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Chuck Bollinger November 23rd 03 04:30 PM

Low-end GPS
 
At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed mount GPS to
replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some senility. I found
the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37. They'd probably do the job.

Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know from a user
just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever since I had a laptop
disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in manually as I need them rather than
storing more than a couple. It takes less than 10 seconds on my Mariner. How
about either of these two units.

Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these two, that
does have a keypad entry?

Thanks


Lloyd Sumpter November 23rd 03 05:13 PM

Low-end GPS
 
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:30:19 +0000, Chuck Bollinger wrote:

At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed mount GPS to
replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some senility. I found
the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37. They'd probably do the job.

Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know from a user
just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever since I had a laptop
disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in manually as I need them rather than
storing more than a couple. It takes less than 10 seconds on my Mariner. How
about either of these two units.

Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these two, that
does have a keypad entry?

Thanks


I have the Furuno GP-32 and I love it! I like the BIG letters you can get so I
can see speed, course, etc. from anywhere in the cockpit.

However, it IS a pain in the rear to enter text. If you just wanted temporary
waypoints, you could just call them a, b, c, etc. and the entry would be pretty
fast. IIRC the initial lat/long displayed is the current position, so the closer
the waypoint is to you, the easier it is to enter.

I enter waypoints when I have nothing else to do, like when I'm motoring and
Otto has the helm. Donno how many the GP-32 stores, but it stores lots!

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36


Lloyd Sumpter November 23rd 03 05:13 PM

Low-end GPS
 
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:30:19 +0000, Chuck Bollinger wrote:

At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed mount GPS to
replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some senility. I found
the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37. They'd probably do the job.

Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know from a user
just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever since I had a laptop
disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in manually as I need them rather than
storing more than a couple. It takes less than 10 seconds on my Mariner. How
about either of these two units.

Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these two, that
does have a keypad entry?

Thanks


I have the Furuno GP-32 and I love it! I like the BIG letters you can get so I
can see speed, course, etc. from anywhere in the cockpit.

However, it IS a pain in the rear to enter text. If you just wanted temporary
waypoints, you could just call them a, b, c, etc. and the entry would be pretty
fast. IIRC the initial lat/long displayed is the current position, so the closer
the waypoint is to you, the easier it is to enter.

I enter waypoints when I have nothing else to do, like when I'm motoring and
Otto has the helm. Donno how many the GP-32 stores, but it stores lots!

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36


Ed November 23rd 03 05:34 PM

Low-end GPS
 
I have 4 garmins for my boat, dingy and car. I have owned 7 garmins in
total for the past 10+ years. I rarely use the input on the front
panel... instead I use the Garmin software and upload and download my
waypoints with my computer. This allows me to sync all the boat/dingy
GPSs with minimal effort and it allows me to make backup and archive
copies. There are also third party software and Free-ware packages to
do this with Garmin or Furuno. Just make sure your unit supports
uploads and downloads and either comes with a cable or they are EZ to
get. (Many of the new small cheap garmins that they sell at Circuit
city etc for 200 include cables) For my fixed mount unit(2006) I built
the cable into the boat and I just go into the cabin and connect my
laptop to it.




Chuck Bollinger wrote:
At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed
mount GPS to replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some
senility. I found the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37.
They'd probably do the job.

Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know
from a user just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever
since I had a laptop disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in
manually as I need them rather than storing more than a couple. It
takes less than 10 seconds on my Mariner. How about either of these two
units.

Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these
two, that does have a keypad entry?

Thanks



Ed November 23rd 03 05:34 PM

Low-end GPS
 
I have 4 garmins for my boat, dingy and car. I have owned 7 garmins in
total for the past 10+ years. I rarely use the input on the front
panel... instead I use the Garmin software and upload and download my
waypoints with my computer. This allows me to sync all the boat/dingy
GPSs with minimal effort and it allows me to make backup and archive
copies. There are also third party software and Free-ware packages to
do this with Garmin or Furuno. Just make sure your unit supports
uploads and downloads and either comes with a cable or they are EZ to
get. (Many of the new small cheap garmins that they sell at Circuit
city etc for 200 include cables) For my fixed mount unit(2006) I built
the cable into the boat and I just go into the cabin and connect my
laptop to it.




Chuck Bollinger wrote:
At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed
mount GPS to replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some
senility. I found the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37.
They'd probably do the job.

Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know
from a user just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever
since I had a laptop disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in
manually as I need them rather than storing more than a couple. It
takes less than 10 seconds on my Mariner. How about either of these two
units.

Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these
two, that does have a keypad entry?

Thanks



Rodney Myrvaagnes November 23rd 03 11:49 PM

Low-end GPS
 
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:30:19 GMT, Chuck Bollinger
wrote:

At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed mount GPS to
replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some senility. I found
the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37. They'd probably do the job.

Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know from a user
just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever since I had a laptop
disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in manually as I need them rather than
storing more than a couple. It takes less than 10 seconds on my Mariner. How
about either of these two units.

I use a Garmin, and it is annoying, but doable, to enter waypoints
manually. I can do it while singlehanding if things are not hectic.

When things are happening too fast, and my wife is not with me, Saving
waypoints by number is quick and easy. One then has to call them up at
anchor, and look at a chart to reconstruct where each WP is, THen they
can be labelled.

The Garmin lives out in the weather at the wheel of a sailboat. Inside
a pilot house, I would try to find something with a keypad.


Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these two, that
does have a keypad entry?

Thanks



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


Capsizing under chute, and having the chute rise and fill without tangling, all while Mark and Sally are still behind you

Rodney Myrvaagnes November 23rd 03 11:49 PM

Low-end GPS
 
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:30:19 GMT, Chuck Bollinger
wrote:

At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed mount GPS to
replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some senility. I found
the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37. They'd probably do the job.

Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know from a user
just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever since I had a laptop
disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in manually as I need them rather than
storing more than a couple. It takes less than 10 seconds on my Mariner. How
about either of these two units.

I use a Garmin, and it is annoying, but doable, to enter waypoints
manually. I can do it while singlehanding if things are not hectic.

When things are happening too fast, and my wife is not with me, Saving
waypoints by number is quick and easy. One then has to call them up at
anchor, and look at a chart to reconstruct where each WP is, THen they
can be labelled.

The Garmin lives out in the weather at the wheel of a sailboat. Inside
a pilot house, I would try to find something with a keypad.


Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these two, that
does have a keypad entry?

Thanks



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


Capsizing under chute, and having the chute rise and fill without tangling, all while Mark and Sally are still behind you

Chuck Bollinger November 24th 03 05:50 PM

Low-end GPS - Thanks
 
I appreciate the thoughtful replies. It confirms what I had suspected. As far
as entering info from the laptop: I go through this 'entering numbers' thing on
the GPS to stay aloof from the laptop. I've had a series of evil things happen
at bad times, which is why we have the chart-pack out when in non-home waters.
If the laptop goes I lose a toy, but not my position or ability to navigate.

This is a good group.



Chuck Bollinger wrote:

At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed
mount GPS to replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some
senility. I found the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37.
They'd probably do the job.

Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know
from a user just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever
since I had a laptop disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in
manually as I need them rather than storing more than a couple. It
takes less than 10 seconds on my Mariner. How about either of these two
units.

Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these
two, that does have a keypad entry?

Thanks



Chuck Bollinger November 24th 03 05:50 PM

Low-end GPS - Thanks
 
I appreciate the thoughtful replies. It confirms what I had suspected. As far
as entering info from the laptop: I go through this 'entering numbers' thing on
the GPS to stay aloof from the laptop. I've had a series of evil things happen
at bad times, which is why we have the chart-pack out when in non-home waters.
If the laptop goes I lose a toy, but not my position or ability to navigate.

This is a good group.



Chuck Bollinger wrote:

At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed
mount GPS to replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some
senility. I found the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37.
They'd probably do the job.

Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know
from a user just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever
since I had a laptop disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in
manually as I need them rather than storing more than a couple. It
takes less than 10 seconds on my Mariner. How about either of these two
units.

Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these
two, that does have a keypad entry?

Thanks



Ian Malcolm November 24th 03 09:55 PM

Low-end GPS - Thanks
 
Chuck Bollinger wrote:

At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed
mount GPS to replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some
senility. I found the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37.
They'd probably do the job.

Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know
from a user just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever
since I had a laptop disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in
manually as I need them rather than storing more than a couple. It
takes less than 10 seconds on my Mariner. How about either of these two
units.

Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these
two, that does have a keypad entry?

