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Bob April 27th 08 03:05 AM

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BARGE HITS RAILWAY BRIDGE AS TUG
MANEUVERS TO AVOID SAILBOAT

Source: By David Taylor, Professional Mariner Magazine.
Emphasis is ours.

A barge struck a railroad bridge in Connecticut on Sept. 9
(2006) as the tug accompanying the barge took emergency
measures to avoid hitting a sailboat passing under the raised
drawbridge.

The accident occurred at about 1330 as the 1,950-hp
Moran tug TURECAMO GIRLS was heading south towing
the empty 310-foot barge CONNECTICUT. The barge hit the
bridge after the tugboat captain released it from its towline in
an attempt to avoid hitting a northbound sailboat under power
that was transiting the Old Lyme drawbridge. After the barge
was released by the tug, it dropped an anchor but still struck
wooden fenders protecting the bridge, which connects Old
Lyme and Old Saybrook.

The bridge’s northeast fender system was destroyed, but
there were no injuries, according to Karina Romero, a
spokeswoman for Amtrak. The bridge had to be inspected
and rail traffic was suspended for about two hours. The river
was closed to traffic until that evening so divers could clear
the channels.

The drawbridge is lowered and raised by an operator who
communicates with vessel crews via VHF channel 13. From
mid-May to mid-October, the bridge is generally in the open
position, unless an Amtrak train is approaching, according to
Scott F. Masse, president of Oak Leaf Marina of Old
Saybrook, located one-quarter mile upriver from the
drawbridge. Masse drove the Old Saybrook police boat to the
scene of the collision.

Masse heard radio calls from TURECAMO GIRLS pleading
with the sailboat to get out of its way as it approached the bridge.
"You could hear him saying, “You guys get out my way,” Masse
said. The tug asked the boat by name to move. In addition, the
tug gave five blasts on its horn, Masse said.
Masse said visibility was unlimited that day and that sight
lines were good. At the time, the tide was ebbing, Masse said,
creating a very strong downriver current under the bridge.
The drawbridge opening is about 100 feet wide.
"It was very much like a car trying to beat a red light; they
(the sailboat) decided they were going to go through the draw.
These guys just didn't yield to him," Masse said. By that point,
the tug was committed. "His choice was to run them over and
kill them or try to turn the tug around. They made the valiant
effort to give themselves up."

The barge was being towed quite close to the tug. To avoid
striking the sailboat, the tug released the tow, the barge dropped
an anchor off the bow, and the tug went to the rear of the barge.
"What they did, in my opinion, saved lives," said Masse.
The Connecticut River has a tremendous amount of
recreational traffic and not much commercial traffic, Masse said.
Common sense would dictate that the sailboat yield to the
tugboat and tow, he said. "If you're staring down a tug and a
barge, the smart guy is going to say, `I'm going to wait. until it
goes through; I’m not going to play chicken with a tug.”
Rule 9 of the COLREGS governing narrow channels would
apply in this situation, according to Capt. Ralph Pundt chair of
the Marine Transportation Department at Maine Maritime
Academy. While under power, a sailboat considered a power
vessel. He said the rule that applies is 9d: "A vessel shall not
cross a narrow passage or a fairway if such crossing impedes
the passage of a vessel which can safely navigate only within
such channel or fairway." In addition, Rule 9b also states that a
vessel less than 20 meters long or a sailing vessel, shall not
impede the passage of a vessel, which can only navigate in that
channel. "If he is less than 20 meters, he doesn’t, have the right
of way," Pundt said.

The barge was extricated from the fenders by the tug and
the bridge was determined to be safe by 20:10, according to
Romero. All of Amtrak’s moveable bridges between Boston
and Washington, D.C., have fender systems to protect them,
she said. In early October, workers were still replacing the
fender system. The double-hulled oil barge was not damaged,
according to Ted Tregurtha, president of Moran Towing Corp.
He praised the five crew and river pilot on the tugboat and
the two crew on the barge for their response." They took all the
appropriate action to a recreational boater who was not in right
place in the right time," Tregurtha, said. "It's unfortunate that
the bridge was struck, but more importantly, the recreational
boaters were not injured. They probably will never know how
lucky they were."

