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Seems to me that some cruisers posting here are really no longer cruising.
Take Bruce in Bangkok, for example. He admits he's thrown in the towel and has been living aboard tied to a dock in Bangkok for several years. Prior to that, he engaged in some limited attempts at cruising which resulted in his being stuck where he is now in a backwater, third-world country a few thousand miles downwind from his departure point. Why, any old Rube on a balsa raft could have accomplished that kind of thing! One must wonder if his failing to succeed at cruising causes any advice he has to offer the group to be suspect? After all, would you listen to advice from a lawyer who lost every case or was disbarred? Or a doctor who had lost a number of malpractice suits? Or a professional sports figure who failed to make the cut? Yet you seem to listen to failed cruisers and take seriously what they have to say? Is it because you are so undiscriminating that you identify with failures? Or is it that you seek out persons who are likely to be on par with your own low expectations and abilities and their failures help comfort you and assuage your own repeated failures and thus make your own lack of success seem normal. Perhaps this is why Skip Gundlach seems to have little or no motivation when it comes to doing things right??? How can one expect professionalism from those who seek out and identify with mediocrity? Shouldn't you folks more readily identify with successful cruisers and seek out advice from them? Why identify with failures when many good role models are available? Why support those who don't see failure as anything to be ashamed of or avoided? Simply by associating with failures you tend to become one yourself. Success breed success! Try not to forget it. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Roger Long wrote:
I would certainly seek advice and expect some good information from someone who had, say, sailed halfway around the world, made a comfortable home in a foreign land, and become semi active due to age and developing a rich and full life on shore. OTOH, someone who had just pittered around in Florida on a 26 foot boat (the same size Donna Lange sailed around the world), not made any voyages of note, and then given it up in favor of newsgroup posting under assumed names I wouldn't find particularly interesting at all. -- Roger Long Not to be picky, but, a 28' Southern Cross, far cry from a 26' banana boat. G |
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On Apr 16, 5:35*am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: Success breed success! Try not to forget it. Wilbur Hubbard My distinguished colleague: I have two thoughts. First, once I too become so infirm, incontinent, and incapacitated with age I will prefer to die in a boat rather than a planed retirement community with 9 holes and a bingo game down the side walk. So tied to the dock is preferred to the former. Second, in many families, organizations, and cultures mediocrity is rewarded and performance is punished. So we must take into consideration the realm in which many consider truth and normal. To ask them to perform is the same as asking them to believe the moon is made of cheese. They just cannot wrap their minds around certain abstract concepts. So they will castigate or attempt to castrate those who challenge their safe world of hair dryers, refrigeration, and wives who run their life as well as their boats. Bob |
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On Apr 16, 12:23*pm, Bob wrote:
On Apr 16, 5:35*am, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Success breed success! Try not to forget it. Wilbur Hubbard My distinguished colleague: I have two thoughts. First, once I too become so infirm, incontinent, and incapacitated with age I will prefer to die in a boat rather than a planed retirement community with 9 holes and a bingo game down the side walk. So tied to the dock is preferred to the former. Second, in many families, organizations, and cultures mediocrity is rewarded and performance is punished. So we must take into consideration the realm in which many consider truth and normal. To ask them to perform is the same as asking them to believe the moon is made of cheese. They just cannot wrap their minds around certain abstract concepts. So they will castigate or attempt to castrate those who challenge their safe world of hair dryers, refrigeration, and wives who run their life as well as their boats. Bob Hey, Bob, I'm just an old ex-Okie farm boy but is the "Reader's Digest" version of what you just wrote is that Wilbur is basically full of ****? LOL BTW, everytime I think of the name Wilbur, I think of Mr. Ed the horse and how he would call his owner Wwwwwwwwillllllbbbbuuurrrrrrrrrrrr. Gawd I'm old. -J |
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On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:48:44 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote: I would certainly seek advice and expect some good information from someone who had, say, sailed halfway around the world, made a comfortable home in a foreign land, and become semi active due to age and developing a rich and full life on shore. OTOH, someone who had just pittered around in Florida on a 26 foot boat (the same size Donna Lange sailed around the world), not made any voyages of note, and then given it up in favor of newsgroup posting under assumed names I wouldn't find particularly interesting at all. The fault for the rather sad and rabid bitter existence of the person alluded to who has no other life but that of heckling those he lives in envy of lies largely with those who voted in the current and previous governments. As you do not have a decent public funded national health scheme, bureaucracy had the bright idea that in order to save money they would release the mentally ill and infirm back into the community. These sort of people remain securely locked up and medicated in the Antipodes - well, once were. Just a thought |
