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FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
Well, I got a nice little Christmas present, a pair of Motorola T4500 FRS
(or so I thought) radios. Seems that these broadcast on both the FRS (Family Radio Service) channels and the newer GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service) frequencies. When FRS came out, they were nice little radios that didn't require a license, and had a good range, relatively inexpensive, etc. Of course, somebody couldn't leave good enough, so they came out with the GMRS frequencies. The radios use a higher power on the GMRS frequencies. Well guess what? To be strictly legal, you have to get a license for these new GMRS frequencies. $75 for 5 years from the FCC, you have to fill out forms 605 and 159. Now, I can of course operate these radios on channels 8-14 ONLY without a license and be legal, because these are the old FRS frequencies. Sheesh, the license is more than the radios! Now how many folks who got these for Christmas do you think are going to apply for an FCC license? Sure reminds me of the old CB radio days. Just another taxation scheme. |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
I got some and am going through the same headache. To make matters worse I
heard someone made a mistake on his form so the FCC did not grant him a license. They did however cash his $75 check. I am not sure how it ended. "Keith" wrote in message ... Well, I got a nice little Christmas present, a pair of Motorola T4500 FRS (or so I thought) radios. Seems that these broadcast on both the FRS (Family Radio Service) channels and the newer GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service) frequencies. When FRS came out, they were nice little radios that didn't require a license, and had a good range, relatively inexpensive, etc. Of course, somebody couldn't leave good enough, so they came out with the GMRS frequencies. The radios use a higher power on the GMRS frequencies. Well guess what? To be strictly legal, you have to get a license for these new GMRS frequencies. $75 for 5 years from the FCC, you have to fill out forms 605 and 159. Now, I can of course operate these radios on channels 8-14 ONLY without a license and be legal, because these are the old FRS frequencies. Sheesh, the license is more than the radios! Now how many folks who got these for Christmas do you think are going to apply for an FCC license? Sure reminds me of the old CB radio days. Just another taxation scheme. |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
I got some and am going through the same headache. To make matters worse I
heard someone made a mistake on his form so the FCC did not grant him a license. They did however cash his $75 check. I am not sure how it ended. "Keith" wrote in message ... Well, I got a nice little Christmas present, a pair of Motorola T4500 FRS (or so I thought) radios. Seems that these broadcast on both the FRS (Family Radio Service) channels and the newer GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service) frequencies. When FRS came out, they were nice little radios that didn't require a license, and had a good range, relatively inexpensive, etc. Of course, somebody couldn't leave good enough, so they came out with the GMRS frequencies. The radios use a higher power on the GMRS frequencies. Well guess what? To be strictly legal, you have to get a license for these new GMRS frequencies. $75 for 5 years from the FCC, you have to fill out forms 605 and 159. Now, I can of course operate these radios on channels 8-14 ONLY without a license and be legal, because these are the old FRS frequencies. Sheesh, the license is more than the radios! Now how many folks who got these for Christmas do you think are going to apply for an FCC license? Sure reminds me of the old CB radio days. Just another taxation scheme. |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
In the early 70's the CB band also required a license. When the "CB boom"
hit in the mid 70's, the FCC found it didn't have the resources to handle the huge influx of applications, or the the resources to enforce people operating without a liscense. So to save face - they threw the service open to free usage. To date, I've never heard of a case of FCC enforcement on CB that didn't involve numerous complaints about the same operator coupled with the FCC being spoon fed the location of the offender. These complaints always involved very excessive power, or extremely profane operation. Unliscensed operation was way too petty to squander resources on. -W "Keith" wrote in message Now how many folks who got these for Christmas do you think are going to apply for an FCC license? Sure reminds me of the old CB radio days. Just another taxation scheme. |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
