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Fortress FX v. Rocna Anchor
Hi All:
All the talk about the Rocna anchor started me reading and looking. There are some very compelling data the Rocna sets fast and holds well. However, Ive noticed that all the tests Ive seen were all similar sand type bottoms. Here is my question: If anchoring in sand bottoms (hard, loose, sand/mud) why would I chose the Rocna instead of an anchor design specifically for such conditions; Fortress FX series. In other words, Fortress FX or Rocna? Which holds best in sand or mud bottoms? Or is the Rocnca's appeal that it holds adequately in a variety of bottoms? Say, the better crescent wrench (adjustable spanner for you Limeys). bob |
Fortress FX v. Rocna Anchor
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Bob wrote: All the talk about the Rocna anchor started me reading and looking. There are some very compelling data the Rocna sets fast and holds well. However, Ive noticed that all the tests Ive seen were all similar sand type bottoms. Here is my question: If anchoring in sand bottoms (hard, loose, sand/mud) why would I chose the Rocna instead of an anchor ... It does look that the Rocna is one of the better anchor designs. Doe anyone know how it behaves on grounds with sea grass? Most trouble for not setting with my current anchor stem from the fact that as soon as it drags, it will fill up with sea grass and not hold at all. TIA Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com |
Fortress FX v. Rocna Anchor
Bob wrote in news:1193935854.883686.98280
@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com: Hi All: All the talk about the Rocna anchor started me reading and looking. There are some very compelling data the Rocna sets fast and holds well. However, Ive noticed that all the tests Ive seen were all similar sand type bottoms. Here is my question: If anchoring in sand bottoms (hard, loose, sand/mud) why would I chose the Rocna instead of an anchor design specifically for such conditions; Fortress FX series. In other words, Fortress FX or Rocna? Which holds best in sand or mud bottoms? Or is the Rocnca's appeal that it holds adequately in a variety of bottoms? Say, the better crescent wrench (adjustable spanner for you Limeys). bob I actually carry a Fortress FX-23 as another spare anchor (I carry 2 spares). I very much like the Fortress, particularly as it's easy to deploy in a dinghy and light weight. I've always been impressed with it's holding ability, especially in seagrass bottoms where the CQR had a hard time getting set. I must admit I've never used it in mud. The biggest problem that I've had with the Fortress is the tines getting clogged up with material and it dragging (or it dragged and got clogged up while dragging). I've regularly retrieved it and had stuff stuck between the tines and the shank. I can't tell you which is better, but the Rocna fits well in my existing bow roller and for some reason gives me a better feeling. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org |
Fortress FX v. Rocna Anchor
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:50:54 -0700, Bob wrote:
If anchoring in sand bottoms (hard, loose, sand/mud) why would I chose the Rocna instead of an anchor design specifically for such conditions; Fortress FX series. In other words, Fortress FX or Rocna? Which holds best in sand or mud bottoms? Or is the Rocnca's appeal that it holds adequately in a variety of bottoms? Say, the better crescent wrench (adjustable spanner for you Limeys). There's a couple of reasons and they apply equally to the Spade and a few others of this type. Danforth type anchors, including the Fortress, have great holding power if they are well set in favorable conditions, typically firm mud or sand. They also have a few notable weaknesses however: Unfavorable bottoms like grassy or rocky; and even more important, the ability to get down through the water and set in a boat that is moving, or in strongly moving current. Danforth type anchors will plane like a water skiier if you need to deploy them from a moving boat. I've seen it happen and it convinced me to buy a CQR at the time, many years ago. Danforth types also have an unfortunate habit of fouling a fluke on their own rode with a directional shift, or somtimes on a shell or rock which prevents the flukes from pivoting to the proper angle. As a result I've come to view Spades, Rocnas, etc. as better all around anchors but I still carry a Danforth for special circumstances where I need something lighter light weight. |
Fortress FX v. Rocna Anchor
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:34:51 +0100, Marc Heusser
d wrote: Most trouble for not setting with my current anchor stem from the fact that as soon as it drags, it will fill up with sea grass and not hold at all. Yes, you need an anchor that quickly penetrates through the grass into the underlying bottom. The longer that it takes to set, the worse it becomes. |
Fortress FX v. Rocna Anchor
On Nov 1, 9:50 am, Bob wrote:
Hi All: All the talk about the Rocna anchor started me reading and looking. There are some very compelling data the Rocna sets fast and holds well. However, Ive noticed that all the tests Ive seen were all similar sand type bottoms. Here is my question: If anchoring in sand bottoms (hard, loose, sand/mud) why would I chose the Rocna instead of an anchor design specifically for such conditions; Fortress FX series. In other words, Fortress FX or Rocna? Which holds best in sand or mud bottoms? Or is the Rocnca's appeal that it holds adequately in a variety of bottoms? Say, the better crescent wrench (adjustable spanner for you Limeys). bob I'm one of the people who gave glowing support on how well my Rocna copy (Manson Supreme) has been doing for us. It's a great anchor. That being said, it let me down while trying to anchor in an area with a loose sandy bottom. I carry a big danforth (35H) for sandy or soupy mud bottoms. I also carry a CQR. So while I still think the Rocna type anchor is the best anchor on my boat, it's important in my opinion to have more than "one wrench" in the tool box if you have room in your boat. If I could only carry one anchor, the Rocna type anchor would be at the top of my list. |
