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I'm looking to down size to a trailerable sailboat with a swing keel around
25'-27'. I will be sailing on the Indian River in FL and need a very shallow draft. I would also like to able to haul the boat without yard fees and maybe some trailer sailing and the vehicle I would use is a full size pickup with a V-6 so I need to be fairly conservative with weight. Any suggestions and personal experiences would be appreciated. Merlin. |
Swing keel 25
MMC wrote:
I'm looking to down size to a trailerable sailboat with a swing keel around 25'-27'. I will be sailing on the Indian River in FL and need a very shallow draft. I would also like to able to haul the boat without yard fees and maybe some trailer sailing and the vehicle I would use is a full size pickup with a V-6 so I need to be fairly conservative with weight. Any suggestions and personal experiences would be appreciated. My wife and I daysailed, weekended, and cruised, in a trailerable for over ten years. Often we went in company with fellow club members or friends with trailerable sailboats, so we got to see a lot in action. The boat that we chose was quite a bit smaller (19')for reasons of practicality. In the size range you're looking at, the most bang for the buck will be one of these: MacGregor 26 MacGregor LOA=25.8 LWL=23.8 Bm=7.9 Dr=1.2/5.3 MONO-WB Sloop-Fr Disp=2,850 Ballast=1,225 SA=236 They were built from about 1987 to 1995, and their biggest flaw is that they are bulky on land and tippy in the water. But they are relatively fast & roomy boats. Of course nobody at the yacht club will be impressed. If i have one suggestion, that is to keep the weight down. Lots of people are tearing up their cars and especially their trannies & brakes trying to tow boats that are 102% of their vehicles tow capacity. You're far better off at about 75% or less. Remember too that trailer maintenance is one of the trade-offs of not having to pay for a slip... Fresh Breezes- Doug King Here is a list of other trailerable boats in the size range you're looking. There are MANY more out there. Morgan 24 Morgan, Charles 24.5 21.0 8.0 2.8/6 MONO-K/CB Sloop 5,000 1,900 310 Windrose 25 24.7 22.1 7.8 6.3 MONO Sloop 2,500 600 228 Helms 25 Windley, Stuart 24.9 21.5 8.0 1.7/6 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,950 1,650 270 MacGregor 25 MacGregor 24.9 22.8 7.9 1.5'/5' MONO-SwK Sloop-Fr 2,100 625 314 B-25 Bailey 25.0 21.3 8.3 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,000 800 273 Elliott 770 Elliott 25.0 23.6 8.2 1'7"/5'8" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,400 850 320 Dehler 25 Van DeStadt 25.0 19.5 8.2 1.5/4.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop 3,031 1,553 278 Bremer 25 BREMER 25.0 22.5 8.0 2.5/6.2 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 3,800 1,600 308 CATALINA 25 Butler, Frank 25.0 22.3 8.0 2.1 / 5.1 MONO-SwK Sloop-MH 4,550 1,200 270 Morgan 25 Morgan, Charles 25.0 21.5 8.0 2.8/6.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 5,000 1,900 310 ENSENADA 25 Hankinson 25.2 22.2 7.9 2.2 MONO-CB SLOOP 3,000 1,200 278 Skimmer 25 Parker 25.4 24.0 8.2 1'4"/3'10" MONO-CB Sloop-Gaff 3,800 1,000 375 Balboa 26 Hess 25.6 20.8 8.0 1.8'/5 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,600 1,200 293 CHRYSLER 26 Herreshoff, H 25.6 22.0 8.0 2.1 / 5.7 MONO SLOOP 4,200 1,925 277 South Coast 26 Metcalf/Monroe 25.8 23.3 1.8/3.8 MONO-DrK SLOOP 4,200 1,473 250 Etap 26 Van DeStadt 25.8 21.6 9.0 3.1/5.4 MONO-DrK Sloop 5,000 1,545 384 S2 7.9 G & S 25.9 21.7 9.0 1'8"/5'2" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 4,250 1,750 329 Kent Ranger 26 Richards, Ray 26.0 22.0 8.0 2.4/4.9 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 4,750 320 Nimble Kodiak Brewer 26.4 24.3 8.5 1'10"/4'4" MONO SLOOP 3,650 1,350 285 Tripp 26 Tripp, Bill 26.7 22.0 8.7 2/6 MONO Sloop-Fr 2,900 1,000 347 Seaward 25 Hake 26.8 22.2 8.3 2.1 MONO-WK Sloop-Fr 3,600 1,200 280 Sea Pearl 28 Herreshoff 27.8 24.6 8.0 1.6/5.5 MONO-CB Cat-Ketch 4,200 1,200 296 |
Swing keel 25
MMC wrote:
I'm looking to down size to a trailerable sailboat with a swing keel around 25'-27'. I will be sailing on the Indian River in FL and need a very shallow draft. I would also like to able to haul the boat without yard fees and maybe some trailer sailing and the vehicle I would use is a full size pickup with a V-6 so I need to be fairly conservative with weight. Any suggestions and personal experiences would be appreciated. My wife and I daysailed, weekended, and cruised, in a trailerable for over ten years. Often we went in company with fellow club members or friends with trailerable sailboats, so we got to see a lot in action. The boat that we chose was quite a bit smaller (19')for reasons of practicality. In the size range you're looking at, the most bang for the buck will be one of these: MacGregor 26 MacGregor LOA=25.8 LWL=23.8 Bm=7.9 Dr=1.2/5.3 MONO-WB Sloop-Fr Disp=2,850 Ballast=1,225 SA=236 They were built from about 1987 to 1995, and their biggest flaw is that they are bulky on land and tippy in the water. But they are relatively fast & roomy boats. Of course nobody at the yacht club will be impressed. If i