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Parallax January 23rd 04 05:33 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
their masts and are looking for solutions. Strangely, this has never
bothered me but I may have a solution.

Get several cans of that expanding foam (product name "Great Stuff").
Every 10' or so drill a tiny hole in the mast large enough for the
nozzle to fit. Push the nozzle in far enough to squirt a dab on the
opposite internal mast wall, on the side wall and opposite wall and
withdraw the nozzle to put a little just inside the hole. Allow it to
set. Push the nozzle through the dried foam at the hole till it is
above the four foam spots and inject enough to form a blob filling the
cross section at the mast. It will be held in place by the four
hardened blobs. Let it begin to set but work th halyards up and down
as it sets.

I have not tried this but might if the slap ever bothers me.

DBO

Wim January 23rd 04 07:59 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
" Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
: their masts and are looking for solutions"

Because they and you are bothering them with their slapping noise other
boaters seeking solitude and peace :-)
Especially at night.

"I have not tried this but might if the slap ever bothers me.
Duhh! Try it and report back to this group g
--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html




Wim January 23rd 04 07:59 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
" Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
: their masts and are looking for solutions"

Because they and you are bothering them with their slapping noise other
boaters seeking solitude and peace :-)
Especially at night.

"I have not tried this but might if the slap ever bothers me.
Duhh! Try it and report back to this group g
--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html




Don White January 23rd 04 08:26 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
Ok...dumb question....
If one of your halyards does break..how would you thread a new one up
through the mast channels?

Parallax wrote in message
om...
Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
their masts and are looking for solutions. Strangely, this has never
bothered me but I may have a solution.

Get several cans of that expanding foam (product name "Great Stuff").
Every 10' or so drill a tiny hole in the mast large enough for the
nozzle to fit. Push the nozzle in far enough to squirt a dab on the
opposite internal mast wall, on the side wall and opposite wall and
withdraw the nozzle to put a little just inside the hole. Allow it to
set. Push the nozzle through the dried foam at the hole till it is
above the four foam spots and inject enough to form a blob filling the
cross section at the mast. It will be held in place by the four
hardened blobs. Let it begin to set but work th halyards up and down
as it sets.

I have not tried this but might if the slap ever bothers me.

DBO




Don White January 23rd 04 08:26 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
Ok...dumb question....
If one of your halyards does break..how would you thread a new one up
through the mast channels?

Parallax wrote in message
om...
Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
their masts and are looking for solutions. Strangely, this has never
bothered me but I may have a solution.

Get several cans of that expanding foam (product name "Great Stuff").
Every 10' or so drill a tiny hole in the mast large enough for the
nozzle to fit. Push the nozzle in far enough to squirt a dab on the
opposite internal mast wall, on the side wall and opposite wall and
withdraw the nozzle to put a little just inside the hole. Allow it to
set. Push the nozzle through the dried foam at the hole till it is
above the four foam spots and inject enough to form a blob filling the
cross section at the mast. It will be held in place by the four
hardened blobs. Let it begin to set but work th halyards up and down
as it sets.

I have not tried this but might if the slap ever bothers me.

DBO




Rodney Myrvaagnes January 23rd 04 08:59 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:59:12 -0500, "Wim" wrote:

" Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
: their masts and are looking for solutions"



We have had a boat with 4 internal halyards for 14 seasons, and
chartered others before that. The only way we get slap is if the
outside part is left against the mast, never inside.

Just run your jib and spin halyards forward to the pulpit and the main
halyard to the boom end. The pole lift can go to the base of a
stanchion forward.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


"Curse thee, thou quadrant. No longer will I guide my earthly way by thee." Capt. Ahab

Rodney Myrvaagnes January 23rd 04 08:59 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:59:12 -0500, "Wim" wrote:

" Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
: their masts and are looking for solutions"



We have had a boat with 4 internal halyards for 14 seasons, and
chartered others before that. The only way we get slap is if the
outside part is left against the mast, never inside.

Just run your jib and spin halyards forward to the pulpit and the main
halyard to the boom end. The pole lift can go to the base of a
stanchion forward.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


"Curse thee, thou quadrant. No longer will I guide my earthly way by thee." Capt. Ahab

Rosalie B. January 24th 04 12:26 AM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
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Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:59:12 -0500, "Wim" wrote:

" Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
: their masts and are looking for solutions"



We have had a boat with 4 internal halyards for 14 seasons, and
chartered others before that. The only way we get slap is if the
outside part is left against the mast, never inside.


