Mexico crime
 

http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt...8tvsnt80&.html
This article is about crime on the coast in northern Mexico against
Americans and other foreigners. Was wondering if the cruising grounds of
Mexico has any of these problems. Anyone been there that can shed a
little light?
Red

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Red wrote in
:

http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt...p-d8tvsnt80&.h
tml This article is about crime on the coast in northern Mexico
against Americans and other foreigners. Was wondering if the cruising
grounds of Mexico has any of these problems. Anyone been there that
can shed a little light?
Red


Is this still a problem? I thought Mexico sent most of its criminals into
the US across the Swiss cheeze border?

Larry
--
As the price of Monopoly money rises, at some point it will equal
Federal Reserve Private Bank fake banknotes in value!

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Larry,, the Mexicans are only here to do the work that Americans won't do ..
like:

Murder, rape, drunk driving .. etc.

=============================
"Larry" wrote in message
...
Red wrote in
:

http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt...p-d8tvsnt80&.h
tml This article is about crime on the coast in northern Mexico
against Americans and other foreigners. Was wondering if the cruising
grounds of Mexico has any of these problems. Anyone been there that
can shed a little light?
Red


Is this still a problem? I thought Mexico sent most of its criminals into
the US across the Swiss cheeze border?

Larry
--
As the price of Monopoly money rises, at some point it will equal
Federal Reserve Private Bank fake banknotes in value!

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"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in
news:%QLgj.5717$EN6.124@trndny07:

Larry,, the Mexicans are only here to do the work that Americans
won't
do .. like:

Murder, rape, drunk driving .. etc.



Oh....thanks!

Larry
--
As the price of Monopoly money rises, at some point it will equal
Federal Reserve Private Bank fake banknotes in value!

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On Jan 8, 9:33 am, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
wrote:
Larry,, the Mexicans are only here to do the work that Americans won't do ..
like:

Murder, rape, drunk driving .. etc.

============================="Larry" wrote in message

...

Red wrote in
:

http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt...p-d8tvsnt80&.h
tml This article is about crime on the coast in northern Mexico
against Americans and other foreigners. Was wondering if the cruising
grounds of Mexico has any of these problems. Anyone been there that
can shed a little light?
Red

Is this still a problem? I thought Mexico sent most of its criminals into
the US across the Swiss cheeze border?

Larry
--
As the price of Monopoly money rises, at some point it will equal
Federal Reserve Private Bank fake banknotes in value!

Define American. North, Central or South American?

Mexico crime
 

On Jan 8, 12:11*am, Red wrote:
http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt...=ap-d8tvsnt80&...
This article is about crime on the coast in northern Mexico against
Americans and other foreigners. Was wondering if the cruising grounds of
Mexico has any of these problems. Anyone been there that can shed a
little light?
Red

Mexico lives on it's tourist trade. You as a Gringo may get smaller
meals, crappy service, and be way over charge for everything. You will
have to pass out money to every person wearing a uniform but it's not
quite criminal, it the way things are done.

Just visited Isla Mujeres, Cancun, and skirted the whole east coast.

Fuel is cheap..but not even the Mexican customs will accept Mexican
Peso's, they want US greenbacks. Bring 20 copies of everything!!!!!!

Joe

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On Jan 10, 8:42 am, Joe wrote:
On Jan 8, 12:11 am, Red wrote:

http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt...=ap-d8tvsnt80&...
This article is about crime on the coast in northern Mexico against
Americans and other foreigners. Was wondering if the cruising grounds of
Mexico has any of these problems. Anyone been there that can shed a
little light?
Red

Mexico lives on it's tourist trade. You as a Gringo may get smaller
meals, crappy service, and be way over charge for everything. You will
have to pass out money to every person wearing a uniform but it's not
quite criminal, it the way things are done.

Just visited Isla Mujeres, Cancun, and skirted the whole east coast.

Fuel is cheap..but not even the Mexican customs will accept Mexican
Peso's, they want US greenbacks. Bring 20 copies of everything!!!!!!

