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Question for Skip on SV Flying Pig
Skip, I have followed your posts for some time as do many people who
have not had the opportunity for this extended cruising lifestyle. You may remember we communicated several times when you were selecting a refrigeration system. As I recall you rebuilt the original Morgan 46 box and installed a new combination refrigerator freezer. You also went with two Frigoboat BD50 compressors and their keel coolers. Before the mishap in the Gulf the boat was equipped with both solar panels and a wind generator. Because I work with several boaters all over the world each week I like to see how their planed power management and refrigeration selection is working in actual service. I remember at one point when you were heading north you planed on doing an actual onboard power grid analyses, if you did I missed that posting. If you have time I would appreciate information on the following: What type wind generator do you have and is its performance as good as advertised? What is the total advertised wattage of your combined solar panels? What do you estimate the boats daily 12 volt power consumption at? Did you do a daily power analysis by component as you planed to do? What about daily amp-hrs to operate each refrigerated box when seawater temperature was between 60 and 75 degrees F.? What are the approximate sizes in cu. ft. of each box? What temperatures are maintained in each box? What kind of service life are you getting from the zincs on your keel coolers? Did you ground the keel coolers if so where was ground wire connected? Have you been able to solve the alternator belt problems? RL Kollmann |
Question for Skip on SV Flying Pig
"Richard Kollmann" wrote in message ... Skip, I have followed your posts for some time as do many people who have not had the opportunity for this extended cruising lifestyle. You may remember we communicated several times when you were selecting a refrigeration system. As I recall you rebuilt the original Morgan 46 box and installed a new combination refrigerator freezer. You also went with two Frigoboat BD50 compressors and their keel coolers. Before the mishap in the Gulf the boat was equipped with both solar panels and a wind generator. Because I work with several boaters all over the world each week I like to see how their planed power management and refrigeration selection is working in actual service. I remember at one point when you were heading north you planed on doing an actual onboard power grid analyses, if you did I missed that posting. If you have time I would appreciate information on the following: What type wind generator do you have and is its performance as good as advertised? What is the total advertised wattage of your combined solar panels? What do you estimate the boats daily 12 volt power consumption at? Did you do a daily power analysis by component as you planed to do? What about daily amp-hrs to operate each refrigerated box when seawater temperature was between 60 and 75 degrees F.? What are the approximate sizes in cu. ft. of each box? What temperatures are maintained in each box? What kind of service life are you getting from the zincs on your keel coolers? Did you ground the keel coolers if so where was ground wire connected? Have you been able to solve the alternator belt problems? RL Kollmann Old Wilbur will be getting the keyboard ready for this one.. Should be fun... Come on Wilbur,, get this newsgroup humming.. tell Skip how bad he is, and then Skip can call you trailer trash .. It makes the hours of living in an igloo much more enjoyable ... |
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On Feb 26, 11:23 am, Richard Kollmann
wrote: Skip, I have followed your posts for some time as do many people who have not had the opportunity for this extended cruising lifestyle. You may remember we communicated several times when you were selecting a refrigeration system. As I recall you rebuilt the original Morgan 46 box and installed a new combination refrigerator freezer. You also went with two Frigoboat BD50 compressors and their keel coolers. Before the mishap in the Gulf the boat was equipped with both solar panels and a wind generator. Because I work with several boaters all over the world each week I like to see how their planed power management and refrigeration selection is working in actual service. I remember at one point when you were heading north you planed on doing an actual onboard power grid analyses, if you did I missed that posting. If you have time I would appreciate information on the following: What type wind generator do you have and is its performance as good as advertised? What is the total advertised wattage of your combined solar panels? What do you estimate the boats daily 12 volt power consumption at? Did you do a daily power analysis by component as you planed to do? What about daily amp-hrs to operate each refrigerated box when seawater temperature was between 60 and 75 degrees F.? What are the approximate sizes in cu. ft. of each box? What temperatures are maintained in each box? What kind of service life are you getting from the zincs on your keel coolers? Did you ground the keel coolers if so where was ground wire connected? Have you been able to solve the alternator belt problems? RL Kollmann Hi, Richard, A quickie summary to your letter follows, but... I do, indeed have such a list, and have been sitting on it for a while to