We also have internal halyards and we don't have slap per se, but we
do sometimes hear the halyards rattle inside the mast. I don't think
it can be heard off the boat, and it can only be heard on the boat if
it is relatively quiet.

Slap outside is something else, and usually you can see the marks that
whatever is slapping has made on the mast or boom or other part. We
tie our external halyards off on the pinrails except for the jib. We
have a little fender between it and the mast, and we also have it tied
out.

Just run your jib and spin halyards forward to the pulpit and the main
halyard to the boom end. The pole lift can go to the base of a
stanchion forward.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


"Curse thee, thou quadrant. No longer will I guide my earthly way by thee." Capt. Ahab


grandma Rosalie

Rosalie B. January 24th 04 12:26 AM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
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Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:59:12 -0500, "Wim" wrote:

" Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
: their masts and are looking for solutions"



We have had a boat with 4 internal halyards for 14 seasons, and
chartered others before that. The only way we get slap is if the
outside part is left against the mast, never inside.


We also have internal halyards and we don't have slap per se, but we
do sometimes hear the halyards rattle inside the mast. I don't think
it can be heard off the boat, and it can only be heard on the boat if
it is relatively quiet.

Slap outside is something else, and usually you can see the marks that
whatever is slapping has made on the mast or boom or other part. We
tie our external halyards off on the pinrails except for the jib. We
have a little fender between it and the mast, and we also have it tied
out.

Just run your jib and spin halyards forward to the pulpit and the main
halyard to the boom end. The pole lift can go to the base of a
stanchion forward.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


"Curse thee, thou quadrant. No longer will I guide my earthly way by thee." Capt. Ahab


grandma Rosalie

Ken Heaton January 24th 04 12:24 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
It seems to me someone on this group has actually filled their mast with
styrofoam peanuts. Not me though. If anyone else rembers any details of
this post away. I can't rember if they had internal halyards.

Don't try Parallax's spray foam experiment. You will never be able to keep
the halyards, etc. running free and if you can move them at all afterward
they will be horribly stiff (almost rigid) and very rough. Might work if
your only internal lines are wire and you use a strong solvent to clean the
wire after the foam cures/sets up. Me, I'd try a different solution.



Ken Heaton January 24th 04 12:24 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
It seems to me someone on this group has actually filled their mast with
styrofoam peanuts. Not me though. If anyone else rembers any details of
this post away. I can't rember if they had internal halyards.

Don't try Parallax's spray foam experiment. You will never be able to keep
the halyards, etc. running free and if you can move them at all afterward
they will be horribly stiff (almost rigid) and very rough. Might work if
your only internal lines are wire and you use a strong solvent to clean the
wire after the foam cures/sets up. Me, I'd try a different solution.



Larry W4CSC January 24th 04 02:12 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:26:38 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:

Ok...dumb question....
If one of your halyards does break..how would you thread a new one up
through the mast channels?

Er, ah, we use gravity and feed it DOWN from the top?


Larry W4CSC

Is it just me or did the US and UK just capture 1/3
of the world's sweetest oil supply? What idiot wants to
GIVE IT BACK?!!

Larry W4CSC January 24th 04 02:12 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:26:38 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:

Ok...dumb question....
If one of your halyards does break..how would you thread a new one up
through the mast channels?

Er, ah, we use gravity and feed it DOWN from the top?


Larry W4CSC

Is it just me or did the US and UK just capture 1/3
of the world's sweetest oil supply? What idiot wants to
GIVE IT BACK?!!

jake January 24th 04 02:21 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
In article ,
Rosalie B. wrote:

x-no-archive:yes

Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:59:12 -0500, "Wim" wrote:

" Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
: their masts and are looking for solutions"



We have had a boat with 4 internal halyards for 14 seasons, and
chartered others before that. The only way we get slap is if the
outside part is left against the mast, never inside.


We also have internal halyards and we don't have slap per se, but we
do sometimes hear the halyards rattle inside the mast. I don't think
it can be heard off the boat, and it can only be heard on the boat if
it is relatively quiet.

Slap outside is something else, and usually you can see the marks that
whatever is slapping has made on the mast or boom or other part. We
tie our external halyards off on the pinrails except for the jib. We
have a little fender between it and the mast, and we also have it tied
out.