Joe

Yes, the Mexicans have a strange way of doing things. I have being
there several times but after all it's their country and since we took
half of it during the Mexican American war, they feel very particular
about the way we think we should have special treatment because we are
"AMERICANS". We took half their country, the same way Saddam Hussein
took Kuwait, the only difference is that there was no third country to
push us back! Read our history.

http://www.historyguy.com/Mexican-American_War.html

"By the time President Polk came to office in 1845, an idea called
"Manifest Destiny" had taken root among the American people, and the
new occupant of the White House was a firm believer in the idea of
expansion. The belief that the U.S. basically had a God-given right to
occupy and "civilize" the whole continent gained favor as more and
more Americans settled the western lands"

Mexico crime
 

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On 2008-02-10 00:58:10 -0500, Marty said:

Now the US has a God-given mandate to "democratize" the planet.

Cheers
Marty

Sorry, but though I may disagree with many/most "US" mandates, the few
times that un-representative (the US is a republic, not a democracy)
governments have advanced individual initiative are all due to the
despot being a "really good guy": less interested in accumulating
personal power and money than actually advancing the rest of the
country. They might have been more comfortable in established republics.

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

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Roger Long wrote:
"Marty" wrote
Unfortunately, little has changed, except maybe to expand the idea. Now
the US has a God-given mandate to "democratize" the planet.

You mean "democratize the parts with oil", do you not?

We have a morality driven mandate to bring democracy (democratic
governments have never warred against each other) to those countries
creating a great deal of trouble to their neighbors and the rest of the
world.

Stephen

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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:01:49 -0800, Stephen Trapani wrote:

We have a morality driven mandate to bring democracy (democratic
governments have never warred against each other) to those countries
creating a great deal of trouble to their neighbors and the rest of the
world.

2 possibilities he
1. I missed the sarcasm.
2. You actually believe this.

if 1, you need to add emoticons to your text.
if 2, you need to pull your head out of your ass.

Nobody in the good ol' US of A should be pontificating about
the US occupying some sort of moral high ground in the world, unless of
course you were attempting to be sarcastic...in an attempt to be
funny...which was successful...then again if it was case #2, you'll find
the extraction process somewhat painful at first, but the view
-and the smell- improves rapidly...
HTH

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On Feb 9, 11:19*pm, wrote:
On Jan 10, 8:42 am, Joe wrote:





On Jan 8, 12:11 am, Red wrote:

http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt...=ap-d8tvsnt80&....
This article is about crime on the coast in northern Mexico against
Americans and other foreigners. Was wondering if the cruising grounds of
Mexico has any of these problems. Anyone been there that can shed a
little light?
Red

Mexico lives on it's tourist trade. You as a Gringo may get smaller
meals, crappy service, and be way over charge for everything. You will
have to pass out money to every person wearing a uniform but it's not
quite criminal, it the way things are done.

*Just visited Isla Mujeres, Cancun, and skirted the whole east coast.

*Fuel is cheap..but not even the Mexican customs will accept Mexican
Peso's, they want US greenbacks. Bring 20 copies of everything!!!!!!

Joe

Yes, the Mexicans have a strange way of doing things. *I have being
there several times but after all it's their country and since we took
half of it during the Mexican American war, they feel very particular
about the way we think we should have special treatment because we are
"AMERICANS".

Who's asking for special treatment? I just wanted to be treated like
every other tourist or person buying a meal in a resturant. I'm
polite, respectful and willing to pay cash. It was quite clear that
because you are Americans you get the special crappy service reserved
for Americans. And it's not like I snuck over the border and was
looking to take work away from any Mexican. It's not like I did not
pay port fees, immigration bribes, customs tarriffs and inflated
Gringo prices. For pleasure and spending dollars I'll go elsewhere
where there is not an attitude problem.

The best advice to visit Mexico by boat is do all your own cooking,
pay a local guide to buy everything for you. Or be willing to pay more
for less of everything.

*We took half their country, the same way Saddam Hussein
took Kuwait, the only difference is that there was no third country to
push us back! *Read our history.

Remember the Alamo...
http://www.thealamo.org/


Joe

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Roger Long wrote:
"Marty" wrote
Unfortunately, little has changed, except maybe to expand the idea. Now
the US has a God-given mandate to "democratize" the planet.

You mean "democratize the parts with oil", do you not?

Well, that would hardly explain the US Foreign Policy in the Western
hemisphere for the past 150 years or so.