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Capt. JG April 27th 08 03:17 AM

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"Bob" wrote in message
...
BARGE HITS RAILWAY BRIDGE AS TUG
MANEUVERS TO AVOID SAILBOAT



The sailboat clearly was in the wrong. The only quibble is that perhaps the
tow/barge could have acted sooner.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




Jeff April 27th 08 02:21 PM

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Roger Long wrote:
"Capt. JG" wrote

....

Rule 9 (a) is surprisingly limited in regard to the common sense idea that
traffic moving with the current has right of way in a narrow channel. It's
always true on the Great Lake and Western Rivers but otherwise only on
waters specified by the Secretary. Whether that bit of water is "specified
by the secretary" I don't know. Why 9 (a) doesn't apply to all waters, and
what is different about Eastern Rivers is a mystery.


The "with the current" rules are not part of the International Rules
(COLREGS) and I don't think were part of the earlier versions. They
were only used in the special rules covering the Western Rivers, and
thus got merged into the Inland Rules. I don't believe the river rules
apply anywhere on the East Coast. It is a matter of courtesy to allow
the down-current boats to go first, but of course not all boaters
understand this concept.




Richard Casady April 27th 08 02:22 PM

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:17:18 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Bob" wrote in message
...
BARGE HITS RAILWAY BRIDGE AS TUG
MANEUVERS TO AVOID SAILBOAT


The sailboat clearly was in the wrong. The only quibble is that perhaps the
tow/barge could have acted sooner.


Maybe the sailboat had a 12 hp engine that just couldn't hack it. The
sailboat owner should have known what to expect and given way to the
tug, Its like jaywalking in front of a bus.

Casady

Thomas, Spring Point Light April 27th 08 04:31 PM

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Roger.. Wrong harbor ..


==
"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote

The sailboat clearly was in the wrong. The only quibble is that perhaps
the tow/barge could have acted sooner.


I am surprised that neither David Taylor, you, nor Bob spotted the
elephant in the room. The "sailboat" was proceeding against the tide.
The New London buoy was evidently out of commission at the time but the
mid sound buoy shows:

YYYY MM DD hh mm WD WSPD GST WVHT DPD APD MWD BAR ATMP WTMP
DEWP VIS TIDE

2007 09 09 13 15 280 4.1 5.7 0.40 4.00 99.00 999 1018.3 22.6 21.5
20.2 99.0 99.00

Possibly, a high performance boat could have made it through the bridge
against that current on a broad reach but winds were probably lighter down
in the wind shadow and he certainly would have had a problem when he hit
the wind shadow of the bridge just upstream. If this goes to court, I
think the operator will have to fight a strong presumption that he was
actually a powerboat at the time.

The article certainly should have clarified this out and done something to
help dispel the widely held misconception that guys who operate boats with
big sticks on them always have the right of way.

Rule 9 (a) is surprisingly limited in regard to the common sense idea that
traffic moving with the current has right of way in a narrow channel.
It's always true on the Great Lake and Western Rivers but otherwise only
on waters specified by the Secretary. Whether that bit of water is
"specified by the secretary" I don't know. Why 9 (a) doesn't apply to all
waters, and what is different about Eastern Rivers is a mystery.

--
Roger Long







cavelamb himself[_4_] April 27th 08 11:52 PM

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Roger Long wrote:


The article states that the sailboat was under power at the time, and the
wealthy, snobbish, asshole captain of the tug tried the radio repeatedly
and
blasted his horn, while waving his arms frantically.



Nowhere does the article report anything you state it does after the "under
power". In fact, the author seems to think that the tugboat captain acted
with great professionalism and even courage. I'm sure David Taylor would be
no more amused at your putting words into his mouth and attributing such
thoughts to him without basis than I was when you did it to me. I'll find
out the next time I see him.

--
Roger Long


Coastal Pilot says you use everything you have (including radio) to
avoid collision circumstances.

Ok, so you guys read charts.
Anybody EVER refer to the Coastal Pilot?

Just curious...


Richard

Ernest Scribbler April 28th 08 12:14 AM

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"Bob" wrote
I’m not going to play chicken with a tug.”


Words to live by.

Out of curiosity, does anybody know why a boat that tows barges behind it is
called a tugboat, while one that pushes them in front is called a towboat?



Richard Casady April 28th 08 01:11 AM

Sailboat-Tugboat Right of Way
 
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:14:49 -0400, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:

"Bob" wrote
I’m not going to play chicken with a tug.”


Words to live by.

Out of curiosity, does anybody know why a boat that tows barges behind it is
called a tugboat, while one that pushes them in front is called a towboat?


Actually ocean going tugs sometimes push. They have special barges
with a notch that matches the bow of the tug. If it gets too rough,
they then use the regular tugboat half mile long wire. Sometimes they
lash a barge to the side of the tug. The call that: on the hip.

I bought some books at New York Nautical, one of them on tugs.

Casady

Ernest Scribbler April 28th 08 02:56 AM

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"Richard Casady" wrote
Actually ocean going tugs sometimes push. They have special barges
with a notch that matches the bow of the tug.


Interesting. I've never seen that. I'm on an inland river, and all our
towboats look like this: http://blizzard.zmm.com/tug/capned3.jpg
And they always push, never pull.



Don White April 28th 08 05:15 AM

Sailboat-Tugboat Right of Way
 

"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
...
"Richard Casady" wrote
Actually ocean going tugs sometimes push. They have special barges
with a notch that matches the bow of the tug.


Interesting. I've never seen that. I'm on an inland river, and all our
towboats look like this: http://blizzard.zmm.com/tug/capned3.jpg
And they always push, never pull.



One of our little guys will push, pull ...whatever.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/16046216@N08/2089290925/



Richard Casady April 28th 08 05:17 AM

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:56:12 -0400, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:

"Richard Casady" wrote
Actually ocean going tugs sometimes push. They have special barges
with a notch that matches the bow of the tug.


Interesting. I've never seen that. I'm on an inland river, and all our
towboats look like this: http://blizzard.zmm.com/tug/capned3.jpg
And they always push, never pull.


I live in Iowa. The state is between two big rivers with barge
traffic. I call them pushboats.

Casady

Marty[_2_] April 28th 08 05:32 PM

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Richard Casady wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:14:49 -0400, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:

"Bob" wrote
I’m not going to play chicken with a tug.”

Words to live by.

Out of curiosity, does anybody know why a boat that tows barges behind it is
called a tugboat, while one that pushes them in front is called a towboat?


Actually ocean going tugs sometimes push. They have special barges
with a notch that matches the bow of the tug.


These are a regular sight on the Seaway, Seaway Control refers to them
as "tugboats" on the radio... This configuration is used for obvious
reasons, think "locks".

Cheers
Marty

cavelamb himself[_4_] April 28th 08 10:31 PM

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wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:52:34 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote:


Roger Long wrote:


The article states that the sailboat was under power at the time, and the
wealthy, snobbish, asshole captain of the tug tried the radio repeatedly
and
blasted his horn, while waving his arms frantically.


Nowhere does the article report anything you state it does after the "under
power". In fact, the author seems to think that the tugboat captain acted
with great professionalism and even courage. I'm sure David Taylor would be
no more amused at your putting words into his mouth and attributing such
thoughts to him without basis than I was when you did it to me. I'll find
out the next time I see him.

--
Roger Long


Coastal Pilot says you use everything you have (including radio) to
avoid collision circumstances.

Ok, so you guys read charts.
Anybody EVER refer to the Coastal Pilot?

Just curious...


Richard



If you mean the Coast Pilot, the answer is yes. I not only refer to it, I
occasionally read the general chapters, and chapters for my usual sailing areas
front to back like a book.