Just run your jib and spin halyards forward to the pulpit and the main
halyard to the boom end. The pole lift can go to the base of a
stanchion forward.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC
J36 Gjo/a


"Curse thee, thou quadrant. No longer will I guide my earthly way by thee."
Capt. Ahab


grandma Rosalie


The only real cure for this problem is cut the mast down.
There is a blowboat in the slip behind me that has a banging haylard. It
is so loud the whole marina knows which boat it is, the guy has been
asked to fix it, the dockmaster has retied it so it doesn't bang, many
times. Jerko goes out and reties it so it bangs.
A chain saw is the only anwser.

jake January 24th 04 02:21 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
In article ,
Rosalie B. wrote:

x-no-archive:yes

Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:59:12 -0500, "Wim" wrote:

" Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
: their masts and are looking for solutions"



We have had a boat with 4 internal halyards for 14 seasons, and
chartered others before that. The only way we get slap is if the
outside part is left against the mast, never inside.


We also have internal halyards and we don't have slap per se, but we
do sometimes hear the halyards rattle inside the mast. I don't think
it can be heard off the boat, and it can only be heard on the boat if
it is relatively quiet.

Slap outside is something else, and usually you can see the marks that
whatever is slapping has made on the mast or boom or other part. We
tie our external halyards off on the pinrails except for the jib. We
have a little fender between it and the mast, and we also have it tied
out.

Just run your jib and spin halyards forward to the pulpit and the main
halyard to the boom end. The pole lift can go to the base of a
stanchion forward.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC
J36 Gjo/a


"Curse thee, thou quadrant. No longer will I guide my earthly way by thee."
Capt. Ahab


grandma Rosalie


The only real cure for this problem is cut the mast down.
There is a blowboat in the slip behind me that has a banging haylard. It
is so loud the whole marina knows which boat it is, the guy has been
asked to fix it, the dockmaster has retied it so it doesn't bang, many
times. Jerko goes out and reties it so it bangs.
A chain saw is the only anwser.

Matt Colie January 24th 04 03:07 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
Jake,

Let me start by saying that I have been a waterman and a sailor more
than fifty years.

-But-
The chain saw is a bad idea. Not that leaving the halyards slap is not
unbelievably inconsiderate, but if you were to cut through the mast, it
will fall. Because there will still be stays attached, it will most
likely go over the side. That will leave the cut end free to spear the
hull of the boat to one side and the truck to fall on the boat on the
other side.

Two options:

1. Get his vehicle disabled while he is sailing so he is forced to spend
the night on the boat.

2. Buy a big roll of the world's cheapest duck(t) tape (the kind that
does not peel well and leaves lots of sticky residue when removed) and
tightly wrap the the halyards to the mast as high as you can reach.

As you have metioned, the situation can be largely corrected with a very
small ammount of effort. A sailboat in a slip will make some wind noise
(even mine does) because it is not laying witht he wind as it would be
on a mooring. But there is no call to be inconsiderate of one's
neighbors.

Matt Colie A.Sloop "Bonne Ide'e"
Lifelong Waterman, Licensed Mariner and Perpetual Sailor


jake wrote:
In article ,
Rosalie B. wrote:


x-no-archive:yes

Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:


On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:59:12 -0500, "Wim" wrote:


" Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
: their masts and are looking for solutions"


We have had a boat with 4 internal halyards for 14 seasons, and
chartered others before that. The only way we get slap is if the
outside part is left against the mast, never inside.


We also have internal halyards and we don't have slap per se, but we
do sometimes hear the halyards rattle inside the mast. I don't think
it can be heard off the boat, and it can only be heard on the boat if
it is relatively quiet.

Slap outside is something else, and usually you can see the marks that
whatever is slapping has made on the mast or boom or other part. We
tie our external halyards off on the pinrails except for the jib. We
have a little fender between it and the mast, and we also have it tied
out.

Just run your jib and spin halyards forward to the pulpit and the main
halyard to the boom end. The pole lift can go to the base of a
stanchion forward.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC
J36 Gjo/a


"Curse thee, thou quadrant. No longer will I guide my earthly way by thee."
Capt. Ahab


grandma Rosalie



The only real cure for this problem is cut the mast down.
There is a blowboat in the slip behind me that has a banging haylard. It
is so loud the whole marina knows which boat it is, the guy has been
asked to fix it, the dockmaster has retied it so it doesn't bang, many
times. Jerko goes out and reties it so it bangs.
A chain saw is the only anwser.



Matt Colie January 24th 04 03:07 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
Jake,

Let me start by saying that I have been a waterman and a sailor more
than fifty years.

