Catamaran bridgedeck clearance
 

I'm considering buying a 36' Jaguar Catamaran.
My major concern is that the bridgedeck clearance appears to be 21' at
the stern. Does anyone have any experience with wether this is a
problem?

I know it is low, but is it too low? Is it ok for a 36' cat?

Thanks
Andrew

Catamaran bridgedeck clearance
 

atjb wrote:
I'm considering buying a 36' Jaguar Catamaran.
My major concern is that the bridgedeck clearance appears to be 21' at
the stern. Does anyone have any experience with wether this is a
problem?

21', I'd say she'd be a top heavy. ;-)

Cheers
Marty

Catamaran bridgedeck clearance
 

On Jan 16, 3:24 pm, Marty wrote:
atjb wrote:
I'm considering buying a 36' Jaguar Catamaran.
My major concern is that the bridgedeck clearance appears to be 21' ...

21', I'd say she'd be a top heavy. ;-) ...

Hmmm, I'm just guessing that's 21" (about half a meter). :) It's
certainly a little on the low side, but since this design is neither
super close winded nor super fast it is probably adequate if your
service is similar the Caribbean Charter trade. It wouldn't be my
first choice for a high lat, upwind passage. If you are serious about
the boat and intend to do something different with it I strongly
recommend you contact the designer and discuss your plans with him. A
couple hours of consultation fees could provide a lot of insight.

-- Tom.

Catamaran bridgedeck clearance
 

On Jan 16, 4:14 pm, Scott Sexton wrote:
... it looks like it has a width of 21' ...

Good point.

This cruising world article (http://tinyurl.com/2ssllf) mentions that
the boat had a particular problem with bridge deck pounding. It isn't
a very flattering description of the boat which is worrying given CW's
tendency to go easy on its advertisers...

Here's the relevant section: quote on

Continuing the day's import theme, the next boat on the list was the
Jaguar 36. The nominating team, including the co-authors of this
story, felt it was an interesting addition to the expanding market of
cruising catamarans. But the judges couldn't have disagreed more
strongly.

"I looked at the price [$230,000] and thought we might have a Best
Value from the multihull class," said Lee. "But no matter what the
relative cost, a value boat still has to be a good boat. Layout-wise,
you had to walk through a head to get to a stateroom, and that's
faulty no matter how good the workmanship is. And it was the only cat
we sailed that had underwing pounding."

"I saw delaminated wood and thin fiberglass laminates," said Sherman.
"In my opinion, the build quality on this vessel was very low."

quote off



-- Tom.

Catamaran bridgedeck clearance
 

atjb wrote:
I'm considering buying a 36' Jaguar Catamaran.
My major concern is that the bridgedeck clearance appears to be 21' at
the stern. Does anyone have any experience with wether this is a
problem?

I know it is low, but is it too low? Is it ok for a 36' cat?

Thanks
Andrew


I think the builders (it used to be Wildcat 35' but I think they
changed the name to hide it after the "Bumfuzzle" fiasco made them
look like total crooks) went out of business.

http://www.bumfuzzle.com/Pages/Misce...%20Repair.html

I've seen them at a boat show, and the quality was not that good.

21" is pretty low and it seems to be a common problem with so many
South African cats. If you're only coastal cruising it may be o.k.

I wouldn't buy one of them.

Evan Gatehouse

Catamaran bridgedeck clearance
 

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:45:49 -0800 (PST), atjb
wrote:

I'm considering buying a 36' Jaguar Catamaran.
My major concern is that the bridgedeck clearance appears to be 21' at
the stern. Does anyone have any experience with wether this is a
problem?

I know it is low, but is it too low? Is it ok for a 36' cat?

This thread has some comments by a current owner.
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ats-10259.html

You will find suggestions that the wide beam seems to somewhat
ameliorate pounding. The owner in the thread above says a few degrees
course correction can end it when conditions demand that.
Reading a bit about the Wildcat/Jaguar in various forums you will find
they come in different configurations, and some are head forward,
contrary to one review seen in this thread.
Quality of construction is likewise sometimes disputed, but there
seems to be a general agreement that some weren't built up to snuff.
For any boat purchase, a survey by a good surveyor is essential.
Most who have been aboard one have very positive comments about the
layout, spaciousness and "feel."
The owner in the thread above has no problem with sailing qualities.
They are to some eyes a very attractive boat, and likewise attractive
in price.
The bumfuzzle journals have an account about their problems with
delamination, which I attribute to them getting a poorly fiber glassed
boat, but after it was repaired in NZ it served them well. It may
well be a bargain is it's still for sale.
Being a firm believer that a well-fixed defect is a better bet than an
undetected defect, I would not be scared off.
You're always rolling the dice to some degree when you buy something
with the complexities of such a cat, no matter how much you do to
ensure the dice aren't loaded.
BTW, just last night my daughter called that she was at an accident
scene, where she struck a Mercedes with her Mitsu Eclipse.
He got a ticket, and was towed away with a broken front suspension -
maybe a snapped ball joint. She drove home with a cosmetic-type
scratch on her bumper.
Now you can make all kinds of statements about this incident, but the
only thing I'll say is this:
Larry, when plying around in your fry-oil fueled Merc, keep an eye out
for those little ****boxes. They'll take you down man, they'll take
you down.