develop more real-world experience. It's very extensive, and analyzes my expected usage and load both at anchor and under way, with engine or sail, in day and night. Like most things about cruisers, doing it for a while has exposed different usage patterns, somewhat, than originally expected, so my list, developed while I was flailing away at alternator problems in Charleston, needs a bit of revision. However... We have only one BD50 and zinc-less keel cooler, which is grounded using their lug provided. The keel cooler got a bit of bashing during the wreck, but was inspected by SALT, the vendor, and pronounced sound. I injected 5200 into the gaps under it where there had been flexing, and have had no complaints about it since. We have about 3.5 and 7.5 that we keep at 8 and 34 degrees, each, fed by the largest stainless clad evaporator they make and a spillover fan. Both boxes have no/nc magnetic switches which turn off the circulating fans and on the LED lights when opened. Because I don't have an ammeter devoted exclusively to that unit, the best I can do is guess, but based on the smart speed control, it appears to use ~1.5A at most- times running speeds, only going to full blast when we put lots of stuff in, or there's been a lot of door openings. We have a KISS and if there's wind, it's marvelous. It's designed for the Caribbean, so we don't get full use out of it most of the time on the East Coast. However, in 20 knots of wind, it makes more than 20A, and quickly ramps up from about 10 knots, to 30A at about 25knots. We have 370W of solar and through the MPPT as I type at noon in Miami in the winter, it's making 20. Our portable generator is a Honda EU2000i which despite its name isn't a 2kw for more than about 10 seconds. It's about 1600 or as needed by speed. Because we've been using both computers lately, the laptop I have about to get the axe due to its ravenous appetite, we run it fairly frequently, as well as to make hot water. About 15 minutes makes a tank of hot water. Highly recommended. The alternator problems seem to have been entirely a pulley issue. Going down to a 10mm has resulted in my not having to replace another belt since. The alternator sold me by the joint in Charleston fried itself; when I took it back they said it wasn't intended for continuous duty - despite my having told them when I bought it how it would be used. My original 3 alternators aboard are working very well, albeit only 70A, after refitting them with 10mm pulleys and replacing the controllers on two of them; I've not had either of the backup out of stores since I put the other on... Thanks for your interest. I'll post my entire list of stuff sometime soon. Would you like a copy direct to you? Meanwhile, it's Bruce who calls Wilbur trailer trash :{)) I rarely bother to even acknowledge his posts... L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah) |
Question for Skip on SV Flying Pig
Skip,
I am very much interested in how boaters manage their on board electrical power grid and if you prefer to send information by email please send it that way. I am attempting to build a large library of onboard power grid management and boat refrigeration problems, so any information you can provide on this subject would be helpful. I am curious of how many hours per day your engine alternator or Honda generator needs to be run. It is possible today for a few cruisers under the right conditions to sustain basic electrical onboard power including refrigeration without the need of an internal combustion engine. I know of only a half dozen boats that get by without running an engine at least two or three times a week. Typical non live aboard boaters seem to have no problem running an engine an hour every day. One of the best equipped boats was a 39 ft world cruiser with three separate battery banks connected by voltage sensitive combiners, all batteries are charged by alternative energy. Charging current on this boat was available to all batteries from a wind generator, solar panels and a pull behind the boat water generator. Electrical drawing of this boat is in my 12/24 volt refrigeration book or it can be viewed at the end of my web site slide show "What Works And What Does Not". |
Question for Skip on SV Flying Pig
You're always subject to compromises. Extra batteries are HEAVY. Weight
slows the boat. To say nothing of added expense. Same deal with the drag caused by the water generator. It'd be interesting to know if anyone's rigged up a sterling or other type of engine as part of a charging setup. |
Question for Skip on SV Flying Pig
Skip, I too have followed your adventures - and have always wondered -
Did nobody warn you, of the bad luck that comes with saying "Pig" while on a boat? The name of your boat is, well, asking for it. Sal's Dad |
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On Feb 29, 5:26 pm, "Sal's Dad" Sals...@nospam--betts-hyphen-
orourke.net wrote: Skip, I too have followed your adventures - and have always wondered - Did nobody warn you, of the bad luck that comes with saying "Pig" while on a boat? The name of your boat is, well, asking for it. Sal's Dad Hi, Sal's Dad, Nope - nobody warned us - but several observed how pigs are seen as good luck in some European countries. The pig continues to fly, in the face of all logic and expectation, though. Stunt training may be next! My standard (for the last while) sig line pretty well sums it up... As to the original content, I'm rounding third on my revisions of my original audit, done in September, and will have my usually very long post on it in a separate topic, as well as responded here, as the separate topic will likely generate the usual torrent of - shall we say - commentary :{)) L8R love from Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah) |