-But-
The chain saw is a bad idea. Not that leaving the halyards slap is not
unbelievably inconsiderate, but if you were to cut through the mast, it
will fall. Because there will still be stays attached, it will most
likely go over the side. That will leave the cut end free to spear the
hull of the boat to one side and the truck to fall on the boat on the
other side.

Two options:

1. Get his vehicle disabled while he is sailing so he is forced to spend
the night on the boat.

2. Buy a big roll of the world's cheapest duck(t) tape (the kind that
does not peel well and leaves lots of sticky residue when removed) and
tightly wrap the the halyards to the mast as high as you can reach.

As you have metioned, the situation can be largely corrected with a very
small ammount of effort. A sailboat in a slip will make some wind noise
(even mine does) because it is not laying witht he wind as it would be
on a mooring. But there is no call to be inconsiderate of one's
neighbors.

Matt Colie A.Sloop "Bonne Ide'e"
Lifelong Waterman, Licensed Mariner and Perpetual Sailor


jake wrote:
In article ,
Rosalie B. wrote:


x-no-archive:yes

Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:


On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:59:12 -0500, "Wim" wrote:


" Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
: their masts and are looking for solutions"


We have had a boat with 4 internal halyards for 14 seasons, and
chartered others before that. The only way we get slap is if the
outside part is left against the mast, never inside.


We also have internal halyards and we don't have slap per se, but we
do sometimes hear the halyards rattle inside the mast. I don't think
it can be heard off the boat, and it can only be heard on the boat if
it is relatively quiet.

Slap outside is something else, and usually you can see the marks that
whatever is slapping has made on the mast or boom or other part. We
tie our external halyards off on the pinrails except for the jib. We
have a little fender between it and the mast, and we also have it tied
out.

Just run your jib and spin halyards forward to the pulpit and the main
halyard to the boom end. The pole lift can go to the base of a
stanchion forward.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC
J36 Gjo/a


"Curse thee, thou quadrant. No longer will I guide my earthly way by thee."
Capt. Ahab


grandma Rosalie



The only real cure for this problem is cut the mast down.
There is a blowboat in the slip behind me that has a banging haylard. It
is so loud the whole marina knows which boat it is, the guy has been
asked to fix it, the dockmaster has retied it so it doesn't bang, many
times. Jerko goes out and reties it so it bangs.
A chain saw is the only anwser.



Marc January 24th 04 04:17 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
NO,NO, NO, and NO. Drill holes in your mast? Inject foam? What are you
smoking?.Bite the bullit and un step the mast. If your internal wires
are slapping, wrap the wire bundle in pipe insulation and get gigunda
wire ties from Home Depot. Attach 4 wire ties every 5' at 90* to each
other. The will act as a standoff. If the halyards are slapping, tie
the shackle to the toerail away from the mast and put a good strain on
it.

On 23 Jan 2004 09:33:53 -0800, (Parallax)
wrote:

Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
their masts and are looking for solutions. Strangely, this has never
bothered me but I may have a solution.

Get several cans of that expanding foam (product name "Great Stuff").
Every 10' or so drill a tiny hole in the mast large enough for the
nozzle to fit. Push the nozzle in far enough to squirt a dab on the
opposite internal mast wall, on the side wall and opposite wall and
withdraw the nozzle to put a little just inside the hole. Allow it to
set. Push the nozzle through the dried foam at the hole till it is
above the four foam spots and inject enough to form a blob filling the
cross section at the mast. It will be held in place by the four
hardened blobs. Let it begin to set but work th halyards up and down
as it sets.

I have not tried this but might if the slap ever bothers me.

DBO



Marc January 24th 04 04:17 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
NO,NO, NO, and NO. Drill holes in your mast? Inject foam? What are you
smoking?.Bite the bullit and un step the mast. If your internal wires
are slapping, wrap the wire bundle in pipe insulation and get gigunda
wire ties from Home Depot. Attach 4 wire ties every 5' at 90* to each
other. The will act as a standoff. If the halyards are slapping, tie
the shackle to the toerail away from the mast and put a good strain on
it.

On 23 Jan 2004 09:33:53 -0800, (Parallax)
wrote:

Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
their masts and are looking for solutions. Strangely, this has never
bothered me but I may have a solution.

Get several cans of that expanding foam (product name "Great Stuff").
Every 10' or so drill a tiny hole in the mast large enough for the
nozzle to fit. Push the nozzle in far enough to squirt a dab on the
opposite internal mast wall, on the side wall and opposite wall and
withdraw the nozzle to put a little just inside the hole. Allow it to
set. Push the nozzle through the dried foam at the hole till it is
above the four foam spots and inject enough to form a blob filling the
cross section at the mast. It will be held in place by the four
hardened blobs. Let it begin to set but work th halyards up and down
as it sets.

