Looing for a rigging vise.
 

Trent D. Sanders wrote:
Thanks for help,,,, found several vises at the sites mentioned.
But,,,,,,, they're all $600 to $1,000 ! Reminds me of the "Peanuts"
cartoon where Charlie Brown has a lemonade stand,,,, "Lemonade $35 a
cup" and tells Lucy "Yeah, but all I have to do is sell one!"

That's just it. They probably don't sell more than 2 or 3 a year. I
was looking at the one on Brian's site last night and tried to figure
what it would take to make one with the hand wheels, acme screws and
metal stock. I figured about $75 in materials if I didn't get fancy
with the hand wheels. Then probably 40 to 50 hours of labor counting
the castings and machine work. If I were making 15 or 20 I could cut
the time by 80% but building one or two at a time gets really expensive.
Also the cost drives the quality and vice versa. Someone spending a
grand for a vise would not be happy with a weld up.

Like I said, wire rope splicing is an arcane art. The rigging shops
willing to do it charge out the a**.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
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Looing for a rigging vise.
 

One reason splicing is a lost aart is that stainless really does not
splice well -- it's too slippery. Also most yachts use small enough
sizes (S/S is also very strong) that splicing would require tiny
fingers and a marlinspike the size of a needle.





Glenn Ashmore wrote:



Trent D. Sanders wrote:
Thanks for help,,,, found several vises at the sites mentioned.
But,,,,,,, they're all $600 to $1,000 ! Reminds me of the "Peanuts"
cartoon where Charlie Brown has a lemonade stand,,,, "Lemonade $35 a
cup" and tells Lucy "Yeah, but all I have to do is sell one!"

That's just it. They probably don't sell more than 2 or 3 a year. I
was looking at the one on Brian's site last night and tried to figure
what it would take to make one with the hand wheels, acme screws and
metal stock. I figured about $75 in materials if I didn't get fancy
with the hand wheels. Then probably 40 to 50 hours of labor counting
the castings and machine work. If I were making 15 or 20 I could cut
the time by 80% but building one or two at a time gets really expensive.
Also the cost drives the quality and vice versa. Someone spending a
grand for a vise would not be happy with a weld up.

Like I said, wire rope splicing is an arcane art. The rigging shops
willing to do it charge out the a**.

Michael Porter Naval Architect / Boatbuilder
mporter at mp-marine dot com
www.mp-marine.com

Looing for a rigging vise.
 

One reason splicing is a lost aart is that stainless really does not
splice well -- it's too slippery. Also most yachts use small enough
sizes (S/S is also very strong) that splicing would require tiny
fingers and a marlinspike the size of a needle.





Glenn Ashmore wrote:



Trent D. Sanders wrote:
Thanks for help,,,, found several vises at the sites mentioned.
But,,,,,,, they're all $600 to $1,000 ! Reminds me of the "Peanuts"
cartoon where Charlie Brown has a lemonade stand,,,, "Lemonade $35 a
cup" and tells Lucy "Yeah, but all I have to do is sell one!"

That's just it. They probably don't sell more than 2 or 3 a year. I
was looking at the one on Brian's site last night and tried to figure
what it would take to make one with the hand wheels, acme screws and
metal stock. I figured about $75 in materials if I didn't get fancy
with the hand wheels. Then probably 40 to 50 hours of labor counting
the castings and machine work. If I were making 15 or 20 I could cut
the time by 80% but building one or two at a time gets really expensive.
Also the cost drives the quality and vice versa. Someone spending a
grand for a vise would not be happy with a weld up.

Like I said, wire rope splicing is an arcane art. The rigging shops
willing to do it charge out the a**.

Michael Porter Naval Architect / Boatbuilder
mporter at mp-marine dot com
www.mp-marine.com

Looing for a rigging vise.
 

Most rigging vises that I have encountered were for ships rigging and very
large. Generally set up on a dedicated bench in the rigging shop..

I don't ever remember seeing a rigging vise for small wire (1/4")..

The rigging vise is intended, primarily, to help form the wire around the
thimble, or form it into an eye in a 'soft eye'. The two side screws force
the wire into a loop while the lower forces the wire up into the thimble..

I have done spliced with 3 pair of vise grips.. Place the first pair in a
bench vise, clamping onto the body. Place the thimble and wire into this
vise grip (only enough pressure to hold them, don't allow it to scar the
wire). Bent the wire around the thimble on either side and secure with small
vise grips on either side.

To avoid wire damage from the vise grips, I wrap the jaws with duct tape..
If I were doing this frequently, I would grind the jaws down to remove the
shape teeth or put 'soft jaws' in them..


--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

Looing for a rigging vise.
 

Most rigging vises that I have encountered were for ships rigging and very
large. Generally set up on a dedicated bench in the rigging shop..

I don't ever remember seeing a rigging vise for small wire (1/4")..

The rigging vise is intended, primarily, to help form the wire around the
thimble, or form it into an eye in a 'soft eye'. The two side screws force
the wire into a loop while the lower forces the wire up into the thimble..

I have done spliced with 3 pair of vise grips.. Place the first pair in a
bench vise, clamping onto the body. Place the thimble and wire into this
vise grip (only enough pressure to hold them, don't allow it to scar the
wire). Bent the wire around the thimble on either side and secure with small
vise grips on either side.

To avoid wire damage from the vise grips, I wrap the jaws with duct tape..
If I were doing this frequently, I would grind the jaws down to remove the
shape teeth or put 'soft jaws' in them..


--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions