BoatBanter.com - November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riff onanother song) and other last-ditch efforts

BoatBanter.com (https://www.boatbanter.com/)

- Cruising (https://www.boatbanter.com/cruising/)

- - November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riff onanother song) and other last-ditch efforts (https://www.boatbanter.com/cruising/88047-november-12th-becalmed-bothered-bewildered-another-riff-onanother-song-other-last-ditch-efforts.html)

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riff onanother song) and other last-ditch efforts

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riff
on another song) and other last-ditch efforts

So, we've finished the ditch. We had the usual uneventful ride
down the section of Intra-Coastal Waterway (also known among
cruisers as "The Ditch") which allows boaters to miss going
around Cape Hatteras, the graveyard of the Atlantic. Literally
hundreds of boats have come to grief in that area, and while the
trip can be very nice under the best circumstances, at this time
of year, there's no telling - or at least not with any
reliability - what the weather will be. So, we went inside,
unlike our friends Tim and Linda, who, because of their air and
bottom drafts, both, couldn't go inside. They went outside and
had a marvelous run. Perhaps next year.

Technically, the Chesapeake Bay portion of our trip is also in
the ditch, but it provided the most interesting open water
sailing we've had since we re-entered the ICW. We've tried to
rely on NOAA (National Oceanographic and Aeronautic
Administration) weather reports, obtained not only on VHF radio,
but through weather underground's web site with all of the
coastal, offshore and inland waterway reports.

Unfortunately, we've not been well served. If we've not gone
because it was forecast for too much wind, traveling companions
without the 82 year old passenger have reported glorious
conditions, well below forecast strengths. When we've gone based
on a forecast, it's been low, wrong directions (from where the
wind's coming), or both, and famously, way back when, entirely
missed the major storm which backed up and brought us to grief in
February.

As we were going to go outside (open water), again, we started up
the satellite weather system, to make sure we didn't get any more
surprises than needed. Our reception seems to be less effective
than it was in the past, and one of the NOAA satellites was
decommissioned between now and the last time we used our system,
so we have less to view. However, we got that, really, for when
we were in the open water of the Caribbean, to better track
weather systems during hurricane season, so it's of lesser import
now. I hope that NOAA activates more satellites, though, as the
three that are there now provide pretty sparse coverage.

So, back to the title, the last many days' worth of "sailing" has
mostly been motor-sailing, or directly motoring, as we've been
trying to make an anchorage, or, the last few days, a slip or
berth in order to plug in to get heat. We have had several
segments of a day's trip which were good sailing, we're thankful
to report, even though mid-November sailing in the mid-Atlantic
states can get pretty brisk. Most has been otherwise, as you'll
see below, though.

So, again back to the title, I'm personally bothered, at the
moment, and that's made it so that I'm not much interested in
nearly anything, to my detriment, and to those who hang on my
logs', as well. My apologies for that. The last week has been
very difficult, and I'm still trying to come to grips with it
all; my life is irretrievably changed. I just don't know by how
much, yet. So, my apologies, again, for what may be intermittent
and somewhat disjointed posts for a while. I'm not really on the
top of my game, so to speak, right now.

Not to burden you with my personal challenges, the good news is
that our mechanical excitements have diminished notably in our
recent travels. There are still things to fix - a fact of life on
any liveaboard boat, regardless of age, but in particular on one
where systems are, in some cases, nearing their 30th birthday,
and nearly all of them not original to the boat but not newly put
in by me in the last 3 years are well into their teenage years -
but the emergency stops for repairs seem to have quit, at least
for a while.

So, for that I'm very thankful. Like the engine in Captain Ron,
Perky is thirsty, but not nearly to the degree of that engine. As
we've had to motor for a great deal of time in the last whiles,
and diesels like full throttle better than just mucking along, we've
lately done a lot of hours at pretty fast revolutions. While it
uses some oil, the engine is running very well, and the engine
room, actually, smells better under way than it has for a very
long time. It seems to like the oil I fed it this time better
than the last, as pressure is higher at all speeds, and it seems
to use less than I recall.