I have not tried this but might if the slap ever bothers me.

DBO



Armond Perretta January 24th 04 04:22 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
Matt Colie wrote:

Two options:

1. Get his vehicle disabled while he is sailing so he is forced to
spend the night on the boat.

2. Buy a big roll of the world's cheapest duck(t) tape (the kind
that does not peel well and leaves lots of sticky residue when
removed) and tightly wrap the the halyards to the mast as high as
you can reach.


I like your suggestions, but it seems to me that they should only be carried
out by a well-armed individual.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.tripod.com





Armond Perretta January 24th 04 04:22 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
Matt Colie wrote:

Two options:

1. Get his vehicle disabled while he is sailing so he is forced to
spend the night on the boat.

2. Buy a big roll of the world's cheapest duck(t) tape (the kind
that does not peel well and leaves lots of sticky residue when
removed) and tightly wrap the the halyards to the mast as high as
you can reach.


I like your suggestions, but it seems to me that they should only be carried
out by a well-armed individual.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.tripod.com





Parallax January 24th 04 05:03 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
"Don White" wrote in message ...
Ok...dumb question....
If one of your halyards does break..how would you thread a new one up
through the mast channels?

Parallax wrote in message
om...
Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
their masts and are looking for solutions. Strangely, this has never
bothered me but I may have a solution.

Get several cans of that expanding foam (product name "Great Stuff").
Every 10' or so drill a tiny hole in the mast large enough for the
nozzle to fit. Push the nozzle in far enough to squirt a dab on the
opposite internal mast wall, on the side wall and opposite wall and
withdraw the nozzle to put a little just inside the hole. Allow it to
set. Push the nozzle through the dried foam at the hole till it is
above the four foam spots and inject enough to form a blob filling the
cross section at the mast. It will be held in place by the four
hardened blobs. Let it begin to set but work th halyards up and down
as it sets.

I have not tried this but might if the slap ever bothers me.

DBO


Maybe the reason halyard slap doesnt bother me is because it doesnt
happen with mine, dunno, cant rememeber.

BROKEN halyard, how likely is that? Still, as easy to replace as on
an externally mounted one. Climb mast with weighted fish line, drop
it through the top shieve, get it out at bottom, pull halyard through.
However, before I tried that, I'd try a plumbers or electrical snake.
It's stiff enouigh that I'm sure it would go vertically from the
bottom. I have used it horizontally on the boom for the internal
lines there.

Parallax January 24th 04 05:03 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
"Don White" wrote in message ...
Ok...dumb question....
If one of your halyards does break..how would you thread a new one up
through the mast channels?

Parallax wrote in message
om...
Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
their masts and are looking for solutions. Strangely, this has never
bothered me but I may have a solution.

Get several cans of that expanding foam (product name "Great Stuff").
Every 10' or so drill a tiny hole in the mast large enough for the
nozzle to fit. Push the nozzle in far enough to squirt a dab on the
opposite internal mast wall, on the side wall and opposite wall and
withdraw the nozzle to put a little just inside the hole. Allow it to
set. Push the nozzle through the dried foam at the hole till it is
above the four foam spots and inject enough to form a blob filling the
cross section at the mast. It will be held in place by the four
hardened blobs. Let it begin to set but work th halyards up and down
as it sets.

I have not tried this but might if the slap ever bothers me.

DBO


Maybe the reason halyard slap doesnt bother me is because it doesnt
happen with mine, dunno, cant rememeber.

BROKEN halyard, how likely is that? Still, as easy to replace as on
an externally mounted one. Climb mast with weighted fish line, drop
it through the top shieve, get it out at bottom, pull halyard through.
However, before I tried that, I'd try a plumbers or electrical snake.
It's stiff enouigh that I'm sure it would go vertically from the
bottom. I have used it horizontally on the boom for the internal
lines there.

Don White January 24th 04 05:16 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
Maybe you missed the point...he was talking about squirting the expanding
foam into the channel at various points.

Larry W4CSC wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:26:38 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:

Ok...dumb question....
If one of your halyards does break..how would you thread a new one up
through the mast channels?

Er, ah, we use gravity and feed it DOWN from the top?