In the early 70's the CB band also required a license. When the "CB boom"
hit in the mid 70's, the FCC found it didn't have the resources to handle the huge influx of applications, or the the resources to enforce people operating without a liscense. So to save face - they threw the service open to free usage. To date, I've never heard of a case of FCC enforcement on CB that didn't involve numerous complaints about the same operator coupled with the FCC being spoon fed the location of the offender. These complaints always involved very excessive power, or extremely profane operation. Unliscensed operation was way too petty to squander resources on. -W "Keith" wrote in message Now how many folks who got these for Christmas do you think are going to apply for an FCC license? Sure reminds me of the old CB radio days. Just another taxation scheme. |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
In article ,
"Keith" wrote: Well, I got a nice little Christmas present, a pair of Motorola T4500 FRS (or so I thought) radios. Seems that these broadcast on both the FRS (Family Radio Service) channels and the newer GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service) frequencies. When FRS came out, they were nice little radios that didn't require a license, and had a good range, relatively inexpensive, etc. Of course, somebody couldn't leave good enough, so they came out with the GMRS frequencies. The radios use a higher power on the GMRS frequencies. Well guess what? To be strictly legal, you have to get a license for these new GMRS frequencies. $75 for 5 years from the FCC, you have to fill out forms 605 and 159. Now, I can of course operate these radios on channels 8-14 ONLY without a license and be legal, because these are the old FRS frequencies. Sheesh, the license is more than the radios! Now how many folks who got these for Christmas do you think are going to apply for an FCC license? Sure reminds me of the old CB radio days. Just another taxation scheme. If you actually knew what you were talking about you would be DANGEROUS. GMRS predates FRS by only about 30 years. FRS is an unlisensed Service because the power of the radio's is small. GMRS Radios have more power and therefor are capable of interfering with other radio systems that SHARE the same frequencies. This is why they are LICENSED, so that if you interfere with someone else's LICENSED system, they can identify you and get you to STOP. If you aren't capable of filling out the LICENSE FORM or can't AFFORD the fee, then you need to stay on FRS or CB where Mooron's belong. me |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
In article ,
"Keith" wrote: Well, I got a nice little Christmas present, a pair of Motorola T4500 FRS (or so I thought) radios. Seems that these broadcast on both the FRS (Family Radio Service) channels and the newer GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service) frequencies. When FRS came out, they were nice little radios that didn't require a license, and had a good range, relatively inexpensive, etc. Of course, somebody couldn't leave good enough, so they came out with the GMRS frequencies. The radios use a higher power on the GMRS frequencies. Well guess what? To be strictly legal, you have to get a license for these new GMRS frequencies. $75 for 5 years from the FCC, you have to fill out forms 605 and 159. Now, I can of course operate these radios on channels 8-14 ONLY without a license and be legal, because these are the old FRS frequencies. Sheesh, the license is more than the radios! Now how many folks who got these for Christmas do you think are going to apply for an FCC license? Sure reminds me of the old CB radio days. Just another taxation scheme. If you actually knew what you were talking about you would be DANGEROUS. GMRS predates FRS by only about 30 years. FRS is an unlisensed Service because the power of the radio's is small. GMRS Radios have more power and therefor are capable of interfering with other radio systems that SHARE the same frequencies. This is why they are LICENSED, so that if you interfere with someone else's LICENSED system, they can identify you and get you to STOP. If you aren't capable of filling out the LICENSE FORM or can't AFFORD the fee, then you need to stay on FRS or CB where Mooron's belong. me |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:01:34 -0600, "Keith"
wrote: Well, I got a nice little Christmas present, a pair of Motorola T4500 FRS (or so I thought) radios. Seems that these broadcast on both the FRS (Family Radio Service) channels and the newer GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service) frequencies. When FRS came out, they were nice little radios that didn't require a license, and had a good range, relatively inexpensive, etc. Of course, somebody couldn't leave good enough, so they came out with the GMRS frequencies. The radios use a higher power on the GMRS frequencies. Well guess what? To be strictly legal, you have to get a license for these new GMRS frequencies. $75 for 5 years from the FCC, you have to fill out forms 605 and 159. Now, I can of course operate these radios on channels 8-14 ONLY without a license and be legal, because these are the old FRS frequencies. Sheesh, the license is more than the radios! Now how many folks who got these for Christmas do you think are going to apply for an FCC license? Sure reminds me of the old CB radio days. Just another taxation scheme. Answer - Zero......and I suspect the bureaucrats at the FCC know it. Notice to government - You cannot arrest thousands of GMRS illegal users, no more than you could arrest thousands of 10KW CB operators...... Larry W4CSC NNNN |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:01:34 -0600, "Keith"
wrote: Well, I got a nice little Christmas present, a pair of Motorola T4500 FRS (or so I thought) radios. Seems that these broadcast on both the FRS (Family Radio Service) channels and the newer GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service) frequencies. When FRS came out, they were nice little radios that didn't require a license, and had a good range, relatively inexpensive, etc. Of course, somebody couldn't leave good enough, so they came out with the GMRS frequencies. The radios use a higher power on the GMRS frequencies. Well guess what? To be strictly legal, you have to get a license for these new GMRS frequencies. $75 for 5 years from the FCC, you have to fill out forms 605 and 159. Now, I can of course operate these radios on channels 8-14 ONLY without a license and be legal, because these are the old FRS frequencies. Sheesh, the license is more than the radios! Now how many folks who got these for Christmas do you think are going to apply for an FCC license? Sure reminds me of the old CB radio days. Just another taxation scheme. Answer - Zero......and I suspect the bureaucrats at the FCC know it. Notice to government - You cannot arrest thousands of GMRS illegal users, no more than you could arrest thousands of 10KW CB operators...... Larry W4CSC NNNN |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:21:40 GMT, Me wrote:
If you actually knew what you were talking about you would be DANGEROUS. GMRS predates FRS by only about 30 years. FRS is an unlisensed Service because the power of the radio's is small. GMRS Radios have more power and therefor are capable of interfering with other radio systems that SHARE the same frequencies. This is why they are LICENSED, so that if you interfere with someone else's LICENSED system, they can identify you and get you to STOP. If you aren't capable of filling out the LICENSE FORM or can't AFFORD the fee, then you need to stay on FRS or CB where Mooron's belong. me Back behind the scenes at all this 2-way-radio nonsense, there's someone who's been pulling the FCC's string for decades. It's M-O-T-O-R-O_)$(&@#_)(%&_)(#$*_)@(#&^%_)NO CARRIER Larry W4CSC NNNN |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:21:40 GMT, Me wrote:
If you actually knew what you were talking about you would be DANGEROUS. GMRS predates FRS by only about 30 years. FRS is an unlisensed Service because the power of the radio's is small. GMRS Radios have more power and therefor are capable of interfering with other radio systems that SHARE the same frequencies. This is why they are LICENSED, so that if you interfere with someone else's LICENSED system, they can identify you and get you to STOP. If you aren't capable of filling out the LICENSE FORM or can't AFFORD the fee, then you need to stay on FRS or CB where Mooron's belong. me Back behind the scenes at all this 2-way-radio nonsense, there's someone who's been pulling the FCC's string for decades. It's M-O-T-O-R-O_)$(&@#_)(%&_)(#$*_)@(#&^%_)NO CARRIER Larry W4CSC NNNN |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
Well, "Me", what a nice Christmas attitude you project, and to the whole