Thanks

Chuck Bollinger wrote:

I appreciate the thoughtful replies. It confirms what I had suspected. As far
as entering info from the laptop: I go through this 'entering numbers' thing on
the GPS to stay aloof from the laptop. I've had a series of evil things happen
at bad times, which is why we have the chart-pack out when in non-home waters.
If the laptop goes I lose a toy, but not my position or ability to navigate.

This is a good group.


I can recommend the Yeoman plotter. It is a specialised digitising tablet
with a NMEA0183 interface designed for marine charts that lets you
quickly and easily read off the current position directly on any normal
paper chart using your GPS, (you just move the puck in the direction of
the illuminated arrow or arrowson it, and your position is under the hole
in the crosshair for the tip of a pencil when all the arrows have gone
out. It also reads off range and bearing to any feature on the chart, and
SENDS WAYPOINTS DIRECT FROM IT TO YOUR GPS with only a few button clicks.

Of course, you have to calibrate it to the chart, but that only takes a
couple of minutes per chart, once off, then its select the reference
number you wrote on the chart margin, and click the three reference points
if you change charts or if the power has been off.

I first met it on a friend's yacht and was sufficiently impressed with the
conveniance, accuracy and reduced risk of error that I treated my self to
one just to pre-enter waypoints in the Garmin GPS12 handheld I use when
dinghy cruising.

--
Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk [at]=@, [dash]=- &
[dot]=.
*Warning* SPAM TRAP set in header, Use email address in sig. if you must.
'Stingo' Albacore #1554 - 15' Uffa Fox designed, All varnished hot moulded
wooden racing dinghy circa. 1961


Ian Malcolm November 24th 03 09:55 PM

Low-end GPS - Thanks
 
Chuck Bollinger wrote:

At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed
mount GPS to replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some
senility. I found the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37.
They'd probably do the job.

Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know
from a user just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever
since I had a laptop disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in
manually as I need them rather than storing more than a couple. It
takes less than 10 seconds on my Mariner. How about either of these two
units.

Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these
two, that does have a keypad entry?

Thanks

Chuck Bollinger wrote:

I appreciate the thoughtful replies. It confirms what I had suspected. As far
as entering info from the laptop: I go through this 'entering numbers' thing on
the GPS to stay aloof from the laptop. I've had a series of evil things happen
at bad times, which is why we have the chart-pack out when in non-home waters.
If the laptop goes I lose a toy, but not my position or ability to navigate.

This is a good group.


I can recommend the Yeoman plotter. It is a specialised digitising tablet
with a NMEA0183 interface designed for marine charts that lets you
quickly and easily read off the current position directly on any normal
paper chart using your GPS, (you just move the puck in the direction of
the illuminated arrow or arrowson it, and your position is under the hole
in the crosshair for the tip of a pencil when all the arrows have gone
out. It also reads off range and bearing to any feature on the chart, and
SENDS WAYPOINTS DIRECT FROM IT TO YOUR GPS with only a few button clicks.

Of course, you have to calibrate it to the chart, but that only takes a
couple of minutes per chart, once off, then its select the reference
number you wrote on the chart margin, and click the three reference points
if you change charts or if the power has been off.

I first met it on a friend's yacht and was sufficiently impressed with the
conveniance, accuracy and reduced risk of error that I treated my self to
one just to pre-enter waypoints in the Garmin GPS12 handheld I use when
dinghy cruising.

--
Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk [at]=@, [dash]=- &
[dot]=.
*Warning* SPAM TRAP set in header, Use email address in sig. if you must.
'Stingo' Albacore #1554 - 15' Uffa Fox designed, All varnished hot moulded
wooden racing dinghy circa. 1961


Larry W4CSC November 24th 03 11:35 PM

Low-end GPS - Thanks
 
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:50:31 GMT, Chuck Bollinger
wrote:

I appreciate the thoughtful replies. It confirms what I had suspected. As far
as entering info from the laptop: I go through this 'entering numbers' thing on
the GPS to stay aloof from the laptop. I've had a series of evil things happen
at bad times, which is why we have the chart-pack out when in non-home waters.
If the laptop goes I lose a toy, but not my position or ability to navigate.

This is a good group.

