I post this as there has been past interest in the Titanic.

http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/...ectid=10504501

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:26:07 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:

I post this as there has been past interest in the Titanic.

http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/...ectid=10504501

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:01:12 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote:

See Bruce's post "Ping Roger" and put up the "Shameless Self Promotion
Warning" flag.

Yes, I already apologised but wjhat is the :Shameless Self Promotion
Warning" flag pray tell?

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:19:58 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote:

"Herodotus" wrote

Yes, I already apologised but wjhat is the :Shameless Self Promotion
Warning" flag pray tell?

It will be self evident in the thread. Just me having fun with
Bob-who-isn't-Wilbur-much-to-my-surprise..


Ahhh!.....

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
"Herodotus" wrote

Yes, I already apologised but wjhat is the :Shameless Self Promotion
Warning" flag pray tell?

It will be self evident in the thread. Just me having fun with
Bob-who-isn't-Wilbur-much-to-my-surprise..


Just because two individuals seem to share the same realistic and
conservative thoughts on what's wrong with the world of cruising in
particular as well as the world in general, it does not indicate that they
are out of touch or one and the same. Because you concluded erroneously that
such was the case should it not require some self-examination on your behalf
about how your feelings have led you astray and why?

The cause usually involves setting more store by your feelings than by your
intelligence. Setting great store by feelings is what liberals do. It is the
main cause of liberals being wrong most of the time and why just about
everything they attempt ends in failure. Rather than valuing the mind
liberals value emotions. Things that make them feel good are paramount.
However, in their search for the feel good, they can't seem to help noticing
all the things that make them feel bad. They then become preoccupied trying
to control what they cannot control in an attempt to eliminate the sources
of stress and end up quite discontented as they dwell more and more on that
which makes them feel bad.

Examine also your comfort in your feeling that you and those like you who
feel rather than think are the norm and real thinkers such as Bob and myself
who give little credence to feelings, as far as you are concerned, are some
sort of anti-social fanatics. Simply not the case!

You are looking through a lens that does not focus properly. It is clouded,
smeared and shuttered by the various filters you have put in place to
shelter your world. Yet, there you are squinting through a faulty instrument
proclaiming that you are a good example of humanity and somebody else whose
eyes still see by virtue of the fact that they are wide open, healthy and
free of obstructions is some sort of pariah?

In other words your self-imposed sensory deprivation makes it easier for you
to come to conclusions but, due to your limited view, the conclusions you
come to are generally faulty. As a consequence of this you have become
completely out of touch. But, how can you ever know it since you shut out
any and all logical discourse that represents an accurate reality?

Can you say self-immolation?

Wilbur Hubbard

"Roger Long" wrote in message
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote

Can you say self-immolation?

Yes, and I highly recommend it in some circumstances.

Filters work both ways. This is primarily a group for sharing information
that might be useful to other cruisers. I am curious why, with all the
miles you have sailed, and the fine vessels you own, you rigerously filter
out any specific information that might provide you with the credibility
and approval you clearly seek by the volumn of your posts here. Clearly,
in all that experience you gained before settling permanently within WiFi
range, there is much knowledge and wisdom you could pass on that would
make you a valuable member of this group instead of a joke.

I post specific information both here and on my web site for two reasons.
First, some of it may help others. I have been professionally involved
with boats for 38 years. There are people retrofitting limit switches to
their Raymarine Tillerpilots right now as a result of the information on
the prototype that I posted here. Second, I learn things as someone has
not been very involved with yacht scale systems and doesn't know
everything anyway. I've posted proposed modifications to my vessel and
had people here point out problems with them and the eventual
installations are better as a result.

Surely, someone with the knowledge and experience you claim could do the
same. You clearly have the time judging by the volume of tiresome blather
that has you starring in so many kilfiles.

--
Roger Long


Your post demonstrates the basic difference between a liberal and a
conservative. With your liberal outlook that embraces censorship and
closed-mindedness you came to an erroneous conclusion concerning the
tillerpilot situation. You took a narrow view and an uneducated. You came up
with a modification that did not address the root problem but addressed a
symptom of the root problem.

Rather than addressing symptoms, we conservatives would rather address the
problem. The problem is that you need to learn how to trim your sails to
balance your boat. It's obvious to any real sailor that your boat is way
unbalanced. Because it is out of balance by virtue of the fact that
excessive rudder and tiller movement is required to keep it on course, I
would have addressed the problem - failure to properly trim the sails and/or
otherwise balance the vessel - so the tillerpilot did not have to go stop to
stop in a failed attempt to keep steering under control. A designer cannot
foresee the breadth and depth of human stupidity and thus cannot design a
piece of equipment to be foolproof. To do so would require a never-ending
testing period by a never ending queue of fools. I am sure that among the
basic assumptions the designer of that tillerpilot made was sailors at least
knew how to balance their vessel by proper sail trim.