Larry W4CSC

Is it just me or did the US and UK just capture 1/3
of the world's sweetest oil supply? What idiot wants to
GIVE IT BACK?!!




Don White January 24th 04 05:16 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
Maybe you missed the point...he was talking about squirting the expanding
foam into the channel at various points.

Larry W4CSC wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:26:38 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:

Ok...dumb question....
If one of your halyards does break..how would you thread a new one up
through the mast channels?

Er, ah, we use gravity and feed it DOWN from the top?


Larry W4CSC

Is it just me or did the US and UK just capture 1/3
of the world's sweetest oil supply? What idiot wants to
GIVE IT BACK?!!




Glen \Wiley\ Wilson January 24th 04 05:48 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 09:21:03 -0500, jake wrote:

The only real cure for this problem is cut the mast down.
There is a blowboat in the slip behind me that has a banging haylard. It
is so loud the whole marina knows which boat it is, the guy has been
asked to fix it, the dockmaster has retied it so it doesn't bang, many
times. Jerko goes out and reties it so it bangs.
A chain saw is the only anwser.

First, let me say that other peoples slapping halyards don't bother me
in the least. If one of *mine* starts slapping, it drives me nuts. So
much so that I'll crawl out of the rack in the middle of the night and
go up on deck in freezing rain to stop it.

Many years ago there was a guy in my marina with a bad case of slap
with wire halyards. "Tink" Tink" "Tink". 24/7. He refused to fix
it, saying; "It's music to my ears!" Not very neighborly. One night
someone cut his halyards and left them in piles on the deck. He had
to hire someone to run new ones. Years later, I learned that the guy
he hired was also the vandal (I use the word advisedly) who cut them.
A sorry affair all around, though not without its humorous aspects.

I leave you all with the sage advice of that wise philosopher, David
Lee Roth; "You're only as big as the things you let bug you.."

I have to close now as the owner of that sessile trawler 2 slips down
is "testing" his engines again, belching thick clouds of smoke and
ruining everyone's enjoyment of this fine Florida afternoon. I'm
going to West to buy the stuff to epoxy over his exhausts tonight.



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Glen \Wiley\ Wilson January 24th 04 05:48 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 09:21:03 -0500, jake wrote:

The only real cure for this problem is cut the mast down.
There is a blowboat in the slip behind me that has a banging haylard. It
is so loud the whole marina knows which boat it is, the guy has been
asked to fix it, the dockmaster has retied it so it doesn't bang, many
times. Jerko goes out and reties it so it bangs.
A chain saw is the only anwser.

First, let me say that other peoples slapping halyards don't bother me
in the least. If one of *mine* starts slapping, it drives me nuts. So
much so that I'll crawl out of the rack in the middle of the night and
go up on deck in freezing rain to stop it.

Many years ago there was a guy in my marina with a bad case of slap
with wire halyards. "Tink" Tink" "Tink". 24/7. He refused to fix
it, saying; "It's music to my ears!" Not very neighborly. One night
someone cut his halyards and left them in piles on the deck. He had
to hire someone to run new ones. Years later, I learned that the guy
he hired was also the vandal (I use the word advisedly) who cut them.
A sorry affair all around, though not without its humorous aspects.

I leave you all with the sage advice of that wise philosopher, David
Lee Roth; "You're only as big as the things you let bug you.."

I have to close now as the owner of that sessile trawler 2 slips down
is "testing" his engines again, belching thick clouds of smoke and
ruining everyone's enjoyment of this fine Florida afternoon. I'm
going to West to buy the stuff to epoxy over his exhausts tonight.



__________________________________________________ __________
Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com
To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious.

Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and
logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/

felton January 24th 04 06:41 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:31:15 GMT, wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:26:38 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:

Ok...dumb question....
If one of your halyards does break..how would you thread a new one up
through the mast channels?


What mast channels? Have you ever used "Great Stuff"? It will give you
a whole new appreciation for the word "sticky". The idea that you can
keep the halyards running free by moving them up and down while the
foam expands and hardens is hilarious to contemplate. My guess is that
anyone who tries this stunt will be shopping for a complete new mast
to replace the ruined one.

BB


That does sound like a disaster waiting to happen:) I have been
haunted by things that go clang in the night. I suspect that most of
the noise has to do with the vhf antenna cable or the wind instrument
cable. My spar is fairly "bendy" and I can often reduce the noise by
putting a bit more tension on the backstay.



Parallax wrote in message
.com...
Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
their masts and are looking for solutions. Strangely, this has never
bothered me but I may have a solution.

