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Manual windlass
I used to see manual windlasses but not anymore. Can you still get
one of the type with a lever you push back and forth or where you use a winch handle? |
Manual windlass
On Apr 13, 8:23 pm, wrote:
I used to see manual windlasses but not anymore. Can you still get one of the type with a lever you push back and forth or where you use a winch handle? I just looked and they are still around. So, here is my question. IS a windlass more for just breaking the anchor free or for actually hauling it up? If breaking it free is a problem, why not just lead the rode around a winch? One could also tie a prusik loop to your rode and then lead that to your winch to break it free. Another possibility is a homemade device based on a Gibbs Ascender like Cavers and climbers use. It slides easily one way on a rope but grabs when pulled the other way. Lead your rode through an anchor roller pulley and then to your cockpit where it will be piled when it comes out of the water. You have a line (Line A) attached to a Gibbs body but the Gibbs is put on the anchor rode so that when you pull Line A it pulls up the rode. Line A goes around the winch. The Gibbs also has a length of shock cord attached between it and the bow. When you pull Line A, it pulls up the rode by way of the Gibbs and you pile the rode in the cockpit. When you slack Line A, the shockcord pulls the Gibbs back toward along the bow and along the taut rode. Repeat over and over just as if hauling up a sail by way of a winch. |
Manual windlass
wrote in message ... I used to see manual windlasses but not anymore. Can you still get one of the type with a lever you push back and forth or where you use a winch handle? Something like this....... http://ca.binnacle.com/product_info....oducts_id=3235 |
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... On Apr 13, 8:23 pm, wrote: I used to see manual windlasses but not anymore. Can you still get one of the type with a lever you push back and forth or where you use a winch handle? I just looked and they are still around. So, here is my question. IS a windlass more for just breaking the anchor free or for actually hauling it up? If breaking it free is a problem, why not just lead the rode around a winch? One could also tie a prusik loop to your rode and then lead that to your winch to break it free. Another possibility is a homemade device based on a Gibbs Ascender like Cavers and climbers use. It slides easily one way on a rope but grabs when pulled the other way. Lead your rode through an anchor roller pulley and then to your cockpit where it will be piled when it comes out of the water. You have a line (Line A) attached to a Gibbs body but the Gibbs is put on the anchor rode so that when you pull Line A it pulls up the rode. Line A goes around the winch. The Gibbs also has a length of shock cord attached between it and the bow. When you pull Line A, it pulls up the rode by way of the Gibbs and you pile the rode in the cockpit. When you slack Line A, the shockcord pulls the Gibbs back toward along the bow and along the taut rode. Repeat over and over just as if hauling up a sail by way of a winch. You don't need a winch to break an anchor free, and I wouldn't suggest using one. You could damage a winch or even a windlass. All you need to do is head toward where the anchor is sitting, hauling in the rode as you go. When you get directly overhead, cleat off the rode onto a strong, backed cleat, and keep going slowly. The anchor will come free, assuming it's not snagged on something of course. Then, reapply the hauling. You're done. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Manual windlass
"Alan Gomes" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 13, 8:23 pm, wrote: I used to see manual windlasses but not anymore. Can you still get one of the type with a lever you push back and forth or where you use a winch handle? I just looked and they are still around. So, here is my question. IS a windlass more for just breaking the anchor free or for actually hauling it up? If breaking it free is a problem, why not just lead the rode around a winch? One could also tie a prusik loop to your rode and then lead that to your winch to break it free. Another possibility is a homemade device based on a Gibbs Ascender like Cavers and climbers use. It slides easily one way on a rope but grabs when pulled the other way. Lead your rode through an anchor roller pulley and then to your cockpit where it will be piled when it comes out of the water. You have a line (Line A) attached to a Gibbs body but the Gibbs is put on the anchor rode so that when you pull Line A it pulls up the rode. Line A goes around the winch. The Gibbs also has a length of shock cord attached between it and the bow. When you pull Line A, it pulls up the rode by way of the Gibbs and you pile the rode in the cockpit. When you slack Line A, the shockcord pulls the Gibbs back toward along the bow and along the taut rode. Repeat over and over just as if hauling up a sail by way of a winch. You don't need a winch to break an anchor free, and I wouldn't suggest using one. You could damage a winch or even a windlass. All you need to do is head toward where the anchor is sitting, hauling in the rode as you go. When you get directly overhead, cleat off the rode onto a strong, backed cleat, and keep going slowly. The anchor will come free, assuming it's not snagged on something of course. Then, reapply the hauling. You're done. As a similar variant to this: Pull all the slack out of the rode so that it is as taught as it can be, hanging straight down, and cleat it off. Then sit back and have something to drink while you let the rocking motion of the boat do the work of breaking it free. If you have several people on board you can have them move to the bow while you tighten the line as much as possible, cleat it, and then have everyone move aft to the cockpit. This could help some. As to the general question, I think the purpose of the windlass is to aid in retrieving the weight of a heavy anchor and chain rode but not for breaking the anchor loose--though I'm sure many people use them for the latter. --Alan G. Alan, I like the sitting around part even better! LOL My only concern would be if there are other boats around, you and crew have too much to drink, and fall asleep rocking back and forth. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Manual windlass
"Capt. JG" wrote:
"Alan Gomes" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 13, 8:23 pm, wrote: I used to see manual windlasses but not anymore. Can you still get one of the type with a lever you push back and forth or where you use a winch handle? I just looked and they are still around. So, here is my question. IS a windlass more for just breaking the anchor free or for actually hauling it up? If breaking it free is a problem, why not just lead the rode around a winch? One could also tie a prusik loop to your rode and then lead that to your winch to break it free. We have an all chain rode, and I was taught not to use the windlass for anything other than to pick up the anchor and rode. Another possibility is a homemade device based on a Gibbs Ascender like Cavers and climbers use. It slides easily one way on a rope but grabs when pulled the other way. Lead your rode through an anchor roller pulley and then to your cockpit where it will be piled when it comes out of the water. You have a line (Line A) attached to a Gibbs body but the Gibbs is put on the anchor rode so that when you pull Line A it pulls up the rode. Line A goes around the winch. The Gibbs also has a length of shock cord attached between it and the bow. When you pull Line A, it pulls up the rode by way of the Gibbs and you pile the rode in the cockpit. When you slack Line A, the shockcord pulls the Gibbs back toward along the bow and along the taut rode. Repeat over and over just as if hauling up a sail by way of a winch. You don't need a winch to break an anchor free, and I wouldn't suggest using one. You could damage a winch or even a windlass. All you need to do is head toward where the anchor is sitting, hauling in the rode as you go. When you get directly overhead, cleat off the rode onto a strong, backed cleat, and keep going slowly. The anchor will come free, assuming it's not snagged on something of course. Then, reapply the hauling. You're done. As a similar variant to this: Pull all the slack out of the rode so that it is as taught as it can be, hanging straight down, and cleat it off. That's more or less what Bob does. On a day we want to move, he gets up and goes and takes the catenary out of the rode. Then he comes back and shaves and dresses. Goes forward and repeats taking out the slack. Then goes and has breakfast. By that time (unless there is a lot of wind), the boat is sitting more or less right over the anchor and all he has to do is wind up the chain. Then sit back and have something to drink while you let the rocking motion of the boat do the work of breaking it free. If you have several people on board you can have them move to the bow while you tighten the line as much as possible, cleat it, and then have everyone move aft to the cockpit. This could help some. As to the general question, I think the purpose of the windlass is to aid in retrieving the weight of a heavy anchor and chain rode but not for breaking the anchor loose--though I'm sure many people use them for the latter. --Alan G. Alan, I like the sitting around part even better! LOL My only concern would be if there are other boats around, you and crew have too much to drink, and fall asleep rocking back and forth. |
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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
... On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:39:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Another point, nearly all windlass makers do not recommend using the windlass as a strong point to cleat the anchor line to. A good point worth remembering if you don't want to buy a replacement windlass.. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:31:46 -0400, Rosalie B. wrote: wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:23:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I used to see manual windlasses but not anymore. Can you still get one of the type with a lever you push back and forth or where you use a winch handle? You can get a manual windlass, but the cost is pretty close to an electric that has a manual override. We got ours second hand from Bacons. IIRC it was about $80.00. It was missing the handle, but Bob was able to make one pretty easily - that also meant that he could make it the right length to be comfortable for him. That is an incredible bargain. I looked at a Lofrans manual and it was about $750 new. If I could find a used manual windlass for $100, I'd snap it up. Well I'm really BAD with numbers, and it WAS 10 years ago. It was a bargain though. It was second hand after all. I think we have a second one for parts that he got somewhere. |
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