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My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, for summer
cruising north from Port Townsend, WA, where we live, mainly if not entirely on the inside of Vancouver Island. Our price range is $8,000 - 12,000 We want a boat which has - solid construction - good stability - not too much heeling - adequate performance upwind - moves in light air We're narrowing our search down to boats within a reasonable distance, and I wonder if anyone has opinions on the relative merits of the following for this type of use Catalina 27 - 1987 San Juan 28 - 1978 O'Day 272LE -1987 Ericson 25+ -1976 Morgan 27 -1971 I mention the age as I think construction quality has varied over the years with some of these makers. Thanks in advance for any comments Richard |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:59:51 -0500, said: The canadian built CS27 (Canadian Sailcraft) fits your criteria and is considerably better built than most, or all, of the boats on your list. I'll second that. We looked at a lot of Catalinas and O'days before buying one. You may have a little trouble finding one in your stated price range, but they can be bought for that occasionally. That's what I was thinking... not sure what it's like in the east, but on the left coast they're a bit more pricey than the range indicated. Nice boats.. almost bought one. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Matt O'Toole" wrote in message
g... On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:50:30 -0800, wrote: My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, for summer cruising north from Port Townsend, WA, where we live, mainly if not entirely on the inside of Vancouver Island. Our price range is $8,000 - 12,000 We want a boat which has - solid construction - good stability - not too much heeling - adequate performance upwind - moves in light air We're narrowing our search down to boats within a reasonable distance, and I wonder if anyone has opinions on the relative merits of the following for this type of use Catalina 27 - 1987 San Juan 28 - 1978 O'Day 272LE -1987 Ericson 25+ -1976 Morgan 27 -1971 I've always liked the Cal 2-27, which I used to rent occasionally. It does sail well in light air. It's as least as solidly constructed as the others, if not as "nice" inside. Here's a page about it: http://pages.sssnet.com/go2erie/cal227.htm With luck you'll find one with a good inboard diesel at a good price. The Newport 27 and 28 might be worth looking at too. Matt O. I used to have a Cal 20... lapworth boats are darn good in general. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Jan 10, 8:59 am, wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:50:30 -0800 (PST), " wrote: My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, for summer cruising north from Port Townsend, WA, where we live, mainly if not entirely on the inside of Vancouver Island. Our price range is $8,000 - 12,000 We want a boat which has - solid construction - good stability - not too much heeling - adequate performance upwind - moves in light air We're narrowing our search down to boats within a reasonable distance, and I wonder if anyone has opinions on the relative merits of the following for this type of use Catalina 27 - 1987 San Juan 28 - 1978 O'Day 272LE -1987 Ericson 25+ -1976 Morgan 27 -1971 I mention the age as I think construction quality has varied over the years with some of these makers. Thanks in advance for any comments Richard The canadian built CS27 (Canadian Sailcraft) fits your criteria and is considerably better built than most, or all, of the boats on your list. The CS is an eastern boat, hard to find out West, and rarely if ever for under $12K. Much better to look at the Cal line: you could probably find a Cal 27 in your range, and I bought a Crown 28 for $12K last fall. They're WAY better built than the Catalina/Oday/Newport, sail very well especially in heavier weather (but still good in light air: after all, they're West-coast boats!) Ericsons are strange: the 26, 28, 29, etc are FAST, but the 27 is a slow full-keel boat. Another one to check out is the C&Cs: I don't personally like them for some unknown reason, but they're quite well-built and very fast. Be careful when comparing them though: the C&C 27 came in about 5 "marks" (Mk I, Mk II, etc) and they're quite different from each other. Also most have been raced, as in "run hard and put away wet" and they show it. Also: plan on spending at least $5K or so on ANY boat that age - there's just things that go wrong that need fixing... Finally, I'll say a Catalina 27 would probably do you just fine, just as it has for thousands of couples and families over the last 30 years. druid http://www.bcboatnet.org |
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"druid" wrote in message