Get several cans of that expanding foam (product name "Great Stuff").
Every 10' or so drill a tiny hole in the mast large enough for the
nozzle to fit. Push the nozzle in far enough to squirt a dab on the
opposite internal mast wall, on the side wall and opposite wall and
withdraw the nozzle to put a little just inside the hole. Allow it to
set. Push the nozzle through the dried foam at the hole till it is
above the four foam spots and inject enough to form a blob filling the
cross section at the mast. It will be held in place by the four
hardened blobs. Let it begin to set but work th halyards up and down
as it sets.

I have not tried this but might if the slap ever bothers me.

DBO




felton January 24th 04 06:41 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:31:15 GMT, wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:26:38 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:

Ok...dumb question....
If one of your halyards does break..how would you thread a new one up
through the mast channels?


What mast channels? Have you ever used "Great Stuff"? It will give you
a whole new appreciation for the word "sticky". The idea that you can
keep the halyards running free by moving them up and down while the
foam expands and hardens is hilarious to contemplate. My guess is that
anyone who tries this stunt will be shopping for a complete new mast
to replace the ruined one.

BB


That does sound like a disaster waiting to happen:) I have been
haunted by things that go clang in the night. I suspect that most of
the noise has to do with the vhf antenna cable or the wind instrument
cable. My spar is fairly "bendy" and I can often reduce the noise by
putting a bit more tension on the backstay.



Parallax wrote in message
.com...
Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
their masts and are looking for solutions. Strangely, this has never
bothered me but I may have a solution.

Get several cans of that expanding foam (product name "Great Stuff").
Every 10' or so drill a tiny hole in the mast large enough for the
nozzle to fit. Push the nozzle in far enough to squirt a dab on the
opposite internal mast wall, on the side wall and opposite wall and
withdraw the nozzle to put a little just inside the hole. Allow it to
set. Push the nozzle through the dried foam at the hole till it is
above the four foam spots and inject enough to form a blob filling the
cross section at the mast. It will be held in place by the four
hardened blobs. Let it begin to set but work th halyards up and down
as it sets.

I have not tried this but might if the slap ever bothers me.

DBO




Rosalie B. January 24th 04 07:42 PM

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"Armond Perretta" wrote:

Matt Colie wrote:

Two options:

1. Get his vehicle disabled while he is sailing so he is forced to
spend the night on the boat.

2. Buy a big roll of the world's cheapest duck(t) tape (the kind
that does not peel well and leaves lots of sticky residue when
removed) and tightly wrap the the halyards to the mast as high as
you can reach.


I like your suggestions, but it seems to me that they should only be carried
out by a well-armed individual.


How many arms would one have to be well armed? Six - like an insect,
or would one extra one be enough?

grandma Rosalie

Rosalie B. January 24th 04 07:42 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
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"Armond Perretta" wrote:

Matt Colie wrote:

Two options:

1. Get his vehicle disabled while he is sailing so he is forced to
spend the night on the boat.

2. Buy a big roll of the world's cheapest duck(t) tape (the kind
that does not peel well and leaves lots of sticky residue when
removed) and tightly wrap the the halyards to the mast as high as
you can reach.


I like your suggestions, but it seems to me that they should only be carried
out by a well-armed individual.


How many arms would one have to be well armed? Six - like an insect,
or would one extra one be enough?

grandma Rosalie

Armond Perretta January 24th 04 08:39 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
Rosalie B. wrote:
"Armond Perretta" wrote:
Matt Colie wrote:

1. Get his vehicle disabled ...
2. Buy a big roll of the world's cheapest duck(t) tape ... and tightly
wrap the the halyards to the mast ...


I like your suggestions, but ... they should only
be carried out by a well-armed individual.


How many arms would one have to be well armed? Six - like an
insect, or would one extra one be enough?


It's quality, not quantity, that we're looking for.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.tripod.com








Armond Perretta January 24th 04 08:39 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
Rosalie B. wrote:
"Armond Perretta" wrote:
Matt Colie wrote:

1. Get his vehicle disabled ...
2. Buy a big roll of the world's cheapest duck(t) tape ... and tightly
wrap the the halyards to the mast ...


I like your suggestions, but ... they should only
be carried out by a well-armed individual.


How many arms would one have to be well armed? Six - like an
insect, or would one extra one be enough?


It's quality, not quantity, that we're looking for.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.tripod.com








[email protected] January 24th 04 09:06 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:48:32 GMT, "Glen \"Wiley\" Wilson"
wrote:

I'm
going to West to buy the stuff to epoxy over his exhausts tonight.