Chuck, if you ever see one for sale, just buy it......

http://www.yeomanuk.com/home/index2.htm

My Capn had a Yeoman XL Sport, the foam laptop model. It fell apart
when he left it in a hot Atlanta sun inside his pickup truck
(150F?...C???) I took out the PC board with the computer mounted to
it and used double-sided 5lb/inch tape to stick it to the bottom of
Lionheart's mahogany chart table lid. The Chart Table now has a
mouse/puck that takes the drudgery out of charting on paper. Works
with any chart on any scale......from any cheap GPS that outputs NMEA
0183 to feed it your position. Accuracy is the width of your pencil.
Sure is nice to click a point or your current position and just point
the puck to another point on the chart and be handed range and azimuth
on the LCD screen...(c;


Larry W4CSC

NNNN


Larry W4CSC November 24th 03 11:35 PM

Low-end GPS - Thanks
 
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:50:31 GMT, Chuck Bollinger
wrote:

I appreciate the thoughtful replies. It confirms what I had suspected. As far
as entering info from the laptop: I go through this 'entering numbers' thing on
the GPS to stay aloof from the laptop. I've had a series of evil things happen
at bad times, which is why we have the chart-pack out when in non-home waters.
If the laptop goes I lose a toy, but not my position or ability to navigate.

This is a good group.

Chuck, if you ever see one for sale, just buy it......

http://www.yeomanuk.com/home/index2.htm

My Capn had a Yeoman XL Sport, the foam laptop model. It fell apart
when he left it in a hot Atlanta sun inside his pickup truck
(150F?...C???) I took out the PC board with the computer mounted to
it and used double-sided 5lb/inch tape to stick it to the bottom of
Lionheart's mahogany chart table lid. The Chart Table now has a
mouse/puck that takes the drudgery out of charting on paper. Works
with any chart on any scale......from any cheap GPS that outputs NMEA
0183 to feed it your position. Accuracy is the width of your pencil.
Sure is nice to click a point or your current position and just point
the puck to another point on the chart and be handed range and azimuth
on the LCD screen...(c;


Larry W4CSC

NNNN


Wim November 25th 03 01:44 AM

Low-end GPS
 
Hi Chuck,
Not knowing anything about GPS's, but I'm looking/shopping at the moment for
one. I noticed several with a MOB(red button) on the keypad. Would not a
series of MOB's give you a running score of waypoints? I assume they can be
re-entered or moved with a proper description?
Just a thought FWIW--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Chuck Bollinger" wrote in message
news:vg5wb.286189$Fm2.295102@attbi_s04...
: At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed mount
GPS to
: replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some senility. I
found
: the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37. They'd probably do the
job.
:
: Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know from
a user
: just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever since I had a
laptop
: disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in manually as I need them rather
than
: storing more than a couple. It takes less than 10 seconds on my Mariner.
How
: about either of these two units.
:
: Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these two,
that
: does have a keypad entry?
:
: Thanks
:



Wim November 25th 03 01:44 AM

Low-end GPS
 
Hi Chuck,
Not knowing anything about GPS's, but I'm looking/shopping at the moment for
one. I noticed several with a MOB(red button) on the keypad. Would not a
series of MOB's give you a running score of waypoints? I assume they can be
re-entered or moved with a proper description?
Just a thought FWIW--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Chuck Bollinger" wrote in message
news:vg5wb.286189$Fm2.295102@attbi_s04...
: At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed mount
GPS to
: replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some senility. I
found
: the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37. They'd probably do the
job.
:
: Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know from
a user
: just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever since I had a
laptop
: disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in manually as I need them rather
than
: storing more than a couple. It takes less than 10 seconds on my Mariner.
How
: about either of these two units.
:
: Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these two,
that
: does have a keypad entry?
:
: Thanks
:



Lloyd Sumpter November 25th 03 02:10 AM

Low-end GPS - Thanks
 
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:55:47 +0000, Ian Malcolm wrote:

Chuck Bollinger wrote:

At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed mount
GPS to replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some senility.
I found the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37. They'd probably do
the job.

Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know from a
user just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever since I had
a laptop disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in manually as I need them
rather than storing more than a couple. It takes less than 10 seconds on my
Mariner. How about either of these two units.

Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these two,
that does have a keypad entry?