... On Jan 10, 8:59 am, wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:50:30 -0800 (PST), " wrote: My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, for summer cruising north from Port Townsend, WA, where we live, mainly if not entirely on the inside of Vancouver Island. Our price range is $8,000 - 12,000 We want a boat which has - solid construction - good stability - not too much heeling - adequate performance upwind - moves in light air We're narrowing our search down to boats within a reasonable distance, and I wonder if anyone has opinions on the relative merits of the following for this type of use Catalina 27 - 1987 San Juan 28 - 1978 O'Day 272LE -1987 Ericson 25+ -1976 Morgan 27 -1971 I mention the age as I think construction quality has varied over the years with some of these makers. Thanks in advance for any comments Richard The canadian built CS27 (Canadian Sailcraft) fits your criteria and is considerably better built than most, or all, of the boats on your list. Another one to check out is the C&Cs: I don't personally like them for some unknown reason, but they're quite well-built and very fast. Be careful when comparing them though: the C&C 27 came in about 5 "marks" (Mk I, Mk II, etc) and they're quite different from each other. Also most have been raced, as in "run hard and put away wet" and they show it. Really? I've sailed on lots of them, I do like them... well-built, sail well, look decent. I'd be interested in your reasons if you can id them. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Think about an early [mid 60's] Islander 29'. "Hell for stout", safe,
easy motion in a seaway, no spongy balsa core decks, and gives you the option of going off-shore if you ever decide you want to. Mine's gone "all the way around" [westabout]. T. Sanders S/V Cimba On Jan 10, 8:50*am, " wrote: My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, *for summer cruising north from Port Townsend, WA, where we live, mainly if not entirely on the inside of Vancouver Island. Our price range is $8,000 - 12,000 We want a boat which has * * * * * * - solid construction * * * * * * - good stability - not too much heeling * * * * * * - adequate performance upwind * * * * * * - *moves in light air We're narrowing our search down to boats within a reasonable distance, and I wonder if anyone has opinions on the relative merits of the following for this type of use Catalina 27 * - 1987 San Juan 28 - 1978 O'Day 272LE -1987 Ericson 25+ * -1976 Morgan 27 * * -1971 * * * * I mention the age as I think construction quality has varied over the years with some of these makers. * * * * * * * * * * Thanks in advance for any comments * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Richard |
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On Jan 10, 8:50*am, "
wrote: My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, *for summer cruising north from Port Townsend, WA, Richard DId yo go here and look at Mahina's list?? http://www.mahina.com/boats.html Bob |
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Bob wrote:
On Jan 10, 8:50 am, " wrote: My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, for summer cruising north from Port Townsend, WA, Richard DId yo go here and look at Mahina's list?? http://www.mahina.com/boats.html Bob Don't need an offshore cruiser for what they will be doing. They will want something that moves in light air. Gordon |
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On Jan 10, 4:35*pm, Gordon wrote:
*for summer cruising north from Port Townsend, WA, Richard * *Don't need an offshore cruiser for what they will be doing. They will want something that moves in light air. * Gordon Humm, Strait of Juan De Fuca and inside Vancouver Island..... that can get sorta big out there at times. i guess they dont plan on venturing more than one mile from any dock. that sounds fun though. Head out, zip around, then back to the dock befor it get too big or too dark. Heck.... I even herd hear a few months ago a Mcgreggor was a ocean crossing capable sailboat. They go fast and cheep.... Bob |
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Bob wrote:
On Jan 10, 8:50 am, " wrote: My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, for summer cruising north from Port Townsend, WA, Richard DId yo go here and look at Mahina's list?? http://www.mahina.com/boats.html Bob I noticed he recommended 2 HP per 1000 pounds. |
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:29:31 -0600, cavelamb himself
wrote: I noticed he recommended 2 HP per 1000 pounds. That's about right for a sailboat in my experience, more for a trawler of course. |
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Alos take a look at a Paceship 26 (PY 26) They are solidly built
roomy, sail well and available in your price range. Check out www.paceship.org which lists a few owners on the west coast. I have owned my current Py26 for about 10 years now and am entirely happy with it. We cruise Lake Ontario and the St. Lawrence river. Cheers Matt |
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On Jan 10, 4:35 pm, Gordon wrote:
Bob wrote: On Jan 10, 8:50 am, " wrote: My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, for summer cruising north from Port Townsend, WA, Richard DId yo go here and look at Mahina's list?? http://www.mahina.com/boats.html Bob Don't need an offshore cruiser for what they will be doing. They will want something that moves in light air. Gordon Yes, I did, and thanks for the tip. However Gordon is right - in the summer here the problem is more often too little wind than too much. At the same time you do need a boat that will handle some weather. Richard |
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"RJisherw... wrote:
My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, for summer cruising north from Port Townsend, WA, where we live, mainly if not entirely on the inside of Vancouver Island. Our price range is $8,000 - 12,000 Very nice sailing & cruising grounds. We want a boat which has - solid construction - good stability - not too much heeling - adequate performance upwind - moves in light air You realize of course that your priorities are more or less in direct conflict. Most ehavily built boats are ... well, heavy... which means they will not sail well in light air. Also (because they are heavy) they have a lower ballast-displacement ratio whcih means that they will have less stability in the lower ranges of heel (although may have much greater reserve stability). We're narrowing our search down to boats within a reasonable distance, and I wonder if anyone has opinions on the relative merits of the following for this type of use Catalina 27 - 1987 A nice enough boat. Relatively inexpensive, will be relatively easy to sell, and guaranteed to have one available nearby. Also you will have a lot of fellow Cat27 owners to socialize with. San Juan 28 - 1978 IMHO most of the mass-produced boats are built within the same range of cost-cutting construction foibles, but personally I'd rate San Juans (Clark) at the lower end of the scale. They're fast boats for their era though. O'Day 272LE -1987 A bit roomier & possibly more initial stability; I happen to like the Hunt designs... definitely take a look at the Paceship 26 (as another poster recommended) which was done by the same office, a bit earlier. Ericson 25+ -1976 A bit small, but better built. Ericsons have a great reputation for being able to sail hard and not come apart; however at this age you may still have tabbing & core issues no matter who built it. Morgan 27 -1971 I happen to really like these boats, although they are not as roomy as more modern boats. Solidly built, pretty good performance in light & heavy air (I've raced one in 30+), good workable cockpit & deck layout too. Another poster mentioned the Contessa 26 which is a well built (as are all Contessas) little boat but rather cramped by modern standards. I mention the age as I think construction quality has varied over the years with some of these makers. In the age that you're looking, care taken of the boat will far, far outweigh anything the original builder did. As I mentioned earlier, most mass-produced boats have a tendency to use spit & pasteboard anywhere they think people won't find it. The debate about whether Cals or Islanders or Catalinas or Hunters or Lancers or San Juans or Odays or Irwins etc etc are "built better" is really just something to argue if you don't have anything better to do. IMHO older C&Cs, older Morgans, Pearsons, & Ericsons are a cut above the rest, but then there are also genuinely well built boats like the Sabres, Rivals, etc etc if you are willing to look and/or go a little further afield. Too bad Oyster & Nautic never made a boat in this size range ;) Whether or not it's worth the time & trouble to look harder, given the way you plan to use the boat, is your own call. My advice- pick the boat that has had the best care and the upgrades closest to what you'd pick. Avoid boats with all OEM equipment no matter how low the price... it's likely they have also never had their deck hardware rebedded (etc etc) and you can spend a fortune on sails & line alone. A qucik gander at YachtWorld revealed these which might be worth a look http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=1804311 http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=1798405 Good hunting! Doug King |
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wrote:
On Jan 10, 4:35 pm, Gordon wrote: Bob wrote: On Jan 10, 8:50 am, " wrote: My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, for summer cruising north from Port Townsend, WA, Richard DId yo go here and look at Mahina's list?? http://www.mahina.com/boats.html Bob Don't need an offshore cruiser for what they will be doing. They will want something that moves in light air. Gordon Yes, I did, and thanks for the tip. However Gordon is right - in the summer here the problem is more often too little wind than too much. At the same time you do need a boat that will handle some weather. Richard Actually, the best is a 27' Cascade! BTW Did I mention I have one for sale at Pt Angeles? ;) Gordon |
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On Jan 11, 10:31*am, "
