 PM

Pecking order
 
"jeff" wrote in message
...
Gordon wrote:
Lot of talk here lately about regs and rules so thought I would post
this tidbit I stumbled across

New Reels Catch Fish So Purchase Some - or NRCFSPS. 1) Nuc (Not Under
Command). 2) Ram (Restricted In Ability To Maneuver). 3) Cbd (Constrained
By Draft). 4) Fishing. (Commercial only, all types except trolling). 5)
Sailing. 6) Powerboat. 7) Seaplane. For details, refer to the bible: USCG
Navigation Rules COMDTINST M16672.2C.


I learned it with one addition:

New Reels Catch Fish So Purchase Some OFTEN

where "Overtaking" occupies slot 8 in the pecking order.

Whenever this is discussed I feel compelled to point out two things.
First, there is no order in the rules between NUC and RAM, they are "tied"
for first place. One must remember that a NUC is not totally disabled, it
is only unable to fully comply with the rules. Further, a RAM may in fact
be completely unable to move. An example might be the a NUC with a faulty
transmission but able to steer should keep clear of a dredge that is
completely unable to move.

The other point is more subtle. In most of the relationships, such as
between sail and powerboats, there is a Give Way and a Stand On vessel,
where the Give Way must "keep out the the way" of the Stand On. But in
the case of a CBD (and in the related Narrow Channel rules) the burdened
vessel must only "not impede" the other. The distinction is often
explained as the Stand On vessel should not have to alter speed or course
(in fact, Rule 17 requires that she not alter speed or course), while a
vessel not impeding only means that you must give the CBD vessel a
reasonable path. The reason why this distinction is important is that
both relationships may be in force. That is, a Sailboat may be Stand On
to a CBD that it must not impede.

Of course, one shouldn't assume everyone fully appreciates these points!


I think what one should assume is that everyone doesn't fully appreciate
these points!

LOL

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




Wilbur Hubbard[_2_] April 29th 08 10:18 PM

Pecking order
 

"jeff" wrote in message
...
Gordon wrote:
Lot of talk here lately about regs and rules so thought I would post
this tidbit I stumbled across

New Reels Catch Fish So Purchase Some - or NRCFSPS. 1) Nuc (Not Under
Command). 2) Ram (Restricted In Ability To Maneuver). 3) Cbd (Constrained
By Draft). 4) Fishing. (Commercial only, all types except trolling). 5)
Sailing. 6) Powerboat. 7) Seaplane. For details, refer to the bible: USCG
Navigation Rules COMDTINST M16672.2C.


I learned it with one addition:

New Reels Catch Fish So Purchase Some OFTEN

where "Overtaking" occupies slot 8 in the pecking order.

Whenever this is discussed I feel compelled to point out two things.
First, there is no order in the rules between NUC and RAM, they are "tied"
for first place. One must remember that a NUC is not totally disabled, it
is only unable to fully comply with the rules. Further, a RAM may in fact
be completely unable to move. An example might be the a NUC with a faulty
transmission but able to steer should keep clear of a dredge that is
completely unable to move.

The other point is more subtle. In most of the relationships, such as
between sail and powerboats, there is a Give Way and a Stand On vessel,
where the Give Way must "keep out the the way" of the Stand On. But in
the case of a CBD (and in the related Narrow Channel rules) the burdened
vessel must only "not impede" the other. The distinction is often
explained as the Stand On vessel should not have to alter speed or course
(in fact, Rule 17 requires that she not alter speed or course), while a
vessel not impeding only means that you must give the CBD vessel a
reasonable path. The reason why this distinction is important is that
both relationships may be in force. That is, a Sailboat may be Stand On
to a CBD that it must not impede.

Of course, one shouldn't assume everyone fully appreciates these points!



You idiot! Overtaking is NOT a class of vessels. It can include vessels of
every type and every classification.

Why do you insist of perverting a perfectly good mnemonic device with a term
that does not belong there?

Look at it this way. There is a list of fruit.

1) apples
2) oranges
3) bananas
4) peach
5) pear
6) apricot

These six are all fruits but you want to add a 7th term "rotten"

Rotten is not a fruit. Rotten is a state of any of the above fruits. In like
manner overtaking is a STATE of any of the classes of vessels and, as such,
adding overtaking to the list makes no sense to anybody but an idiot.

Wilbur Hubbard




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