Thanks

Chuck Bollinger wrote:

I appreciate the thoughtful replies. It confirms what I had suspected. As
far as entering info from the laptop: I go through this 'entering numbers'
thing on the GPS to stay aloof from the laptop. I've had a series of evil
things happen at bad times, which is why we have the chart-pack out when in
non-home waters. If the laptop goes I lose a toy, but not my position or
ability to navigate.

This is a good group.


I can recommend the Yeoman plotter. It is a specialised digitising tablet with
a NMEA0183 interface designed for marine charts that lets you quickly and
easily read off the current position directly on any normal paper chart using
your GPS, (you just move the puck in the direction of the illuminated arrow or
arrowson it, and your position is under the hole in the crosshair for the tip of
a pencil when all the arrows have gone out. It also reads off range and bearing
to any feature on the chart, and SENDS WAYPOINTS DIRECT FROM IT TO YOUR GPS with
only a few button clicks.


Oh, good grief: Technology Gone Mad. You mean you can't read lat/long off a
chart? And if you can err reading the chart, you can err even worse setting it
up.

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36 c/w lots of paper charts.


Lloyd Sumpter November 25th 03 02:10 AM

Low-end GPS - Thanks
 
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:55:47 +0000, Ian Malcolm wrote:

Chuck Bollinger wrote:

At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed mount
GPS to replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some senility.
I found the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37. They'd probably do
the job.

Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know from a
user just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever since I had
a laptop disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in manually as I need them
rather than storing more than a couple. It takes less than 10 seconds on my
Mariner. How about either of these two units.

Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these two,
that does have a keypad entry?

Thanks

Chuck Bollinger wrote:

I appreciate the thoughtful replies. It confirms what I had suspected. As
far as entering info from the laptop: I go through this 'entering numbers'
thing on the GPS to stay aloof from the laptop. I've had a series of evil
things happen at bad times, which is why we have the chart-pack out when in
non-home waters. If the laptop goes I lose a toy, but not my position or
ability to navigate.

This is a good group.


I can recommend the Yeoman plotter. It is a specialised digitising tablet with
a NMEA0183 interface designed for marine charts that lets you quickly and
easily read off the current position directly on any normal paper chart using
your GPS, (you just move the puck in the direction of the illuminated arrow or
arrowson it, and your position is under the hole in the crosshair for the tip of
a pencil when all the arrows have gone out. It also reads off range and bearing
to any feature on the chart, and SENDS WAYPOINTS DIRECT FROM IT TO YOUR GPS with
only a few button clicks.


Oh, good grief: Technology Gone Mad. You mean you can't read lat/long off a
chart? And if you can err reading the chart, you can err even worse setting it
up.

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36 c/w lots of paper charts.


Lloyd Sumpter November 25th 03 02:11 AM

Low-end GPS
 

Yup, I use the MOB button to set any waypoints I want exact (like a tricky
entrance to a bay). Hit it, then when you have some time, change the title, etc.
to your liking.

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:44:04 +0000, Wim wrote:

Hi Chuck,
Not knowing anything about GPS's, but I'm looking/shopping at the moment for
one. I noticed several with a MOB(red button) on the keypad. Would not a series
of MOB's give you a running score of waypoints? I assume they can be re-entered
or moved with a proper description? Just a thought FWIW--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Chuck Bollinger" wrote in message
news:vg5wb.286189$Fm2.295102@attbi_s04...
: At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed mount
GPS to
: replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some senility. I
found
: the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37. They'd probably do the
job.
:
: Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know from
a user
: just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever since I had a
laptop
: disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in manually as I need them rather
than
: storing more than a couple. It takes less than 10 seconds on my Mariner.
How
: about either of these two units.
:
: Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these two,
that
: does have a keypad entry?
:
: Thanks
:
:



Lloyd Sumpter November 25th 03 02:11 AM

Low-end GPS
 

Yup, I use the MOB button to set any waypoints I want exact (like a tricky
entrance to a bay). Hit it, then when you have some time, change the title, etc.
to your liking.