world! Ignorance can be solved with education; I doubt there is such a simple cure for your clearly displayed malady. "Me" wrote in message ... In article , "Keith" wrote: Well, I got a nice little Christmas present, a pair of Motorola T4500 FRS (or so I thought) radios. Seems that these broadcast on both the FRS (Family Radio Service) channels and the newer GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service) frequencies. When FRS came out, they were nice little radios that didn't require a license, and had a good range, relatively inexpensive, etc. Of course, somebody couldn't leave good enough, so they came out with the GMRS frequencies. The radios use a higher power on the GMRS frequencies. Well guess what? To be strictly legal, you have to get a license for these new GMRS frequencies. $75 for 5 years from the FCC, you have to fill out forms 605 and 159. Now, I can of course operate these radios on channels 8-14 ONLY without a license and be legal, because these are the old FRS frequencies. Sheesh, the license is more than the radios! Now how many folks who got these for Christmas do you think are going to apply for an FCC license? Sure reminds me of the old CB radio days. Just another taxation scheme. If you actually knew what you were talking about you would be DANGEROUS. GMRS predates FRS by only about 30 years. FRS is an unlisensed Service because the power of the radio's is small. GMRS Radios have more power and therefor are capable of interfering with other radio systems that SHARE the same frequencies. This is why they are LICENSED, so that if you interfere with someone else's LICENSED system, they can identify you and get you to STOP. If you aren't capable of filling out the LICENSE FORM or can't AFFORD the fee, then you need to stay on FRS or CB where Mooron's belong. me |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
Well, "Me", what a nice Christmas attitude you project, and to the whole
world! Ignorance can be solved with education; I doubt there is such a simple cure for your clearly displayed malady. "Me" wrote in message ... In article , "Keith" wrote: Well, I got a nice little Christmas present, a pair of Motorola T4500 FRS (or so I thought) radios. Seems that these broadcast on both the FRS (Family Radio Service) channels and the newer GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service) frequencies. When FRS came out, they were nice little radios that didn't require a license, and had a good range, relatively inexpensive, etc. Of course, somebody couldn't leave good enough, so they came out with the GMRS frequencies. The radios use a higher power on the GMRS frequencies. Well guess what? To be strictly legal, you have to get a license for these new GMRS frequencies. $75 for 5 years from the FCC, you have to fill out forms 605 and 159. Now, I can of course operate these radios on channels 8-14 ONLY without a license and be legal, because these are the old FRS frequencies. Sheesh, the license is more than the radios! Now how many folks who got these for Christmas do you think are going to apply for an FCC license? Sure reminds me of the old CB radio days. Just another taxation scheme. If you actually knew what you were talking about you would be DANGEROUS. GMRS predates FRS by only about 30 years. FRS is an unlisensed Service because the power of the radio's is small. GMRS Radios have more power and therefor are capable of interfering with other radio systems that SHARE the same frequencies. This is why they are LICENSED, so that if you interfere with someone else's LICENSED system, they can identify you and get you to STOP. If you aren't capable of filling out the LICENSE FORM or can't AFFORD the fee, then you need to stay on FRS or CB where Mooron's belong. me |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
The frequencies that are open to to the GMRS are in the little used
'business section' of the UHF band, and these frequencies have had license requirements for years... so whats your bitch? Does that mean Im due a refund after all these years? ... you know that answer. |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
The frequencies that are open to to the GMRS are in the little used
'business section' of the UHF band, and these frequencies have had license requirements for years... so whats your bitch? Does that mean Im due a refund after all these years? ... you know that answer. |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
Actuallly it was Radio Shack on this one......
In article , Larry W4CSC wrote: On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:21:40 GMT, Me wrote: If you actually knew what you were talking about you would be DANGEROUS. GMRS predates FRS by only about 30 years. FRS is an unlisensed Service because the power of the radio's is small. GMRS Radios have more power and therefor are capable of interfering with other radio systems that SHARE the same frequencies. This is why they are LICENSED, so that if you interfere with someone else's LICENSED system, they can identify you and get you to STOP. If you aren't capable of filling out the LICENSE FORM or can't AFFORD the fee, then you need to stay on FRS or CB where Mooron's belong. me Back behind the scenes at all this 2-way-radio nonsense, there's someone who's been pulling the FCC's string for decades. It's M-O-T-O-R-O_)$(&@#_)(%&_)(#$*_)@(#&^%_)NO CARRIER Larry W4CSC NNNN |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
Actuallly it was Radio Shack on this one......