We've succeeded in finding good internet at every stop, several
times being good enough to make internet telephone calls (which
require broadband for good quality), and I've used it for
research into all the things we need to do aboard, as well as
finding someplace for Portia to get spayed. Our next stop will be
Charleston, where the entire city is wired for free wifi, so it
will continue once we get there.

About the "once we get there" part.

Back to the title, again, that's the "becalmed" part. Part of
this whole package is our fault, the telling of which requires
that I back up a bit. We had been going to join our friends Roy
and Doon in Cape Lookout's little bay - the one with the turtles
Lydia tried to find on the way up - but the weather on Saturday
was so nasty we passed. Lumpy water, freezing cold, and biting
wind were not on our agenda. That set of conditions proved very
helpful to sailing, under our soon-to-be-replaced genoa alone,
all the way from Oriental to the approach in the middle of the
Adams Creek Canal. Not very nice, though, for open anchoring.

However, they clued us to a place they'd stopped the night
before, the Key West Seafood Company restaurant in Morehead City.
They have a dock where, if you buy your dinner there, you can
power and water (and I saw a TV feed, but didn't ask, as we don't
do TV) as well as tie up, for free. We called and confirmed that
we could do that, and with a falling tide offsetting our
off-pushing wind, we did a feather-light docking there at a
little after noon.

A delightful afternoon and evening ensued, as we got to know the
fishermen whose place we took (they rafted up to us after they
went to fuel, leaving early in the morning making it better for
them to be outside) as well as another who was working on his
boat in another slip there. That second fisherman had just caught
a tuna, and we had a marvelous dinner of that fish along with the
other very-well prepared side dishes, artistically presented
(Thank you, again, Louise! We'd never eat out if it weren't for
you! On the other hand, we wouldn't tie up in order to get power
to heat, either!) We can highly recommend this for dinner, as
they specialize in stuff literally right off the boat. Simply
scrumptious!

Both that night and the following Sunday Brunch, there was a
self-taught Grenadian guitarist, with a wide repertoire and
lovely tenor voice, providing entertainment. We learned of the
brunch as we were leaving, casually inquiring if they did
breakfast. That proved to be our undoing, or at least a fray, so
to speak.

Their brunch starts at 11:30, and with the free water available,
Lydia can't resist washing the boat, topsides, deck and house,
every chance she gets. This was no exception, and unfortunately,
neither was the arising hour. As a result we made it into the
restaurant about noon.

Before then, we've had a call from Roy and Doon, who were already
under way. They left the anchorage at about 8, and were doing
7.5-8 knots in 15-20 knots of wind, on a perfect beam reach. The
weather forecast was for this to continue, though only as 10-15,
so, again, NOAA got it wrong. It happened to be in their favor,
this time, though, and they had a great head start. Presumably
they got into some of the same weather you'll see below, however,
but none the less they got a nice sail and a nice jump.

Back to the undoing, as we are having our (unfortunately)
pedestrian brunch, not enhanced by there being only one server
for the entire restaurant, a suggestion is made that we might
like some sandwiches to take with us. A little reflection and we
agree and set up for the sandwiches to come with us.

Well, between the delay in staying for brunch (we could have left
at the same time as Roy and Doon), and the delay in not only
preparation of the sandwiches but the delay in finally getting a
bill, we didn't get out of there until after 2PM. Worse, our
advantage of a freebie dock disappeared with the $85 bill for
brunch and sandwiches - we didn't know that three sandwiches
would come to $30 - we could have stayed for pay for less than
that in our last several places we've pulled in to get power, and
have left early to catch the wind.

That irritation aside, the prevailing winds all night (15-20)
were right on our beam, and kept us off the dock, and our
rafted-up neighbors off us as well. By noon, they'd diminished to
10-15 (just like the forecast, but being inside, I figured it
would be stronger offshore), and with the outgoing tide and beam
wind, just holding the stern line swung the bow out smartly, and
we were off. The outgoing tide added nearly 2 knots to our motor
out - very promising, and right on schedule to make Charleston
mid-Tuesday.