My childhood offers a far cheaper solution: an appropriately sized
pair of potatoes.

This will establish the soundness of his manifold gaskets, the
efficiency of his CO detector, and will send free french fries to the
dock 1/8 of a mile aft of his vessel.

If that doesn't work, a sack of sugar down the fuel pipe makes for an
interesting afternoon for the miscreant.


[email protected] January 24th 04 09:06 PM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:48:32 GMT, "Glen \"Wiley\" Wilson"
wrote:

I'm
going to West to buy the stuff to epoxy over his exhausts tonight.


My childhood offers a far cheaper solution: an appropriately sized
pair of potatoes.

This will establish the soundness of his manifold gaskets, the
efficiency of his CO detector, and will send free french fries to the
dock 1/8 of a mile aft of his vessel.

If that doesn't work, a sack of sugar down the fuel pipe makes for an
interesting afternoon for the miscreant.


Parallax January 25th 04 03:37 AM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
Marc wrote in message . ..
NO,NO, NO, and NO. Drill holes in your mast? Inject foam? What are you
smoking?.Bite the bullit and un step the mast. If your internal wires
are slapping, wrap the wire bundle in pipe insulation and get gigunda
wire ties from Home Depot. Attach 4 wire ties every 5' at 90* to each
other. The will act as a standoff. If the halyards are slapping, tie
the shackle to the toerail away from the mast and put a good strain on
it.

On 23 Jan 2004 09:33:53 -0800, (Parallax)
wrote:

Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
their masts and are looking for solutions. Strangely, this has never
bothered me but I may have a solution.

Get several cans of that expanding foam (product name "Great Stuff").
Every 10' or so drill a tiny hole in the mast large enough for the
nozzle to fit. Push the nozzle in far enough to squirt a dab on the
opposite internal mast wall, on the side wall and opposite wall and
withdraw the nozzle to put a little just inside the hole. Allow it to
set. Push the nozzle through the dried foam at the hole till it is
above the four foam spots and inject enough to form a blob filling the
cross section at the mast. It will be held in place by the four
hardened blobs. Let it begin to set but work th halyards up and down
as it sets.

I have not tried this but might if the slap ever bothers me.

DBO



Hey, it was just an idea, never said it would work. Actually, I have
done this with the Great Stuff Foam at work on a tube with a wire
hoist inside. As far as drilling holes, most of us with older boats
have numerous holes in the mast where previous owners put things.
Yup, it is sticky, but has no tensile strength and a string or rope
through it will free easily (yeah, I tried it at work). Sorry, most
of these ideas are the result of too many red eye flights from one
coast to another.

Parallax January 25th 04 03:37 AM

internal halyard and wire slap
 
Marc wrote in message . ..
NO,NO, NO, and NO. Drill holes in your mast? Inject foam? What are you
smoking?.Bite the bullit and un step the mast. If your internal wires
are slapping, wrap the wire bundle in pipe insulation and get gigunda
wire ties from Home Depot. Attach 4 wire ties every 5' at 90* to each
other. The will act as a standoff. If the halyards are slapping, tie
the shackle to the toerail away from the mast and put a good strain on
it.

On 23 Jan 2004 09:33:53 -0800, (Parallax)
wrote:

Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
their masts and are looking for solutions. Strangely, this has never
bothered me but I may have a solution.

Get several cans of that expanding foam (product name "Great Stuff").
Every 10' or so drill a tiny hole in the mast large enough for the
nozzle to fit. Push the nozzle in far enough to squirt a dab on the
opposite internal mast wall, on the side wall and opposite wall and
withdraw the nozzle to put a little just inside the hole. Allow it to
set. Push the nozzle through the dried foam at the hole till it is
above the four foam spots and inject enough to form a blob filling the
cross section at the mast. It will be held in place by the four
hardened blobs. Let it begin to set but work th halyards up and down
as it sets.

I have not tried this but might if the slap ever bothers me.

DBO



Hey, it was just an idea, never said it would work. Actually, I have
done this with the Great Stuff Foam at work on a tube with a wire
hoist inside. As far as drilling holes, most of us with older boats
have numerous holes in the mast where previous owners put things.
Yup, it is sticky, but has no tensile strength and a string or rope
through it will free easily (yeah, I tried it at work). Sorry, most
of these ideas are the result of too many red eye flights from one
coast to another.


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