In article , Larry W4CSC wrote: On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:21:40 GMT, Me wrote: If you actually knew what you were talking about you would be DANGEROUS. GMRS predates FRS by only about 30 years. FRS is an unlisensed Service because the power of the radio's is small. GMRS Radios have more power and therefor are capable of interfering with other radio systems that SHARE the same frequencies. This is why they are LICENSED, so that if you interfere with someone else's LICENSED system, they can identify you and get you to STOP. If you aren't capable of filling out the LICENSE FORM or can't AFFORD the fee, then you need to stay on FRS or CB where Mooron's belong. me Back behind the scenes at all this 2-way-radio nonsense, there's someone who's been pulling the FCC's string for decades. It's M-O-T-O-R-O_)$(&@#_)(%&_)(#$*_)@(#&^%_)NO CARRIER Larry W4CSC NNNN |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
You need not bother with licensing of those radios. You are not on
frequencies that anyone would worry about and you will never, ever have a representative of the FCC or the DOC ask you for a radio license. Don't pay the fees simply use them professionally and you will not have to worry. Especially in Canada, everyone already has those FRS radios, I mean everyone so the DOC wouldn't even think of having a crew out asking, they simply do not have the resources available. "Rich Hampel" wrote in message ... The frequencies that are open to to the GMRS are in the little used 'business section' of the UHF band, and these frequencies have had license requirements for years... so whats your bitch? Does that mean Im due a refund after all these years? ... you know that answer. |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
You need not bother with licensing of those radios. You are not on
frequencies that anyone would worry about and you will never, ever have a representative of the FCC or the DOC ask you for a radio license. Don't pay the fees simply use them professionally and you will not have to worry. Especially in Canada, everyone already has those FRS radios, I mean everyone so the DOC wouldn't even think of having a crew out asking, they simply do not have the resources available. "Rich Hampel" wrote in message ... The frequencies that are open to to the GMRS are in the little used 'business section' of the UHF band, and these frequencies have had license requirements for years... so whats your bitch? Does that mean Im due a refund after all these years? ... you know that answer. |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
Now we know why you sign in lower case, me.
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FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
Now we know why you sign in lower case, me.
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FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
My point was in the marketing of the radios. They marketed those FRS radios
for several years basically saying "you don't need a license!" Then they add the GMRS frequencies, but don't really tell anybody that they'll need a license that costs more than the radios to operate them legally. The folks that bought them for me had no idea that we'd need licences. I was only trying to notify those folks who didn't know. Good luck to the FCC trying to enforce those laws with the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of those radios that are out there now unlicenced. You think any of them who gave their kids a pair for Christmas are going to say... "now wait 'till we get a FCC licence honey!" Nah. "Rich Hampel" wrote in message ... The frequencies that are open to to the GMRS are in the little used 'business section' of the UHF band, and these frequencies have had license requirements for years... so whats your bitch? Does that mean Im due a refund after all these years? ... you know that answer. |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
My point was in the marketing of the radios. They marketed those FRS radios
for several years basically saying "you don't need a license!" Then they add the GMRS frequencies, but don't really tell anybody that they'll need a license that costs more than the radios to operate them legally. The folks that bought them for me had no idea that we'd need licences. I was only trying to notify those folks who didn't know. Good luck to the FCC trying to enforce those laws with the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of those radios that are out there now unlicenced. You think any of them who gave their kids a pair for Christmas are going to say... "now wait 'till we get a FCC licence honey!" Nah. "Rich Hampel" wrote in message ... The frequencies that are open to to the GMRS are in the little used 'business section' of the UHF band, and these frequencies have had license requirements for years... so whats your bitch? Does that mean Im due a refund after all these years? ... you know that answer. |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:09:12 GMT, Rich Hampel