--Vic

Catamaran bridgedeck clearance
 

On Jan 17, 7:20 am, Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:45:49 -0800 (PST), atjb
wrote:

I'm considering buying a 36' Jaguar Catamaran.
My major concern is that the bridgedeck clearance appears to be 21' at
the stern. Does anyone have any experience with wether this is a
problem?

I know it is low, but is it too low? Is it ok for a 36' cat?

This thread has some comments by a current owner.http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ats-10259.html

You will find suggestions that the wide beam seems to somewhat
ameliorate pounding. The owner in the thread above says a few degrees
course correction can end it when conditions demand that.
Reading a bit about the Wildcat/Jaguar in various forums you will find
they come in different configurations, and some are head forward,
contrary to one review seen in this thread.
Quality of construction is likewise sometimes disputed, but there
seems to be a general agreement that some weren't built up to snuff.
For any boat purchase, a survey by a good surveyor is essential.
Most who have been aboard one have very positive comments about the
layout, spaciousness and "feel."
The owner in the thread above has no problem with sailing qualities.
They are to some eyes a very attractive boat, and likewise attractive
in price.
The bumfuzzle journals have an account about their problems with
delamination, which I attribute to them getting a poorly fiber glassed
boat, but after it was repaired in NZ it served them well. It may
well be a bargain is it's still for sale.
Being a firm believer that a well-fixed defect is a better bet than an
undetected defect, I would not be scared off.
You're always rolling the dice to some degree when you buy something
with the complexities of such a cat, no matter how much you do to
ensure the dice aren't loaded.
BTW, just last night my daughter called that she was at an accident
scene, where she struck a Mercedes with her Mitsu Eclipse.
He got a ticket, and was towed away with a broken front suspension -
maybe a snapped ball joint. She drove home with a cosmetic-type
scratch on her bumper.
Now you can make all kinds of statements about this incident, but the
only thing I'll say is this:
Larry, when plying around in your fry-oil fueled Merc, keep an eye out
for those little ****boxes. They'll take you down man, they'll take
you down.

--Vic

I saw one listed in texas for $249k,

jim
http://OneDesignTalk.com

Mercedes Topic Drift (was Catamaran bridge...)
 

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:20:06 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

...
BTW, just last night my daughter called that she was at an accident
scene, where she struck a Mercedes with her Mitsu Eclipse.
He got a ticket, and was towed away with a broken front suspension -
maybe a snapped ball joint. She drove home with a cosmetic-type
scratch on her bumper.
Now you can make all kinds of statements about this incident, but the
only thing I'll say is this:
Larry, when plying around in your fry-oil fueled Merc, keep an eye out
for those little ****boxes. They'll take you down man, they'll take
you down.

--Vic

Which reminds me: my kid was given a Mercedes and had me help him tow
it back from Dallas, until after a hundred miles or so, a suspension
joint gave way, and a wheel went to a curious angle. We consigned it
to a salvage yard, at that point....

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Mercedes Topic Drift (was Catamaran bridge...)
 

Brian Whatcott wrote in
:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:20:06 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

..
BTW, just last night my daughter called that she was at an accident
scene, where she struck a Mercedes with her Mitsu Eclipse.
He got a ticket, and was towed away with a broken front suspension -
maybe a snapped ball joint. She drove home with a cosmetic-type
scratch on her bumper.
Now you can make all kinds of statements about this incident, but the
only thing I'll say is this:
Larry, when plying around in your fry-oil fueled Merc, keep an eye out
for those little ****boxes. They'll take you down man, they'll take
you down.

--Vic

Which reminds me: my kid was given a Mercedes and had me help him tow
it back from Dallas, until after a hundred miles or so, a suspension
joint gave way, and a wheel went to a curious angle. We consigned it
to a salvage yard, at that point....

Brian Whatcott Altus OK


Ah, too bad. The ball joint simply needed a simple replacement. The
parts are cheap and it's not an expensive job. Mercedes cars are made
to repair, not scrap. Germans wouldn't have it any other way. I've
replaced mine....BEFORE they got so loose they fell apart.