Question for Skip on SV Flying Pig
On Feb 29, 2:26*pm, "Sal's Dad" Sals...@nospam--betts-hyphen-
orourke.net wrote: Skip, I too have followed your adventures - and have always wondered - Did nobody warn you, of the bad luck that comes with saying "Pig" while on a boat? The name of your boat is, well, asking for it. Sal's Dad Hey there, I would also like to add having any animal icon on board is terible luck. For example, I was working on a ~300' F/T. We were still at the dock and the cook was brining on supplies. For breakfast the cook set out the new honey containers................. they were plastic bears ! ! ! Yup, honey bears ! OMG the mate saw that and reported immediatly to the captain who was in the galley in a second demanding every honey bear First have its head cut off and second the honey discarded and finially all thrown over board! SKIP: How many real boats do you know that are named after land animals??? I know of vessels named Petral Jeager Halibut Puffin Sea Lion But I dont know of any sea boats with a land animal name. At least one that is still floating ;) Bob |
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I would also like to add having any animal icon on board is terible luck. For example, I was working on a ~300' F/T. We were still at the dock and the cook was brining on supplies. For breakfast the cook set out the new honey containers................. they were plastic bears ! ! ! Yup, honey bears ! OMG the mate saw that and reported immediatly to the captain who was in the galley in a second demanding every honey bear First have its head cut off and second the honey discarded and finially all thrown over board! BUT, there is an old sailors yarn that says, if you have two normally not swimming animals tattooed on you feet, you will never drown. Now, I happen to know this is true cuz I'm still here! I also know it's true cuz I've never seen a drowner with tattoos on his feet! What you're saying is I have to cut off my feet before going cruising? Gordon |
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On Feb 29, 2:26*pm, "Sal's Dad" Sals...@nospam--betts-hyphen- orourke.net wrote: Skip, I too have followed your adventures - and have always wondered - Did nobody warn you, of the bad luck that comes with saying "Pig" while on a boat? The name of your boat is, well, asking for it. Sal's Dad I never heard of this. There are 35 documented boats names with PIG - does include three Pigeons and a TroPiGal Vessel Name Built Service Home Port Length Doc. No. 1. BIG PIG 1979 Passenger (Uninspected) Carolina Beach 28.8 615366 2. BLUE PIGEON 1974 Recreational Marion 38 573477 3. BLUE PIGEON 1961 Recreational Newport Ri 39.7 1097157 4. BLUE PIGEON TOO 1989 Recreational Jamestown 52.7 1133574 5. C PIG Recreational Topsail Beach 35.8 1164623 6. FLYIN' PIGS Recreational San Diego 36 1053402 7. FLYING PIG 1978 Recreational St Thomas 45 992056 8. FLYING PIG Recreational San Rafael 29.9 1130605 9. FOUR LITTLE PIGS 1994 Recreational Ft Worth Tx 34 1031664 10. MADAME PIG 1984 Recreational Libertyville, Il 34 675865 11. MISS PIGGY 1982 Unclassified Burlington, Vt 40 648280 12. MISS PIGGY Recreational Freemont 31 667367 13. MISS PIGGY Recreational Verplanck 62 914896 14. MISS PIGGY 1996 Recreational Seaford 40 1097289 15. MISS PIGGY 2002 Recreational Chester 23.8 1138660 16. MISS PIGGY 2 Recreational Inver Grove Heights 33 1159782 17. MISS PIGGYS PLAY PEN VII 2004 Recreational Atlantis 47.7 1161211 18. PIG PEN 1990 Recreational Annapolis Md 34.4 976201 19. PIG PEN 2000 Recreational Punta Gorda Fl 35 1101865 20. PIG RIG 2004 Recreational Topsail Beach 60.4 1158099 21. PIG STY 1999 Recreational Royal Ar 78 1080947 22. PIG TALES 1990 Recreational Ventura 34.4 967006 23. PIGEON TOES IV 1989 Recreational Solomons 44.2 954521 24. PIGGY BANK 1994 Recreational Smithfield 54 1024312 25. PIGGY BANK Recreational St Louis 33 1122899 26. PIGGY BANK III 2000 Recreational Dana Point 33.8 1105975 27. PIGGYBACK 2000 Recreational Carson City 78.2 1101803 28. PIGLET 1988 Recreational Boxboro 35 928634 29. PIGLET Recreational St Louis 33.7 971000 30. PIGS FLY 1983 Recreational Marion 32.8 670949 31. PIGS IN SPACE 1985 Recreational Duluth, Mn 33 695126 32. PIGSNOOT IV 1970 Recreational Jackson Nj 36.1 573240 33. PIGTALES 1995 Recreational Louisiana 39.2 1043394 34. PIGTRACKS 1988 Recreational New York Ny 30 929389 35. POOH PIGLET 1991 Recreational Tuckerton 39.4 988126 36. SEA PIG II 1985 Recreational New Smyrna 32.8 973839 37. TROPIGAL 1978 Recreational Key West 35 616597 38. WHEN PIGS FLY 1976 Recreational Boston 31.6 585623 39. WHEN PIGS FLY 1986 Recreational Lee'S Summit 42.1 919877 Also I've seen or found the Happy Heifer, Heifers, Heifer Dust, The Brown Cow, Pied Cow, two Cowardly Lions, twenty boats with some variation of Black Sheep, a Sheep Dog, and a Wild Sheep Aqua Hog (2), Bay Hog (3), Blind Hog, Elegant Hog, Fish Hog (4) Hedge Hog (2), Ground Hog, Hog Dogs, The Slippery Hog, Wart Hog (2). Plus over 300 boats that had some version of BEAR in their names. |