Oops. No sooner do we get out of the channel and head toward our
first turn, than the wind drops. We'd originally thought we'd
have a lovely beam reach, but instead we put out the spinnaker.
Barely drifting along, eventually the wind died, and we put it on
deck awaiting the next puffs, put up the anchor lights, and
turned in.

Lots of rock and roll left over from the wind, combined with a
lot of swell from the east, I wasn't very comfortable, and couldn't
sleep for all the tossing about. In desperation, I got up and
started watching; finally, at about 3AM we got a tiny breath of
wind, and I hoisted the spinnaker again to eke out the benefit of
the 1-4 knots flaky breeze.

Even that died, and as I type, the swell aside, it's like a mill
pond out here. No wind, so, I figure, if I'm going to run the
engine at a fast idle to make electricity and hot water, I may as
well put it into gear. So, with the main up to help minimize
rocking (only minimally successful, that), we're inching along
toward our first turn. If this continues, or if NOAA's current
forecast (immediate conditions excepted, because they're still
calling for 10-15N wind) of light, west winds, is correct, we may
not get there until Thursday. Of course, being offshore, you'll
see this when we get there, so the date will be a clue.

As it's now 4 pages again, as my good friend George says, it's
time to save the rest for another day.

Stay tuned.

L8R

Skip

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery !
Follow us at http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog and/or
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog

"You are never given a wish without also being given the power
to make it come true. You may have to work for it however."
(and)
"There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in
its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts."
(Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah)

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riff on another song) and other last-ditch efforts

Skip,

I don't know which NOAA forecasts you keep talking about, but unless you're
looking at the coastal forecasts, what you see over weatherfax is for off-
shore and can't be applied to the ICW or along the coast.

Next, since you're along the coast of the US, I would suggest simply
turning on a TV and watching the local forecasts. I think that you'll find
them more accurate than anything that you'll get from NOAA.

-- Geoff

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riffon another song) and other last-ditch efforts

On Nov 15, 6:30 pm, Skip Gundlach wrote:

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered

HI Skip,

Sounds as though youre a bit down. Might try adjusting your
expectations about 12 degrees BTDC. That seem to help me.
Oh, and NOAA on the west coast is usually 99% right on. Not sure whats
happening at your spot. I usually just look at the Ocean Prediction
Center Weather Fax then look out the window.

May I suggest a quart of beer and a solo sit on a bluff looking out to
sea. Things become more clear then.
Chris

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riff on another song) and other last-ditch efforts

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:36:06 -0600, Geoff Schultz
wrote:

Skip,

I don't know which NOAA forecasts you keep talking about, but unless you're
looking at the coastal forecasts, what you see over weatherfax is for off-
shore and can't be applied to the ICW or along the coast.

Next, since you're along the coast of the US, I would suggest simply
turning on a TV and watching the local forecasts. I think that you'll find
them more accurate than anything that you'll get from NOAA.

-- Geoff

When you have internet connectivity, here's a resource for local
weather that I like:

http://www.weatherunderground.com/cg...arleston%2C+sc

That URL is for Charleston of course but you can get their forecasts
for any location. They also have links to the NWS/NOAA information,
local radar, and a lot of others. Their long range forecasts are
usually somewhere in the ballpark.

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riffon another song) and other last-ditch efforts

On Nov 16, 1:24 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
Skip,

I, for one, did not miss that single chilling phrase buried in your post.
It sounds like the specter that haunts all of us who hope to do things like
cruise extensively. I hope it works out and I will be thinking of you until
I hear more.

--
Roger Long

Hi Roger:

Are you refering to Skips comment below:

"... The last week has been very difficult, and I'm still trying to
come to grips with it
all; my life is irretrievably changed. I just don't know by how
much, yet...."

