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stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
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Could I use thin stainless steel foil instead of copper foil in the bilge as a ground for a long wire (backstay antenna) ham radio setup? Evan Gatehouse |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
"Evan Gatehouse" wrote in message news:B3kPi.10444$th2.2814@pd7urf3no... Never seen this discussed befo Could I use thin stainless steel foil instead of copper foil in the bilge as a ground for a long wire (backstay antenna) ham radio setup? No. Lew |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 01:43:27 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote: "Evan Gatehouse" wrote in message news:B3kPi.10444$th2.2814@pd7urf3no... Never seen this discussed befo Could I use thin stainless steel foil instead of copper foil in the bilge as a ground for a long wire (backstay antenna) ham radio setup? No. Lew Why not? Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
Evan Gatehouse wrote in
news:B3kPi.10444$th2.2814@pd7urf3no: Could I use thin stainless steel foil instead of copper foil in the bilge as a ground for a long wire (backstay antenna) ham radio setup? Yep. Larry -- You can tell there's extremely intelligent life in the universe because they have never called Earth. |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
Evan Gatehouse wrote:
Never seen this discussed befo Could I use thin stainless steel foil instead of copper foil in the bilge as a ground for a long wire (backstay antenna) ham radio setup? Evan Gatehouse You may get some electrolysis where your copper ground connects to the foil, if you have any water in the bilge and it's saline you certainly will. You'll probably end up with a fairly high resistance (bad) connection in short order. Cheers Marty |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
On Oct 11, 2:14 am, Evan Gatehouse
wrote: Never seen this discussed befo Could I use thin stainless steel foil instead of copper foil in the bilge as a ground for a long wire (backstay antenna) ham radio setup? Evan Gatehouse Silver would work best. Stainless if alwful. A world leading antenna designer says stainless loses HF attenuation faster then just about any other metal as the signal follows the outside of the surface unlike electricity, and the corrision(micro) coating on stainless is the worst at conducting HF waves. He's running a silver wire thats teflon coated mil spec stuff the length of my backstays. He said I will have 3X's the ability of the typical SS backstay set-up. And BTW tarnished silver is the best, even better than gold. Joe |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
Evan,
I admit that I am not an expert in antenna theory, but the object of this exercise is to establish a reflective ground plane for your long wire. The obvious choice is the ocean. Why would anybody string anything inside the hull? Not only would this wire be subject to corrosion due to electrolysis, but this wire will always be less than optimum. What is wrong with an insulated (from the hull) carbon block on the bottom of the boat with a connecting stud for connection inside? This should deliver the required connection without risk of corrosion. Steve "Evan Gatehouse" wrote in message news:B3kPi.10444$th2.2814@pd7urf3no... Never seen this discussed befo Could I use thin stainless steel foil instead of copper foil in the bilge as a ground for a long wire (backstay antenna) ham radio setup? Evan Gatehouse |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:48:49 -0400, Martin Baxter
wrote: Evan Gatehouse wrote: Never seen this discussed befo Could I use thin stainless steel foil instead of copper foil in the bilge as a ground for a long wire (backstay antenna) ham radio setup? Evan Gatehouse You may get some electrolysis where your copper ground connects to the foil, if you have any water in the bilge and it's saline you certainly will. You'll probably end up with a fairly high resistance (bad) connection in short order. Cheers Marty Higher resistance then the connection to the stainless back stay? Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:42:01 +0200, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote: Evan, I admit that I am not an expert in antenna theory, but the object of this exercise is to establish a reflective ground plane for your long wire. The obvious choice is the ocean. Why would anybody string anything inside the hull? Not only would this wire be subject to corrosion due to electrolysis, but this wire will always be less than optimum. What is wrong with an insulated (from the hull) carbon block on the bottom of the boat with a connecting stud for connection inside? This should deliver the required connection without risk of corrosion. Steve "Evan Gatehouse" wrote in message news:B3kPi.10444$th2.2814@pd7urf3no... Never seen this discussed befo Could I use thin stainless steel foil instead of copper foil in the bilge as a ground for a long wire (backstay antenna) ham radio setup? Evan Gatehouse I'm sure that Larry will comment on this but the foil inside the boat forms a capacitance connection to the ocean, just outside the hull. Many boats do have a "ground plate", a finned copper/bronze plate bolted on the outside of the hull with connections made to one of the mounting bolts inside the boat. (The above assumes a fiberglass boat) Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:14:41 GMT, Evan Gatehouse