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On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:23:00 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote: SKIP: How many real boats do you know that are named after land animals??? I know of vessels named Petral Jeager Halibut Puffin Sea Lion But I dont know of any sea boats with a land animal name. At least one that is still floating ;) SS Badger on Lake Michigan. A ferry, it burns coal and it has piston engines. Casady |
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On Mar 1, 6:01*pm, Rosalie B. wrote:
Hi: And do you notice that all have a Recreational documentation...... NONE are Coast Wise.... But I suppose you could also find a few pig boats that were documented Coast Wise too. So it looks to be a bunch of luberly lake people name their boats all sort of discusting things... Hell, why not Blow Job or maybe Wet Spot...... as well. Bagger.......... like I said, no worthy Sea Boat has a terestial animal name bob |
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Bob wrote:
On Mar 1, 6:01*pm, Rosalie B. wrote: Hi: And do you notice that all have a Recreational documentation...... No they weren't. One was Passenger (Uninspected) and one was Unclassified. NONE are Coast Wise.... But I suppose you could also find a few pig boats that were documented Coast Wise too. I've been following the CG documentation site for some time (8 or 10 years). Those designations are not consistent at all, and have nothing to do with how the boat is used and/or what the boat is capable of. I have a list of 378 CSYs most of the documented and there is only one of them that has a Coastwise designation without Recreational or Fishing added. Some are Passenger, and some are Unclassified. But the majority are Recreational. Names of the boats on the list include Emerald Dragon (has been to South America), El Unicorn (SSCA Commodores), one formerly named Hungry Heifer (was in charter in the Chesapeake and now in St. Thomas), one that was Sailin' Bear, one that was Floating Bear, Ol' Dog 2 (also SSCA), several named Pegasus, and Peter Rabbit. All documented Recreational. The documentation has nothing to do with reality. In case you are not familiar with SSCA Membership requirements: * *The applicant(s) must have been an Associate member of the SSCA and lived aboard his or her own sailboat for at least 12 consecutive months prior to making this application. The boat must have been the principal residence of the Applicant (s) at the time of application. *# Distance *One of the following cruising distance requirements must be met: * * 1. 1,000 mile ocean passage nonstop, or * 2. 1,500 mile offshore passage with not more than one stop, or * 3. 2,000 mile coastal passage with unlimited stops (one stop must be at least 1,000 miles from the starting point, excluding waterways, lakes, rivers and canals). So it looks to be a bunch of luberly lake people name their boats all sort of discusting things... Hell, why not Blow Job or maybe Wet Spot...... as well. Yes people display a shocking lack of taste when naming boats. There's only one documented Blow Job, but there are 30 boats named Wet Spot. Bagger.......... like I said, no worthy Sea Boat has a terestial animal name Our boat is listed as Recreational and so is a 33 foot boat that I'm quite familiar with - they've been offshore to Halifax, and also over to the Canaries, and presently are in the Med. Also friends of ours who started out in the Virgin Islands, went through the Panama Canal, spent two years in the Baja, and are now in Fiji. On a boat classified as Recreational. grandma Rosalie S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD CSY 44 WO #156 http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html |
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On Mar 2, 7:13*am, Rosalie B. wrote:
NONE are Coast Wise.... But I suppose you could also find a few pig boats that were documented Coast Wise too. *Those designations are not consistent at all, and have nothing to do with how the boat is used and/or what the boat is capable of. S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD CSY 44 WO #156http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html Hey there granny, maybe I should re phrase my word choice, Few if any WORKING boats on salt water have land animal names. just because a sailboat.trawler bumbles around the ocean does not make it a working boat. Take Joe and Skip. They both claim to be experienced sailors yet each's record is an example of their skill level. Yes, the working fleets, once operated by those who had knowledge and a respect for maritime history and tradition, are few now days. I supoose next Skip will self certify his 360 days on the Pig, take a test, and get his 50 grt master license and claim he is a seasoned Captain.............. with years of experience. But a few of us out there will mourn the fact that any nuckle head can get a captains license and name their boat Heffer or Rodent or Cow Patty or other such lubberly dribble........ Bob Sorry I took your husbands name. no insult intended..... |
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"Rosalie B." wrote in message