Cheers
Marty

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"Roger Long" wrote in message
...

"Marty" wrote

Unfortunately, little has changed, except maybe to expand the idea. Now
the US has a God-given mandate to "democratize" the planet.

You mean "democratize the parts with oil", do you not?

--
Roger Long




Not as far as the Saudis are concerned...

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"Joe" wrote in message
...
Who's asking for special treatment? I just wanted to be treated like
every other tourist or person buying a meal in a resturant. I'm
polite, respectful and willing to pay cash. It was quite clear that
because you are Americans you get the special crappy service reserved
for Americans. And it's not like I snuck over the border and was
looking to take work away from any Mexican. It's not like I did not
pay port fees, immigration bribes, customs tarriffs and inflated
Gringo prices. For pleasure and spending dollars I'll go elsewhere
where there is not an attitude problem.


Joe, I've never been treated as you describe and I've been going to Mex. for
30 years.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:01:49 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

Roger Long wrote:
"Marty" wrote
Unfortunately, little has changed, except maybe to expand the idea. Now
the US has a God-given mandate to "democratize" the planet.

You mean "democratize the parts with oil", do you not?

We have a morality driven mandate to bring democracy (democratic
governments have never warred against each other) to those countries
creating a great deal of trouble to their neighbors and the rest of the
world.

Stephen

That being the case, I guess sombody fell asleep at the wheel when the
Burmese people democratically elected a government, but the military
refused to relinquish control. It might even be there's some oil
there - (there used to be a "Burma Oil company" anyway!)

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

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mr.b wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:01:49 -0800, Stephen Trapani wrote:

We have a morality driven mandate to bring democracy (democratic
governments have never warred against each other) to those countries
creating a great deal of trouble to their neighbors and the rest of the
world.

2 possibilities he
1. I missed the sarcasm.
2. You actually believe this.

if 1, you need to add emoticons to your text.
if 2, you need to pull your head out of your ass.

Nobody in the good ol' US of A should be pontificating about
the US occupying some sort of moral high ground in the world, unless of
course you were attempting to be sarcastic...in an attempt to be
funny...which was successful...then again if it was case #2, you'll find
the extraction process somewhat painful at first, but the view
-and the smell- improves rapidly...

It's sad you can't recognize the obvious higher moral ground that the US
occupies, compared to Islamic extremists. Maybe you should learn a
little about some of these people.

Stephen

Mexico crime
 

Brian Whatcott wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:01:49 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

Roger Long wrote:
"Marty" wrote
Unfortunately, little has changed, except maybe to expand the idea. Now
the US has a God-given mandate to "democratize" the planet.
You mean "democratize the parts with oil", do you not?
We have a morality driven mandate to bring democracy (democratic
governments have never warred against each other) to those countries
creating a great deal of trouble to their neighbors and the rest of the
world.

Stephen

That being the case, I guess sombody fell asleep at the wheel when the
Burmese people democratically elected a government, but the military
refused to relinquish control. It might even be there's some oil
there - (there used to be a "Burma Oil company" anyway!)

Has Burma been creating a great deal of trouble for their neighbors and
the rest of the world?

Stephen

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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:27:08 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

///
the US has a God-given mandate to "democratize" the planet.
///
You mean "democratize the parts with oil", do you not?
///
We have a morality driven mandate to bring democracy (democratic
governments have never warred against each other) to those countries
creating a great deal of trouble to their neighbors and the rest of the
world.

Stephen
///
That being the case, I guess sombody fell asleep at the wheel when the
Burmese people democratically elected a government, but the military
refused to relinquish control. It might even be there's some oil
there - (there used to be a "Burma Oil company" anyway!)

Has Burma been creating a great deal of trouble for their neighbors and
the rest of the world?

Stephen

Dunno. Let's see what the State Department says:

"Burma Activist Aung San Suu Kyi Turns 60 Under House Arrest

United States calls for world to press for end to political repression
in Burma
"The United States renewed its call to the international community to
end political repression in Burma as it noted that Burmese democracy
activist Aung San Suu Kyi is celebrating her 60th birthday under house
arrest.

"The appropriate way to honor Aung San Suu Kyi is by championing the
cause of all political prisoners, and by supporting the brave
democrats of Burma, who struggle daily in the cause of freedom," the
U.S. Department of State said in a press release issued June 16.