wrote: Never seen this discussed befo Could I use thin stainless steel foil instead of copper foil in the bilge as a ground for a long wire (backstay antenna) ham radio setup? Evan Gatehouse Yes but it's relatively high-resistance compared with copper, silver plate, or (preferably soft) aluminum sheet. Brian Whatcott Altus OK |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:51:03 -0400, Martin Baxter
wrote: wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:48:49 -0400, Martin Baxter wrote: Evan Gatehouse wrote: Never seen this discussed befo Could I use thin stainless steel foil instead of copper foil in the bilge as a ground for a long wire (backstay antenna) ham radio setup? Evan Gatehouse You may get some electrolysis where your copper ground connects to the foil, if you have any water in the bilge and it's saline you certainly will. You'll probably end up with a fairly high resistance (bad) connection in short order. Cheers Marty Higher resistance then the connection to the stainless back stay? Only if your backstay spends long periods of time submerged, but then you'll probably have other larger problems. ;-) Cheers Marty ------------ And now a word from our sponsor ---------------------- For a quality mail server, try SurgeMail, easy to install, fast, efficient and reliable. Run a million users on a standard PC running NT or Unix without running out of power, use the best! ---- See http://netwinsite.com/sponsor/sponsor_surgemail.htm ---- To obtain capacitance coupling to the ocean the plate has only to be below the external water line and I have not seen too many boats with bilge water that high. Further if the plate is only acting as the ground plane in an antenna system then to avoid electrolyses the RF ground should be connected to the plate through high voltage capacitors thus no DC current on the plate. If connections are made with proper tin plated wire and terminals there is no reason that corrosion should be any more a problem then with any other electrical systems mounted below the cabin sole. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
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stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
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stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 01:48:48 +0000, Larry wrote:
DON'T PUT ANY SHINY CAN TOP AS A DRAG CHUTE LITTLE SEA ANCHOR TO HOLD IT OUT TIGHT! "Something BIG!" ate my cat food tin can! It also ate about 35' off the end of my wire! Musta been a WHOPPER! "They", whoever "they" are, can't grab just the open-ended wire. Ships used to dangle a long line with a spinner on the end from the stern of a boat or ship. It was attached to a mechanical counter. This was called a taffrail log. [The one you threw was a chip log.] Sometimes fish would disappear the spinner. I am surprised how seldom it seems to have happened. Casady |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:13:46 -0700, Joe
wrote: And BTW tarnished silver is the best, even better than gold. The tarnish doesn't do anything good. On a relative scale, silver is 250, copper 225, as is gold. Aluminum is 175. Stainless is about like lead, 6 or 8. Plain carbon steel is 25. Thermal conductivity is closely correlated with electrical conductativity for what that is worth. Better at one is generally better at the other. Casady |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
On Oct 13, 7:27 am, (Richard Casady)
wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:13:46 -0700, Joe wrote: And BTW tarnished silver is the best, even better than gold. The tarnish doesn't do anything good. On a relative scale, silver is 250, copper 225, as is gold. Aluminum is 175. Stainless is about like lead, 6 or 8. Plain carbon steel is 25. Thermal conductivity is closely correlated with electrical conductativity for what that is worth. Better at one is generally better at the other. Casady Richard...I'm telling you one of the worlds top antenna designers lives here and I just happened to be lucky enough to get his help setting up my radios. If he tells me tarnished silver is the best for HF I take his word for it..If our goverment flys him all over the earth to design develope and set up the best....that's good enough reference for me. Joe |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
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stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
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stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
