Cold comfort
 

P.S. If you want to see pictures of the components and the assembled
system, you can find them at

http://www.geoffschultz.org/2003_Sai...ork/index.html

-- Geoff

Cold comfort
 

If you want peace and quiet (and low maintenance) - you're not going
to get it with wind generators - and neither will any other boats in
the anchorage.


On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:44:24 GMT, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote:

Since part of the reason for going offshore for
the rest of my life is peace and quiet, running engines or generators isn't
very appealing, and so I expect to have substantial solar and wind
generation to minimize that. Of course, once under way, there will be
enough instances of running the engine, I expect, that it won't be of issue
very often.

So, I'm anticipating doing something using 12V, if for no other reason than
greater efficiency than having to turn it into 120V, when I'm not running
some IC power source. I'm currently open on the subject of (IC[diesel - I
don't think I'd consider gas]) generators, but nearly certainly would not
buy one if it didn't come with the boat we buy. But, if we had one, likely
I'd like a combo ability (12V/120V), perhaps even with a tie-in to an
engine-driven compressor if it's cold plates we use.

Have you done any calculations on the load required to run cold plates
(daily amp hours) vs evaporators for the ability to keep a given volume to a
given temperature? One of the boat types we've considered has an example of
a refit set of evaporators, so it has me thinking... (They wrapped it
around the previous freezer section, entirely, at the top, and had a box/lid
topmounted in the previous reefer space, each having their own knob
temperature adjusters. I don't recall the brand, but there were two
compressors in the engine room, backed up against the reefer/frig space.)

Thanks.

L8R

Skip (and Lydia)

Cold comfort
 

If you want peace and quiet (and low maintenance) - you're not going
to get it with wind generators - and neither will any other boats in
the anchorage.


On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:44:24 GMT, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote:

Since part of the reason for going offshore for
the rest of my life is peace and quiet, running engines or generators isn't
very appealing, and so I expect to have substantial solar and wind
generation to minimize that. Of course, once under way, there will be
enough instances of running the engine, I expect, that it won't be of issue
very often.

So, I'm anticipating doing something using 12V, if for no other reason than
greater efficiency than having to turn it into 120V, when I'm not running
some IC power source. I'm currently open on the subject of (IC[diesel - I
don't think I'd consider gas]) generators, but nearly certainly would not
buy one if it didn't come with the boat we buy. But, if we had one, likely
I'd like a combo ability (12V/120V), perhaps even with a tie-in to an
engine-driven compressor if it's cold plates we use.

Have you done any calculations on the load required to run cold plates
(daily amp hours) vs evaporators for the ability to keep a given volume to a
given temperature? One of the boat types we've considered has an example of
a refit set of evaporators, so it has me thinking... (They wrapped it
around the previous freezer section, entirely, at the top, and had a box/lid
topmounted in the previous reefer space, each having their own knob
temperature adjusters. I don't recall the brand, but there were two
compressors in the engine room, backed up against the reefer/frig space.)

Thanks.

L8R

Skip (and Lydia)

Cold comfort
 

You will if you use a properly balanced KISS generator.
Very quiet and generates more power than any other
generator I have encountered.

Doug
s/v Callista

"JJ" wrote in message
...
If you want peace and quiet (and low maintenance) - you're not going
to get it with wind generators - and neither will any other boats in
the anchorage.


On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:44:24 GMT, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote:

Since part of the reason for going offshore for
the rest of my life is peace and quiet, running engines or generators
isn't
very appealing, and so I expect to have substantial solar and wind
generation to minimize that. Of course, once under way, there will be
enough instances of running the engine, I expect, that it won't be of
issue
very often.

So, I'm anticipating doing something using 12V, if for no other reason
than
greater efficiency than having to turn it into 120V, when I'm not running
some IC power source. I'm currently open on the subject of (IC[diesel -
I
don't think I'd consider gas]) generators, but nearly certainly would not
buy one if it didn't come with the boat we buy. But, if we had one,
likely
I'd like a combo ability (12V/120V), perhaps even with a tie-in to an
engine-driven compressor if it's cold plates we use.