... Bob wrote: On Mar 1, 6:01 pm, Rosalie B. wrote: Hi: And do you notice that all have a Recreational documentation...... No they weren't. One was Passenger (Uninspected) and one was Unclassified. NONE are Coast Wise.... But I suppose you could also find a few pig boats that were documented Coast Wise too. I've been following the CG documentation site for some time (8 or 10 years). Those designations are not consistent at all, and have nothing to do with how the boat is used and/or what the boat is capable of. I have a list of 378 CSYs most of the documented and there is only one of them that has a Coastwise designation without Recreational or Fishing added. Some are Passenger, and some are Unclassified. But the majority are Recreational. Names of the boats on the list include Emerald Dragon (has been to South America), El Unicorn (SSCA Commodores), one formerly named Hungry Heifer (was in charter in the Chesapeake and now in St. Thomas), one that was Sailin' Bear, one that was Floating Bear, Ol' Dog 2 (also SSCA), several named Pegasus, and Peter Rabbit. All documented Recreational. The documentation has nothing to do with reality. In case you are not familiar with SSCA Membership requirements: * *The applicant(s) must have been an Associate member of the SSCA and lived aboard his or her own sailboat for at least 12 consecutive months prior to making this application. The boat must have been the principal residence of the Applicant (s) at the time of application. *# Distance *One of the following cruising distance requirements must be met: * * 1. 1,000 mile ocean passage nonstop, or * 2. 1,500 mile offshore passage with not more than one stop, or * 3. 2,000 mile coastal passage with unlimited stops (one stop must be at least 1,000 miles from the starting point, excluding waterways, lakes, rivers and canals). So it looks to be a bunch of luberly lake people name their boats all sort of discusting things... Hell, why not Blow Job or maybe Wet Spot...... as well. Yes people display a shocking lack of taste when naming boats. There's only one documented Blow Job, but there are 30 boats named Wet Spot. I saw one called Blood Vessel and another called Windward Sausage. Not sure about their documentation status. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:41:16 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote: maybe I should re phrase my word choice, Few if any WORKING boats on salt water have land animal names. A Lake Michigan car ferry is admittedly not a boat, or on salt water. SS Badger has piston engines and burns coal. Casady |
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On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:41:16 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote: On Mar 2, 7:13*am, Rosalie B. wrote: NONE are Coast Wise.... But I suppose you could also find a few pig boats that were documented Coast Wise too. *Those designations are not consistent at all, and have nothing to do with how the boat is used and/or what the boat is capable of. S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD CSY 44 WO #156http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html Hey there granny, maybe I should re phrase my word ch salt water have land animal names. just because a sailboat.trawler bumbles around the ocean does not make it a working boat. Take Joe and Skip. They both claim to be experienced sailors yet each's record is an example of their skill level. Yes, the working fleets, once operated by those who had knowledge and a respect for maritime history and tradition, are few now days. I supoose next Skip will self certify his 360 days on the Pig, take a test, and get his 50 grt master license and claim he is a seasoned Captain.............. with years of experience. But a few of us out there will mourn the fact that any nuckle head can get a captains license and name their boat Heffer or Rodent or Cow Patty or other such lubberly dribble........ Bob Sorry I took your husbands name. no insult intended..... I'm not sure whether you would number the Royal Navy among your elite group of "those who had knowledge and a respect for maritime history and tradition" but here is a list of British naval vessels, from the 1618 - 1642 naval List, with land animal names. I have deliberately used the early list to illustrate that the practice of using animal names is not a new one. Name Date launched Fate White Bear 1599 Sold 1629 (Red) Lion 1609 Rebuilt 1640 Antelope 1618 Burnt in 1649 Unicorn 1634 Sold in 1688 Leopard 1635 Captured by the Dutch in 1653 Lion 640 Rebuilt in 1658 Tiger 1647 Rebuilt in 1681 Antelope 1651 Wrecked in 1652 Leopard 1659 Sunk 1699. It appears Sir, that you do not know what you are talking about. Bruce-in-Bangkok (Note:remove underscores from address for reply) |
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On Mar 2, 5:38*pm, Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:41:16 -0800 (PST), Bob I'm not sure whether you would number the Royal Navy among your elite group of "those who had knowledge and a respect for .... Nope. Those limie war ships do not qualify. As our miltary also names their boats after just about anybody. Hell even Ronald Rayguns got a boat. SO if your going international lets take a look at the Polish fishing fleet under Soviet rule. First the Polls refer to their boats as HE... as do several other cultures. Polish boats ive worked on: Kantar = small salt water fish Admmiral Archischisky = Polish Naval skipper Kalmar = Squid Mustel = not sure Dolphine = porpoise Riekin = another fish Now for there merchant fleet... their cargo boats are all named after moutains as in Gorda SO I guess we could go all over the world and get another slant on "maritime history n tradtion" So what do those "you buy me drink" girls call boats n your neighborhood?? It appears Sir, that you do not know what you are talking about. Bruce-in-Bangkok Sorry Bruce I do, its just that your mind works a little to international. Once you cite the Limmies as a source it opens th whole world as potential examples. I was thinking a bit more local......... Here is something else for you to research. SOME de-naming events say, EVERYTHING on a boat with the old name must be removed befor the new naming act occures. Ever wonder why? I dont know if its the "true origin" but I came up with a rather practical reason for removing EVERYTHING with teh old name from the boat. Whats your take Bruce? Bob |