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"Bob" wrote in message ... My distinguished colleague: I have two thoughts. First, once I too become so infirm, incontinent, and incapacitated with age I will prefer to die in a boat rather than a planed retirement community with 9 holes and a bingo game down the side walk. So tied to the dock is preferred to the former. Yes, you are quite correct. Perhaps I've been too hard on Bruce in Bangkok. After all his situation could be far worse. But, I wonder if he wasn't stuck with any realistic choices if he would still be stuck tied to a backwater dock? A thing might be considered noble if it is engaged in by choice but if one puts himself into a postition whereby he has no choices left to him should he not be held liable for his backing himself into a corner? Second, in many families, organizations, and cultures mediocrity is rewarded and performance is punished. So we must take into consideration the realm in which many consider truth and normal. To ask them to perform is the same as asking them to believe the moon is made of cheese. They just cannot wrap their minds around certain abstract concepts. I agree with you on this second point as well but with an addendum. Bruce is a proud killfile and filter enthusiast. Therefore, his reality is warped by his own self-imposed limits. He freely chooses to blindfold himself respecting things as they really are. He chooses willingly to live in a fantasy land and his conclusions are faulty by virtue of the fact that reality is put on the back burner. So, how can such as Bruce in Bangkik be expected to perform when the parameters they perform by are not representative of reality? Sure, they can give a performance by it is a parody of reality to those of us who choose to live in the real world because we are not afraid to see. This is the root cause of the innate failure of liberalism. So they will castigate or attempt to castrate those who challenge their safe world of hair dryers, refrigeration, and wives who run their life as well as their boats. Yes, that is what they attempt and it makes complete sense to others like them. They find solace in numbers. They demonstrate, however, that they fear the truth or anything else that does not buttress their limited perception of reality. The very act of censorship is an act of cowardice and fear. I feel sorry for such faulty minds. Their chance of success at any endeavor is low due to their self-imposed skewing of reality. Is it any wonder why rescue services and towing services grow exponentially? Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote:
.... He chooses willingly to live in a fantasy land and his conclusions are faulty by virtue of the fact that reality is put on the back burner. I usually don't read "Wilbur"s posts but I found this rather amusing. He's definitely the expert at living in a fantasy land. DSK |
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"Bob" wrote in message ... Wilbur Hubbard My distinguished colleague: Oh that's rich. Either a sock-puppet account or yet another lunatic. First, once I too become so infirm, incontinent, and incapacitated with age I will prefer to die in a boat Good, hurry up with that plan. |
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"Bill Kearney" wrote in message
t... "Bob" wrote in message ... Wilbur Hubbard My distinguished colleague: Oh that's rich. Either a sock-puppet account or yet another lunatic. First, once I too become so infirm, incontinent, and incapacitated with age I will prefer to die in a boat Good, hurry up with that plan. Gee... ya think? LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On 2008-04-17 11:15:00 -0400, "Bill Kearney" said:
First, once I too become so infirm, incontinent, and incapacitated with age I will prefer to die in a boat Good, hurry up with that plan. Though I don't necessarily agree with the rest of Bob's post, I too would want to die on the boat rather than some dumpy old-folks' warehouse. As I recall, a couple of the "cruising gods" (well known authors) cut the lines because they were told they only had months to live. They were still going strong 20+ years later. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On Apr 17, 7:15*am, "Bill Kearney" wrote:
Oh that's rich. *Either a sock-puppet account or yet another lunatic. Good, hurry up with that plan. To Bill Kearney: So Im having a conversation with another poster here, you bust in and call me a "...sock-puppet... lunatic..." and tell me that I should die as soon as possible. So why do yo feel so compelled to butt into someone else's conversation and make thoes comments? I suppose I should get all ****y and start a name calling thread but I think not. But darn, your comments certainly reflect loudly your personality. BTW what is a sock puppet? About the only place Ive ever heard that expression is here. Bob |
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:43:14 -0700, Bob wrote:
BTW what is a sock puppet? sigh.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_%28Internet%29 |
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:43:14 -0700, Bob wrote:
BTW what is a sock puppet? About the only place Ive ever heard that expression is here. Bob http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_sock_puppet |
