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GeoffSchultz January 4th 04 01:28 PM

SEA-235 SSB Tuner Problem
 
The antenna is a 23 foot Shakespeare whip. I´ve checked the
connections to it and they appear to be good. I´ve been told that my
signal sounds good although I can only transmit at low power. I would
have thought that at some frequency that the antenna would be tuned.

-- Geoff

Freebee wrote in message . ..
you didn't say what the antenna is - assuming sailboat backstay -
maybe check the condition of the HT wire from the tuner to the
backstay?

On 3 Jan 2004 11:25:06 -0800, (GeoffSchultz)
wrote:

I just got down to my boat on the Rio Dulce in Guatemala and found
that
my SEA-235 SSB tuner isn't tuning. The tuner should automatically
tune


Larry W4CSC January 4th 04 02:02 PM

SEA-235 SSB Tuner Problem
 
On 4 Jan 2004 05:28:37 -0800, (GeoffSchultz)
wrote:

The antenna is a 23 foot Shakespeare whip. I´ve checked the
connections to it and they appear to be good. I´ve been told that my
signal sounds good although I can only transmit at low power. I would
have thought that at some frequency that the antenna would be tuned.

-- Geoff

The wire inside the fiberglass whip has broken and is making
intermittent contact. The only thing that's inside the fiberglass is
a piece of hookup wire wrapped around a form then fiberglassed to form
a continuously loaded shortened whip. They break.

Disconnect the whip from the tuner and haul up a 40-50' piece of wire
hooked to the tuner's high voltage output with insulating line on the
outer end. Any wire will do, even a dropcord. At your dock, haul it
up your neighbor's mast or anything you can get to. Once set, try to
see if the tuner will load the longwire. This will separate the
possible whip problem from the possible tuner problem so we can
determine which of them is the true problem. Don't let the longwire
get near any metal objects. Stand it off any rigging with a boat
cushion or insulating pole if you have to. It also doesn't need to be
string tight.

If it tunes, the whip is toast. If it doesn't send the tuner to the
shop.



Larry W4CSC January 4th 04 02:02 PM

SEA-235 SSB Tuner Problem
 
On 4 Jan 2004 05:28:37 -0800, (GeoffSchultz)
wrote:

The antenna is a 23 foot Shakespeare whip. I´ve checked the
connections to it and they appear to be good. I´ve been told that my
signal sounds good although I can only transmit at low power. I would
have thought that at some frequency that the antenna would be tuned.

-- Geoff

The wire inside the fiberglass whip has broken and is making
intermittent contact. The only thing that's inside the fiberglass is
a piece of hookup wire wrapped around a form then fiberglassed to form
a continuously loaded shortened whip. They break.

Disconnect the whip from the tuner and haul up a 40-50' piece of wire
hooked to the tuner's high voltage output with insulating line on the
outer end. Any wire will do, even a dropcord. At your dock, haul it
up your neighbor's mast or anything you can get to. Once set, try to
see if the tuner will load the longwire. This will separate the
possible whip problem from the possible tuner problem so we can
determine which of them is the true problem. Don't let the longwire
get near any metal objects. Stand it off any rigging with a boat
cushion or insulating pole if you have to. It also doesn't need to be
string tight.

If it tunes, the whip is toast. If it doesn't send the tuner to the
shop.



Brian Whatcott January 4th 04 10:34 PM

SEA-235 SSB Tuner Problem
 
Lessee: 23 feet, say 7 meters is a quarter wave
so a wavelength is 28 meters.
300/28 = 10.7 MHz or a little lower....

The wire in a glass whip can break.
Checking it for resonance would eliminate this possibility.

Brian W

On 4 Jan 2004 05:28:37 -0800, (GeoffSchultz)
wrote:

The antenna is a 23 foot Shakespeare whip. I´ve checked the
connections to it and they appear to be good. I´ve been told that my
signal sounds good although I can only transmit at low power. I would
have thought that at some frequency that the antenna would be tuned.

-- Geoff

Freebee wrote in message . ..
you didn't say what the antenna is - assuming sailboat backstay -
maybe check the condition of the HT wire from the tuner to the
backstay?

On 3 Jan 2004 11:25:06 -0800,
(GeoffSchultz)
wrote:

I just got down to my boat on the Rio Dulce in Guatemala and found
that
my SEA-235 SSB tuner isn't tuning. The tuner should automatically
tune



Brian Whatcott January 4th 04 10:34 PM

SEA-235 SSB Tuner Problem
 
Lessee: 23 feet, say 7 meters is a quarter wave
so a wavelength is 28 meters.
300/28 = 10.7 MHz or a little lower....

The wire in a glass whip can break.
Checking it for resonance would eliminate this possibility.

Brian W

On 4 Jan 2004 05:28:37 -0800, (GeoffSchultz)
wrote:

The antenna is a 23 foot Shakespeare whip. I´ve checked the
connections to it and they appear to be good. I´ve been told that my
signal sounds good although I can only transmit at low power. I would
have thought that at some frequency that the antenna would be tuned.

-- Geoff

Freebee wrote in message . ..
you didn't say what the antenna is - assuming sailboat backstay -
maybe check the condition of the HT wire from the tuner to the
backstay?

On 3 Jan 2004 11:25:06 -0800,
(GeoffSchultz)
wrote:

I just got down to my boat on the Rio Dulce in Guatemala and found
that
my SEA-235 SSB tuner isn't tuning. The tuner should automatically
tune



GeoffSchultz January 5th 04 08:00 PM

SEA-235 SSB Tuner Problem
 
I'm happy to report that I resolved the problem. Thanks for all of
the suggestions. This morning I wired a 50' extension cord as an
antenna and pulled it via a halyard up the mast. The tuner wouldn't
tune, but I noted that I wasn't receiving any WWV frequencies. I
switched back to the whip antenna and I still wasn't getting anything.
I decided to start checking all of the connections and while I was
checking the PLU-59 connection at the transmitter, WWV started to come
in. I played with the connector and decided to replace it.