have one suggestion, that is to keep the weight down. Lots of people are tearing up their cars and especially their trannies & brakes trying to tow boats that are 102% of their vehicles tow capacity. You're far better off at about 75% or less. Remember too that trailer maintenance is one of the trade-offs of not having to pay for a slip... Fresh Breezes- Doug King Here is a list of other trailerable boats in the size range you're looking. There are MANY more out there. Morgan 24 Morgan, Charles 24.5 21.0 8.0 2.8/6 MONO-K/CB Sloop 5,000 1,900 310 Windrose 25 24.7 22.1 7.8 6.3 MONO Sloop 2,500 600 228 Helms 25 Windley, Stuart 24.9 21.5 8.0 1.7/6 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,950 1,650 270 MacGregor 25 MacGregor 24.9 22.8 7.9 1.5'/5' MONO-SwK Sloop-Fr 2,100 625 314 B-25 Bailey 25.0 21.3 8.3 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,000 800 273 Elliott 770 Elliott 25.0 23.6 8.2 1'7"/5'8" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,400 850 320 Dehler 25 Van DeStadt 25.0 19.5 8.2 1.5/4.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop 3,031 1,553 278 Bremer 25 BREMER 25.0 22.5 8.0 2.5/6.2 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 3,800 1,600 308 CATALINA 25 Butler, Frank 25.0 22.3 8.0 2.1 / 5.1 MONO-SwK Sloop-MH 4,550 1,200 270 Morgan 25 Morgan, Charles 25.0 21.5 8.0 2.8/6.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 5,000 1,900 310 ENSENADA 25 Hankinson 25.2 22.2 7.9 2.2 MONO-CB SLOOP 3,000 1,200 278 Skimmer 25 Parker 25.4 24.0 8.2 1'4"/3'10" MONO-CB Sloop-Gaff 3,800 1,000 375 Balboa 26 Hess 25.6 20.8 8.0 1.8'/5 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,600 1,200 293 CHRYSLER 26 Herreshoff, H 25.6 22.0 8.0 2.1 / 5.7 MONO SLOOP 4,200 1,925 277 South Coast 26 Metcalf/Monroe 25.8 23.3 1.8/3.8 MONO-DrK SLOOP 4,200 1,473 250 Etap 26 Van DeStadt 25.8 21.6 9.0 3.1/5.4 MONO-DrK Sloop 5,000 1,545 384 S2 7.9 G & S 25.9 21.7 9.0 1'8"/5'2" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 4,250 1,750 329 Kent Ranger 26 Richards, Ray 26.0 22.0 8.0 2.4/4.9 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 4,750 320 Nimble Kodiak Brewer 26.4 24.3 8.5 1'10"/4'4" MONO SLOOP 3,650 1,350 285 Tripp 26 Tripp, Bill 26.7 22.0 8.7 2/6 MONO Sloop-Fr 2,900 1,000 347 Seaward 25 Hake 26.8 22.2 8.3 2.1 MONO-WK Sloop-Fr 3,600 1,200 280 Sea Pearl 28 Herreshoff 27.8 24.6 8.0 1.6/5.5 MONO-CB Cat-Ketch 4,200 1,200 296 |
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This is my problem. my mini van is rated for 2000 lbs
Sailboat I'm getting is 1200 lbs 4 or 6 horsepower motor about 60 trailer about 300 no room for any extras DSK wrote in message ... My wife and I daysailed, weekended, and cruised, in a trailerable for over ten years. Often we went in company with fellow club members or friends with trailerable sailboats, so we got to see a lot in action. The boat that we chose was quite a bit smaller (19')for reasons of practicality. In the size range you're looking at, the most bang for the buck will be one of these: MacGregor 26 MacGregor LOA=25.8 LWL=23.8 Bm=7.9 Dr=1.2/5.3 MONO-WB Sloop-Fr Disp=2,850 Ballast=1,225 SA=236 They were built from about 1987 to 1995, and their biggest flaw is that they are bulky on land and tippy in the water. But they are relatively fast & roomy boats. Of course nobody at the yacht club will be impressed. If i have one suggestion, that is to keep the weight down. Lots of people are tearing up their cars and especially their trannies & brakes trying to tow boats that are 102% of their vehicles tow capacity. You're far better off at about 75% or less. Remember too that trailer maintenance is one of the trade-offs of not having to pay for a slip... Fresh Breezes- Doug King Here is a list of other trailerable boats in the size range you're looking. There are MANY more out there. Morgan 24 Morgan, Charles 24.5 21.0 8.0 2.8/6 MONO-K/CB Sloop 5,000 1,900 310 Windrose 25 24.7 22.1 7.8 6.3 MONO Sloop 2,500 600 228 Helms 25 Windley, Stuart 24.9 21.5 8.0 1.7/6 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,950 1,650 270 MacGregor 25 MacGregor 24.9 22.8 7.9 1.5'/5' MONO-SwK Sloop-Fr 2,100 625 314 B-25 Bailey 25.0 21.3 8.3 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,000 800 273 Elliott 770 Elliott 25.0 23.6 8.2 1'7"/5'8" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,400 850 320 Dehler 25 Van DeStadt 25.0 19.5 8.2 1.5/4.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop 3,031 1,553 278 Bremer 25 BREMER 25.0 22.5 8.0 2.5/6.2 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 3,800 1,600 308 CATALINA 25 Butler, Frank 25.0 22.3 8.0 2.1 / 5.1 MONO-SwK Sloop-MH 4,550 1,200 270 Morgan 25 Morgan, Charles 25.0 21.5 8.0 2.8/6.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 5,000 1,900 310 ENSENADA 25 Hankinson 25.2 22.2 7.9 2.2 MONO-CB SLOOP 3,000 1,200 278 Skimmer 25 Parker 25.4 24.0 8.2 1'4"/3'10" MONO-CB Sloop-Gaff 3,800 1,000 375 Balboa 26 Hess 25.6 20.8 8.0 1.8'/5 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,600 1,200 293 CHRYSLER 26 Herreshoff, H 25.6 22.0 8.0 2.1 / 5.7 MONO SLOOP 4,200 1,925 277 South Coast 26 Metcalf/Monroe 25.8 23.3 1.8/3.8 MONO-DrK SLOOP 4,200 1,473 250 Etap 26 Van DeStadt 25.8 21.6 9.0 3.1/5.4 MONO-DrK Sloop 5,000 1,545 384 S2 7.9 G & S 25.9 21.7 9.0 1'8"/5'2" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 4,250 1,750 329 Kent Ranger 26 Richards, Ray 26.0 22.0 8.0 2.4/4.9 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 4,750 320 Nimble Kodiak Brewer 26.4 24.3 8.5 1'10"/4'4" MONO SLOOP 3,650 1,350 285 Tripp 26 Tripp, Bill 26.7 22.0 8.7 2/6 MONO Sloop-Fr 2,900 1,000 347 Seaward 25 Hake 26.8 22.2 8.3 2.1 MONO-WK Sloop-Fr 3,600 1,200 280 Sea Pearl 28 Herreshoff 27.8 24.6 8.0 1.6/5.5 MONO-CB Cat-Ketch 4,200 1,200 296 |