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On Apr 18, 10:48*am, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:43:14 -0700, Bob wrote: BTW what is a sock puppet? About the only place Ive ever heard that expression is here. Bob http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_sock_puppet Thanks guys.. I wondered about that since I started reading here. I figured it was one of thoese cutie names like everybody used in the 70s when CB radios were all the rage. Hey, mabe we could all meet at Denny's or IHOP sit for hours and talk CB/ internet talk to each other like a bunch of old hens. Now that really sounds like yachting! Personally Ill stick with words that more common people use: pseudonym alias nom de plume AKA Besides whats wrong with using another name to post? Or does it offend the etiquette police? ie, Roger and his followers. Bob |
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:51:41 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote: On Apr 18, 10:48*am, wrote: On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:43:14 -0700, Bob wrote: BTW what is a sock puppet? About the only place Ive ever heard that expression is here. Bob http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_sock_puppet Thanks guys.. I wondered about that since I started reading here. I figured it was one of thoese cutie names like everybody used in the 70s when CB radios were all the rage. Hey, mabe we could all meet at Denny's or IHOP sit for hours and talk CB/ internet talk to each other like a bunch of old hens. Now that really sounds like yachting! Personally Ill stick with words that more common people use: pseudonym alias nom de plume AKA Besides whats wrong with using another name to post? Or does it offend the etiquette police? ie, Roger and his followers. Bob I think that you've missed the point. A sock puppet is a false identity, to be true, but a false identity which supports the assertions of the original, or "master" identity. For example, lets say that "Bob" makes the assertion that the world is flat. Immediately Joe, Gus and Willey jump in and tell Bob he is full of it and doesn't have a clue. But Bob, not wanting to be seen as an idiot, and wanting to win the "argument" then creates a number of other Internet Identities, lets call them, Sally, Joan and Judy who suddenly appear in support of Bob and argue fiercely that Bob IS a Handsome Stud who knows what he is Doing and if he says the world is a flat place then it must be. After all, he didn't fall off the dance floor last night when he was doing the tango, "and the earth moved!". Sally, Joan and Judy are sock puppets. Of course it gets even more complicated when the original poster is a Sock Puppet and after being totally discredited creates a clone puppet who both carries on the disjointed arguments but also defends the original Sock Puppet. And of course both the original and secondary sock puppets may well have created supplemental puppets who supported themselves. There was a poster on another group who, with a multitude of sock puppets, became almost the only poster on the group. Using a pseudonym is a somewhat different proposition and I think that most people accept this if it is a "real" identity and if that identity doesn't change because the writer takes a little flack for being a total idiot. for example, my own identity "Bruce in Bangkok" is my own name, I do live in Bangkok and my email address is correct. If you send an email to that address I will answer. But if you use a alias like Willard J. Wonderful and your email address is shown as ere you probably will be thought of as some sort of idiot. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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On Apr 18, 5:15*pm, Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply)- Hide quoted text - Oh, I ahd no idea it was that complicated. thanks Bob |
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:15:39 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: But if you use a alias like Willard J. Wonderful and your email address is shown as ere you probably will be thought of as some sort of idiot. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) Hi Bruce, Do you get much mail at this address? I wonder if an email handle like that would work for me. cheers Peter |
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So Im having a conversation with another poster here, you bust in and
call me a "...sock-puppet... lunatic..." and tell me that I should die as soon as possible. Well, at least your reading comprehension skills seem adequate. So why do yo feel so compelled to butt into someone else's conversation and make thoes comments? Gee, someone chiming in, repeated, in support of a known troll, imagine how that's not viewed with any respect... I suppose I should get all ****y and start a name calling thread You could try, but who'd give a ****? Certainly not me. |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 01:29:27 +1000, Herodotus