"Burma is the only country where a Nobel Laureate is under house
arrest for simply acting as a democratic leader," the release says.

Following is the text of the press release:

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Office of the Spokesman
June 16, 2005

/and so on/

Brian W

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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:25:35 -0800, Stephen Trapani wrote:

It's sad you can't recognize the obvious higher moral ground that the US
occupies, compared to Islamic extremists. Maybe you should learn a little
about some of these people.

obvious? oh my you have drunk deep from the kool-aid haven't
you...perhaps you should spend a little less time watching "Fox News"
there fella

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 21:19:05 -0800 (PST), said:

http://www.historyguy.com/Mexican-American_War.html

Very interesting. One must be cautious about anything written by
historians
in academia these days, because their draft-dodging history gives them a
perspective influenced by that personal history.

Seems to me the parallel missing but begging for mention in the article is
the history of the Balkans following collapse of the Ottoman Empire.


By that logic, everyone should be cautious about anyone, since everyone has
a history that gives them a perspective influenced by their personal
history. So, basically you're saying trust no one. I support that.

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On Feb 10, 12:14*pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

...

Who's asking for special treatment? I just wanted to be treated like
every other tourist or person buying a meal in a resturant. I'm
polite, respectful and willing to pay cash. It was quite clear that
because you are Americans you get the special crappy service reserved
for Americans. And it's not like I snuck over the border and was
looking to take work away from any Mexican. It's not like I did not
pay port fees, immigration bribes, customs tarriffs and inflated
Gringo prices. For pleasure and spending dollars I'll go elsewhere
where there is not an attitude problem.

Joe, I've never been treated as you describe and I've been going to Mex. for
30 years.

--
"j" ganz

Well good for you Johnathan. I've been going there a long time as
well, with my first trip in 1972. Many trips in the 80's and then
worked for Pemex in the bay of De Campche for a couple years in the
early 90's. I enjoyed every trip until my last one. The food sucked,
the Marinas sucked, and the officals were a pain in the ass and failed
to provide a proper Zarpa when departing mexican waters. I put off
going to Vera Cruz because that week a drug gang cut the head off a
federal trooper and left it in his barracks. My broker was afraid we
might be mistaken for drug runners and everyone might be murdered. You
in Mexico.

Joe

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Stephen Trapani wrote:

Brian Whatcott wrote:

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:01:49 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

Roger Long wrote:

"Marty" wrote

Unfortunately, little has changed, except maybe to expand the idea.
Now the US has a God-given mandate to "democratize" the planet.

You mean "democratize the parts with oil", do you not?

We have a morality driven mandate to bring democracy (democratic
governments have never warred against each other) to those countries
creating a great deal of trouble to their neighbors and the rest of
the world.

Stephen


That being the case, I guess sombody fell asleep at the wheel when the
Burmese people democratically elected a government, but the military
refused to relinquish control. It might even be there's some oil
there - (there used to be a "Burma Oil company" anyway!)


Has Burma been creating a great deal of trouble for their neighbors and
the rest of the world?

Stephen

What was that about a Burma Teak Import ban???

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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:52:02 -0800, cavalamb himself
wrote:


Has Burma been creating a great deal of trouble for their neighbors and
the rest of the world?

Stephen

What was that about a Burma Teak Import ban???


Hmmm...interesting observation.

Brian W

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"Joe" wrote in message
...
On Feb 10, 12:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

...

Who's asking for special treatment? I just wanted to be treated like
every other tourist or person buying a meal in a resturant. I'm
polite, respectful and willing to pay cash. It was quite clear that
because you are Americans you get the special crappy service reserved
for Americans. And it's not like I snuck over the border and was
looking to take work away from any Mexican. It's not like I did not
pay port fees, immigration bribes, customs tarriffs and inflated
Gringo prices. For pleasure and spending dollars I'll go elsewhere
where there is not an attitude problem.

Joe, I've never been treated as you describe and I've been going to Mex.
for
30 years.