Brian Whatcott wrote in
: I have silver at 0.0159 microhm meter at 20 degC copper 0.0168 microhm.meter gold 0.022 microhm meter So gold may not be not quite as conductive as the best, but it STAYS at that value - no tarnish.... Brian W I wish you guys would worry much more about "series inductance" and lots less about how expensive you can make the damned ground strap. Look at your ground strap and follow it down to whatever is supposed to be "ground" on your boat. 1 - Are there any sharp corners or folds back over itself to make it look really neat, like boaters love their stuff? This is bad, very bad. Every sharp curve increases the series inductance, and inductive reactance. If it bends 90 degrees, you have a 1/4 turn coil in series, raising the ground at the tuner MUCH more than the total combined resistance of all the metal chemistry in the circuit, which increases with frequency. All turns in the ground strap should be as large a diameter as you can make it and very smooth to reduce series inductance. It should be routed in as straight a line from the tuner to the ground as you can make it, for this same reason. This strap is PART of the antenna. It radiates like mad when you're on the air, into the bilge wiring, the reason why the LEDs in the DC panel all light up when you talk. They're detecting the RF induced into those DC cables in the bilge. Now, let's put away the periodic tables and go reroute the ground straps, taking off all the pretty tywraps and making them as straight as possible, shortening them as much as we can. Larry W4CSC and other fine old calls since 1957 -- Bruce will be by to inspect your installation, shortly. |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 01:39:43 +0000, Larry wrote:
I wish you guys would worry much more about "series inductance" and lots less about how expensive you can make the damned ground strap. .... Larry W4CSC and other fine old calls since 1957 A valid point. But then, running an insulated wire underwater has rather appreciable series inductance too (which can self-tune at some frequency - I wonder what fx that is? :-) Brian W |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
On Oct 13, 8:39 pm, Larry wrote:
Brian Whatcott wrote : I have silver at 0.0159 microhm meter at 20 degC copper 0.0168 microhm.meter gold 0.022 microhm meter So gold may not be not quite as conductive as the best, but it STAYS at that value - no tarnish.... Brian W I wish you guys would worry much more about "series inductance" and lots less about how expensive you can make the damned ground strap. Look at your ground strap and follow it down to whatever is supposed to be "ground" on your boat. 1 - Are there any sharp corners or folds back over itself to make it look really neat, like boaters love their stuff? This is bad, very bad. Every sharp curve increases the series inductance, and inductive reactance. If it bends 90 degrees, you have a 1/4 turn coil in series, raising the ground at the tuner MUCH more than the total combined resistance of all the metal chemistry in the circuit, which increases with frequency. All turns in the ground strap should be as large a diameter as you can make it and very smooth to reduce series inductance. It should be routed in as straight a line from the tuner to the ground as you can make it, for this same reason. This strap is PART of the antenna. It radiates like mad when you're on the air, into the bilge wiring, the reason why the LEDs in the DC panel all light up when you talk. They're detecting the RF induced into those DC cables in the bilge. Now, let's put away the periodic tables and go reroute the ground straps, taking off all the pretty tywraps and making them as straight as possible, shortening them as much as we can. Larry W4CSC and other fine old calls since 1957 -- Bruce will be by to inspect your installation, shortly. Get a steel hull and just run a short wire to the hull. :o) Grounding straps are for kids. Joe |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
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Joe wrote: Richard...I'm telling you one of the worlds top antenna designers lives here and I just happened to be lucky enough to get his help setting up my radios. If he tells me tarnished silver is the best for HF I take his word for it..If our goverment flys him all over the earth to design develope and set up the best....that's good enough reference for me. Joe Your Designer Friend is certainly speaking from experience. The Experience of a Job that has little monitary consideration. The rest of the non-commercial boaters of the world may not need the "Money is no Object" design, where the difference between Tarnished Silver, and plain old Copper Foil, could possibly be significant, to the RF Ground for their MF/HF Antenna System. Larry's observation that the Series Impedance of the RF Ground, is considerably MORE significant, than the Resistance difference, between Tanished silver and Copper Foil, in the Total RF Ground Impedance of the Antenna System. Bruce in alaska who has designed and installed RF Ground Systems for LF/MF/HF Radio Stations on Land and at Sea for the last 40 Years.... and inspected them for Regulatory Agencies, in the past..... -- add path before @ |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 01:31:49 +0000, Larry wrote:
Your "tarnished" silver-plated ground strap is fine....mine, too. It is well known that copper is somewhat soluble in sea water. After all it was used to cover ships bottoms to retard marine growth. Had to be in solution to be toxic. Silver is not very subject to attack. They use it for medical work: I have silver wire in my jaw. So, silver may well outlast copper in the ground. Life of either should be long enough, in any case. They often ground electrical transformers with a six foot or so copper rod driven into the ground at the base of the pole. Fairly heavy conducters running down the poles. I wonder if people steal them. They do get killed trying to steal energized wire. You are supposed to ground your end of the neutral, but whatever. Casady |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
Brian Whatcott wrote in
: which can self-tune at some frequency The only reason the boat has a tuner is we can't make an antenna "self tune" but on a couple of frequencies. All my ham antennas at home are "self tuning". No tuner is required or wanted as they are so lossy. Larry -- You can tell there's extremely intelligent life in the universe because they have never called Earth. |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
Joe wrote in
oups.com: Get a steel hull and just run a short wire to the hull. :o) You guys should see how well a Butternut HF9VX vertical ham antenna works clamped to the handrail of the flight deck of the USS Yorktown (CV-10) in Charleston Harbor....one of the "World's Largest Ground Planes". Her call is WA4USN, thanks to Senator Thurmond. The base of the antenna is about 80' off the harbor surface. Larry -- You can tell there's extremely intelligent life in the universe because they have never called Earth. |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:25:14 -0500, Brian Whatcott
wrote: Yes but it's relatively high-resistance compared with copper, silver plate, or (preferably soft) aluminum sheet. Funny you should mention soft. It is true that anything that hardens copper or aluminum will increase electrical resistance. In the case of work hardening, you beat dislocations into the crystal structure. Even that has a very slight effect on the electrical properties. If you have a joint between copper and aluminum immersed in the bilge water, you may perhaps have some trouble with corrosion. Casady |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:17:34 GMT, Bruce in Alaska
wrote: Impedance of the RF Ground, is considerably MORE significant, than the Resistance difference, between Tanished silver and Copper Foil, in the Total RF Ground Impedance of the Antenna System. No trouble believing that. Note that silver has ninety percent of the electrical resistance, other things being equal. Thing is, there is no reason why things should be equal. Make the copper foil ten percent thicker and it will have the same resistance. I think a wide strap for a conductor, to reduce inductance, would be helpful, but I don't really know. Casady |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:35:49 +0000, Larry wrote:
[Yorktown, CV-10] about 80' off the harbor surface. I guess people fall off of carriers and sometimes survive. Eighty feet is a long drop. Good chance they won't find you, if it is moving. At night, forget it. Casady |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
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stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
The tarnish doesn't do anything good. On a relative scale, silver is
250, copper 225, as is gold. Aluminum is 175. Stainless is about like lead, 6 or 8. Plain carbon steel is 25. Thermal conductivity is closely correlated with electrical conductativity for what that is worth. Better at one is generally better at the other. Casady Richard...I'm telling you one of the worlds top antenna designers lives here and I just happened to be lucky enough to get his help setting up my radios. If he tells me tarnished silver is the best for HF I take his word for it..If our goverment flys him all over the earth to design develope and set up the best....that's good enough reference for me. Joe I bet Larry could tell a few interesting stories on this subject. Antenna designers are really in a world of their own. Back in the day I remember a group of antenna engineers that were hired to keep a large surveillence receiver antenna working. They would come down and crawl inside the antenna case with a small metal tackle box. After a short while you would hear some light banging here and there and then they would come out and test it. The tackle box they carried had several hammers in it they used to shape/tune the antenna with. In conversation with them and from reading on the subject I learned that when it comes to antenna design some of what you think should make sense, actually doesn't. And sometimes stuff just works when intuitively you would think it wouldn't. Red |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
