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Hi all,
My first post to this newsgroup. I have been perusing the posts for several months now. I couple of thoughts that I would like some general advice on please. Within five years I would like to say goodbye to the sod forever. I am now 46 years old. I am a sailor. I have held my MMD for over 22 years now and I am an extremely proficient navigator with or without electricity. (Yes, I can swing a sextant.) However, except for a few short stints running supply boats out of New Iberia and working on a few tourist boats in Boston and Key West, almost all of my experience has been aboard ships. Not boats. I have zero experience with sails. I wish to travel alone. I wish to not be limited in where and what waters I travel. Wanting to cruise and live aboard I am aware that a sailboat is far and away my most self reliant and economical choice. I am looking mostly at motorsailers when I drool over the "boats for sale". So, the advice I need? Size limits? Types of hulls and rigging to be seeking? Price ranges? How stupid would I be to consider purchasing a salvage or neglected vessel and begin a five year rebuild? Thanks in advance... Ric Hamel -- "I regret that I am now to die in the belief that the useless sacrifice of themselves by the generation of 1776 to acquire self-government and happiness to their country is to be thrown away by the unwise and unworthy passions of their sons. My only consolation is to be that I will live not to weep over it." Thomas Jefferson |
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On Aug 17, 7:45 pm, "Alaskan420" wrote:
Hi all, My first post to this newsgroup. I have been perusing the posts for several months now. Ric Hamel Hello Ric: If this is a real post and not some troll I would be pleased to tell you what I did and why. But not here. Send me an email if you want. This neighborhood has really gone down hill recently. Interestingly, we are at opposite ends of the pipe. Bob |
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Yeah, thats the way!
Take any useful information completely out of the group, so the signal to noise ratio gets even more depressing! We dont want any on topic posts here thank you very much ;-) Shaun "Bob" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 17, 7:45 pm, "Alaskan420" wrote: Hi all, My first post to this newsgroup. I have been perusing the posts for several months now. Ric Hamel Hello Ric: If this is a real post and not some troll I would be pleased to tell you what I did and why. But not here. Send me an email if you want. This neighborhood has really gone down hill recently. Interestingly, we are at opposite ends of the pipe. Bob |
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On Aug 17, 9:21 pm, "Shaun Van Poecke"
wrote: Yeah, thats the way! Take any useful information completely out of the group, so the signal to noise ratio gets even more depressing! We dont want any on topic posts here thank you very much ;-) Shaun Well ya cant blame me mate. I was a Norton Interstate rider for over 12 years. Ya know how thoes blokes are ;) 4.10-19 Ahh nuttin like a pair of K81s Bob |
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"Alaskan420" wrote in message
news:b3txi.28$wr3.22@trndny04... Hi all, My first post to this newsgroup. I have been perusing the posts for several months now. I couple of thoughts that I would like some general advice on please. Within five years I would like to say goodbye to the sod forever. I am now 46 years old. I am a sailor. I have held my MMD for over 22 years now and I am an extremely proficient navigator with or without electricity. (Yes, I can swing a sextant.) However, except for a few short stints running supply boats out of New Iberia and working on a few tourist boats in Boston and Key West, almost all of my experience has been aboard ships. Not boats. I have zero experience with sails. I wish to travel alone. I wish to not be limited in where and what waters I travel. Wanting to cruise and live aboard I am aware that a sailboat is far and away my most self reliant and economical choice. I am looking mostly at motorsailers when I drool over the "boats for sale". So, the advice I need? Advice #1: Take some sailing lessons at a respectable school. The issue is not the piece of paper at the end of the class, but the quality of the instructor and how you relate to the knowledge. Size limits? Types of hulls and rigging to be seeking? There are no real size limits, except for cost, but you'll find that most people keep to under 40 feet for reasons none better than the ability to handle the rig. Some research is in order to answer the question of hulls and rigging. Typically, you have some basic choices, e.g., sloop vs. ketch and mono vs. multi and fiberglass vs. steel vs. aluminum vs. wood. Advice #2: Sail lots of different boats, new and old, with as many different configurations as you can. You need hands on, practical experience to figure out the kind of boat you want, quality vs. comfort (or both at the same time in some cases). Advice #3: After a couple of years of sailing, reassess your plans. Are you still even interested in doing what you said you wanted to do at the onset? Price ranges? You can start with the very low end and fix it up, spending $1000s to do it or you can start at the very top and not spend much to be done, and you can find something in between (what I did). How stupid would I be to consider purchasing a salvage or neglected vessel and begin a five year rebuild? Way stupid, but it sure is fun and you learn a heck of a lot! There's nothing quite like making something work that didn't before. I'm not a huge fan of motorsailers, but they have their place. Thanks in advance... Ric Hamel -- -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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I'd love to help, but I don't know where to start. Have you gotten