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This is my problem. my mini van is rated for 2000 lbs
Sailboat I'm getting is 1200 lbs 4 or 6 horsepower motor about 60 trailer about 300 no room for any extras DSK wrote in message ... My wife and I daysailed, weekended, and cruised, in a trailerable for over ten years. Often we went in company with fellow club members or friends with trailerable sailboats, so we got to see a lot in action. The boat that we chose was quite a bit smaller (19')for reasons of practicality. In the size range you're looking at, the most bang for the buck will be one of these: MacGregor 26 MacGregor LOA=25.8 LWL=23.8 Bm=7.9 Dr=1.2/5.3 MONO-WB Sloop-Fr Disp=2,850 Ballast=1,225 SA=236 They were built from about 1987 to 1995, and their biggest flaw is that they are bulky on land and tippy in the water. But they are relatively fast & roomy boats. Of course nobody at the yacht club will be impressed. If i have one suggestion, that is to keep the weight down. Lots of people are tearing up their cars and especially their trannies & brakes trying to tow boats that are 102% of their vehicles tow capacity. You're far better off at about 75% or less. Remember too that trailer maintenance is one of the trade-offs of not having to pay for a slip... Fresh Breezes- Doug King Here is a list of other trailerable boats in the size range you're looking. There are MANY more out there. Morgan 24 Morgan, Charles 24.5 21.0 8.0 2.8/6 MONO-K/CB Sloop 5,000 1,900 310 Windrose 25 24.7 22.1 7.8 6.3 MONO Sloop 2,500 600 228 Helms 25 Windley, Stuart 24.9 21.5 8.0 1.7/6 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,950 1,650 270 MacGregor 25 MacGregor 24.9 22.8 7.9 1.5'/5' MONO-SwK Sloop-Fr 2,100 625 314 B-25 Bailey 25.0 21.3 8.3 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,000 800 273 Elliott 770 Elliott 25.0 23.6 8.2 1'7"/5'8" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,400 850 320 Dehler 25 Van DeStadt 25.0 19.5 8.2 1.5/4.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop 3,031 1,553 278 Bremer 25 BREMER 25.0 22.5 8.0 2.5/6.2 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 3,800 1,600 308 CATALINA 25 Butler, Frank 25.0 22.3 8.0 2.1 / 5.1 MONO-SwK Sloop-MH 4,550 1,200 270 Morgan 25 Morgan, Charles 25.0 21.5 8.0 2.8/6.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 5,000 1,900 310 ENSENADA 25 Hankinson 25.2 22.2 7.9 2.2 MONO-CB SLOOP 3,000 1,200 278 Skimmer 25 Parker 25.4 24.0 8.2 1'4"/3'10" MONO-CB Sloop-Gaff 3,800 1,000 375 Balboa 26 Hess 25.6 20.8 8.0 1.8'/5 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,600 1,200 293 CHRYSLER 26 Herreshoff, H 25.6 22.0 8.0 2.1 / 5.7 MONO SLOOP 4,200 1,925 277 South Coast 26 Metcalf/Monroe 25.8 23.3 1.8/3.8 MONO-DrK SLOOP 4,200 1,473 250 Etap 26 Van DeStadt 25.8 21.6 9.0 3.1/5.4 MONO-DrK Sloop 5,000 1,545 384 S2 7.9 G & S 25.9 21.7 9.0 1'8"/5'2" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 4,250 1,750 329 Kent Ranger 26 Richards, Ray 26.0 22.0 8.0 2.4/4.9 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 4,750 320 Nimble Kodiak Brewer 26.4 24.3 8.5 1'10"/4'4" MONO SLOOP 3,650 1,350 285 Tripp 26 Tripp, Bill 26.7 22.0 8.7 2/6 MONO Sloop-Fr 2,900 1,000 347 Seaward 25 Hake 26.8 22.2 8.3 2.1 MONO-WK Sloop-Fr 3,600 1,200 280 Sea Pearl 28 Herreshoff 27.8 24.6 8.0 1.6/5.5 MONO-CB Cat-Ketch 4,200 1,200 296 |
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Don,
I went looking for my old SAE books to read about trailer tow ratings again, (I could not find) but let me assure that the rating has more to do with morons and warrantee than with what an owner can actually do without damaging the vehicle. There are actually three limiting factors: total weight (CGVW) the combined gross vehicle weight -this is what the brakes will have to stop- trailer tongue weight has to be about 10% of trailer for control -this is what makes the vehicle squat and the headlights too high- the vehicle power train capability -it is now tough to over heat a transmission- Needless to say the first two are safety issues, that last one is easy. If you go over the CGVW listed on the tag in the drivers door, don't get into situations that require a lot of braking like crossing the local mountains or rush hour traffic. Remember that this is the total package weight so the set of golfclubs in the van come out of what you can take sailing. The tongue weight is largely a control issue, but the headlights can loss usefulness too. Pay attention to the boat/trailer balance. Where you carry the motor can make all the difference in the those golfclubs are still part of the problem. The powertrain issue comes in two