wrote: Actuallly it was Radio Shack on this one...... No, Moto is the reason it has a 1/2w transmitter and the private license fees are so rediculously high for other services. Motorola wants everyone that needs a walkie talkie to buy TRUNKED RADIO SERVICE from, who else, THEM! A friend of mine applied to the private licensing contractor the FCC uses to get a 150 Mhz band system license to put up a nice repeater with a couple of base stations and a bunch of mobiles. He's in the paging business and has been for 30+ years. They actually tried to pull a fast one and told him there were no licenses available....until he filed suit in court. Suddenly, all those dead 150 Mhz frequencies we had been monitoring for 6 months WERE, in fact, available for license. One of Moto's strings must have broken. One of the nice walkies is sitting on my desk. I heard him calling his wife, earlier. We even have a telephone interconnect I can use if my cellphone coverage sucks. The repeater runs high power from 800' up a tower and my 7 watt walkie works 70 miles inland. My point was Motorola doesn't WANT you to have private, untaxed communications over a mile or so.....see? |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:09:12 GMT, Rich Hampel
wrote: Actuallly it was Radio Shack on this one...... No, Moto is the reason it has a 1/2w transmitter and the private license fees are so rediculously high for other services. Motorola wants everyone that needs a walkie talkie to buy TRUNKED RADIO SERVICE from, who else, THEM! A friend of mine applied to the private licensing contractor the FCC uses to get a 150 Mhz band system license to put up a nice repeater with a couple of base stations and a bunch of mobiles. He's in the paging business and has been for 30+ years. They actually tried to pull a fast one and told him there were no licenses available....until he filed suit in court. Suddenly, all those dead 150 Mhz frequencies we had been monitoring for 6 months WERE, in fact, available for license. One of Moto's strings must have broken. One of the nice walkies is sitting on my desk. I heard him calling his wife, earlier. We even have a telephone interconnect I can use if my cellphone coverage sucks. The repeater runs high power from 800' up a tower and my 7 watt walkie works 70 miles inland. My point was Motorola doesn't WANT you to have private, untaxed communications over a mile or so.....see? |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 07:02:38 -0600, "Keith"
wrote: My point was in the marketing of the radios. They marketed those FRS radios for several years basically saying "you don't need a license!" Then they add the GMRS frequencies, but don't really tell anybody that they'll need a license that costs more than the radios to operate them legally. The folks that bought them for me had no idea that we'd need licences. I was only trying to notify those folks who didn't know. Good luck to the FCC trying to enforce those laws with the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of those radios that are out there now unlicenced. You think any of them who gave their kids a pair for Christmas are going to say... "now wait 'till we get a FCC licence honey!" Nah. I think the most annoying part is that the average citizen can play dumb, but a licensed ham or commercial operator will take a big hit because "we know better", even though paying $75 to use a $20 radio is a bit silly. Joe N3HGB |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 07:02:38 -0600, "Keith"
wrote: My point was in the marketing of the radios. They marketed those FRS radios for several years basically saying "you don't need a license!" Then they add the GMRS frequencies, but don't really tell anybody that they'll need a license that costs more than the radios to operate them legally. The folks that bought them for me had no idea that we'd need licences. I was only trying to notify those folks who didn't know. Good luck to the FCC trying to enforce those laws with the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of those radios that are out there now unlicenced. You think any of them who gave their kids a pair for Christmas are going to say... "now wait 'till we get a FCC licence honey!" Nah. I think the most annoying part is that the average citizen can play dumb, but a licensed ham or commercial operator will take a big hit because "we know better", even though paying $75 to use a $20 radio is a bit silly. Joe N3HGB |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
Yup. Knowledge is expensive.
-WA1MKH "Joe Della Barba " wrote in message I think the most annoying part is that the average citizen can play dumb, but a licensed ham or commercial operator will take a big hit because "we know better", even though paying $75 to use a $20 radio is a bit silly. Joe N3HGB |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
Yup. Knowledge is expensive.
-WA1MKH "Joe Della Barba " wrote in message I think the most annoying part is that the average citizen can play dumb, but a licensed ham or commercial operator will take a big hit because "we know better", even though paying $75 to use a $20 radio is a bit silly. Joe N3HGB |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
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FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
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FRS / GMRS Radio ----- "tweaking"
I get your message! nothing like a captive market/audience.
'nother question: since these GMRS radios are so close in frequency to the UHF business bands, can they be 'tweaked' to these frequencies --- a la 464 mHz???? |
FRS / GMRS Radio ----- "tweaking"
I get your message! nothing like a captive market/audience.