What do you think: giving up the boat or giving up Lydia?

Bob

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riff on another song) and other last-ditch efforts

Bob wrote in
:

On Nov 16, 1:24 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
Skip,

I, for one, did not miss that single chilling phrase buried in your
post. It sounds like the specter that haunts all of us who hope to do
things like cruise extensively. I hope it works out and I will be
thinking of you until I hear more.

--
Roger Long

Hi Roger:

Are you refering to Skips comment below:

"... The last week has been very difficult, and I'm still trying to
come to grips with it
all; my life is irretrievably changed. I just don't know by how
much, yet...."

What do you think: giving up the boat or giving up Lydia?

Bob

Personally I think that he's realized that he's sold his house and moved
away from his friends and now lives aboard a boat. Traveling down the ICW
in the cold isn't fun and he's wondering what he's done.

I've often looked in amazement at people who have done what they've done
and I've always suggested that people try this lifestyle out before giving
up their normal life. We decided that we enjoy spending half of the year
on the boat and the other half at home. I enjoy my work shop, friends,
cars, etc and enjoy the boat too. I don't want to give up either.

I wish them the best and hope that they find the life that they envisioned.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riff on another song) and other last-ditch efforts

On 2007-11-16 18:11:02 -0500, Bob said:

On Nov 16, 1:24 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
Skip,

I, for one, did not miss that single chilling phrase buried in your
post. It sounds like the specter that haunts all of us who hope to do
things like cruise extensively. I hope it works out and I will be
thinking of you until I hear more.

--
Roger Long

Hi Roger:

Are you refering to Skips comment below:

"... The last week has been very difficult, and I'm still trying to
come to grips with it all; my life is irretrievably changed. I just
don't know by how much, yet...."

What do you think: giving up the boat or giving up Lydia?

Bob

Having known them for a while and having met them recently (in
Annapolis), my "read" of what Bob quoted (I am not certain what Roger
was referring to) was that Skip has finally realized that he's cruising
and disconnected from his previous land-bound life.

That realization *IS* a watershed event.

Takes most long-distance cruising couples a year or two to get to that
point. Skip got there in about 20 weeks.

I don't believe giving up Lydia has anything to do with it. They have
too much history prior to their marriage for that to be a factor. My
observation is that they are first and foremost friends, and if Lydia
were uncomfortable, Skip would adjust automatically to make her
comfortable, without further thought. Yeah, he wants to cruise, but
Lydia is quite a bit more important. (and when I observed them
first-hand, Lydia was incredibly gung-ho.)

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riffon another song) and other last-ditch efforts

On Nov 16, 4:02 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
I've got to say, Bob, that's in pretty poor taste considering the most
likely reason for the comment.

I appoogize for any tasteless interpretations. I guess I assumend
anyone who posted such disclosive comments in a place like this was
acceptable to a comment like mine.

Skip has contributed a lot to the this
group,...certainly to
anyone reading here to learn and plan a cruising lifestyle. He has been
incredibly generous with the lessons of his learning curve without much
regard for his self image. He really deserves a lot of respect and, from
the sound of it, compassion.

Yes, Skip has been incredibly open and descriptive. And, while I shake
my head in wonder at times, am thankful for his candor.

....all it would take is one small clot the
size of a pencil point or a few cells going rogue to make that a very bad
decision from the life dreams and cruising point of view.

Agreed. to be honest we all are in that boat. I take my asprin daily,
eat organic oats with soy milk just for that reason!

Roger Long

Unless he is not telling the whole story im not sure what he has to be
so bumbed out over.

He has:
a great boat
experienced a crash with out injury
got to boat around the east coast.
has a wife who, up till now at least, agrees to sail.
and is healthy enough to be in the general population and NOT in the
ER, ICU, or MedSurg.

Am I missing something? I thought Skip wanted to sell everything and
follow his dream. He's there. He's livin' the dream !........... now
what?