wrote: On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:15:39 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: But if you use a alias like Willard J. Wonderful and your email address is shown as ere you probably will be thought of as some sort of idiot. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) Hi Bruce, Do you get much mail at this address? I wonder if an email handle like that would work for me. cheers Peter If you mean the Pimpworld address I don't think it will work for you - first you have to be young and handsome. Secondly you have to have a name like Willard J. Wonderful and lastly you have to have a 68 ft. boat with a hot tub. Where are you? Hanging out in some marina or anchored close in where you can hijack somebody's unguarded WiFi net? Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:07:33 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: Hi Bruce, Do you get much mail at this address? I wonder if an email handle like that would work for me. cheers Peter If you mean the Pimpworld address I don't think it will work for you - first you have to be young and handsome. Secondly you have to have a name like Willard J. Wonderful and lastly you have to have a 68 ft. boat with a hot tub. Where are you? Hanging out in some marina or anchored close in where you can hijack somebody's unguarded WiFi net? Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) Hi Bruce, I'm going to change my name and have a face lift. Thank's for the advice. I'm still at Seru Boca marina in Curacao as a paying customer this time, as I left Herodotus here when I went back home - the main use for me of marinas http://www.santabarbararesort.com/09.html If you click on the photos you should be able to see me waving at 1200 zulu tomorrow. It's part of a huge development that will eventually include high value estate housing, a golf course and a Hyatt Regency hotel - hopefully by that time I shall be long gone. Price is reasonable compared with Trinidad - $US252 per month plus power and water - all water here is produced by desalination of sea water. Since emailing you I was about to leave but since there is at least a 4 week wait for the Panama canal, decided that I would have to go like the proverbial clappers (archaic English term still in useage in the antipodean ex-colonies) to reach home before the cyclone season. Thus decided to leave Herodotus here and return to Malaysia and Sydney until about September. flight is booked out - Curacao, Miami, Dallas, Honolulu and thence Sydney and a couple of weeks later, KL. As well as allowing me time to get into the Pacific early and be able to see the sights, I shall be also able to make a side journey to Cartagena, Colombia to be mugged, drugged, raped and murdered. I'm looking forward to it. If the bloody Americans didn't provide such a huge ready market for cocaine, the country might be safer to visit - still that's the new global economy in action. who am I to question it? I only learned Keynsian economics at university - long discredited. How's the boat project coming along? cheers, and regards to your wife. Asalaam, Peter |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:22:19 +1000, Herodotus
wrote: On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:07:33 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: Hi Bruce, Do you get much mail at this address? I wonder if an email handle like that would work for me. cheers Peter If you mean the Pimpworld address I don't think it will work for you - first you have to be young and handsome. Secondly you have to have a name like Willard J. Wonderful and lastly you have to have a 68 ft. boat with a hot tub. Where are you? Hanging out in some marina or anchored close in where you can hijack somebody's unguarded WiFi net? Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) Hi Bruce, I'm going to change my name and have a face lift. Thank's for the advice. I'm still at Seru Boca marina in Curacao as a paying customer this time, as I left Herodotus here when I went back home - the main use for me of marinas http://www.santabarbararesort.com/09.html If you click on the photos you should be able to see me waving at 1200 zulu tomorrow. It's part of a huge development that will eventually include high value estate housing, a golf course and a Hyatt Regency hotel - hopefully by that time I shall be long gone. Price is reasonable compared with Trinidad - $US252 per month plus power and water - all water here is produced by desalination of sea water. Since emailing you I was about to leave but since there is at least a 4 week wait for the Panama canal, decided that I would have to go like the proverbial clappers (archaic English term still in useage in the antipodean ex-colonies) to reach home before the cyclone season. Thus decided to leave Herodotus here and return to Malaysia and Sydney until about September. flight is booked out - Curacao, Miami, Dallas, Honolulu and thence Sydney and a couple of weeks later, KL. As well as allowing me time to get into the Pacific early and be able to see the sights, I shall be also able to make a side journey to Cartagena, Colombia to be mugged, drugged, raped and murdered. I'm looking forward to it. If the bloody Americans didn't provide such a huge ready market for cocaine, the country might be safer to visit - still that's the new global economy in action. who am I to question it? I only learned Keynsian economics at university - long discredited. How's the boat project coming along? cheers, and regards to your wife. Asalaam, Peter Naw, I don't believe you. I googled that address you posted and the first line in the blurb says "Seru Boca Marina offers floating slips for 128 vessels up to 150 feet" Don't say nothing about no grottie old cruising boat, sounds like if you're not at least 100 ft. they probably don't want you. How did you get in? Sneak in and tie up at the dinghy dock? Regarding your colonial English I'll have you know that I received an initial supplemental education in Proper English by a British educated Singapore Lady Office Manager who used to correct my Americanisms by telegram, and later by a former Officer of the Gurkas, graduate of Sandhurst, graduate of the School of Asian and African Studies, London University, where he majored in Malay/Indonesian - have you ever heard anyone speak absolutely impeccable Indonesian with a fully blown Sandhurst accent? And most recently by a hereditary Lord of the Realm who corrects my pronunciation at every opportunity. I also have a mate raised on a sheep station in Western Australia just so I don't get too toffey nosed. By the way, what is this Sidney business. I thought you were a Kiwi. Cartagena de Indias? I thought you British chappies were persona non grata since Sir Francis Drake burned the place? But I suppose with the new economy that can't afford to overlook any market. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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Naw, I don't believe you. I googled that address you posted and the first line in the blurb says "Seru Boca Marina offers floating slips for 128 vessels up to 150 feet" Don't say nothing about no grottie old cruising boat, sounds like if you're not at least 100 ft. they probably don't want you. How did you get in? Sneak in and tie up at the dinghy dock? Regarding your colonial English I'll have you know that I received an initial supplemental education in Proper English by a British educated Singapore Lady Office Manager who used to correct my Americanisms by telegram, and later by a former Officer of the Gurkas, graduate of Sandhurst, graduate of the School of Asian and African Studies, London University, where he majored in Malay/Indonesian - have you ever heard anyone speak absolutely impeccable Indonesian with a fully blown Sandhurst accent? And most recently by a hereditary Lord of the Realm who corrects my pronunciation at every opportunity. I also have a mate raised on a sheep station in Western Australia just so I don't get too toffey nosed. By the way, what is this Sidney business. I thought you were a Kiwi. Cartagena de Indias? I thought you British chappies were persona non grata since Sir Francis Drake burned the place? But I suppose with the new economy that can't afford to overlook any market. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) Hi Bruce, I see that in mixing with colonials and other civilised peoples you have definitely developed a non American sense of humour and recognise that what may appear as offensive to others is actually a mark of friendliness (don't understand it quite myself). I am so pleased that so many people took the trouble to correct your "Americanisms" and taught you to speak in a civilised manner. There is an excellent new DVD and book called "The Adventure of English" which describes the history and spread of the English language and its variations. When I get back I shall make you a copy and snailmail it to you if you send me your postal address by email. Actually, I love the Americanisms such as "I'll fix dinner" - what's wrong with it? and the various references to the latrine - Little girl's room", "powder my nose" and so on. Nothing as basic as our "Where are the toilets?" or "I have to go". Actually in this marina there is only one large motor boat. The rest of us are the standard 40 odd feet sailboats from all over. Many people leave their boats here in complete security and fly back home for a while such as I am doing. Whereas in the more windward islands from Trinidad up to the Virgins (where you send your wife for recycling), US registered sailboats make up for at least 80 to 90%. Here which is a little harder to get back from, we are a mixed bunch; predominantly Dutch, but also French, American, English, German and Australian. They are generally cruising types and consequently the behaviour is different to the ones you seem to find further east on the "water winnebagos". An example is that nobody asks in initial conversation what you do or did for a living, whether you have children, or any other of the personal fact finding questions that are usually asked in an attempt to put a status ranking upon you. Last night at the bar for example where I took my dinner (no, I drank only orange juice), conversation was about cheese eating etiquette whereby one shows that one is a barbarian or not by the way one cuts the cheese and which varies according to its shape and type. I had never heard of this and had that moment of truth whereby I realised my barbarian status til now. Other topics were bits of history such as that Germans still pay a 7% tax to the church if they are Christian, which tax is collected by the government on the churches' behalf - law was put in place byHitler in 1935 as part of the pacxt with the Vatican. There was not a single word about crass things such as assets, investments, "when I was General Manager", how much people spent on new gear and so on. Europeans seem to be so much more mature in that way. There is an interesting lady here, Patricia, who grew up on a farm in Texas and spent most of her life as an academic at Washington State, A widow, she has only recently bought a sailboat and sailed it down from San Diego to here with crew. As she was a professor of behavourial science with an emphasis on business she can answer my questions as to why Americans do this or that. Great lady, strong personality. Sorry, I got carried away. Being of Greek origin we tend to be verbose. Yes I am a Kiwi, but I also have Australian and Malaysian citizenship. Sydney is where the "owner" and son reside whilst he is at highschool. Asalaam, Peter |