Have you done any calculations on the load required to run cold plates
(daily amp hours) vs evaporators for the ability to keep a given volume
to a
given temperature? One of the boat types we've considered has an example
of
a refit set of evaporators, so it has me thinking... (They wrapped it
around the previous freezer section, entirely, at the top, and had a
box/lid
topmounted in the previous reefer space, each having their own knob
temperature adjusters. I don't recall the brand, but there were two
compressors in the engine room, backed up against the reefer/frig space.)

Thanks.

L8R

Skip (and Lydia)

Cold comfort
 

You will if you use a properly balanced KISS generator.
Very quiet and generates more power than any other
generator I have encountered.

Doug
s/v Callista

"JJ" wrote in message
...
If you want peace and quiet (and low maintenance) - you're not going
to get it with wind generators - and neither will any other boats in
the anchorage.


On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:44:24 GMT, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote:

Since part of the reason for going offshore for
the rest of my life is peace and quiet, running engines or generators
isn't
very appealing, and so I expect to have substantial solar and wind
generation to minimize that. Of course, once under way, there will be
enough instances of running the engine, I expect, that it won't be of
issue
very often.

So, I'm anticipating doing something using 12V, if for no other reason
than
greater efficiency than having to turn it into 120V, when I'm not running
some IC power source. I'm currently open on the subject of (IC[diesel -
I
don't think I'd consider gas]) generators, but nearly certainly would not
buy one if it didn't come with the boat we buy. But, if we had one,
likely
I'd like a combo ability (12V/120V), perhaps even with a tie-in to an
engine-driven compressor if it's cold plates we use.

Have you done any calculations on the load required to run cold plates
(daily amp hours) vs evaporators for the ability to keep a given volume
to a
given temperature? One of the boat types we've considered has an example
of
a refit set of evaporators, so it has me thinking... (They wrapped it
around the previous freezer section, entirely, at the top, and had a
box/lid
topmounted in the previous reefer space, each having their own knob
temperature adjusters. I don't recall the brand, but there were two
compressors in the engine room, backed up against the reefer/frig space.)

Thanks.

L8R

Skip (and Lydia)

Cold comfort
 

I'm in complete agreement with Doug & that's why I got a KISS. I *hate*
Marine Air generators and won't anchor near them. I wanted a wind
generator which would provide good output and would be quiet. The last
thing that I wanted was to be forced out of my cockpit due to the noise
of the generator. Check them out...they're quiet.

-- Geoff

"Doug Dotson" wrote in
:

You will if you use a properly balanced KISS generator.
Very quiet and generates more power than any other
generator I have encountered.

Doug
s/v Callista

"JJ" wrote in message
...
If you want peace and quiet (and low maintenance) - you're not going
to get it with wind generators - and neither will any other boats in
the anchorage.


On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:44:24 GMT, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote:

Since part of the reason for going offshore for
the rest of my life is peace and quiet, running engines or
generators
isn't
very appealing, and so I expect to have substantial solar and wind
generation to minimize that. Of course, once under way, there will
be enough instances of running the engine, I expect, that it won't
be of
issue
very often.

So, I'm anticipating doing something using 12V, if for no other
reason
than
greater efficiency than having to turn it into 120V, when I'm not
running some IC power source. I'm currently open on the subject of
(IC[diesel -
I
don't think I'd consider gas]) generators, but nearly certainly
would not buy one if it didn't come with the boat we buy. But, if
we had one,
likely
I'd like a combo ability (12V/120V), perhaps even with a tie-in to
an engine-driven compressor if it's cold plates we use.

Have you done any calculations on the load required to run cold
plates (daily amp hours) vs evaporators for the ability to keep a
given volume
to a
given temperature? One of the boat types we've considered has an
example
of
a refit set of evaporators, so it has me thinking... (They wrapped
it around the previous freezer section, entirely, at the top, and
had a
box/lid
topmounted in the previous reefer space, each having their own knob
temperature adjusters. I don't recall the brand, but there were two
compressors in the engine room, backed up against the reefer/frig
space.)

Thanks.