parts, one is horsepower and as far as you should be concerned this is a non-issue. It may require patience, but you can get there. Just do be courteous and make room for the parade behind you to get by. The other part is drive line load (I won't go over manual trans stuff because I'm the only one that still uses the things). This can be a big issue both pull out of the water and on the road. Be certain to command the trans to lower gears as much as you can. The transmissions these days are calibrated for emissions and fuel economy and they will up-shift way too soon if you let them. This will cause them to stir the torque converter more and build up more heat in the fluid (that can be real bad). But that is heat - think about it and deal with it. The vehicle owners manual will have a paragraph about how to deal with a transmission overheat. You know those 70+foot long 75,000# 18 wheel trucks that carry everything? They have brakes out the bazoo, they watch their balance by the axle and most are less than 400HP - think about it. If you are willing to use brain power in a radical pre-emptive fashion, you can drag a whole lot with not much. Matt Colie - been at this way too long - Don White wrote: This is my problem. my mini van is rated for 2000 lbs Sailboat I'm getting is 1200 lbs 4 or 6 horsepower motor about 60 trailer about 300 no room for any extras DSK wrote in message ... My wife and I daysailed, weekended, and cruised, in a trailerable for over ten years. Often we went in company with fellow club members or friends with trailerable sailboats, so we got to see a lot in action. The boat that we chose was quite a bit smaller (19')for reasons of practicality. In the size range you're looking at, the most bang for the buck will be one of these: MacGregor 26 MacGregor LOA=25.8 LWL=23.8 Bm=7.9 Dr=1.2/5.3 MONO-WB Sloop-Fr Disp=2,850 Ballast=1,225 SA=236 They were built from about 1987 to 1995, and their biggest flaw is that they are bulky on land and tippy in the water. But they are relatively fast & roomy boats. Of course nobody at the yacht club will be impressed. If i have one suggestion, that is to keep the weight down. Lots of people are tearing up their cars and especially their trannies & brakes trying to tow boats that are 102% of their vehicles tow capacity. You're far better off at about 75% or less. Remember too that trailer maintenance is one of the trade-offs of not having to pay for a slip... Fresh Breezes- Doug King Here is a list of other trailerable boats in the size range you're looking. There are MANY more out there. Morgan 24 Morgan, Charles 24.5 21.0 8.0 2.8/6 MONO-K/CB Sloop 5,000 1,900 310 Windrose 25 24.7 22.1 7.8 6.3 MONO Sloop 2,500 600 228 Helms 25 Windley, Stuart 24.9 21.5 8.0 1.7/6 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,950 1,650 270 MacGregor 25 MacGregor 24.9 22.8 7.9 1.5'/5' MONO-SwK Sloop-Fr 2,100 625 314 B-25 Bailey 25.0 21.3 8.3 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,000 800 273 Elliott 770 Elliott 25.0 23.6 8.2 1'7"/5'8" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,400 850 320 Dehler 25 Van DeStadt 25.0 19.5 8.2 1.5/4.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop 3,031 1,553 278 Bremer 25 BREMER 25.0 22.5 8.0 2.5/6.2 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 3,800 1,600 308 CATALINA 25 Butler, Frank 25.0 22.3 8.0 2.1 / 5.1 MONO-SwK Sloop-MH 4,550 1,200 270 Morgan 25 Morgan, Charles 25.0 21.5 8.0 2.8/6.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 5,000 1,900 310 ENSENADA 25 Hankinson 25.2 22.2 7.9 2.2 MONO-CB SLOOP 3,000 1,200 278 Skimmer 25 Parker 25.4 24.0 8.2 1'4"/3'10" MONO-CB Sloop-Gaff 3,800 1,000 375 Balboa 26 Hess 25.6 20.8 8.0 1.8'/5 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,600 1,200 293 CHRYSLER 26 Herreshoff, H 25.6 22.0 8.0 2.1 / 5.7 MONO SLOOP 4,200 1,925 277 South Coast 26 Metcalf/Monroe 25.8 23.3 1.8/3.8 MONO-DrK SLOOP 4,200 1,473 250 Etap 26 Van DeStadt 25.8 21.6 9.0 3.1/5.4 MONO-DrK Sloop 5,000 1,545 384 S2 7.9 G & S 25.9 21.7 9.0 1'8"/5'2" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 4,250 1,750 329 Kent Ranger 26 Richards, Ray 26.0 22.0 8.0 2.4/4.9 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 4,750 320 Nimble Kodiak Brewer 26.4 24.3 8.5 1'10"/4'4" MONO SLOOP 3,650 1,350 285 Tripp 26 Tripp, Bill 26.7 22.0 8.7 2/6 MONO Sloop-Fr 2,900 1,000 347 Seaward 25 Hake 26.8 22.2 8.3 2.1 MONO-WK Sloop-Fr 3,600 1,200 280 Sea Pearl 28 Herreshoff 27.8 24.6 8.0 1.6/5.5 MONO-CB Cat-Ketch 4,200 1,200 296 |
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Don,