Red wrote in news:%sXQi.1096$932.869
@newsfe12.lga: Richard...I'm telling you one of the worlds top antenna designers lives here and I just happened to be lucky enough to get his help setting up my radios. If he tells me tarnished silver is the best for HF I take his word for it..If our goverment flys him all over the earth to design develope and set up the best....that's good enough reference for me. Joe I bet Larry could tell a few interesting stories on this subject. Antenna designers are really in a world of their own. Back in the day I remember a group of antenna engineers that were hired to keep a large surveillence receiver antenna working. They would come down and crawl inside the antenna case with a small metal tackle box. After a short while you would hear some light banging here and there and then they would come out and test it. The tackle box they carried had several hammers in it they used to shape/tune the antenna with. In conversation with them and from reading on the subject I learned that when it comes to antenna design some of what you think should make sense, actually doesn't. And sometimes stuff just works when intuitively you would think it wouldn't. Red We COULD turn your 55' mainmast into a conical monopole, like the gummit uses on HF, but the cage might interfere with the genoa... (c; About the banging, one of my technical college associates was the wife of Dr Rufus Fellars, Chair of the Electrical Engineering school at the Univ of SC in Columbia. One of the UHF TV stations in Columbia had a bad reflected power from their multimillion dollar antenna system 1200' up. They hired Rufus to correct it. He took the measurements, did some calculations and drew up plans to put 3 dents in the UHF feedline, creating another reflection to cancel the one they had. Machinists installed the dents, and when the station was turned back on, it had no reflected power one could measure, making their big multikilowatt UHF beast very happy, indeed. Denting works at microwaves much better than HF, however. Dents at HF frequencies are measured in hundreds of feet, not inches. HF on a boat has but two antennas...a flagpole....a clothesline. Neither antenna is "resonant" at the frequencies you want to use them. So, we must always compromise by having a very lossy L-C tuner in the line to match the complex impedance of the clothesline, with its highly reactive component creating that big reflection, to the 52 ohm resistive-only transmitter. This is, virtually, a variable dent you can slide up and down the line that also varies in depth and width to match the wide variety of frequencies Marine HF has spread across. You are using the same antenna system the Morse operator on Titanic used with his spark gap CW transmitter, feeding a tuner to untuned wires between her masts. If you look at qrz dot com and put in my call W4CSC into the search engine, you'll see a picture of me holding a 300,000 volt ceramic insulator that failed around 70 KW on a pirate radio ship I had befriended the captain and chief engineer of. The tuner was built into the top of the military HF transmitter: http://hawkins.pair.com/voanc1.shtml It came from Voice of America in Greenville, NC, bought surplus: http://hawkins.pair.com/voanc/voanc07.jpg This transmitter was built into the fish hold of an old Canadian offshore fishing trawler and installed at one of our little shipyards for Rev R G Stair, who talks directly to his God and rapes the women living on his commune in Canadys, SC. The boat was supposed to be taken to Belize where he'd bribed the right people to let him anchor offshore in international waters microwaving his religious nonsense out to the boat for HF transmission on the shortwave bands. But, the captain, a non- religious man living in St Kitts to avoid American prosecution about a pirate 100KW FM station they used to run from a sailboat off NYC, was afraid the "brothers" were going to feed him to the fish as soon as he got the boat in place and working. So, to attract the FCC's wrath and prevent the boat from moving, he transmitted on the pirate's favorite frequencies just above 7.3 Mhz in the 41 meter band at 70KW from the Wando River here. It worked. FCC swooped down and confiscated everything making a big show in the paper of what great bureaucrats they are at protecting the airwaves of the rich and powerful, like Clear Channel Commications, Inc. to keep the airwaves for themselves. That insulator sure made an impressive arc when it exploded...(c; Larry -- You can tell there's extremely intelligent life in the universe because they have never called Earth. |
stainless steel foil instead of copper for grounding Ham radio?