L8R

Skip (and Lydia)

Cold comfort
 

I'm in complete agreement with Doug & that's why I got a KISS. I *hate*
Marine Air generators and won't anchor near them. I wanted a wind
generator which would provide good output and would be quiet. The last
thing that I wanted was to be forced out of my cockpit due to the noise
of the generator. Check them out...they're quiet.

-- Geoff

"Doug Dotson" wrote in
:

You will if you use a properly balanced KISS generator.
Very quiet and generates more power than any other
generator I have encountered.

Doug
s/v Callista

"JJ" wrote in message
...
If you want peace and quiet (and low maintenance) - you're not going
to get it with wind generators - and neither will any other boats in
the anchorage.


On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:44:24 GMT, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote:

Since part of the reason for going offshore for
the rest of my life is peace and quiet, running engines or
generators
isn't
very appealing, and so I expect to have substantial solar and wind
generation to minimize that. Of course, once under way, there will
be enough instances of running the engine, I expect, that it won't
be of
issue
very often.

So, I'm anticipating doing something using 12V, if for no other
reason
than
greater efficiency than having to turn it into 120V, when I'm not
running some IC power source. I'm currently open on the subject of
(IC[diesel -
I
don't think I'd consider gas]) generators, but nearly certainly
would not buy one if it didn't come with the boat we buy. But, if
we had one,
likely
I'd like a combo ability (12V/120V), perhaps even with a tie-in to
an engine-driven compressor if it's cold plates we use.

Have you done any calculations on the load required to run cold
plates (daily amp hours) vs evaporators for the ability to keep a
given volume
to a
given temperature? One of the boat types we've considered has an
example
of
a refit set of evaporators, so it has me thinking... (They wrapped
it around the previous freezer section, entirely, at the top, and
had a
box/lid
topmounted in the previous reefer space, each having their own knob
temperature adjusters. I don't recall the brand, but there were two
compressors in the engine room, backed up against the reefer/frig
space.)

Thanks.

L8R

Skip (and Lydia)

Cold comfort
 

Do they have a website?

"Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote in message
6...
I'm in complete agreement with Doug & that's why I got a KISS. I *hate*
Marine Air generators and won't anchor near them. I wanted a wind
generator which would provide good output and would be quiet. The last
thing that I wanted was to be forced out of my cockpit due to the noise
of the generator. Check them out...they're quiet.

-- Geoff

"Doug Dotson" wrote in
:

You will if you use a properly balanced KISS generator.
Very quiet and generates more power than any other
generator I have encountered.

Doug
s/v Callista

"JJ" wrote in message
...
If you want peace and quiet (and low maintenance) - you're not going
to get it with wind generators - and neither will any other boats in
the anchorage.


On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:44:24 GMT, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote:

Since part of the reason for going offshore for
the rest of my life is peace and quiet, running engines or
generators
isn't
very appealing, and so I expect to have substantial solar and wind
generation to minimize that. Of course, once under way, there will
be enough instances of running the engine, I expect, that it won't
be of
issue
very often.

So, I'm anticipating doing something using 12V, if for no other
reason
than
greater efficiency than having to turn it into 120V, when I'm not
running some IC power source. I'm currently open on the subject of
(IC[diesel -
I
don't think I'd consider gas]) generators, but nearly certainly
would not buy one if it didn't come with the boat we buy. But, if
we had one,
likely
I'd like a combo ability (12V/120V), perhaps even with a tie-in to
an engine-driven compressor if it's cold plates we use.

Have you done any calculations on the load required to run cold
plates (daily amp hours) vs evaporators for the ability to keep a
given volume
to a
given temperature? One of the boat types we've considered has an
example
of
a refit set of evaporators, so it has me thinking... (They wrapped
it around the previous freezer section, entirely, at the top, and
had a
box/lid
topmounted in the previous reefer space, each having their own knob
temperature adjusters. I don't recall the brand, but there were two
compressors in the engine room, backed up against the reefer/frig
space.)

Thanks.

L8R

Skip (and Lydia)

Cold comfort
 

Do they have a website?

"Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote in message
6...
I'm in complete agreement with Doug & that's why I got a KISS. I *hate*
Marine Air generators and won't anchor near them. I wanted a wind
generator which would provide good output and would be quiet. The last
thing that I wanted was to be forced out of my cockpit due to the noise
of the generator. Check them out...they're quiet.

-- Geoff

"Doug Dotson" wrote in
:

You will if you use a properly balanced KISS generator.
Very quiet and generates more power than any other
generator I have encountered.

Doug
s/v Callista

"JJ" wrote in message
...
If you want peace and quiet (and low maintenance) - you're not going
to get it with wind generators - and neither will any other boats in
the anchorage.


On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:44:24 GMT, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote:

Since part of the reason for going offshore for
the rest of my life is peace and quiet, running engines or
generators
isn't
very appealing, and so I expect to have substantial solar and wind
generation to minimize that. Of course, once under way, there will
be enough instances of running the engine, I expect, that it won't
be of
issue
very often.

So, I'm anticipating doing something using 12V, if for no other
reason
than
greater efficiency than having to turn it into 120V, when I'm not
running some IC power source. I'm currently open on the subject of
(IC[diesel -
I
don't think I'd consider gas]) generators, but nearly certainly
would not buy one if it didn't come with the boat we buy. But, if
we had one,
likely
I'd like a combo ability (12V/120V), perhaps even with a tie-in to
an engine-driven compressor if it's cold plates we use.

Have you done any calculations on the load required to run cold
plates (daily amp hours) vs evaporators for the ability to keep a
given volume
to a
given temperature? One of the boat types we've considered has an
example
of
a refit set of evaporators, so it has me thinking... (They wrapped
it around the previous freezer section, entirely, at the top, and
had a
box/lid
topmounted in the previous reefer space, each having their own knob
temperature adjusters. I don't recall the brand, but there were two
compressors in the engine room, backed up against the reefer/frig
space.)

Thanks.

L8R

Skip (and Lydia)

Cold comfort
 

It's all relative - some wind gens are extremely loud, and some and
just loud - but they're all too ****ing loud for a quiet anchorage -
day or night - or more likely - day AND night. You might think it's
your "right" to add "quiet" noise to an anchorage - but you're wrong.


On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 05:13:34 GMT, "Geoffrey W. Schultz"
wrote:

I'm in complete agreement with Doug & that's why I got a KISS. I *hate*
Marine Air generators and won't anchor near them. I wanted a wind
generator which would provide good output and would be quiet. The last
thing that I wanted was to be forced out of my cockpit due to the noise
of the generator. Check them out...they're quiet.

-- Geoff

"Doug Dotson" wrote in
:

You will if you use a properly balanced KISS generator.
Very quiet and generates more power than any other
generator I have encountered.

Doug
s/v Callista

"JJ" wrote in message
...
If you want peace and quiet (and low maintenance) - you're not going
to get it with wind generators - and neither will any other boats in
the anchorage.


On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:44:24 GMT, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote:

Since part of the reason for going offshore for
the rest of my life is peace and quiet, running engines or
generators
isn't
very appealing, and so I expect to have substantial solar and wind
generation to minimize that. Of course, once under way, there will
be enough instances of running the engine, I expect, that it won't
be of
issue
very often.

So, I'm anticipating doing something using 12V, if for no other
reason
than
greater efficiency than having to turn it into 120V, when I'm not
running some IC power source. I'm currently open on the subject of
(IC[diesel -
I
don't think I'd consider gas]) generators, but nearly certainly
would not buy one if it didn't come with the boat we buy. But, if
we had one,
likely
I'd like a combo ability (12V/120V), perhaps even with a tie-in to
an engine-driven compressor if it's cold plates we use.

Have you done any calculations on the load required to run cold
plates (daily amp hours) vs evaporators for the ability to keep a
given volume
to a
given temperature? One of the boat types we've considered has an
example
of
a refit set of evaporators, so it has me thinking... (They wrapped
it around the previous freezer section, entirely, at the top, and
had a
box/lid
topmounted in the previous reefer space, each having their own knob
temperature adjusters. I don't recall the brand, but there were two
compressors in the engine room, backed up against the reefer/frig
space.)

Thanks.

L8R

Skip (and Lydia)