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Actually, I love the Americanisms such as "I'll fix dinner" - what's wrong with it? and the various references to the latrine - Little girl's room", "powder my nose" and so on. Nothing as basic as our "Where are the toilets?" or "I have to go". LOL...if you find *those* amusing, you really must get out (in the US) more. There are more gems than you could imagine. My favorite came from a 'gent' I was forced to work with who, when asked about the status of a task he had already completed, replied with "I done did that there bud, it's done done". With a straight face... Keith Hughes |
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... snip Actually, I love the Americanisms such as "I'll fix dinner" - what's wrong with it? and the various references to the latrine - Little girl's room", "powder my nose" and so on. Nothing as basic as our "Where are the toilets?" or "I have to go". LOL...if you find *those* amusing, you really must get out (in the US) more. There are more gems than you could imagine. My favorite came from a 'gent' I was forced to work with who, when asked about the status of a task he had already completed, replied with "I done did that there bud, it's done done". With a straight face... Keith Hughes We regularly use "get 'er done" when in asking employees to do something. (We don't have to tell them what exactly, because it's obvious. If it isn't obvious, they they can expect to be fired.) When they're finished, they report back with "done did it... goodly too." Bud is a bit too familiar for an employee to use with a boss. "Sir" is acceptable. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:51:41 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote: Besides whats wrong with using another name to post? Maybe not so much. What is objectionablel is posting under several names at the same time. Confusing the readers is rude and obnoxious. Many post under their real names. The does not seem to be any good reason not to, and I have observed, over a ten year period, that such posters are on the average, more credible than those who use a phony name. Casady |
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Herodotus wrote: On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:22:14 -0700, wrote: snip Actually, I love the Americanisms such as "I'll fix dinner" - what's wrong with it? and the various references to the latrine - Little girl's room", "powder my nose" and so on. Nothing as basic as our "Where are the toilets?" or "I have to go". LOL...if you find *those* amusing, you really must get out (in the US) more. There are more gems than you could imagine. My favorite came from a 'gent' I was forced to work with who, when asked about the status of a task he had already completed, replied with "I done did that there bud, it's done done". With a straight face... Keith Hughes All jokes aside, that's the wonderful thing about the English language. It is so varied and the different useages of words and terms are so interesting. I often wonder if there is any "correct English" so long as the meaning is not ambiguous and misleading. I would agree that there is a great deal of stylistic leeway in "correct English" construction. However, I review many thousands of pages of, shall we say, "text" each year, written by college graduates, and ambiguity and lack of concision seem to be fairly rampant these days. The rapid rise of text messaging, with the concomitant mangling of spelling, grammar, and syntax is also quite clearly not going to help matters. Even the Americanism "fix" also means to prepare or make something in the Oxford dictionary as well as the only useage we put on it which is to repair. Well, one can hardly fault the use of such an easily conjugated verb: "I's a fixin to..." "He's a fixin to..." "They's a fixin to..." And the ever popular; "We's a fixing to too..." :-) But, do you not also use it relative to Nitrogen fixation? I had assumed that was a universal (for English speakers) usage. The only word I object to is the Americanism "dude" which is creeping into Antipodean language and used by those who wish to be seen as hip. I cannot but object verbally or walk out of a shop when I am addressed as such. I understand your aversion, and in deference to the desire for cordial antipodean relations, I shall refrain from the rejoinder "Yo, chill dude". Cheers, Keith Hughes |
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"Herodotus" wrote in message ... Actually, I love the Americanisms such as "I'll fix dinner" - what's wrong with it? and the various references to the latrine - Little girl's room", "powder my nose" and so on. Nothing as basic as our "Where are the toilets?" or "I have to go". That is reasonably polite, not basic. Basic is 'Where's the bog' |
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"Edgar" wrote: "Herodotus" wrote in message ... Actually, I love the Americanisms such as "I'll fix dinner" - what's wrong with it? and the various references to the latrine - Little girl's room", "powder my nose" and so on. Nothing as basic as our "Where are the toilets?" or "I have to go". That is reasonably polite, not basic. Basic is 'Where's the bog' 'I'm dying for a slash' LOL -- Molesworth |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:36:00 +0200, "Edgar"