After replacing the connector I tried tuning and got great tunes (SWRs
between 1.0 and 1.2) and great reception. I'm still very confused as
how I could transmit voice and e-mail over this, but I guess that
there was just enough of a connection, but insufficient for the tuner
to tune.

I learned a lot and really want to thank everyone who helped!

-- Geoff

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote in message . ..
On 3 Jan 2004 11:25:06 -0800, (GeoffSchultz)
wrote:

~~ snip ~~

What I'd like to know is what other tests can I run to diagnose the
problem. Could it be the antennae? Any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated. Just remember that I'm in the middle of nowhere.

Thanks, Geoff


I'm not familiar with that radio, but have you checked the connector
at the radio and at the antenna? Loose ground perhaps?

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
"I object to fishing tournaments less for
what they do to fish than what they do to
fishermen." Ted Williams - 1964


GeoffSchultz January 5th 04 08:00 PM

SEA-235 SSB Tuner Problem
 
I'm happy to report that I resolved the problem. Thanks for all of
the suggestions. This morning I wired a 50' extension cord as an
antenna and pulled it via a halyard up the mast. The tuner wouldn't
tune, but I noted that I wasn't receiving any WWV frequencies. I
switched back to the whip antenna and I still wasn't getting anything.
I decided to start checking all of the connections and while I was
checking the PLU-59 connection at the transmitter, WWV started to come
in. I played with the connector and decided to replace it.

After replacing the connector I tried tuning and got great tunes (SWRs
between 1.0 and 1.2) and great reception. I'm still very confused as
how I could transmit voice and e-mail over this, but I guess that
there was just enough of a connection, but insufficient for the tuner
to tune.

I learned a lot and really want to thank everyone who helped!

-- Geoff

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote in message . ..
On 3 Jan 2004 11:25:06 -0800, (GeoffSchultz)
wrote:

~~ snip ~~

What I'd like to know is what other tests can I run to diagnose the
problem. Could it be the antennae? Any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated. Just remember that I'm in the middle of nowhere.

Thanks, Geoff


I'm not familiar with that radio, but have you checked the connector
at the radio and at the antenna? Loose ground perhaps?

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
"I object to fishing tournaments less for
what they do to fish than what they do to
fishermen." Ted Williams - 1964


Larry W4CSC January 6th 04 05:48 AM

SEA-235 SSB Tuner Problem
 
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 22:34:19 GMT, Brian Whatcott
wrote:

Lessee: 23 feet, say 7 meters is a quarter wave
so a wavelength is 28 meters.
300/28 = 10.7 MHz or a little lower....

The wire in a glass whip can break.
Checking it for resonance would eliminate this possibility.

Brian W

The wire in the whip isn't a straight piece of wire. It's coiled
around a form to form a continuously-loaded shortened whip. The
electrical length of it is considerably longer than 23'. It'll
resonate lower than 10 Mhz somewhere......



Larry W4CSC January 6th 04 05:48 AM

SEA-235 SSB Tuner Problem
 
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 22:34:19 GMT, Brian Whatcott
wrote:

Lessee: 23 feet, say 7 meters is a quarter wave
so a wavelength is 28 meters.
300/28 = 10.7 MHz or a little lower....

The wire in a glass whip can break.
Checking it for resonance would eliminate this possibility.

Brian W

The wire in the whip isn't a straight piece of wire. It's coiled
around a form to form a continuously-loaded shortened whip. The
electrical length of it is considerably longer than 23'. It'll
resonate lower than 10 Mhz somewhere......



Larry W4CSC January 6th 04 05:52 AM

SEA-235 SSB Tuner Problem
 
Glad you solved it, Geoff! Yeah, it's always acceptable to move the
transmitter up a little closer to the coax connectors....(c;

Any SWR under 2:1 is fine. 1.5:1 is only 4% reflected power. 2.0:1
is only 10% reflected power. That's just fine.....except on CB, of
course.

We also don't like these SWR readings at high powered broadcast
stations. 10% of 150 kilowatts makes a LOT of heat and some amazing
standing wave voltages. 10% of 150W is more manageable.



On 5 Jan 2004 12:00:48 -0800, (GeoffSchultz)
wrote:

I'm happy to report that I resolved the problem. Thanks for all of
the suggestions. This morning I wired a 50' extension cord as an
antenna and pulled it via a halyard up the mast. The tuner wouldn't
tune, but I noted that I wasn't receiving any WWV frequencies. I
switched back to the whip antenna and I still wasn't getting anything.
I decided to start checking all of the connections and while I was
checking the PLU-59 connection at the transmitter, WWV started to come
in. I played with the connector and decided to replace it.

After replacing the connector I tried tuning and got great tunes (SWRs
between 1.0 and 1.2) and great reception. I'm still very confused as
how I could transmit voice and e-mail over this, but I guess that
there was just enough of a connection, but insufficient for the tuner
to tune.

I learned a lot and really want to thank everyone who helped!

-- Geoff

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote in message . ..
On 3 Jan 2004 11:25:06 -0800,
(GeoffSchultz)
wrote:

~~ snip ~~

What I'd like to know is what other tests can I run to diagnose the
problem. Could it be the antennae? Any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated. Just remember that I'm in the middle of nowhere.

Thanks, Geoff


I'm not familiar with that radio, but have you checked the connector
at the radio and at the antenna? Loose ground perhaps?

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
"I object to fishing tournaments less for
what they do to fish than what they do to
fishermen." Ted Williams - 1964




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