--
"j" ganz

Well good for you Johnathan. I've been going there a long time as
well, with my first trip in 1972. Many trips in the 80's and then
worked for Pemex in the bay of De Campche for a couple years in the
early 90's. I enjoyed every trip until my last one. The food sucked,
the Marinas sucked, and the officals were a pain in the ass and failed
to provide a proper Zarpa when departing mexican waters. I put off
going to Vera Cruz because that week a drug gang cut the head off a
federal trooper and left it in his barracks. My broker was afraid we
might be mistaken for drug runners and everyone might be murdered. You
in Mexico.

Joe


I've experienced the same thing in LA...

--
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www.sailnow.com

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On 2008-02-10 12:01:49 -0500, Stephen Trapani said:

democratic governments have never warred against each other

?? Thinking a bit, I can't remember an exception. An interesting
observation, if true.

Then again, democracy is a relatively recent development, and quite a
few copied (relative) allies.

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

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mr.b wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:25:35 -0800, Stephen Trapani wrote:

It's sad you can't recognize the obvious higher moral ground that the US
occupies, compared to Islamic extremists. Maybe you should learn a little
about some of these people.

obvious? oh my you have drunk deep from the kool-aid haven't
you...perhaps you should spend a little less time watching "Fox News"
there fella

I mix it up pretty well. I'm always up for new entertainment though. I'd
love to hear you explain the moral superiority of, say, the severe
oppression of women, no freedom of speech, suicide bombers targeting as
many innocents as they can, or any significant moral principle of
Islamic extremism. Have fun!

Stephen

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wrote in message
...
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:30:32 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message
...
On Feb 10, 12:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

...

Who's asking for special treatment? I just wanted to be treated like
every other tourist or person buying a meal in a resturant. I'm
polite, respectful and willing to pay cash. It was quite clear that
because you are Americans you get the special crappy service reserved
for Americans. And it's not like I snuck over the border and was
looking to take work away from any Mexican. It's not like I did not
pay port fees, immigration bribes, customs tarriffs and inflated
Gringo prices. For pleasure and spending dollars I'll go elsewhere
where there is not an attitude problem.

Joe, I've never been treated as you describe and I've been going to Mex.
for
30 years.

--
"j" ganz

Well good for you Johnathan. I've been going there a long time as
well, with my first trip in 1972. Many trips in the 80's and then
worked for Pemex in the bay of De Campche for a couple years in the
early 90's. I enjoyed every trip until my last one. The food sucked,
the Marinas sucked, and the officals were a pain in the ass and failed
to provide a proper Zarpa when departing mexican waters. I put off
going to Vera Cruz because that week a drug gang cut the head off a
federal trooper and left it in his barracks. My broker was afraid we
might be mistaken for drug runners and everyone might be murdered. You
in Mexico.

Joe


I've experienced the same thing in LA...

What did you use to stick your head back on?




Monster glue of course!


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:52:06 -0800, Stephen Trapani wrote:


I mix it up pretty well. I'm always up for new entertainment though. I'd
love to hear you explain the moral superiority of, say, the severe
oppression of women, no freedom of speech, suicide bombers targeting as
many innocents as they can, or any significant moral principle of Islamic
extremism. Have fun!

Why would I strap meat to the bones of your straw man/false dichotomy?
You assert "moral superiority" for the US. I, a student of history,
unblinded by a lifetime of propagandization as an American citizen, can
see that the US has no claim to any moral high ground. You can feel free
to refute. Good luck.

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mr.b wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:52:06 -0800, Stephen Trapani wrote:


I mix it up pretty well. I'm always up for new entertainment though. I'd
love to hear you explain the moral superiority of, say, the severe
oppression of women, no freedom of speech, suicide bombers targeting as
many innocents as they can, or any significant moral principle of Islamic
extremism. Have fun!

Why would I strap meat to the bones of your straw man/false dichotomy?
You assert "moral superiority" for the US. I, a student of history,
unblinded by a lifetime of propagandization as an American citizen, can
see that the US has no claim to any moral high ground. You can feel free
to refute. Good luck.

The refutation is my statement above of Islamic extremist morality which
you have declined to attempt to refute. There is nothing left for me to
refute until you have said something. Got anything?

Stephen

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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:04:12 -0500, WaIIy wrote:

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:26:56 -0500, "mr.b" wrote:

I, a student of history

You am? How impressive.

as impressive as your reading ability?

I .... can

try and keep up