far enough along the path to know: Where you planning to sail and in what seasons? How much money are you willing to spend? How rough you intend to live? I suppose if you want to sail you will be well served getting some sailing lessons and I'd go the keel boat route if you are feeling as old as I do these days. However, I would no obsess about it. Some of the technically best sailors I know are horrible cruisers. A good attitude and a boat you are confident in can take you a long way. -- Tom. |
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On Aug 17, 9:45 pm, "Alaskan420" wrote:
Hi all, My first post to this newsgroup. I have been perusing the posts for several months now. I couple of thoughts that I would like some general advice on please. Within five years I would like to say goodbye to the sod forever. I am now 46 years old. I am a sailor. I have held my MMD for over 22 years now and I am an extremely proficient navigator with or without electricity. (Yes, I can swing a sextant.) However, except for a few short stints running supply boats out of New Iberia and working on a few tourist boats in Boston and Key West, almost all of my experience has been aboard ships. Not boats. I have zero experience with sails. I wish to travel alone. I wish to not be limited in where and what waters I travel. Wanting to cruise and live aboard I am aware that a sailboat is far and away my most self reliant and economical choice. I am looking mostly at motorsailers when I drool over the "boats for sale". So, the advice I need? Size limits? Types of hulls and rigging to be seeking? Price ranges? How stupid would I be to consider purchasing a salvage or neglected vessel and begin a five year rebuild? Thanks in advance... Ric Hamel -- "I regret that I am now to die in the belief that the useless sacrifice of themselves by the generation of 1776 to acquire self-government and happiness to their country is to be thrown away by the unwise and unworthy passions of their sons. My only consolation is to be that I will live not to weep over it." Thomas Jefferson Hello Ric; Get you a 35-45 fter..that way you have room to live and can still single hand. Go with a steel hull, stronger easier to maintain. Sure.. purchace a fixer upper..a 5 years plan sounds about right, in that time you will learrn all you need to sail the boat. Price...that all depends on how good you are at fixing things up, and how fancy you wan't to go. Get a full keel with a board that you can raise to get into any shallow port. And indeed, a motor sailor is the best of all worlds. Sounds like you are on the right track Joe RedCloud http://sports.webshots.com/photo/272...63212926LiUcvQ |
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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com... On Aug 17, 9:45 pm, "Alaskan420" wrote: Hi all, My first post to this newsgroup. I have been perusing the posts for several months now. I couple of thoughts that I would like some general advice on please. Within five years I would like to say goodbye to the sod forever. I am now 46 years old. I am a sailor. I have held my MMD for over 22 years now and I am an extremely proficient navigator with or without electricity. (Yes, I can swing a sextant.) However, except for a few short stints running supply boats out of New Iberia and working on a few tourist boats in Boston and Key West, almost all of my experience has been aboard ships. Not boats. I have zero experience with sails. I wish to travel alone. I wish to not be limited in where and what waters I travel. Wanting to cruise and live aboard I am aware that a sailboat is far and away my most self reliant and economical choice. I am looking mostly at motorsailers when I drool over the "boats for sale". So, the advice I need? Size limits? Types of hulls and rigging to be seeking? Price ranges? How stupid would I be to consider purchasing a salvage or neglected vessel and begin a five year rebuild? Thanks in advance... Ric Hamel -- "I regret that I am now to die in the belief that the useless sacrifice of themselves by the generation of 1776 to acquire self-government and happiness to their country is to be thrown away by the unwise and unworthy passions of their sons. My only consolation is to be that I will live not to weep over it." Thomas Jefferson Hello Ric; Get you a 35-45 fter..that way you have room to live and can still single hand. Go with a steel hull, stronger easier to maintain. Sure.. purchace a fixer upper..a 5 years plan sounds about right, in that time you will learrn all you need to sail the boat. Price...that all depends on how good you are at fixing things up, and how fancy you wan't to go. Get a full keel with a board that you can raise to get into any shallow port. And indeed, a motor sailor is the best of all worlds. Sounds like you are on the right track Joe RedCloud http://sports.webshots.com/photo/272...63212926LiUcvQ You forgot to tell him to take a welding course! :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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