I went looking for my old SAE books to read about trailer tow ratings again, (I could not find) but let me assure that the rating has more to do with morons and warrantee than with what an owner can actually do without damaging the vehicle. There are actually three limiting factors: total weight (CGVW) the combined gross vehicle weight -this is what the brakes will have to stop- trailer tongue weight has to be about 10% of trailer for control -this is what makes the vehicle squat and the headlights too high- the vehicle power train capability -it is now tough to over heat a transmission- Needless to say the first two are safety issues, that last one is easy. If you go over the CGVW listed on the tag in the drivers door, don't get into situations that require a lot of braking like crossing the local mountains or rush hour traffic. Remember that this is the total package weight so the set of golfclubs in the van come out of what you can take sailing. The tongue weight is largely a control issue, but the headlights can loss usefulness too. Pay attention to the boat/trailer balance. Where you carry the motor can make all the difference in the those golfclubs are still part of the problem. The powertrain issue comes in two parts, one is horsepower and as far as you should be concerned this is a non-issue. It may require patience, but you can get there. Just do be courteous and make room for the parade behind you to get by. The other part is drive line load (I won't go over manual trans stuff because I'm the only one that still uses the things). This can be a big issue both pull out of the water and on the road. Be certain to command the trans to lower gears as much as you can. The transmissions these days are calibrated for emissions and fuel economy and they will up-shift way too soon if you let them. This will cause them to stir the torque converter more and build up more heat in the fluid (that can be real bad). But that is heat - think about it and deal with it. The vehicle owners manual will have a paragraph about how to deal with a transmission overheat. You know those 70+foot long 75,000# 18 wheel trucks that carry everything? They have brakes out the bazoo, they watch their balance by the axle and most are less than 400HP - think about it. If you are willing to use brain power in a radical pre-emptive fashion, you can drag a whole lot with not much. Matt Colie - been at this way too long - Don White wrote: This is my problem. my mini van is rated for 2000 lbs Sailboat I'm getting is 1200 lbs 4 or 6 horsepower motor about 60 trailer about 300 no room for any extras DSK wrote in message ... My wife and I daysailed, weekended, and cruised, in a trailerable for over ten years. Often we went in company with fellow club members or friends with trailerable sailboats, so we got to see a lot in action. The boat that we chose was quite a bit smaller (19')for reasons of practicality. In the size range you're looking at, the most bang for the buck will be one of these: MacGregor 26 MacGregor LOA=25.8 LWL=23.8 Bm=7.9 Dr=1.2/5.3 MONO-WB Sloop-Fr Disp=2,850 Ballast=1,225 SA=236 They were built from about 1987 to 1995, and their biggest flaw is that they are bulky on land and tippy in the water. But they are relatively fast & roomy boats. Of course nobody at the yacht club will be impressed. If i have one suggestion, that is to keep the weight down. Lots of people are tearing up their cars and especially their trannies & brakes trying to tow boats that are 102% of their vehicles tow capacity. You're far better off at about 75% or less. Remember too that trailer maintenance is one of the trade-offs of not having to pay for a slip... Fresh Breezes- Doug King Here is a list of other trailerable boats in the size range you're looking. There are MANY more out there. Morgan 24 Morgan, Charles 24.5 21.0 8.0 2.8/6 MONO-K/CB Sloop 5,000 1,900 310 Windrose 25 24.7 22.1 7.8 6.3 MONO Sloop 2,500 600 228 Helms 25 Windley, Stuart 24.9 21.5 8.0 1.7/6 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,950 1,650 270 MacGregor 25 MacGregor 24.9 22.8 7.9 1.5'/5' MONO-SwK Sloop-Fr 2,100 625 314 B-25 Bailey 25.0 21.3 8.3 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,000 800 273 Elliott 770 Elliott 25.0 23.6 8.2 1'7"/5'8" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,400 850 320 Dehler 25 Van DeStadt 25.0 19.5 8.2 1.5/4.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop 3,031 1,553 278 Bremer 25 BREMER 25.0 22.5 8.0 2.5/6.2 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 3,800 1,600 308 CATALINA 25 Butler, Frank 25.0 22.3 8.0 2.1 / 5.1 MONO-SwK Sloop-MH 4,550 1,200 270 Morgan 25 Morgan, Charles 25.0 21.5 8.0 2.8/6.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 5,000 1,900 310 ENSENADA 25 Hankinson 25.2 22.2 7.9 2.2 MONO-CB SLOOP 3,000 1,200 278 Skimmer 25 Parker 25.4 24.0 8.2 1'4"/3'10" MONO-CB Sloop-Gaff 3,800 1,000 375 Balboa 26 Hess 25.6 20.8 8.0 1.8'/5 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,600 1,200 293 CHRYSLER 26 Herreshoff, H 25.6 22.0 8.0 2.1 / 5.7 MONO SLOOP 4,200 1,925 277 South Coast 26 Metcalf/Monroe 25.8 23.3 1.8/3.8 MONO-DrK SLOOP 4,200 1,473 250 Etap 26 Van DeStadt 25.8 21.6 9.0 3.1/5.4 MONO-DrK Sloop 5,000 1,545 384 S2 7.9 G & S 25.9 21.7 9.0 1'8"/5'2" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 4,250 1,750 329 Kent Ranger 26 Richards, Ray 26.0 22.0 8.0 2.4/4.9 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 4,750 320 Nimble Kodiak Brewer 26.4 24.3 8.5 1'10"/4'4" MONO SLOOP 3,650 1,350 285 Tripp 26 Tripp, Bill 26.7 22.0 8.7 2/6 MONO Sloop-Fr 2,900 1,000 347 Seaward 25 Hake 26.8 22.2 8.3 2.1 MONO-WK Sloop-Fr 3,600 1,200 280 Sea Pearl 28 Herreshoff 27.8 24.6 8.0 1.6/5.5 MONO-CB Cat-Ketch 4,200 1,200 296 |
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What's your gross combination rating?