Yeah, thats the one.

back to the boats April 29th 08 12:27 PM

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On 27 Apr, 11:49, wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 05:54:22 -0400, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Capt. JG" wrote


The sailboat clearly was in the wrong. The only quibble is that perhaps
the tow/barge could have acted sooner.


I am surprised that neither David Taylor, you, nor Bob spotted the elephant
in the room. The "sailboat" was proceeding against the tide.
The New London buoy was evidently out of commission at the time but the mid
sound buoy shows:


YYYY MM DD hh mm WD WSPD GST WVHT DPD APD MWD BAR ATMP WTMP
DEWP VIS TIDE


2007 09 09 13 15 280 4.1 5.7 0.40 4.00 99.00 999 1018.3 22.6 21.5
20.2 99.0 99.00


Possibly, a high performance boat could have made it through the bridge
against that current on a broad reach but winds were probably lighter down
in the wind shadow and he certainly would have had a problem when he hit the
wind shadow of the bridge just upstream. If this goes to court, I think the
operator will have to fight a strong presumption that he was actually a
powerboat at the time.


The article certainly should have clarified this out and done something to
help dispel the widely held misconception that guys who operate boats with
big sticks on them always have the right of way.


The article states that the sailboat was under power at the time, and the
wealthy, snobbish, asshole captain of the tug tried the radio repeatedly and
blasted his horn, while waving his arms frantically. What a buffoon. He
apparently thought it was more important to avoid the collision than to insist
it was the other guys fault, and he shouldn't HAVE TO use his radio and other
signals to try and clarify the situation. :')

Rule 9 (a) is surprisingly limited in regard to the common sense idea that
traffic moving with the current has right of way in a narrow channel. It's
always true on the Great Lake and Western Rivers but otherwise only on
waters specified by the Secretary. Whether that bit of water is "specified
by the secretary" I don't know. Why 9 (a) doesn't apply to all waters, and
what is different about Eastern Rivers is a mystery.


where a vessel has reduced manoeuvrability i.e towing or trawling
they have right of way, other boats are duty bound to avoid them. The
primary duty of any skipper is to preserve the life of himself and his
crew If the other guy is a lot bigger and he hits you it is going to
hurt the barge tow was alert to the problem and took what steps he
could to avoid collision the sail boat was lucky that there was not a
"Bow Bell and Marchioness" incident.

Jeff April 29th 08 02:18 PM

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back to the boats wrote:
where a vessel has reduced manoeuvrability i.e towing or trawling
they have right of way, other boats are duty bound to avoid them.


While such common sense is useful, one should also be aware that there
are rules that cover most situations, and that under the International
Rules no one has Right of Way. For example, tows do not appear on the
"pecking order" unless they declare themselves as RAM. Of course, its
nice to give large tows a wide berth, but if you're involved in a tow,
especially involving recreational boats, remember that you have no extra
"rights" and many boaters might not even realize what's going on. I say
this as someone who has been involved in hundreds of such tows while
working in collegiate sailing programs.

Jere Lull April 30th 08 04:56 AM

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On 2008-04-27 05:54:22 -0400, "Roger Long" said:

Rule 9 (a) is surprisingly limited in regard to the common sense idea that
traffic moving with the current has right of way in a narrow channel. It's
always true on the Great Lake and Western Rivers but otherwise only on
waters specified by the Secretary. Whether that bit of water is "specified
by the secretary" I don't know. Why 9 (a) doesn't apply to all waters, and
what is different about Eastern Rivers is a mystery.


Around the Chesapeake, it's fairly usual for someone waiting to inquire
the state of the current and usually people are courteous about it.

....then there was the time I was station-keeping a few lengths away
from the bridge, right on the centerline, chatting with the tender....
Got a compliment on our boat-handling from my backing against the
couple-knot current. (no emergency as we were already in reverse and
only needed to slide sidewards a few feet.)

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/



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