In 1973 I realized that Paradise is beautiful but also comes with
flesh eating flies, malaria carrying mosquitoes, and bacteria that ate
big green sores in my knees and ankles.

Bob

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riff on another song) and other last-ditch efforts

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:11:02 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

On Nov 16, 1:24 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
Skip I, for one, did not miss that single chilling phrase
buried in your post .....
-
Are you refering to Skips comment below?
"... The last week has been very difficult, and I'm still trying to
come to grips with it all; my life is irretrievably changed.
I just don't know by how much, yet...."
-
What do you think: giving up the boat or giving up Lydia?
Bob

I tracked back four or five posts without finding a clue:
its the kind of talk concerning health, finance or loss of
loved ones, present or impending, that comes to mind.

Brian W

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riffon another song) and other last-ditch efforts

On Nov 16, 7:25 pm, WaIIy wrote:
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:34:32 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

"my life is irretrievably changed" Those are ominous words.

If he thought he made a mistake with the 'chuck it all and be a
cruiser', he could retrieve his life with a lot less effort than it took
him to get ready for the cruising life.

True.........
Well as they say, Better a bottle in front of me than a prefrontal
lobotomy, no?

Skip is flexable. his post are evidence of that. most guys would have
tossed in the towle when his boat hit the reef. i got faith he will
sort it out and be back the same optomistic Skip.

Bob

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riff on another song) and other last-ditch efforts

Geoff Schultz wrote:

Skip,

I don't know which NOAA forecasts you keep talking about, but unless you're
looking at the coastal forecasts, what you see over weatherfax is for off-
shore and can't be applied to the ICW or along the coast.

When I do the weather for the Chesapeake using NOAA (which certainly
DOES apply to that area), I often find that their forecasts are wrong,
either in wind direction or wind intensity and sometimes both.

The thing that you have to do it to really understand what the
forecasts are based on, and that takes a bit of time. In the
beginning even though I had the advantage of having been a science
teacher where I taught middle school students about the weather, I
made lots of mistakes.

In our case, I was the one doing the planning for weather (leaving
running the boat systems to Bob).

When we were in the Bahamas, there was a weather net each morning -
one for the ham radio people, and then one for the rest of us. Each
person reported in listing all the parameters currently at their
station - cloud type, percent cloud cover, wind direction, wind speed,
gusts, temperature (air and water), barometer reading and movement,
etc. I would write down what each person said, and eventually started
giving my own reports. I was able to follow the fronts across the
area by listening to what people were reporting.

I found that listening to Herb's forecasts (and you have to listen to
whatever he says to everyone and have a map - either in your head or
in front of you - to 'get' why he is saying will happen and why)
helped me quite a bit. He gets the forecasts from the various
entities and makes his own assessment of what is going to happen. He's
VERY good about predicting, and when he disagrees with what the models
are saying, he's usually right.

I developed IMHO a good grasp of what weather systems were actually
likely to do. And I'm really interested in the weather and think
about it quite a bit - even when I'm not on the boat.

So now when I listen to the NOAA forecast, I listen ALSO to the
weather observations from around the area with a map in my head as to
what the wind etc actually IS at all the points around me on the map.
I listen or look at such other information as I have available, such
as the Weather Channel on TV and the local TV weather and web based
weather systems. Then I make my own decisions about what I think will
happen.

Skip just needs more experience at the weather thing.

I'm just hoping that the little throw-away phrase is more something
about money rather than health.

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riff on another song) and other last-ditch efforts

I checked his log and he was having some trouble with Portia [I think that
is a dog]

This could be a pet problem. Or,, he may be asking the eternal question
::::
What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?

================================================== ==============================

"Bob" wrote in message
...
On Nov 16, 1:24 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
Skip,

I, for one, did not miss that single chilling phrase buried in your post.
It sounds like the specter that haunts all of us who hope to do things
like
cruise extensively. I hope it works out and I will be thinking of you
until
I hear more.