Could you carry the outboard in the tow vehicle to get back under your trailer limit, without overreaching your gross combo number? |
Swing keel 25
What's your gross combination rating?
Could you carry the outboard in the tow vehicle to get back under your trailer limit, without overreaching your gross combo number? |
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Thanks guys, I'll look at my gross vehicle rating when the wife comes home
from work. Good to see you back in action Chuck..in a saner environment. Gould 0738 wrote in message ... What's your gross combination rating? Could you carry the outboard in the tow vehicle to get back under your trailer limit, without overreaching your gross combo number? |
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Thanks guys, I'll look at my gross vehicle rating when the wife comes home
from work. Good to see you back in action Chuck..in a saner environment. Gould 0738 wrote in message ... What's your gross combination rating? Could you carry the outboard in the tow vehicle to get back under your trailer limit, without overreaching your gross combo number? |
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Doug,
Have gone thru most of your list and the Macgregor's layout is by far the most open I've seen in anything in that size range. I also like the weight and draft. Any idea how it sails? Merlin. "DSK" wrote in message ... MMC wrote: I'm looking to down size to a trailerable sailboat with a swing keel around 25'-27'. I will be sailing on the Indian River in FL and need a very shallow draft. I would also like to able to haul the boat without yard fees and maybe some trailer sailing and the vehicle I would use is a full size pickup with a V-6 so I need to be fairly conservative with weight. Any suggestions and personal experiences would be appreciated. My wife and I daysailed, weekended, and cruised, in a trailerable for over ten years. Often we went in company with fellow club members or friends with trailerable sailboats, so we got to see a lot in action. The boat that we chose was quite a bit smaller (19')for reasons of practicality. In the size range you're looking at, the most bang for the buck will be one of these: MacGregor 26 MacGregor LOA=25.8 LWL=23.8 Bm=7.9 Dr=1.2/5.3 MONO-WB Sloop-Fr Disp=2,850 Ballast=1,225 SA=236 They were built from about 1987 to 1995, and their biggest flaw is that they are bulky on land and tippy in the water. But they are relatively fast & roomy boats. Of course nobody at the yacht club will be impressed. If i have one suggestion, that is to keep the weight down. Lots of people are tearing up their cars and especially their trannies & brakes trying to tow boats that are 102% of their vehicles tow capacity. You're far better off at about 75% or less. Remember too that trailer maintenance is one of the trade-offs of not having to pay for a slip... Fresh Breezes- Doug King Here is a list of other trailerable boats in the size range you're looking. There are MANY more out there. Morgan 24 Morgan, Charles 24.5 21.0 8.0 2.8/6 MONO-K/CB Sloop 5,000 1,900 310 Windrose 25 24.7 22.1 7.8 6.3 MONO Sloop 2,500 600 228 Helms 25 Windley, Stuart 24.9 21.5 8.0 1.7/6 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,950 1,650 270 MacGregor 25 MacGregor 24.9 22.8 7.9 1.5'/5' MONO-SwK Sloop-Fr 2,100 625 314 B-25 Bailey 25.0 21.3 8.3 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,000 800 273 Elliott 770 Elliott 25.0 23.6 8.2 1'7"/5'8" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,400 850 320 Dehler 25 Van DeStadt 25.0 19.5 8.2 1.5/4.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop 3,031 1,553 278 Bremer 25 BREMER 25.0 22.5 8.0 2.5/6.2 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 3,800 1,600 308 CATALINA 25 Butler, Frank 25.0 22.3 8.0 2.1 / 5.1 MONO-SwK Sloop-MH 4,550 1,200 270 Morgan 25 Morgan, Charles 25.0 21.5 8.0 2.8/6.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 5,000 1,900 310 ENSENADA 25 Hankinson 25.2 22.2 7.9 2.2 MONO-CB SLOOP 3,000 1,200 278 Skimmer 25 Parker 25.4 24.0 8.2 1'4"/3'10" MONO-CB Sloop-Gaff 3,800 1,000 375 Balboa 26 Hess 25.6 20.8 8.0 1.8'/5 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,600 1,200 293 CHRYSLER 26 Herreshoff, H 25.6 22.0 8.0 2.1 / 5.7 MONO SLOOP 4,200 1,925 277 South Coast 26 Metcalf/Monroe 25.8 23.3 1.8/3.8 MONO-DrK SLOOP 4,200 1,473 250 Etap 26 Van DeStadt 25.8 21.6 9.0 3.1/5.4 MONO-DrK Sloop 5,000 1,545 384 S2 7.9 G & S 25.9 21.7 9.0 1'8"/5'2" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 4,250 1,750 329 Kent Ranger 26 Richards, Ray 26.0 22.0 8.0 2.4/4.9 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 4,750 320 Nimble Kodiak Brewer 26.4 24.3 8.5 1'10"/4'4" MONO SLOOP 3,650 1,350 285 Tripp 26 Tripp, Bill 26.7 22.0 8.7 2/6 MONO Sloop-Fr 2,900 1,000 347 Seaward 25 Hake 26.8 22.2 8.3 2.1 MONO-WK Sloop-Fr 3,600 1,200 280 Sea Pearl 28 Herreshoff 27.8 24.6 8.0 1.6/5.5 MONO-CB Cat-Ketch 4,200 1,200 296 |