Fortress FX v. Rocna Anchor
Bob wrote in news:1193935854.883686.98280
@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com: Hi All: All the talk about the Rocna anchor started me reading and looking. There are some very compelling data the Rocna sets fast and holds well. However, Ive noticed that all the tests Ive seen were all similar sand type bottoms. Here is my question: If anchoring in sand bottoms (hard, loose, sand/mud) why would I chose the Rocna instead of an anchor design specifically for such conditions; Fortress FX series. In other words, Fortress FX or Rocna? Which holds best in sand or mud bottoms? Or is the Rocnca's appeal that it holds adequately in a variety of bottoms? Say, the better crescent wrench (adjustable spanner for you Limeys). bob I feel like I'm almost in danger of be accused of being a rep for Rocna (believe me, I'm not), but I literally just got this unsolicited e-mail from a friend who bought a Rocna based upon recommendation from me. We haven't talked in quite a while, and this was quite timely for this discussion. He has a 53' Swan and was replacing a CQR. Anyhow, here's the e-mail: ------------ Hey Geoff, [clip of unrelated/personal stuff] Chose to go with heavy chain of similar length as previously installed (135' vs 120' previous 12mm) and added 135' of rode matched to load capabilities of the chain (1' braid). Worked very well with the Rocna this summer in numerous spots that the plow was absolutely ineffective. Actually saw a bottom sample from Cuttyhunk for the first time ever (probably dropped a plow in Cutty 3-4 times per year for last 15 years and never penetrated the grass). Grabbed rock in a few remote anchorages East of Schoodic Pen. Rocna has absolutely exceeded my expectations and has availed me many very comfortable nights sleep while the wind was blowing hard. Thanks for the recommendation. it's one of very few marine products that I have found to be fairly priced and built and designed to exceed my hopes. Regards to you and Sue, E ------------ -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org |
Fortress FX v. Rocna Anchor
On Nov 1, 9:50 am, Bob wrote:
Hi All: All the talk about the Rocna anchor started me reading and looking. There are some very compelling data the Rocna sets fast and holds well. However, Ive noticed that all the tests Ive seen were all similar sand type bottoms. Here is my question: If anchoring in sand bottoms (hard, loose, sand/mud) why would I chose the Rocna instead of an anchor design specifically for such conditions; Fortress FX series. In other words, Fortress FX or Rocna? Which holds best in sand or mud bottoms? Or is the Rocnca's appeal that it holds adequately in a variety of bottoms? Say, the better crescent wrench (adjustable spanner for you Limeys). bob FYI- While cruising about 10 years ago in mexico, I had a fellow cruiser / scuba diver tell me he was always finding Fortress anchors on the bottom with broken shanks -- that they held fine. However the shank is brittle when pulled sideways or twisted and breaks. He would not use one for that reason. He had no vested interest in any anchor brand at all. Greg |
Fortress FX v. Rocna Anchor
On Nov 2, 5:50 am, Bob wrote:
Hi All: All the talk about theRocnaanchor started me reading and looking. There are some very compelling data theRocnasets fast and holds well. However, Ive noticed that all the tests Ive seen were all similar sand type bottoms. Here is my question: If anchoring in sand bottoms (hard, loose, sand/mud) why would I chose theRocnainstead of an anchor design specifically for such conditions; Fortress FX series. In other words, Fortress FX orRocna? Which holds best in sand or mud bottoms? Or is the Rocnca's appeal that it holds adequately in a variety of bottoms? Say, the better crescent wrench (adjustable spanner for you Limeys). bob Danforth types are not general purpose anchors and have no place as the primary type on any larger boat. They hold well in one direction, if well set, but suffer from a number of other problems. Their advantages, particularly the Fortress, are in stowability and a fairly high performance-to-weight ratio. |
Fortress FX v. Rocna Anchor
On 2007-11-02 16:52:35 -0400, thudbranch said:
FYI- While cruising about 10 years ago in mexico, I had a fellow cruiser / scuba diver tell me he was always finding Fortress anchors on the bottom with broken shanks -- that they held fine. However the shank is brittle when pulled sideways or twisted and breaks. He would not use one for that reason. He had no vested interest in any anchor brand at all. That *is* a problem with that style of anchor. Even if they don't break, bending the shank can make the anchor less useful. Primary problem for me is how easily I've tripped ours out by a wind shift wrapping the rode around the bar. The modern designs avoid that frailty. Another problem is when they get set deeply in the Chesapeake mud. Any time we got hit by solid wind, much less a squall, it could take a very long time to get it out in the morning. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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