wrote: "Herodotus" wrote in message .. . Actually, I love the Americanisms such as "I'll fix dinner" - what's wrong with it? and the various references to the latrine - Little girl's room", "powder my nose" and so on. Nothing as basic as our "Where are the toilets?" or "I have to go". That is reasonably polite, not basic. Basic is 'Where's the bog' Here that may be "Where's the crapper?" Don't know, but the original premise about toilet vs washroom could well be wrong. Colloquialisms are tricky unless one is very well-traveled and then paying attention to different groups within the local population. There was that "furor" about Jack Paar's WC joke back in the '60's, and it's possible that many American viewers assumed from it that Brits might commonly ask "Where's the water closet?" That they did was probably never true, but I won't say so as I don't know. If I were air dropped into England I'd probably start with "Where's the loo?" and work things out from there. Again, my perception from reading only - I am prone to doing as the Romans do, so rapidly adjust. Here in the Chicago area, bathroom is more common than washroom, but that may just be my perception, and is also influenced by family. I certainly haven't studied it closely. I still often call a refrigerator an icebox. Oddly enough, my meaning is never lost. Likewise with communicating with anybody from anywhere about the need of a bathroom. A quick squat or clutching of one's crotch will always work if language fails, paying attention to gender of course. There was a quiz I took when I was about 12 that asked what word you used for certain devices/appliances. Its purpose was to estimate your age. The results indicated I was about 50 years old. I spent many of my formative years with my grandparents, which quickly explained that discrepancy. Toilet is obviously French, but always works well anyplace I've been. Crapper or can usually suffice in comfortable American company, and porcelain throne also has its use. If I'm being positively polite and "thoughtful,", I would however pose the question as "Where is the washroom?" So back to square one, Peter probably had that right. He also has cogent views on coffee. Orwell wrote some interesting essays on language, and I generally agree with him, unless something works better for me, and this sentence certainly proves I don't go far out of my way to eliminate the latinate. Just too much damn work. Had a lit prof early on who thought "lift" was so much more elegant than "elevator." Well.........maybe, if you intend to use either word in verse aimed at Anglo Saxon followers of Orwell. Anyway, I remember his comment, which is just as important as its gist. --Vic |
Do old, retired cruisers have any valid input???
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:13:41 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: Orwell wrote some interesting essays on language, and I generally agree with him, unless something works better for me, and this sentence certainly proves I don't go far out of my way to eliminate the latinate. Just too much damn work. Had a lit prof early on who thought "lift" was so much more elegant than "elevator." Well.........maybe, if you intend to use either word in verse aimed at Anglo Saxon followers of Orwell. Anyway, I remember his comment, which is just as important as its gist. --Vic Hi Vic, Very thoughtful and interesting reply. Now about those "lifts" or "elevators". As a five year old learning English at school for the first time (My grandparents spoke Greek at home), we were forced to look at the meanings of words and terms - such as the commonly used "Would you like to come to our place for dinner" which our teacher said meant that we were to be the dinner - should be "to dinner". Ridiculous and pendatic in reality but I often ask people when working in highrises if "lift" and elevate (or) mean to raise up, does this mean that we should take the stairs when descending? Some ponder it for days and as yet nobody has come up for a single word for the Otis thing apart from short descriptive phrases - same as escalator. Funny language English. Hope all is well with thee and thine, cheers Peter |
Do old, retired cruisers have any valid input???
On 21 Apr 2008 11:49:01 -0500, Dave wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:58:52 +1000, Herodotus said: The only word I object to is the Americanism "dude" which is creeping into Antipodean language and used by those who wish to be seen as hip. I cannot but object verbally or walk out of a shop when I am addressed as such. Have you so far avoided the "like" epidemic-- "I'm like ..... and she's like.... I'm like...."" I'm often tempted to ask one of those under 30's whether she can complete a single sentence without using the word "like." Yes!!!! the bloody term is widespread in Australia these days. It can be used many times within the same sentence and is often preceded with "you know" and used as a sentence ending as well. "You know, like...." Hate it. It grates. shows mu age and growing intolerance cheers Peter |
Do old, retired cruisers have any valid input???
"Herodotus" wrote in message
... On 21 Apr 2008 11:49:01 -0500, Dave wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:58:52 +1000, Herodotus said: The only word I object to is the Americanism "dude" which is creeping into Antipodean language and used by those who wish to be seen as hip. I cannot but object verbally or walk out of a shop when I am addressed as such. Have you so far avoided the "like" epidemic-- "I'm like ..... and she's like.... I'm like...."" I'm often tempted to ask one of those under 30's whether she can complete a single sentence without using the word "like." Yes!!!! the bloody term is widespread in Australia these days. It can be used many times within the same sentence and is often preceded with "you know" and used as a sentence ending as well. "You know, like...." Hate it. It grates. shows mu age and growing intolerance cheers Peter "You know, like ... you know." I heard that once... very short sentence, so I said, "No, I don't know. Like what?" And, he couldn't explain. So, I said, "then don't say 'you know' unless I do know." -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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