--
Roger Long

Hi Roger:

Are you refering to Skips comment below:

"... The last week has been very difficult, and I'm still trying to
come to grips with it
all; my life is irretrievably changed. I just don't know by how
much, yet...."

What do you think: giving up the boat or giving up Lydia?

Bob

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riffon another song) and other last-ditch efforts

On Nov 17, 9:30 am, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
wrote:
I checked his log and he was having some trouble with Portia [I think that
is a dog]

This could be a pet problem. Or,, he may be asking the eternal question

Hi:

Maybe we should just ask Skip........................

Hey Skip, What did you mean by that comment everyone is speculating
about?

bob

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riff on another song) and other last-ditch efforts

On 2007-11-18 05:23:15 -0500, Paul Cassel
said:

I missed your point of what's bothering you. It was too subtle for me.

and because you included nothing of what you were responding to, I have
zero clue about what you're talking about though I'm paying close
attention to this thread as Skip's a friend.

PLEASE include enough of what you're responding to so that others can
figure out what you're talking about.

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riffon another song) and other last-ditch efforts

I missed your point of what's bothering you. It was too subtle for me.

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riff on another song) and other last-ditch efforts

"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
. ..
Jere Lull wrote:
On 2007-11-18 05:23:15 -0500, Paul Cassel
said:

I missed your point of what's bothering you. It was too subtle for me.

and because you included nothing of what you were responding to, I have
zero clue about what you're talking about though I'm paying close
attention to this thread as Skip's a friend.

PLEASE include enough of what you're responding to so that others can
figure out what you're talking about.

The TITLE of this thread says he's bothered about something. What is he
bothered about?

Clear enough?

He is bothered because he knows he's a joke and a failure. A circus
sideshow/freakshow combined. He claims he suffers from depression and seems
to think it is an abnormal situation. Face it, anybody as inept as he has
shown himself to be would be crazy if he WAS NOT depressed.

Wilbur Hubbard

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riffon another song) and other last-ditch efforts

Jere Lull wrote:
On 2007-11-18 05:23:15 -0500, Paul Cassel
said:

I missed your point of what's bothering you. It was too subtle for me.

and because you included nothing of what you were responding to, I have
zero clue about what you're talking about though I'm paying close
attention to this thread as Skip's a friend.

PLEASE include enough of what you're responding to so that others can
figure out what you're talking about.

The TITLE of this thread says he's bothered about something. What is he
bothered about?

Clear enough?

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riffon another song) and other last-ditch efforts

Thanks to all to whom the thanks would be obviously directed. The rest
of you can go **** yourselves (Bob, you're not among them, but now you
know what it takes to get me to say that).

For any of those who may actually have an interest in what's
happening rather than just wasting bandwidth on the local ****wit's
issues, Lydia has given me direction (much more than permission) to
talk about it. I'll do so - if I think there's any sincerity (my
apologies to those who I already know are, indeed) in the
communication - to all who care to correspond with me offlist. And,
as I'm not really given to melodrama, it will take me a little while
to compose my thoughts so they don't take orders of magnitude more
space than my usual postings here, so please forgive me if you've
already made this contact and I've not yet come back to you.

I don't think my information is hidden, as I've gotten some private
mail on the subject, but in case there's any doubt, you can find me at
skipgundlach at gmail.com.

We now return you to your regular programming.

L8R

Skip

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery !
Follow us at http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog and/or
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog

"You are never given a wish without also being given the power to
make it come true. You may have to work for it however."
(and)
"There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its
hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts."
(Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah)

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riff on another song) and other last-ditch efforts

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
. ..
Jere Lull wrote:
On 2007-11-18 05:23:15 -0500, Paul Cassel
said:

I missed your point of what's bothering you. It was too subtle for me.

and because you included nothing of what you were responding to, I have
zero clue about what you're talking about though I'm paying close
attention to this thread as Skip's a friend.

PLEASE include enough of what you're responding to so that others can
figure out what you're talking about.

The TITLE of this thread says he's bothered about something. What is he
bothered about?

Clear enough?