wrote: On Jan 10, 4:35 pm, Gordon wrote: Bob wrote: On Jan 10, 8:50 am, " wrote: My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, *for summer cruising north from Port Townsend, WA, Richard DId yo go here and look at Mahina's list?? http://www.mahina.com/boats.html Bob * *Don't need an offshore cruiser for what they will be doing. They will want something that moves in light air. * Gordon Yes, I did, and thanks for the tip. However Gordon is right - in the summer here the problem is more often too little wind than too much. At the same time you do need a boat that will handle some weather. * * * * * * * * * * Richard- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - At the risk of disagreeing and appearing partisan. The summer here in Montreal suffers from chronic light air. With a 150 or 160% roller furling genny the boat moves along quite well. When the wind picks up, that's when the boat really shines. With a reef in the main and a small foresail (or a partially furled genny) she will put her shoulder into it and go. I've been out in lake Ontario in 10 foot waves and winds at 20 - 25 with gusts higher without my wife being worried (too much GRIN). The boat is very much over built and will take a lot. What you will hear is that the boat is underpowered wiht an 8hp diesel but I have not found this to be a real issue. Our lake gets a nasty short chop going and we manage to power through it quite well. The other thing that keeps nagging at the back of my mind ins the rudder. It seems exposed at the back of the boat and I sometimes wonder about it. On th eother hand we have had no problems during the ten years we have owner our boat and neither did my dad with his. If you wish. contact me directly at Matt dot koch @ sympatico dot ca and we can talk a bot off line. Cheers Matt |
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On Jan 10, 8:50*am, "
wrote: My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, *for summer cruising north from Port Townsend, WA, where we live, mainly if not entirely on the inside of Vancouver Island. Our price range is $8,000 - 12,000 We want a boat which has * * * * * * - solid construction * * * * * * - good stability - not too much heeling * * * * * * - adequate performance upwind * * * * * * - *moves in light air We're narrowing our search down to boats within a reasonable distance, and I wonder if anyone has opinions on the relative merits of the following for this type of use Catalina 27 * - 1987 San Juan 28 - 1978 O'Day 272LE -1987 Ericson 25+ * -1976 Morgan 27 * * -1971 * * * * I mention the age as I think construction quality has varied over the years with some of these makers. * * * * * * * * * * Thanks in advance for any comments * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Richard Richard: Look at the Cal 2-29 as your first choice if you can afford it. It will sail in light air faster than the Catalina or Cal 2-27. I've owned both Cals and older Catalinas and I'd say the Cal's have better details- making them more sailor friendly. I believe in general the Cals are slightly better than the Catalinas. The older Catlinas are available in two styles - galley along one side and galley at the port rear of the cabin. You should decide which you like better. I too cruise Puget Sound. If you go with the Catalina 27, definately make sure you get a tall rig for sailing in islands - where the winds are often light during summer. Look at the PHRF base ratings of the boats to get an idea of their sailing ability. |
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On 2008-01-10 11:50:30 -0500, "
said: My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, for summer cruising north from Port Townsend, WA, where we live, mainly if not entirely on the inside of Vancouver Island. Our price range is $8,000 - 12,000 We want a boat which has - solid construction - good stability - not too much heeling - adequate performance upwind - moves in light air We're narrowing our search down to boats within a reasonable distance, and I wonder if anyone has opinions on the relative merits of the following for this type of use Catalina 27 - 1987 San Juan 28 - 1978 O'Day 272LE -1987 Ericson 25+ -1976 Morgan 27 -1971 I mention the age as I think construction quality has varied over the years with some of these makers. Don't ignore the various Tanzers in that size range. AND pay attention to each boat's support group(s), as a good one can help you find/fix everything. See http://www.tanzer22.com/ and http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tanzer/ for all things Tanzer. And another's search for the perfect boat: http://cruisenews.net/ -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On Jan 10, 1:48 pm, Alan Gomes wrote:
druid wrote: On Jan 10, 8:59 am, wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:50:30 -0800 (PST), " wrote: My wife and I are still looking for a 27 foot used boat, for summer cruising north from Port Townsend, WA, where we live, mainly if not entirely on the inside of Vancouver Island. Our price range is $8,000 - 12,000 We want a boat which has - solid construction - good stability - not too much heeling - adequate performance upwind - moves in light air We're narrowing our search down to boats within a reasonable distance, and I wonder if anyone has opinions on the relative merits of the following for this type of use Catalina 27 - 1987 San Juan 28 - 1978 O'Day 272LE -1987 Ericson 25+ -1976 Morgan 27 -1971 I mention the age as I think construction quality has varied over the years with some of these makers. Thanks in advance for any comments Richard The canadian built CS27 (Canadian Sailcraft) fits your criteria and is considerably better built than most, or all, of the boats on your list. The CS is an eastern boat, hard to find out West, and rarely if ever for under $12K. Much better to look at the Cal line: you could probably find a Cal 27 in your range, and I bought a Crown 28 for $12K last fall. They're WAY better built than the Catalina/Oday/Newport, sail very well especially in heavier weather (but still good in light air: after all, they're West-coast boats!) Ericsons are strange: the 26, 28, 29, etc are FAST, but the 27 is a slow full-keel boat. Another one to check out is the C&Cs: I don't personally like them for some unknown reason, but they're quite well-built and very fast. Be careful when comparing them though: the C&C 27 came in about 5 "marks" (Mk I, Mk II, etc) and they're quite different from each other. Also most have been raced, as in "run hard and put away wet" and they show it. Also: plan on spending at least $5K or so on ANY boat that age - there's just things that go wrong that need fixing... Finally, I'll say a Catalina 27 would probably do you just fine, just as it has for thousands of couples and families over the last 30 years. druid http://www.bcboatnet.org I think Cal boats are very nice (having owned a few of them), and they sail quite well. I would NOT say, though, that they are "WAY better built" than a Catalina. Both are mass production boats, built to a price, decent but not amazing in quality. ... A few case-in-points: the V-berth in my Catalina 36 was 1/4" fibreglass - on my Cal 25 it was 3/4" ply with fg over. The mast-step on my Crown 28 is 6" laminated hardwood (teak?) 4 ft long athwartships. On the Catalina it was a 6" x 6" chunk of fg. The Catalina (even the 36) had quite a bit of chopper-gun fg in the lockers, etc. - the Crown is all woven hand-laid fg. We chartered a Catalina 27 last summer, before I bought the Crown. The difference was phenomenal. But of course you're right that at that age, the overall condition of the boat is much more dependent of how it was treated for its lifetime than construction quality. But the point is, most 30-year-old Catalinas are, well, "fixer-uppers", where most Crown 28's are still going strong, and probably will for another 30 years. As for the other comments: The Cascade seems like a good boat, but hard to find data on it. The Albin Vega is too slow for this area, and a McGreggor is WAY too lightly-built (having owned a Venture 22 many years ago...). As for the C&C's - I think it's their lack of soul, I donno... A couple other GTE ("get there eventually") boats that are popular around here are the Columbia and the Grampian (the 28 is nice if you can find one) They're well-built, comfortable, and, well, will get you there... eventually ;) druid http://www.bcboatnet.org |
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"druid" wrote in message
... On Jan 10, 1:48 pm, Alan Gomes wrote: druid wrote: As for the C&C's - I think it's their lack of soul, I donno... Wow... I always thought the opposite of them. Diff strokes for diff folks I guess. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Jan 13, 1:09 am, Alan Gomes wrote:
druid wrote: On Jan 10, 1:48 pm, Alan Gomes wrote: druid wrote: On Jan 10, 8:59 am, wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:50:30 -0800 (PST), " snip A few case-in-points: the V-berth in my Catalina 36 was 1/4" fibreglass - on my Cal 25 it was 3/4" ply with fg over. The mast-step on my Crown 28 is 6" laminated hardwood (teak?) 4 ft long athwartships. On the Catalina it was a 6" x 6" chunk of fg. The Catalina (even the 36) had quite a bit of chopper-gun fg in the lockers, etc. - the Crown is all woven hand-laid fg. Dear "Druid," Thanks for your observations. And, as I said, I do like Cal boats, especially the way they sail. Lapworth is probably my favorite designer. But considering the Cal/Catalina comparison, the Cal boats are not uniformly better. Cal used a mild steel beam that runs athwartships to support the compression of the mast. I'm aware of that beam, and was the reason I didn't look at Cal 29's. On the Crown 28, it's a huge laminated-wood beam, as I said. No rust (and no rot). Comparing overall contruction, I put Catalinas, Odays, Newports, Sunstars, Hunters, etc. in pretty much "the same boat", but Cals go one level higher, similar to Columbia or Grampian (but faster! ;) ). I've been told there are other boats with MUCH better design standards, but I've never seen one. Strangely, the Cals do seem to have ONE design flaw, just so that people can point at it and say "See? It's a crappy boat!". For the Cal-29, it's that stupid steel beam. For the Crown, somebody moved the mast 1ft back after they designed the interior, so there's a compression post just aft of the main bulkhead (Not as bad as the Goofy Solution Islander did!). And so on... But I stand by my impression that most Cals and Crowns are still in pretty good shape compared to Catalinas/Odays/Newports from the 70s. And that includes the ones that have been cruised to Hawaii and back. druid http://www.bcboatnet.org |