As to the little ****boxes, one of my favorite Mercedes cars was a 1974
240D, the first year of the 2.4L diesel in the body with the huge USA-
mandated bumpers. When she had 482,800 km on her clock, a womanstupid
pulled out of a bank right in front of her doing 45mph in a Ford Escort
FWD station wagon. I caught her just in front of the driver's door and
the old girl went down fighting, ripping the entire front end off the
Ford and sending its engine, transmission, front end, wheels and all
careening down the street into two more cars the womanstupid also had to
pay for. The 74 240D got her front end pushed into her engine block,
which is where the accident stopped and transferred the energy to the
Ford's parts. I was devastated as we had a big party planned for the
500,000 km Award badge from Mercedes to add to her 250,000 km badge. I
have it on a plaque with her grille-top emblem, which escaped the wreck
unscathed, mounted by a friend of mine in that business. This is no
where near the record of the "Longest Running Car on the Planet",
another Mercedes in the millions of miles range. This belongs to a
Greek taxi driver at 2.8M MILES!

Gunness Records refuses to recognize this and says an American (snobs)
holds the record in his 1966 Volvo with a mere 1.6M on its clock.

I have no idea how many miles is on my 1973 220D (also fryoil diesel) as
its clock only goes to 99999 and the number of times it has been around
from the first owner and myself cannot be determined. I've run it
around twice to 00000 since 1992 when I bought it from the original
owner, a retired Navy captain who was a ship engineer. He had tears in
his eyes selling it to me because his wife insisted he get it out of her
garage where it lived since 1972....when he bought it new, delivered to
his door by Langston Motors, the local Mercedes dealer in 1972. It's
sticker says $7684, nicely loaded, but I also have the letter from the
dealer telling Captain McCane to have his check for $6,250 ready to
present to the delivery salesman....(c; I paid him $2,800 for it 20
years later in fine condition. I restored its engine (worn rings only)
and restored its body. It remains my favorite car, one of the only two-
tone Mercedes sedans ever delivered here....Burgundy with a creme white
top...the original colors. It needs some more body work caused by a
leaky windscreen seal, a good washing and polishing and a new driver's
carpet, at the moment. Maybe in spring....(c;

Mercedes Topic Drift (was Catamaran bridge...)
 

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:56:00 +0000, larry wrote:

Brian Whatcott wrote in
:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:20:06 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

..
BTW, just last night my daughter called that she was at an accident
scene, where she struck a Mercedes with her Mitsu Eclipse.
He got a ticket, and was towed away with a broken front suspension -
maybe a snapped ball joint. She drove home with a cosmetic-type
scratch on her bumper.
Now you can make all kinds of statements about this incident, but the
only thing I'll say is this:
Larry, when plying around in your fry-oil fueled Merc, keep an eye out
for those little ****boxes. They'll take you down man, they'll take
you down.

--Vic

Which reminds me: my kid was given a Mercedes and had me help him tow
it back from Dallas, until after a hundred miles or so, a suspension
joint gave way, and a wheel went to a curious angle. We consigned it
to a salvage yard, at that point....

Brian Whatcott Altus OK


Ah, too bad. The ball joint simply needed a simple replacement. The
parts are cheap and it's not an expensive job. Mercedes cars are made
to repair, not scrap. Germans wouldn't have it any other way. I've
replaced mine....BEFORE they got so loose they fell apart.

Since the only car I ever had a ball joint break was VW squareback
with fairly low miles, I might agree the Germans make 'em to break.
I was lucky to being going past an empty bus stop at night, which
the car pulled itself into with a cock-eyed wheel. I did fix that
car, and continued to fix it, and fix it, and fix it.
To be fair, I think my daughter hit the Merc - a new big sedan -
directly on his turned wheel as he turned in front of her. She went
into him in ABS mode, and her airbag didn't even go off. Off course
maybe her ****box airbag doesn't even work.
I guess the reason I even mentioned this in a thread where somebody
asked about pounding on a particular cat, was to point out that
conventional wisdom isn't always correct, and digging in for actual
experience, and even gaining that experience yourself if need be, will
get you closer to the truth that is your truth. That's what makes
newsgroups and inet forums so valuable.
The car comment was a tangential and maybe clumsy analogy to searching
for the "right" boat, which in the end is a "personal" decision.
Now having said that, I hereby snip and discount all of Larry's
mythology about 1.6 million mile Mercs, and will continue to drive
Chevys.
Cause I know 'em and like 'em.

--Vic