'nother question: since these GMRS radios are so close in frequency to the UHF business bands, can they be 'tweaked' to these frequencies --- a la 464 mHz???? |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
GMRS has been out many, many more years than FRS. Originally designed for
the service they now provide. The rules established at that time required a license. As with all things Government, it is much easier to establish a law than to change it. Many use GMRS without licensing altho' strictly you are supposed to get one. "Keith" wrote in message ... Well, I got a nice little Christmas present, a pair of Motorola T4500 FRS (or so I thought) radios. Seems that these broadcast on both the FRS (Family Radio Service) channels and the newer GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service) frequencies. When FRS came out, they were nice little radios that didn't require a license, and had a good range, relatively inexpensive, etc. Of course, somebody couldn't leave good enough, so they came out with the GMRS frequencies. The radios use a higher power on the GMRS frequencies. Well guess what? To be strictly legal, you have to get a license for these new GMRS frequencies. $75 for 5 years from the FCC, you have to fill out forms 605 and 159. Now, I can of course operate these radios on channels 8-14 ONLY without a license and be legal, because these are the old FRS frequencies. Sheesh, the license is more than the radios! Now how many folks who got these for Christmas do you think are going to apply for an FCC license? Sure reminds me of the old CB radio days. Just another taxation scheme. |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
GMRS has been out many, many more years than FRS. Originally designed for
the service they now provide. The rules established at that time required a license. As with all things Government, it is much easier to establish a law than to change it. Many use GMRS without licensing altho' strictly you are supposed to get one. "Keith" wrote in message ... Well, I got a nice little Christmas present, a pair of Motorola T4500 FRS (or so I thought) radios. Seems that these broadcast on both the FRS (Family Radio Service) channels and the newer GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service) frequencies. When FRS came out, they were nice little radios that didn't require a license, and had a good range, relatively inexpensive, etc. Of course, somebody couldn't leave good enough, so they came out with the GMRS frequencies. The radios use a higher power on the GMRS frequencies. Well guess what? To be strictly legal, you have to get a license for these new GMRS frequencies. $75 for 5 years from the FCC, you have to fill out forms 605 and 159. Now, I can of course operate these radios on channels 8-14 ONLY without a license and be legal, because these are the old FRS frequencies. Sheesh, the license is more than the radios! Now how many folks who got these for Christmas do you think are going to apply for an FCC license? Sure reminds me of the old CB radio days. Just another taxation scheme. |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
Gotta love this clown.
He begins his mean mouthed post by insulting the original poster's intelligence when asking a reasonable question and then follows with: "Unlisensed" which presumably means "unlicensed" "therefor" which presumably means "therefore" and ends his uncalled for "mouth off" by calling the orignal poster a "MOORON" which presumably was meant to mean "moron" Only a MORON can't spell MORON. No wonder you're so insecure. "Me", you're an idiot...or maybe I should spell it idjut so's youz can figures it out fer yurself? Me wrote If you actually knew what you were talking about you would be DANGEROUS. GMRS predates FRS by only about 30 years. FRS is an unlisensed Service because the power of the radio's is small. GMRS Radios have more power and therefor are capable of interfering with other radio systems that SHARE the same frequencies. This is why they are LICENSED, so that if you interfere with someone else's LICENSED system, they can identify you and get you to STOP. If you aren't capable of filling out the LICENSE FORM or can't AFFORD the fee, then you need to stay on FRS or CB where Mooron's belong. me |
FRS / GMRS Radio FCC licensing
Gotta love this clown.
He begins his mean mouthed post by insulting the original poster's intelligence when asking a reasonable question and then follows with: "Unlisensed" which presumably means "unlicensed" "therefor" which presumably means "therefore" and ends his uncalled for "mouth off" by calling the orignal poster a "MOORON" which presumably was meant to mean "moron" Only a MORON can't spell MORON. No wonder you're so insecure. "Me", you're an idiot...or maybe I should spell it idjut so's youz can figures it out fer yurself? Me wrote If you actually knew what you were talking about you would be DANGEROUS. GMRS predates FRS by only about 30 years. FRS is an unlisensed Service because the power of the radio's is small. GMRS Radios have more power and therefor are capable of interfering with other radio systems that SHARE the same frequencies. This is why they are LICENSED, so that if you interfere with someone else's LICENSED system, they can identify you and get you to STOP. If you aren't capable of filling out the LICENSE FORM or can't AFFORD the fee, then you need to stay on FRS or CB where Mooron's belong. me |
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