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Why haven't I seen mention of any Pearsons on this thread? Gordon |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:56:00 -0800, Alan Gomes wrote:
Cal used a mild steel beam that runs athwartships to support the compression of the mast. Steel is cheaper than corrosion proof aluminum, which, contrary to popular belief, is no lighter. The strength to weight of mild steel and common aluminum alloys is about the same. Aluminum would be bulkier, which means possibly stiffer. Of course, maybe you design for stiffness, and let strength take care of itself. Houses are that way: they hardly ever fall down, but quite a few are not quite stiff enough, and when the wind blows, the plaster cracks. Casady |
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On Jan 16, 4:07 pm, (Richard Casady)
wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:56:00 -0800, Alan Gomes wrote: Cal used a mild steel beam that runs athwartships to support the compression of the mast. Steel is cheaper than corrosion proof aluminum, which, contrary to popular belief, is no lighter. ... The problem isn't that they used mild steel. While not "yachty" there's no problem with the metal. The problem is that the beam is installed in such a way that it is impossible to inspect or repair. Now, 40 years, you can't see how wasted these beams are, but lots of rust falls off of them so they are suspect. It wouldn't have been any better if they'd built the beam out of ply, which would have been more typical. The issue is access and time... -- Tom. |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:26:06 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: On Jan 16, 4:07 pm, (Richard Casady) wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:56:00 -0800, Alan Gomes wrote: Cal used a mild steel beam that runs athwartships to support the compression of the mast. Steel is cheaper than corrosion proof aluminum, which, contrary to popular belief, is no lighter. ... The problem isn't that they used mild steel. While not "yachty" there's no problem with the metal. The problem is that the beam is installed in such a way that it is impossible to inspect or repair. Now, 40 years, you can't see how wasted these beams are, but lots of rust falls off of them so they are suspect. It wouldn't have been any better if they'd built the beam out of ply, which would have been more typical. The issue is access and time... =========== The steel beam on my old Cal-34 was galvanized as I recall and it was holding up fairly well when I sold it about 10 years ago. The boat, a 1968 model, is still going strong although it is no longer being raced. When I rerigged it as a frac in 1987 we built a custom mast step directly on top of the steel beam and got rid of the wood compression post under the deck. In addition, the new chain plates had lugs for tie rods which attached directly to each end of the beam. This created a very stiff structure which totally offloaded static rigging loads from the hull and deck. |
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On Jan 17, 11:55 am, Alan Gomes wrote:
... (My surveyor friend removed the bilge cover and smacked the liner; we could see the rust flake off.) Of course, we could not determine how badly it was rusted, but that in itself is part of the problem. ... I think that's the whole problem. I owned a 1960's Cal 36 that I loved and have since sold to a man who has restored her very nicely. I'm not dissing Cals at all. But, the steel beam in question was inside a box beam molded into the liner and under the main bulkhead. There was really no way to inspect it without tearing up the interior. -- Tom. |
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:51:26 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: But, the steel beam in question was inside a box beam molded into the liner and under the main bulkhead. There was really no way to inspect it without tearing up the interior. Since the box beam is mostly non-structural, you can cut an inspection window into the forward side (in the head), and cover it up with a "decorative" piece of teak. When we re-rigged my 34, I cut away about 6 inches of the box beam on each side, totally filled in the cavity around the steel beam with solid fiberglass, and capped it off with a custom stainless steel saddle which became the new mast step. |
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On Jan 17, 2:57 pm, Alan Gomes wrote:
... Yes...sigh! In fact, I've often thought that a Cal 36 would be the next (and probably last) boat I'd want to own. They are really sweet--like a mini-Cal 40. And they are (occasionally) on the market at reasonable prices. But the beam issue is a real turn off. ... I think Wayne is onto something good with his fix for this. It may be hard to justify money wise, but if you're in love... :) I assume you liked the boat otherwise, including how it sailed? ... Yes, I like the way she looked and she was always a joy to sail. She had a surprisingly good turn of speed all things considered and she was wonderfully mannerly and dry. She had a spade rudder but my standard reefing procedure was to drop the tiller walk up to mast, tuck in the reef and walk back to the tiller. She'd just steer herself. Certainly, the rudder didn't work at all in reverse, but I was able to get her in and out of a tight cross wind slip at the base of a valley with strong and gusty trades by myself routinely. I sold her because the man who approached me to buy her really wanted to put the time and money into her that she deserved and I was looking at an offshore boat for an extended cruise... She's been fixed up nicely and I have a new wonderful boat but I still have a very fond place in my heart for that Cal 36. -- Tom. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
The steel beam on my old Cal-34 was galvanized as I recall and it was holding up fairly well when I sold it about 10 years ago. The boat, a 1968 model, is still going strong although it is no longer being raced. I worked on a 40-something foot X-Yachts boat that had a massive galvanized steel beam structure crisscrossing right through the bilge area. Apparently they guarantee the boat can withstand up to an 8 knot collision against a rock with the keel without damage to the hull. A different boat I know the owner of ran into a rock with the keel at about 6 knots and nearly tore the bottom out - $85K damage to the hull. Maybe steel ain't so bad... Red |
27 Foot cruising sailboats
On Jan 13, 10:48 am, Gordon wrote:
Why haven't I seen mention of any Pearsons on this thread? Gordon Cuz Pearsons are East-coast boats - scarce as hen's teeth out here in the NW. (Same reason YOU've never heard of a Crown...) druid http://www.bcboatnet.org |
27 Foot cruising sailboats
"druid" wrote in message
... On Jan 13, 10:48 am, Gordon wrote: Why haven't I seen mention of any Pearsons on this thread? Gordon Cuz Pearsons are East-coast boats - scarce as hen's teeth out here in the NW. (Same reason YOU've never heard of a Crown...) druid http://www.bcboatnet.org They're not scarce in the SF bayarea. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
27 Foot cruising sailboats
On Jan 18, 10:03 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"druid" wrote in message ... On Jan 13, 10:48 am, Gordon wrote: Why haven't I seen mention of any Pearsons on this thread? Gordon Cuz Pearsons are East-coast boats - scarce as hen's teeth out here in the NW. (Same reason YOU've never heard of a Crown...) druid http://www.bcboatnet.org They're not scarce in the SF bayarea. The OP is in the Pac NW (as am I). I looked into buying a boat in CA and trucking it North - turned out despite the lower prices it just wasn't worth it. (And yes, I looked into SAILING it north - pretty much Universal Opinion on this board was I would be nuts to do so!) Nope - we've got lots of really nice boats up here, so we don't have to go to the ends of the earth to get one. druid http://www.bcboatnet.org |
27 Foot cruising sailboats
druid wrote:
On Jan 13, 10:48 am, Gordon wrote: Why haven't I seen mention of any Pearsons on this thread? Gordon Cuz Pearsons are East-coast boats - scarce as hen's teeth out here in the NW. (Same reason YOU've never heard of a Crown...) druid http://www.bcboatnet.org Maybe, maybe not. I know of 4 Pearsons (3 P365's and a 26) in the Port Angeles marina alone. There are probably more and none are for sale! Gordon |
27 Foot cruising sailboats
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Get a 30 ft boat. Double the room, easy to single hand if necessary, easy to find a dock when on cruise. Will have an inboard engine. Low cost to purchase, probably not much more than a 27, if you are patient, easy to sell when finished. I personally don't like them, but as a coastal cruiser, the Catalina 30 is probably the most popular boat out there. Lew |
27 Foot cruising sailboats
"druid" wrote in message
... On Jan 18, 10:03 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: "druid" wrote in message ... On Jan 13, 10:48 am, Gordon wrote: Why haven't I seen mention of any Pearsons on this thread? Gordon Cuz Pearsons are East-coast boats - scarce as hen's teeth out here in the NW. (Same reason YOU've never heard of a Crown...) druid http://www.bcboatnet.org They're not scarce in the SF bayarea. The OP is in the Pac NW (as am I). I looked into buying a boat in CA and trucking it North - turned out despite the lower prices it just wasn't worth it. (And yes, I looked into SAILING it north - pretty much Universal Opinion on this board was I would be nuts to do so!) Nope - we've got lots of really nice boats up here, so we don't have to go to the ends of the earth to get one. druid http://www.bcboatnet.org Well, it wouldn't have been totally nuts, just partially nuts. LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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