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HR 2550 may make it illegal to wash your deck
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:36:37 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: "Brian Whatcott" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:31:15 +0700, wrote: Most rigging would shrink more in Winter (but a few would expand when chilled, wouldn'tcha know?) Brian W Well, if you are designing a high tech racing boat why not use high tech synthetic rope for rigging. some of it is stronger then stainless cable and nearly zero stretch. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) I can visualize various combinations of rig and mast , it's true. But a zero-stretch line does not always imply a zero thermal coefficient line, I don't believe. Regards Brian W There is a new rigging material out which is exactly that: high-tech synthetic rope with a protective covering. Don't recall the name of it, but it's very lightweight and exceptionally strong. At least in theory. Jury's still out on how it works in the real world. Take a look at the pendulum of a grandfather clock. They cleverly arrange brass and steel so that the assembly has a zero temperature coefficient. If the rigging stays the same length while the aluminum mast increases in length, the rig will get tighter. Not what you want. Casady |
HR 2550 may make it illegal to wash your deck
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:36:37 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: "Brian Whatcott" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:31:15 +0700, wrote: Most rigging would shrink more in Winter (but a few would expand when chilled, wouldn'tcha know?) Brian W Well, if you are designing a high tech racing boat why not use high tech synthetic rope for rigging. some of it is stronger then stainless cable and nearly zero stretch. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) I can visualize various combinations of rig and mast , it's true. But a zero-stretch line does not always imply a zero thermal coefficient line, I don't believe. Regards Brian W There is a new rigging material out which is exactly that: high-tech synthetic rope with a protective covering. Don't recall the name of it, but it's very lightweight and exceptionally strong. At least in theory. Jury's still out on how it works in the real world. Going back at least ten years a Farr 40-something, named Millennium, was using some sort of high strength synthetic for running back stays. Of course, these really only have to be low stretch but it shows a trend. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) |
HR 2550 may make it illegal to wash your deck
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HR 2550 may make it illegal to wash your deck
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:45:04 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:21:59 +0700, wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:36:37 -0500, "KLC Lewis" wrote: "Brian Whatcott" wrote in message ... On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:31:15 +0700, wrote: Most rigging would shrink more in Winter (but a few would expand when chilled, wouldn'tcha know?) Brian W Well, if you are designing a high tech racing boat why not use high tech synthetic rope for rigging. some of it is stronger then stainless cable and nearly zero stretch. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) I can visualize various combinations of rig and mast , it's true. But a zero-stretch line does not always imply a zero thermal coefficient line, I don't believe. Regards Brian W There is a new rigging material out which is exactly that: high-tech synthetic rope with a protective covering. Don't recall the name of it, but it's very lightweight and exceptionally strong. At least in theory. Jury's still out on how it works in the real world. Going back at least ten years a Farr 40-something, named Millennium, was using some sort of high strength synthetic for running back stays. Of course, these really only have to be low stretch but it shows a trend. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) What happens if you nick it with something sharp? I could saw on my stainless shrouds with a serrated knife for an hour without the rig coming down. I see the same problem with using high tech lines for lifelines. Far too susceptible to abrasion and cutting. Its horses for courses. If you are serious about racing a keel boat and you discover that you can lay hands on some super synthetic line that is stronger then wire rope, lighter then wire rope, doesn't stretch and lasts at least one race then you'll use it and any deck ape that saws on your rigging gets tossed over the side. These people are different then your normal cruiser =;-) Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) |
HR 2550 may make it illegal to wash your deck
"Dave" wrote in message ... On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:46:39 +0700, said: As far as your latin terms they are seldom if ever used in written contracts. In fact the only non English term I have commonly seen in contracts is "force majeure" and the term is always followed by a section describing every possible action that may be considered force majeure. Quite right, Bruce. But you must understand that Neal's perception of what lawyers do is more than a little myopic. It seems to derive almost entirely from watching a great deal of Perry Mason and from some rather pathetic attempts to act as his own lawyer in traffic court. Wilbur's perspective, you dolt! And, if my "pathetic" attempts in traffic court resulted in a dismissed case against the chief of police of a local burg then how pathetic was the chief? One could tell the judge was on the chief's side from the very beginning of the proceedings (in traffic court you are presumed guilty and will be judged guilty unless and until you can prove your innocence) but I proved, using state law itself and