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On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:01:52 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote: On Mar 2, 5:38*pm, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:41:16 -0800 (PST), Bob I'm not sure whether you would number the Royal Navy among your elite group of "those who had knowledge and a respect for .... Nope. Those limie war ships do not qualify. As our miltary also names their boats after just about anybody. Hell even Ronald Rayguns got a boat. SO if your going international lets take a look at the Polish fishing fleet under Soviet rule. First the Polls refer to their boats as HE... as do several other cultures. Polish boats ive worked on: Kantar = small salt water fish Admmiral Archischisky = Polish Naval skipper Kalmar = Squid Mustel = not sure Dolphine = porpoise Riekin = another fish Now for there merchant fleet... their cargo boats are all named after moutains as in Gorda SO I guess we could go all over the world and get another slant on "maritime history n tradtion" So what do those "you buy me drink" girls call boats n your neighborhood?? It appears Sir, that you do not know what you are talking about. Bruce-in-Bangkok Sorry Bruce I do, its just that your mind works a little to international. Once you cite the Limmies as a source it opens th whole world as potential examples. I was thinking a bit more local......... Here is something else for you to research. SOME de-naming events say, EVERYTHING on a boat with the old name must be removed befor the new naming act occures. Ever wonder why? I dont know if its the "true origin" but I came up with a rather practical reason for removing EVERYTHING with teh old name from the boat. Whats your take Bruce? Bob You used the term "those who had knowledge and a respect for ...." so I assumed that you meant what you said. However, perhaps you actually mean it to apply only to the U.S. and exclude all other countries, or do you mean some specific area of the U.S.; New England Coast? Chesapeake Bay? San Francisco bay?. As far as changing a vessel's name I'm afraid that you need to quote a source for that as certainly as far back as the 1500's we have written evidence that vessel names were changed, with apparently no problems. Quite the contrary, some of them were unbelievably lucky after the name change. . In my own case I just painted a new name on the stern and went sailing and seeing that I rode out the recent Thai tsunami some 15 miles off the island of Phi Phi, in Pha Nga Bay, I can't believe that any bad luck was accrued by the name change. No, what you HAVE to do is set off a string of firecrackers at the stern of the boat when you leave anchor. This scares the devils off the boat and allows you to sail off and leave them rather then having them stay aboard where they can cause innumerable problems. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message ... In my own case I just painted a new name on the stern and went sailing and seeing that I rode out the recent Thai tsunami some 15 miles off the island of Phi Phi, in Pha Nga Bay, I can't believe that any bad luck was accrued by the name change. Ha ha ha, Brucie Boy! What an IDIOT you are! Any knowledgeable sailor knows that there is no such thing as a noticeable tsunami well offshore. It's only when such a wave hits shoal water or a beach that it heaps up into a noticeable height. A tsunami is not even noticeable in deep water as it might be all of three or four feet high but with a wavelength of half a mile or so. If you were a real sailor as you claim you would know this. Again, I say you are a fraud or a wannabe. You show your ignorance of things nautical daily. Please go away. Maybe you and Skippy should get together and swap some tales. He's about your speed. Just another wannabe. Wilbur Hubbard |
Question for Skip on SV Flying Pig
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:59:58 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message .. . In my own case I just painted a new name on the stern and went sailing and seeing that I rode out the recent Thai tsunami some 15 miles off the island of Phi Phi, in Pha Nga Bay, I can't believe that any bad luck was accrued by the name change. If you were a real sailor as you claim you would know this. Again, I say you are a fraud or a wannabe. You show your ignorance of things nautical daily. Please go away. Maybe you and Skippy should get together and swap some tales. He's about your speed. Just another wannabe. Wilbur Hubbard Well, well, Willie the expert. Given that I was there I think I have a petty good idea how high the wave was. But, since you are an expert please tell me know how high the wave was when I encountered it, and while you are amazing us with your brilliance you might also let us know how deep the water was where I encountered the wave. It would also be enlightening if you to give us an inkling of how many tsunamis you have survived, and perhaps a little information on your experiences in these matters to demonstrate that you actually have some knowledge of what you talk and are not just another fool parroting words that others have written. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