He is bothered because he knows he's a joke and a failure. A circus
sideshow/freakshow combined. He claims he suffers from depression and
seems to think it is an abnormal situation. Face it, anybody as inept as
he has shown himself to be would be crazy if he WAS NOT depressed.

Wilbur Hubbard

Right, there's the caring, community minded attitude that we love in our
fellow cruisers. What an arrogant response Wilbur.

Glenn.

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riffon another song) and other last-ditch efforts

On Nov 19, 6:05 pm, "Glenn $s/v Seawing$"
wrote:
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
Wilbur Hubbard

Give Willl burr a break. He is in a world of hurt. This place is
cheeper than therapy.

sO HET WILBUR, WHAT YA GOT TO SAY TO ME/
Ch ur ahhh
bob

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riff on another song) and other last-ditch efforts

"Glenn (s/v Seawing)" wrote in message
news:air0j.13278$fD.6235@pd7urf3no...
Right, there's the caring, community minded attitude that we love in our
fellow cruisers. What an arrogant response Wilbur.

Glenn.

Am I the only person it has occurred to that it only takes a community if
you are a dependent wimp who either never had what it takes to be a man or
who had it once upon a time but lost it via this sick, liberal dependence on
"the community?" Whatever happened to a man standing on his own two feet?

Arrogance is a proper attribute of a real man. One is arrogant because one
is strong and knows he has what it takes to succeed and lives life
accordingly and recognizes the weakness that causes lesser men to tuck tail
and run without making a stand. Those who decry arrogance, or any other
manly virtue for that matter, are girly-men who have a liberal bent which
bent is all about the self-imposed emasculation. Such as these do not have
what it takes and they know it. To feel better about themselves, instead of
trying to improve their own lot and becoming more manly, they attempt dress
in panties and skirts those who exhibit manly attributes.

I shall have none of it!

Wilbur Hubbard

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riff on another song) and other last-ditch efforts

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riffon another song) and other last-ditch efforts

Willard the rat wrote: a lot of stupid and nasty things about people he
doesn't know...
Arrogance is a proper attribute of a real man. One is arrogant because
one
is strong and knows he has what it takes to succeed and lives life
accordingly and recognizes the weakness that causes lesser men to
tuck tail
and run without making a stand. Those who decry arrogance, or any other
manly virtue for that matter, are girly-men who have a liberal bent
which
bent is all about the self-imposed emasculation. Such as these do not
have

No Willy, you have this one wrong too. Confidence is one (of many)
proper attribute of a man. One is confident when he recognizes his
knowledge and ability to function. Confidence is not necessarily a lack
of fear, any more than bravery is not necessarily a lack of fear. It is
recognizing the knowledge that he can and will succeed. Bravery is
recognizing any fear, and making oneself move ahead in spite of that fear.
Arrogance on the other hand is no manly virtue. It is for those girly
men who have to hide the fact they have no confidence. They bluster and
blow and call others names to try to erect a smoke screen to hide the
scared, unsure little boy inside themselves from being found out. In
some arrogant girly-men, such as yourself, they have to tell lots of
lies about supposed accomplishments to make themselves out to be much
more than they know they will ever be. We recognize those lies because
the arrogant girly-man telling them rarely gets his information right.
Have a nice day
Red

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riff on another song) and other last-ditch efforts

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

"Glenn (s/v Seawing)" wrote in message
news:air0j.13278$fD.6235@pd7urf3no...
Right, there's the caring, community minded attitude that we love in our
fellow cruisers. What an arrogant response Wilbur.

Glenn.

Am I the only person it has occurred to that it only takes a community if
you are a dependent wimp who either never had what it takes to be a man or
who had it once upon a time but lost it via this sick, liberal dependence
on "the community?" Whatever happened to a man standing on his own two
feet?

