On Sun, 18 May 08, Jay wrote:
4--Jay is not taking the new Suzuki out on the lake until
clarification is ascertained on all of items 1-2-3.

Wait a sec. Let's not over react here. Nobody is saying the pushing
ability of your motor is broken or even defective. And even if it were
to crap out, you're no worse off than when you had no motor at all as
long as you have your trusty oars along. Right now the motor is fine.
It's only the monitoring system thats appears a little odd.

Research in
solving the apparent contradictions is ongoing, pervasive, focused and
laced with a dose of chagrin.

Glad to hear you're looking for an explanation but it's way to early
for chagrin. Even a small dose.

Rick

On May 19, 8:35*am, wrote:

On Sun, 18 May 08, Jay *wrote: 4--Jay is not taking the new Suzuki out on the lake until clarification is ascertained on all of items 1-2-3.

Wait a sec. *Let's not over react here. Nobody is saying the pushing ability of your motor is broken or even defective. And even if it were to crap out, you're no worse off than when you had no motor at all as long as you have your trusty oars along. Right now the motor is fine. It's only the monitoring system thats appears a little odd.

Actually, Rick, I'm not really over-reacting; I'm just realizing
that in the entire chain of events here something is amiss and I'm the
type of person who likes ALL the ducks in a row before moving on.
It's not an emotional state, it's a lifestyle. I fully realize that
all is well with the motor in general and the only items left to sift
out in this mystery are the veracity of the owner's manual vs. the
design of the motor and/or both.

Research in solving the apparent contradictions is ongoing, pervasive, focused and laced with a dose of chagrin.

Glad to hear you're looking for an explanation but it's way to early for chagrin. Even a small dose.
Rick

Actually I've chatted with two Suzuki mechanics and both have
scratched their heads regarding the manual and one is going to reach
out to the major shop wizards in the Suzuki USA conglomerate. (And
being unable to figure it out at the local level caused him a bit of
chagrin...I could sense it through ther telephone wires). However,
I'm leaning toward the bogus manual solution but we'll see. I'll let
you know as soon as the word trickles down from the mountain.
-Jay

Jay wrote:

On May 19, 8:35 am, wrote:


On Sun, 18 May 08, Jay wrote: 4--Jay is not taking the new Suzuki out on the lake until clarification is ascertained on all of items 1-2-3.


Wait a sec. Let's not over react here. Nobody is saying the pushing ability of your motor is broken or even defective. And even if it were to crap out, you're no worse off than when you had no motor at all as long as you have your trusty oars along. Right now the motor is fine. It's only the monitoring system thats appears a little odd.


Actually, Rick, I'm not really over-reacting; I'm just realizing
that in the entire chain of events here something is amiss and I'm the
type of person who likes ALL the ducks in a row before moving on.
It's not an emotional state, it's a lifestyle. I fully realize that
all is well with the motor in general and the only items left to sift
out in this mystery are the veracity of the owner's manual vs. the
design of the motor and/or both.


Research in solving the apparent contradictions is ongoing, pervasive, focused and laced with a dose of chagrin.


Glad to hear you're looking for an explanation but it's way to early for chagrin. Even a small dose.
Rick


Actually I've chatted with two Suzuki mechanics and both have
scratched their heads regarding the manual and one is going to reach
out to the major shop wizards in the Suzuki USA conglomerate. (And
being unable to figure it out at the local level caused him a bit of
chagrin...I could sense it through ther telephone wires). However,
I'm leaning toward the bogus manual solution but we'll see. I'll let
you know as soon as the word trickles down from the mountain.
-Jay

Personally I'd go for running it at the dock with an electronic
thermometer monitoring the power head (hollow out a little block of
polystyrene so the probe is insulated from the air and tape or wedge the
probe against the cylinder head, with a little dab of thermal transfer
grease (as used for PC CPUs etc.) for good heat conduction, with the
polystyrene over it. Some time spent at varying revs and in and out of
gear and you'll soon know which part of the manual to belive.

Your own observations are likely to be more accurate than a manual that
has suffered in translation . . .

I must note however that unless the cooling water telltale or 'pee hole'
squirts up into the air jetski style, you are very unlikely to notice
a blockage in time. They seem to be more to let you check the impeller
isn't b*****ed beginining of each trip.

There is no simple way of adding an alarm to an engine without an
electrical system at the design stage, One could only design in a
thermal trip that operated the kill switch. Probably there would be
enough false trips to make it a manufacturer's nightmare and a laywers
dream :-(

Perhaps there's a market for a minature watch battery powered alarm
beeper that sticks inside the cowling with a probe that tapes to the
cylinder head.

I've talked to several Suzuki mechanics and to Customer Service at
USA
Suzuki Marine and here are "answers" (i.e. "information") I received.

1--The amount of water squirting out of the pilot (pee) hole is
determined by the rpms of the motor; the faster the motor revs, the
bigger the stream.

2--The idle setting on the motor is 1800 rpm (which seemed quite
peppy
to me) but is needed to be that fast to keep the impeller pumping
water at idle/low speed.


3--At some speeds, there will not be a "stream" of water but only a
"mist" that one can feel by putting one's hand in front of the pilot
"pee" hole.


4--The manual still sucks.


5--There was a recall issued by Suzuki for certain motors within a
serial number range for a defective cooling system. My motor was not
in that group.


And now for what REALLY ****ED ME OFF! I've owned Suzuki motorcycles
and ATVs and have always liked the quality and style of products made
in Japan; however, in looking at the motor plate today I saw the words
MADE IN THAILAND stamped therein. GRRRRRRRRR...even our outsourcees
are now outsourcing. Where will it all end?

-Jay
(Who may be reliving dreams about that 5HP air-cooled Briggs &
Stratton outboard he passed up for $699 although it was probably made
in Bangladesh, Nigeria or high in the mountains of Nepal..lol)

Well... my original question is addressed in #3, At least we know
there IS and indicator at all times of impeller operation. That's
good.
But now I have a new question brought on by #2. I don't think I've
ever tried to put any motor in gear at 1800 rpm. Are the backs of
your boat seats equipped with head rests? Seems like whiplash may be a
problem ;-)
Seriously though, stay in touch. I'm interested to know how it all
works out over time.

Rick ---- still think you did better than the Briggs & Stratton

On Fri, 23 May 08, Jay wrote:
I've talked to several Suzuki mechanics and to Customer Service at
USA
Suzuki Marine and here are "answers" (i.e. "information") I received.

1--The amount of water squirting out of the pilot (pee) hole is
determined by the rpms of the motor; the faster the motor revs, the
bigger the stream.

2--The idle setting on the motor is 1800 rpm (which seemed quite
peppy
to me) but is needed to be that fast to keep the impeller pumping
water at idle/low speed.


3--At some speeds, there will not be a "stream" of water but only a
"mist" that one can feel by putting one's hand in front of the pilot
"pee" hole.


4--The manual still sucks.


5--There was a recall issued by Suzuki for certain motors within a
serial number range for a defective cooling system. My motor was not
in that group.


And now for what REALLY ****ED ME OFF! I've owned Suzuki motorcycles
and ATVs and have always liked the quality and style of products made
in Japan; however, in looking at the motor plate today I saw the words
MADE IN THAILAND stamped therein. GRRRRRRRRR...even our outsourcees
are now outsourcing. Where will it all end?

-Jay
(Who may be reliving dreams about that 5HP air-cooled Briggs &
Stratton outboard he passed up for $699 although it was probably made
in Bangladesh, Nigeria or high in the mountains of Nepal..lol)