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Doug,
Have gone thru most of your list and the Macgregor's layout is by far the most open I've seen in anything in that size range. I also like the weight and draft. Any idea how it sails? Merlin. "DSK" wrote in message ... MMC wrote: I'm looking to down size to a trailerable sailboat with a swing keel around 25'-27'. I will be sailing on the Indian River in FL and need a very shallow draft. I would also like to able to haul the boat without yard fees and maybe some trailer sailing and the vehicle I would use is a full size pickup with a V-6 so I need to be fairly conservative with weight. Any suggestions and personal experiences would be appreciated. My wife and I daysailed, weekended, and cruised, in a trailerable for over ten years. Often we went in company with fellow club members or friends with trailerable sailboats, so we got to see a lot in action. The boat that we chose was quite a bit smaller (19')for reasons of practicality. In the size range you're looking at, the most bang for the buck will be one of these: MacGregor 26 MacGregor LOA=25.8 LWL=23.8 Bm=7.9 Dr=1.2/5.3 MONO-WB Sloop-Fr Disp=2,850 Ballast=1,225 SA=236 They were built from about 1987 to 1995, and their biggest flaw is that they are bulky on land and tippy in the water. But they are relatively fast & roomy boats. Of course nobody at the yacht club will be impressed. If i have one suggestion, that is to keep the weight down. Lots of people are tearing up their cars and especially their trannies & brakes trying to tow boats that are 102% of their vehicles tow capacity. You're far better off at about 75% or less. Remember too that trailer maintenance is one of the trade-offs of not having to pay for a slip... Fresh Breezes- Doug King Here is a list of other trailerable boats in the size range you're looking. There are MANY more out there. Morgan 24 Morgan, Charles 24.5 21.0 8.0 2.8/6 MONO-K/CB Sloop 5,000 1,900 310 Windrose 25 24.7 22.1 7.8 6.3 MONO Sloop 2,500 600 228 Helms 25 Windley, Stuart 24.9 21.5 8.0 1.7/6 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,950 1,650 270 MacGregor 25 MacGregor 24.9 22.8 7.9 1.5'/5' MONO-SwK Sloop-Fr 2,100 625 314 B-25 Bailey 25.0 21.3 8.3 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,000 800 273 Elliott 770 Elliott 25.0 23.6 8.2 1'7"/5'8" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,400 850 320 Dehler 25 Van DeStadt 25.0 19.5 8.2 1.5/4.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop 3,031 1,553 278 Bremer 25 BREMER 25.0 22.5 8.0 2.5/6.2 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 3,800 1,600 308 CATALINA 25 Butler, Frank 25.0 22.3 8.0 2.1 / 5.1 MONO-SwK Sloop-MH 4,550 1,200 270 Morgan 25 Morgan, Charles 25.0 21.5 8.0 2.8/6.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 5,000 1,900 310 ENSENADA 25 Hankinson 25.2 22.2 7.9 2.2 MONO-CB SLOOP 3,000 1,200 278 Skimmer 25 Parker 25.4 24.0 8.2 1'4"/3'10" MONO-CB Sloop-Gaff 3,800 1,000 375 Balboa 26 Hess 25.6 20.8 8.0 1.8'/5 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,600 1,200 293 CHRYSLER 26 Herreshoff, H 25.6 22.0 8.0 2.1 / 5.7 MONO SLOOP 4,200 1,925 277 South Coast 26 Metcalf/Monroe 25.8 23.3 1.8/3.8 MONO-DrK SLOOP 4,200 1,473 250 Etap 26 Van DeStadt 25.8 21.6 9.0 3.1/5.4 MONO-DrK Sloop 5,000 1,545 384 S2 7.9 G & S 25.9 21.7 9.0 1'8"/5'2" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 4,250 1,750 329 Kent Ranger 26 Richards, Ray 26.0 22.0 8.0 2.4/4.9 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 4,750 320 Nimble Kodiak Brewer 26.4 24.3 8.5 1'10"/4'4" MONO SLOOP 3,650 1,350 285 Tripp 26 Tripp, Bill 26.7 22.0 8.7 2/6 MONO Sloop-Fr 2,900 1,000 347 Seaward 25 Hake 26.8 22.2 8.3 2.1 MONO-WK Sloop-Fr 3,600 1,200 280 Sea Pearl 28 Herreshoff 27.8 24.6 8.0 1.6/5.5 MONO-CB Cat-Ketch 4,200 1,200 296 |
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Neat design. Our last 3 boats have been cc's, I'll have to check these out.