Arrogance is a proper attribute of a real man. One is arrogant because one
is strong and knows he has what it takes to succeed and lives life
accordingly and recognizes the weakness that causes lesser men to tuck
tail and run without making a stand. Those who decry arrogance, or any
other manly virtue for that matter, are girly-men who have a liberal bent
which bent is all about the self-imposed emasculation. Such as these do
not have what it takes and they know it. To feel better about themselves,
instead of trying to improve their own lot and becoming more manly, they
attempt dress in panties and skirts those who exhibit manly attributes.

I shall have none of it!

Wilbur Hubbard

You write an interesting response Wilbur. Facinating that you see personal
arrogance & lashing out at others as virtues to be valued. Most, Wilbur,
see these actions and attributes as those of one with a weak character &
no-doubt shows a man who sees himself as lacking & afraid that others will
discover it. It is a weak man who is never able to admit any shortcomings &
the sign of a real man who is confident enough that he is willing to show
some of his flaws.

Glenn.

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riff on another song) and other last-ditch efforts

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:44:06 GMT, "Glenn $s/v Seawing$"
wrote:

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
tanews.com...

"Glenn (s/v Seawing)" wrote in message
news:air0j.13278$fD.6235@pd7urf3no...
Right, there's the caring, community minded attitude that we love in our
fellow cruisers. What an arrogant response Wilbur.

Glenn.

Am I the only person it has occurred to that it only takes a community if
you are a dependent wimp who either never had what it takes to be a man or
who had it once upon a time but lost it via this sick, liberal dependence
on "the community?" Whatever happened to a man standing on his own two
feet?

Arrogance is a proper attribute of a real man. One is arrogant because one
is strong and knows he has what it takes to succeed and lives life
accordingly and recognizes the weakness that causes lesser men to tuck
tail and run without making a stand. Those who decry arrogance, or any
other manly virtue for that matter, are girly-men who have a liberal bent
which bent is all about the self-imposed emasculation. Such as these do
not have what it takes and they know it. To feel better about themselves,
instead of trying to improve their own lot and becoming more manly, they
attempt dress in panties and skirts those who exhibit manly attributes.

I shall have none of it!

Wilbur Hubbard

You write an interesting response Wilbur. Facinating that you see personal
arrogance & lashing out at others as virtues to be valued. Most, Wilbur,
see these actions and attributes as those of one with a weak character &
no-doubt shows a man who sees himself as lacking & afraid that others will
discover it. It is a weak man who is never able to admit any shortcomings &
the sign of a real man who is confident enough that he is willing to show
some of his flaws.

Glenn.

Dizzy Dean once said, "it ain't bragging is you can do it", but Wilbur
can't do it....

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores
from address for reply)

November 12th - Becalmed, bothered and bewildered (another riff on another song) and other last-ditch efforts

I agree with Rosalie, one has to look at more than one source to have any
confidence in a forecast and even then there willl always be some
uncertainty. I recall going from 1st to 2nd reef in a building NE breeze
few miles off Sandy Hook while the Mt. Holly NOAA forecast was still
predicting "5 to 10 and variable" conditions for that end of the Jersey
coast. At the "local conditions" part of the same broadcast they were also
reporting 18 gusting to 22 at Ambrose, so there was a total disconnect in
the info being sent out over the airwaves. These VHF reports can be
misleading due to the wide area of coverage and "other factors too numerous
to mention" but I'd hate to be without them. If one has access to the
internet the forcaster's "Area Forecast Discussion" link on NOAA websites is
*extremely* valuable in giving a good view of what the individual forecaster
is actually looking at when he or she distills a huge amount of information
from diffent sources and models down to the few words that are then sent out
to the public. There is always some, and sometimes a huge amount of
uncertainty implied in these laudably honest discussions -- but the official
public forecast seldom relects this except in very general terms.

Scott

"Rosalie B." wrote in message snip
When I do the weather for the Chesapeake using NOAA (which certainly
DOES apply to that area), I often find that their forecasts are wrong,
either in wind direction or wind intensity and sometimes both.

The thing that you have to do it to really understand what the
forecasts are based on, and that takes a bit of time. snip