Question for Skip on SV Flying Pig
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:59:58 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: If you were a real sailor as you claim you would know this. Again, I say you are a fraud or a wannabe. You show your ignorance of things nautical daily. Please go away. Maybe you and Skippy should get together and swap some tales. He's about your speed. Just another wannabe. Wilbur Hubbard Well, willie both Skip and I have boats and you don't. So explain again, who's the wannabe? Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
Question for Skip on SV Flying Pig
On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 08:24:13 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:59:58 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message . .. In my own case I just painted a new name on the stern and went sailing and seeing that I rode out the recent Thai tsunami some 15 miles off the island of Phi Phi, in Pha Nga Bay, I can't believe that any bad luck was accrued by the name change. If you were a real sailor as you claim you would know this. Again, I say you are a fraud or a wannabe. You show your ignorance of things nautical daily. Please go away. Maybe you and Skippy should get together and swap some tales. He's about your speed. Just another wannabe. Wilbur Hubbard Well, well, Willie the expert. Given that I was there I think I have a petty good idea how high the wave was. But, since you are an expert please tell me know how high the wave was when I encountered it, and while you are amazing us with your brilliance you might also let us know how deep the water was where I encountered the wave. It would also be enlightening if you to give us an inkling of how many tsunamis you have survived, and perhaps a little information on your experiences in these matters to demonstrate that you actually have some knowledge of what you talk and are not just another fool parroting words that others have written. LOL You just can't resist this guy, Bruce. Not complaining. Freedom of speech and all that. Carry on. --Vic |
Question for Skip on SV Flying Pig
Richard Casady wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:23:00 -0800 (PST), Bob wrote: SKIP: How many real boats do you know that are named after land animals??? I know of vessels named Petral Jeager Halibut Puffin Sea Lion But I dont know of any sea boats with a land animal name. At least one that is still floating ;) SS Badger on Lake Michigan. A ferry, it burns coal and it has piston engines. Casady Let's not forget the "Beagle". Cheers Marty ------------ And now a word from our sponsor ------------------ For a quality usenet news server, try DNEWS, easy to install, fast, efficient and reliable. For home servers or carrier class installations with millions of users it will allow you to grow! ---- See http://netwinsite.com/sponsor/sponsor_dnews.htm ---- |
Question for Skip on SV Flying Pig
"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message ... On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:59:58 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message . .. In my own case I just painted a new name on the stern and went sailing and seeing that I rode out the recent Thai tsunami some 15 miles off the island of Phi Phi, in Pha Nga Bay, I can't believe that any bad luck was accrued by the name change. If you were a real sailor as you claim you would know this. Again, I say you are a fraud or a wannabe. You show your ignorance of things nautical daily. Please go away. Maybe you and Skippy should get together and swap some tales. He's about your speed. Just another wannabe. Wilbur Hubbard Well, well, Willie the expert. Given that I was there I think I have a petty good idea how high the wave was. But, since you are an expert please tell me know how high the wave was when I encountered it, and while you are amazing us with your brilliance you might also let us know how deep the water was where I encountered the wave. You imagined it if there was a wave at all. It's a simple fact that in deep water tsunamies are not even noticable. Unless that bay is only a couple hundred feet deep or less you'd not see a tsunami passing. You said you were fifteen miles from some island. Water was probably pretty deep fifteen miles out from the nearest land. I don't have a chart but I'd guess a thousand feet or two is the depth where you were. It would also be enlightening if you to give us an inkling of how many tsunamis you have survived, and perhaps a little information on your experiences in these matters to demonstrate that you actually have some knowledge of what you talk and are not just another fool parroting words that others have written. Because I read everything in sight don't hold that against me. It's the reading combined with the years of practical experience that makes me biggest expert in these groups. Never forget it. -- Wilbur Hubbard |
Question for Skip on SV Flying Pig