legal definitions within the body of the law, that the statute the chief cited me for violating [316.2065(6)] did not even apply - could not apply, for that matter. I proved it so convincingly that the judge had to reluctantly find in my favor. I gave him no outs, no wiggle room, no place to run and no place to hide. It all revolved around the definition of "roadway." Apparently, in all his long years of law enforcement, the chief did not even know the legal definition of "roadway." ****ing retard! Took the smirk right off that chief's face, yes siree! Was worth showing up in court just to see his crestfallen look. I wonder how many times he'd gotten away with that same crap in the past just because no cyclist was ballsy enough to walk into traffic court and intelligent enough call his bluff and make it stick. I'd have made an extraordinary lawyer but I have scruples so that occupation is not for me. Wilbur Hubbard |
HR 2550 may make it illegal to wash your deck
On Sep 17, 5:36 pm, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
... There is a new rigging material out which is exactly that: high-tech synthetic rope with a protective covering. Don't recall the name of it, but it's very lightweight and exceptionally strong. At least in theory. Jury's still out on how it works in the real world. PBO covered with cheaper (!) carbon is available from several suppliers. It has been used for years by all of the top long distance racers with good results. In the lab it lasts longer than wire but it is very vulnerable to UV attack (hence the carbon outer layer). The expense and need to keep it perfectly covered make PBO an unlikely choice for cruising. There is a new version of Dynema that was specifically developed for standing rigging. Dynema (made under license as Spectra in the US) is great stuff and ideal for rigging except that it is subject to creep (slow, plastic elongation under continuous load). Dynema sk 78 greatly reduces creep and is as good or better than PBO on paper and it is much cheaper. It may well be the future of rigging even for cruising boats but for now wire, rod or dyeform are the only really attractive options for high load standing rigging on cruising boats. -- Tom. |
HR 2550 may make it illegal to wash your deck
"Dave" wrote in message ... On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:24:28 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" said: Quite right, Bruce. But you must understand that Neal's perception of what lawyers do is more than a little myopic. It seems to derive almost entirely from watching a great deal of Perry Mason and from some rather pathetic attempts to act as his own lawyer in traffic court. And, if my "pathetic" attempts in traffic court resulted in a dismissed case against the chief of police of a local burg then how pathetic was the chief? One could tell the judge was on the chief's side from the very beginning of the proceedings (in traffic court you are presumed guilty and will be judged guilty unless and until you can prove your innocence) but I proved, using state law itself and legal definitions within the body of the law, that the statute the chief cited me for violating [316.2065(6)] did not even apply - could not apply, for that matter. I proved it so convincingly that the judge had to reluctantly find in my favor. I gave him no outs, no wiggle room, no place to run and no place to hide. It all revolved around the definition of "roadway." Apparently, in all his long years of law enforcement, the chief did not even know the legal definition of "roadway." Q.E.D. You had a case? Coulda fooled me, boy! I suspect Neal (Wilbur) has never known a lawyer who doesn't try cases in court. One of my Nephews is a lawyer - a patent lawyer and copyright, I think. That kinda legal stuff. Wilbur Hubbard |
Hey Neal--check your socks!
"Dave" wrote in message ... On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:24:28 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" said: the statute the chief cited me for violating [316.2065(6)] did not even apply Neal, you gotta be a bit more careful about which sock you're wearing today. The last time you told that story you were being Ellen MacArthur in .asa. So, maybe the same ignorant chief gave both of us tickets. Ellen's my main squeeze. Those idiots over in asa were so rude she just said, '**** em' and lost interest. Wilbur Hubbard |
HR 2550 may make it illegal to wash your deck
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:32:23 -0700, "
wrote: On Sep 17, 5:36 pm, "KLC Lewis" wrote: ... There is a new rigging material out which is exactly that: high-tech synthetic rope with a protective covering. Don't recall the name of it, but it's very lightweight and exceptionally strong. At least in theory. Jury's still out on how it works in the real world. PBO covered with cheaper (!) carbon is available from several suppliers. It has been used for years by all of the top long distance racers with good results. In the lab it lasts longer than wire but it is very vulnerable to UV attack (hence the carbon outer layer). The expense and need to keep it perfectly covered make PBO an unlikely choice for cruising. There is a new version of Dynema that was specifically developed for standing rigging. Dynema (made under license as Spectra in the US) is great stuff and ideal for rigging except that it is subject to creep (slow, plastic elongation under continuous load). Dynema sk 78 greatly reduces creep and is as good or better than PBO on paper and it is much cheaper. It may well be the future of rigging even for cruising boats but for now wire, rod or dyeform are the only really attractive options for high load standing rigging on cruising boats. What's wrong with galvanized? My father used it on his 20 foot schooner. It was enormously stronger than it really needed to be. Used four months a year, on fresh water, no test of longevity. Casady |
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