But because of your narrow, liberal outlook, others like you are going
around modifying their tillerpilots instead of learning how to balance their
vessels by using proper sail trim. The result of this is slow, dangerous,
ill-handling boats. And you have the nerve to claim you are some sort of
authority when it comes to sailing? What you are engaged in is degradation
of sailing skills. Like I stated previously, liberals are generally failures
at what they attempt. But, you don't see it because you surround yourself
with similar failures who lack the means to do anything but go along with
folly. How can they when they take great pains to filter their world to make
it less than real? You just cannot deal with reality unrealistically and you
can't be realistic unless you have access to ALL the facts. You can't "feel"
your way through life.

You might fool the other ignorant, lubberly liberals but you don't fool
expert, experienced conservative sailors such as myself who have realistic
conservative outlooks. We look first at ourselves when something goes awry
instead of rushing to blame others or boat systems. Then we ask ourselves
what we can do to improve our sailing skills rather than blaming our
shortcomings on hardware that's having trouble coping with obvious adverse
symptoms caused by our lack of know-how while coming up with unnecessary
modifications that mask our stupidity all the while acting like we are a
credit to sailing.

Don't you see how ludicrous this all is to those of us who are knowledgeable
enough to see through your ill-informed ways and means?

Wilbur Hubbard

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote

Clearly, in all that experience you gained before settling permanently
within WiFi range, there is much knowledge and wisdom you could pass on
that would make you a valuable member of this group instead of a joke.



Should I waste my time on you and your ilk? You who view proud, self-reliant
success as a joke.

The way I look at it is this. You liberals refuse to listen to reason. You
filter and you censor. You close your minds to constructive advice or any
kind of criticism. You deny yourselves the most basic of logic and
intelligence. You go around with blinders and ear plugs you happily wear
because you don't want to be bothered with ideas other than your own? You
deny your mind but you worship your feelings.

Given that tossing pearls to swine is counterproductive why should I bother
with you liberals? Doing so is an exercise in futility. I would rather
attempt to point out to you liberals philosophically why you will NEVER be
able to improve your lot unless and until you first decide to live in the
real world and to use your mind and eschew your feelings and become
realistic and aware of the fact that YOU are solely responsible for your
actions or lack thereof. Nobody is your keeper. Nor are you your brother's
keeper.

When it comes to educating other open-minded conservative sailors that would
be a waste of my time because others such as myself are fully capable of
learning how to do things the right way of their own volition. Why should I
deny them the fulfillment of self-improvement via self-study; of success
achieved standing on their own two hind legs? I honestly believe they are
as fully capable of learning how to be expert sailors all on their own. I
don't believe they need my input. If they need it they will ask. Unless they
ASK for my input I won't insult their intelligence by offering it. The thing
about true conservatives is they don't often ask. They know their own mind,
know how to improve it, know how to think.

So, that is the reason you won't hear about my voyages. You wouldn't listen
anyway. You wouldn't learn a thing even if I did attempt to educate you. You
wouldn't even appreciate my trying to educate you. You would EXPECT it as
your post indicates. You liberals think you own my mind. You want ME to do
your work for you. You are a liberal. But I don't accept your bankrupt
morality. Do your own work. Take responsibility for your own failures.

On the other hand conservatives haven't asked for my input and they likely
will not.

So, given these circumstances tell me please why should I waste my time with
specifics that will benefit nobody?

Wilbur Hubbard

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Uhg. This really isn't any fun. I'm sorry I ever responded.

Now I feel like I'd just laughed at someone trying to get their wheelchair
up the curb.

I'm going to shut up now and follow the advice I was giving others here.


Yes, make sure those blinders fit tightly. Maybe double earplugs are in
order?

It's obvious you are unable to compete in the arena of ideas so just run
away and hide. That's how you liberals are.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:42:04 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote:

Uhg. This really isn't any fun. I'm sorry I ever responded.

Now I feel like I'd just laughed at someone trying to get their wheelchair
up the curb.

I'm going to shut up now and follow the advice I was giving others here.

Not at all Roger,

I couldn't read your friend Wilbur's post but from his many spurious
previous posts I judged your response to be very apt and to the point,
especially as you, being an American, do not have the Queen's English
as a first language.

regards
Peter

"Herodotus" wrote in message
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I couldn't read your friend Wilbur's post but from his many spurious
previous posts I judged your response to be very apt and to the point,

In other words you would rather not be challenged to think either? So you
use filters or killfiles? Is it because you know you can't handle thinking
and debating? Too difficult for you with your head stuck in the sand? I
guess it works for you as your hemorrhoids undoubtedly are an exact match
for your face.

Wilbur Hubbard