On Oct 16, 1:53 am, Red wrote:
The tarnish doesn't do anything good. On a relative scale, silver is 250, copper 225, as is gold. Aluminum is 175. Stainless is about like lead, 6 or 8. Plain carbon steel is 25. Thermal conductivity is closely correlated with electrical conductativity for what that is worth. Better at one is generally better at the other. Casady Richard...I'm telling you one of the worlds top antenna designers lives here and I just happened to be lucky enough to get his help setting up my radios. If he tells me tarnished silver is the best for HF I take his word for it..If our goverment flys him all over the earth to design develope and set up the best....that's good enough reference for me. Joe I bet Larry could tell a few interesting stories on this subject. Antenna designers are really in a world of their own. Back in the day I remember a group of antenna engineers that were hired to keep a large surveillence receiver antenna working. They would come down and crawl inside the antenna case with a small metal tackle box. After a short while you would hear some light banging here and there and then they would come out and test it. The tackle box they carried had several hammers in it they used to shape/tune the antenna with. In conversation with them and from reading on the subject I learned that when it comes to antenna design some of what you think should make sense, actually doesn't. And sometimes stuff just works when intuitively you would think it wouldn't. Red Some of those hammers were used to bend fins in the waveguide cavities no doubt. The claws were employed to bend mechanically activated tuning tabs here and there. Been there, done that, sold the t-shirts, spent the money on drugs like caffeine, carbohydrates, etc. Didn't like it, not going back next tour. Too uncertain. Too dusty. ACTPSF (Always check the power supply first) is the eleventh technicians' commandment. I hope that is ambiguous enough for you. When the feet rot out of this world's biggest ground plane ask yourself why it wouldn't matter, and why it would. Nebacudnezer might know. Antennae, like anything electrical, are bifilar devices. The power "ground" line is part of the antenna if you have a monopole antenna (a nonconfabulation, or oxymoron). Local static is equally expressible as noise in the transmitter as it is in the receiver. The resistance of the "ground" is connected to the end of the ground lead in the power supply, but the resistor isn't connected to anything in common between the tx and the rx, except for the distance. The distance between the two non connections is related to the frequency and the distance and the propogation path and the orientation (or call it the polarization) between the two fields in the "ether well" or gravitational effects field, as far as the coupling fields are concerned. Who doesn't understand that? "Ground" is irrelevant, as it does not exist at radio (wireless) distances, but only in local fields, where you have test equipment with one lead marked "ground", for idiots. Terry K -the eleventh technician, who revels in 16 channel data scopes and differential glitches inside the discrete processor core with 75,000 test points, caused by old drum memory bearing wobble, known as "RIMP", for NuDet reporting, long obsolete in NORAD, an early, buggy, phone booth sized workstation connected to arpanet's daddy, defnet, only they didn't tell us that was what "they" called it around the water cooler, while we sat, bomb bait in our fallout shelter "careers". Aargh! I feel as if I wasted my life! Distillation will not remove radioactivity. MAD is our only hope, aside from habeus corpus. Thank God for the crazy Americans. I have no other credentials except my music, which I still cannot transmit on the internet, because weener dozer won't sell me data upload wads at near cost, nor you. Damn! I am getting to hate computers. The last time I plugged a real modem into my computer, the winmodem driver burned out my motherboard centronics printer port. Argh! Phoner25.zip doesn't work on widoze 2000 any more! CRAP! Jump ship! Copy LINUX for free, manuals extra. Write your own drivers. What freedom? I just bought my mortgage as an investment in my SDRRSP, now must pay the bank to supervise foreclosure on myself if I don't pay the debt to myself, so I must pay myself interest, and income tax on the income. Why can I not simply forgive myself the debt? |
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