"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message ... On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:59:58 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: If you were a real sailor as you claim you would know this. Again, I say you are a fraud or a wannabe. You show your ignorance of things nautical daily. Please go away. Maybe you and Skippy should get together and swap some tales. He's about your speed. Just another wannabe. Wilbur Hubbard Well, willie both Skip and I have boats and you don't. So explain again, who's the wannabe? Your boats are junk compared to my Swan. I wouldn't even want to anchor close to what you two own. I refer to such as them as 'bum boats.' I prefer more enlightened company in an anchorage. -- Wilbur Hubbard |
Question for Skip on SV Flying Pig
On 2008-03-02 00:28:56 -0500, Bob said:
On Mar 1, 6:01*pm, Rosalie B. wrote: Hi: And do you notice that all have a Recreational documentation...... NONE are Coast Wise.... But I suppose you could also find a few pig boats that were documented Coast Wise too. So it looks to be a bunch of luberly lake people name their boats all sort of discusting things... Hell, why not Blow Job or maybe Wet Spot...... as well. Bagger.......... like I said, no worthy Sea Boat has a terestial animal name bob Actually, I've seen a Wet Spot. (It's a power boat.) And DH swears he's seen a boat by the name of Blow Job. Ruby |
Question for Skip on SV Flying Pig
Ruby Vee wrote:
On 2008-03-02 00:28:56 -0500, Bob said: On Mar 1, 6:01 pm, Rosalie B. wrote: Hi: And do you notice that all have a Recreational documentation...... NONE are Coast Wise.... But I suppose you could also find a few pig boats that were documented Coast Wise too. So it looks to be a bunch of luberly lake people name their boats all sort of discusting things... Hell, why not Blow Job or maybe Wet Spot...... as well. Bagger.......... like I said, no worthy Sea Boat has a terestial animal name bob Actually, I've seen a Wet Spot. (It's a power boat.) And DH swears he's seen a boat by the name of Blow Job. Ruby There is one on the same pier as my boat - A mac 26. |
Question for Skip on SV Flying Pig
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:44:16 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:59:58 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message ... You imagined it if there was a wave at all. It's a simple fact that in deep water tsunamies are not even noticable. Unless that bay is only a couple hundred feet deep or less you'd not see a tsunami passing. You said you were fifteen miles from some island. Water was probably pretty deep fifteen miles out from the nearest land. I don't have a chart but I'd guess a thousand feet or two is the depth where you were. As usual you have one tiny little bit of information and a ton of ignorance. You are correct that a wave has a vertical motion that changes the height of the wave as the depth of water changes but this is a variable that depends on the size of the wave and the depth of the water. Since, by your own statement, you have no conception of the size of the wave or the depth of water you are in no position to comment but of course that doesn't bother you a bit. The relief check is in and you've got enough money, this week, to buy your favorite tipple so you suck on the Thunderbird bottle and spout drivel. Because I read everything in sight don't hold that against me. It's the reading combined with the years of practical experience that makes me biggest expert in these groups. Never forget it. Well, the reading is good but when you filter what you read through the Thunderbird haze they become devoid of intelligence. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
Question for Skip on SV Flying Pig
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:46:55 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:59:58 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: If you were a real sailor as you claim you would know this. Again, I say you are a fraud or a wannabe. You show your ignorance of things nautical daily. Please go away. Maybe you and Skippy should get together and swap some tales. He's about your speed. Just another wannabe. Wilbur Hubbard Well, willie both Skip and I have boats and you don't. So explain again, who's the wannabe? Your boats are junk compared to my Swan. I wouldn't even want to anchor close to what you two own. I refer to such as them as 'bum boats.' I prefer more enlightened company in an anchorage. Willie, Willie, face facts. you don't own a boat. If you don't stop drinking that cheap-ass Thunderbird you are going to go completely around the bend, you are already hallucinating. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
Question for Skip on SV Flying Pig
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:46:55 -0500,somedumbass
wrote this crap: If you were a real sailor as you claim you would know this. Again, I say you are a fraud or a wannabe. You show your ignorance of things nautical daily. Please go away. Maybe you and Skippy should get together and swap some tales. He's about your speed. Just another wannabe. Wilbur Hubbard Well, willie both Skip and I have boats and you don't. So explain again, who's the wannabe? Your boats are junk compared to my Swan. I wouldn't even want to anchor close to what you two own. I refer to such as them as 'bum boats.' I prefer more enlightened company in an anchorage. Yeah. Me too. I don't hang around the riff-raff. That's why you'll never see my yacht next to an egotist and narcissist like you. I'm Horvath and I approve of this post. |
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