Thanks, Merlin. "Gogarty" wrote in message ... In article , says... I'm looking to down size to a trailerable sailboat with a swing keel around 25'-27'. I will be sailing on the Indian River in FL and need a very shallow draft. I would also like to able to haul the boat without yard fees and maybe some trailer sailing and the vehicle I would use is a full size pickup with a V-6 so I need to be fairly conservative with weight. Any suggestions and personal experiences would be appreciated. Merlin. Dawson (or Parker-Dawson) 26, if you can find one. |
Swing keel 25
Neat design. Our last 3 boats have been cc's, I'll have to check these out.
Thanks, Merlin. "Gogarty" wrote in message ... In article , says... I'm looking to down size to a trailerable sailboat with a swing keel around 25'-27'. I will be sailing on the Indian River in FL and need a very shallow draft. I would also like to able to haul the boat without yard fees and maybe some trailer sailing and the vehicle I would use is a full size pickup with a V-6 so I need to be fairly conservative with weight. Any suggestions and personal experiences would be appreciated. Merlin. Dawson (or Parker-Dawson) 26, if you can find one. |
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MMC wrote:
Doug, Have gone thru most of your list and the Macgregor's layout is by far the most open I've seen in anything in that size range. I also like the weight and draft. Any idea how it sails? They're tender, but they're pretty fast. The older Mac 25 swing keel (as opposed to the Mac 26 water ballast... the older model, not the PowRsailR-X model) has a bit of reputation as a PHRF giant killer. It's heavier on the trailer though. Because they are shoal hulls and tender, they need to be depowered & footed off in heavy air. The crew also needs to get used to heeling! There are a couple of faster trailerables... harder to fnd though, and most of them are heavier. My pick would probably be the Evelyn 26 with the lifting bulb keel, or one of the small sportsboats (much commoner in Australia than over here though) designed by Farr or Jutson. Check out the B-25, Elliott 770, Kirby 24 (another rare bird), Tripp 26, one of the S2 trailerables, or the real cream of the crop, the Great Harbor 26 http://www.hankhinckley.com/26top.html Proof that you can in fact have it all.... it just costs more! Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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MMC wrote:
Doug, Have gone thru most of your list and the Macgregor's layout is by far the most open I've seen in anything in that size range. I also like the weight and draft. Any idea how it sails? They're tender, but they're pretty fast. The older Mac 25 swing keel (as opposed to the Mac 26 water ballast... the older model, not the PowRsailR-X model) has a bit of reputation as a PHRF giant killer. It's heavier on the trailer though. Because they are shoal hulls and tender, they need to be depowered & footed off in heavy air. The crew also needs to get used to heeling! There are a couple of faster trailerables... harder to fnd though, and most of them are heavier. My pick would probably be the Evelyn 26 with the lifting bulb keel, or one of the small sportsboats (much commoner in Australia than over here though) designed by Farr or Jutson. Check out the B-25, Elliott 770, Kirby 24 (another rare bird), Tripp 26, one of the S2 trailerables, or the real cream of the crop, the Great Harbor 26 http://www.hankhinckley.com/26top.html Proof that you can in fact have it all.... it just costs more! Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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In article ,
says... Neat design. Our last 3 boats have been cc's, I'll have to check these out. Thanks, Merlin. In article , says... Neat design. Our last 3 boats have been cc's, I'll have to check these out. Thanks, Merlin. It is a lovely boat. It was our first boat, with one-cylinder Yanmar diesel and iron swing keel. Originally sold with a trailer. That center cockpit design made for marvelous privacy if you were only a couple or had other people or chuildren on board for a few days. We sold ours to a man in Washington state who had a trailer special built and dragged it all the way from Washinton to New York in February. Then he dragged her to the Gulf to sail, for awhile then back to Washington where the boat is now. We have lost touch with the buyer. There also used to be a web site devoted to the boat but it has gone belly up, I think. The boat came as both a sloop and a ketch. As Dawsons, the boats were built in Las Vegas, Nevada. Parker bought the molds and produced Parker-Dawsons in Florida and then in Nausset, Mass. They got too costly and he sold out to Nausett Marine, which built a very few as the Nausset 26. I saw a new one -- the last one, I guess -- for sail at Nausset some years ago. Our present boat looks like the Dawson's mother. It's an O'Day 37 CC sloop. |
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Matt, trucks have 2 brakes per axle, just like any car has, yes
they're bigger, but no bazoos anywhere. That is why , when loaded heavy it takes 10 times the stopping distance compared to a car. Same thing when towing a boat. BTW, 80,000# is normal legal limit, however you can haul up to 117,500# legally with the same amount of brakes. And most have 400 + hp. these days. Scott Vernon Matt Colie wrote You know those 70+foot long 75,000# 18 wheel trucks that carry everything? They have brakes out the bazoo, they watch their balance by the axle and most are less than 400HP - think about it. |
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Matt, trucks have 2 brakes per axle, just like any car has, yes
they're bigger, but no bazoos anywhere. That is why , when loaded heavy it takes 10 times the stopping distance compared to a car. Same thing when towing a boat. BTW, 80,000# is normal legal limit, however you can haul up to 117,500# legally with the same amount of brakes. And most have 400 + hp. these days. Scott Vernon Matt Colie wrote You know those 70+foot long 75,000# 18 wheel trucks that carry everything? They have brakes out the bazoo, they watch their balance by the axle and most are less than 400HP - think about it. |
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