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:44:04 +0000, Wim wrote:

Hi Chuck,
Not knowing anything about GPS's, but I'm looking/shopping at the moment for
one. I noticed several with a MOB(red button) on the keypad. Would not a series
of MOB's give you a running score of waypoints? I assume they can be re-entered
or moved with a proper description? Just a thought FWIW--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Chuck Bollinger" wrote in message
news:vg5wb.286189$Fm2.295102@attbi_s04...
: At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed mount
GPS to
: replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some senility. I
found
: the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37. They'd probably do the
job.
:
: Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know from
a user
: just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever since I had a
laptop
: disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in manually as I need them rather
than
: storing more than a couple. It takes less than 10 seconds on my Mariner.
How
: about either of these two units.
:
: Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these two,
that
: does have a keypad entry?
:
: Thanks
:
:



Evan Gatehouse November 25th 03 07:07 AM

Low-end GPS - Thanks
 
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:55:47 +0000, Ian Malcolm wrote:

I can recommend the Yeoman plotter. It is a specialised digitising

tablet with
a NMEA0183 interface designed for marine charts that lets you quickly

and
easily read off the current position directly on any normal paper chart

using
your GPS, (you just move the puck in the direction of the illuminated

arrow or
arrowson it, and your position is under the hole in the crosshair for

the tip of
a pencil when all the arrows have gone out. It also reads off range and

bearing
to any feature on the chart, and SENDS WAYPOINTS DIRECT FROM IT TO YOUR

GPS with
only a few button clicks.


"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote

Oh, good grief: Technology Gone Mad. You mean you can't read lat/long off

a
chart? And if you can err reading the chart, you can err even worse

setting it
up.


Having nearly put the boat up on a beach somewhere in Costa Rica because I
mistakenly entered 77 deg instead of 76 deg or something equally foolish as
a waypoint on the GPS, I can really appreciate the value of eliminating the
human element where possible.

The only thing that saved us was that we had drawn a course line joining
waypoints. A quick eyeball check of our course being steered v.s. the
chartered one tipped me off.


--
Evan Gatehouse

you'll have to rewrite my email address to get to me
ceilydh AT 3web dot net
(fools the spammers)



Evan Gatehouse November 25th 03 07:07 AM

Low-end GPS - Thanks
 
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:55:47 +0000, Ian Malcolm wrote:

I can recommend the Yeoman plotter. It is a specialised digitising

tablet with
a NMEA0183 interface designed for marine charts that lets you quickly

and
easily read off the current position directly on any normal paper chart

using
your GPS, (you just move the puck in the direction of the illuminated

arrow or
arrowson it, and your position is under the hole in the crosshair for

the tip of
a pencil when all the arrows have gone out. It also reads off range and

bearing
to any feature on the chart, and SENDS WAYPOINTS DIRECT FROM IT TO YOUR

GPS with
only a few button clicks.


"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote

Oh, good grief: Technology Gone Mad. You mean you can't read lat/long off

a
chart? And if you can err reading the chart, you can err even worse

setting it
up.


Having nearly put the boat up on a beach somewhere in Costa Rica because I
mistakenly entered 77 deg instead of 76 deg or something equally foolish as
a waypoint on the GPS, I can really appreciate the value of eliminating the
human element where possible.

The only thing that saved us was that we had drawn a course line joining
waypoints. A quick eyeball check of our course being steered v.s. the
chartered one tipped me off.


--
Evan Gatehouse

you'll have to rewrite my email address to get to me
ceilydh AT 3web dot net
(fools the spammers)



Peter Bennett November 29th 03 07:48 PM

Low-end GPS
 
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:44:04 -0500, "Wim" wrote:

Hi Chuck,
Not knowing anything about GPS's, but I'm looking/shopping at the moment for
one. I noticed several with a MOB(red button) on the keypad. Would not a
series of MOB's give you a running score of waypoints? I assume they can be
re-entered or moved with a proper description?
Just a thought FWIW--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html



"MOB" is a special function - you would rarely want to use it to
create "normal" waypoints. The MOB function creates a waypoint
(called "MOB") at the current location _and_ sets that waypoint as the
"target" of a "GoTo". This is fine if you really want to return to
the marked location (as you would to pick up a person overboard), but
not so great if you are already following a route or goto at the time,
and just want to mark a location.

I think most GPS receivers also have a "mark" or "quick waypoint"
function (my Garmin 12XL does) which allows you to create a waypoint
at the current location without upsetting any active navigation. My
12XL provides a default numeric name for such waypoints, but the name
can be changed as you store the waypoint or at any later time.


--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
new newsgroup users info : http://vancouver-webpages.com/nnq
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca

Peter Bennett November 29th 03 07:48 PM

Low-end GPS
 
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:44:04 -0500, "Wim" wrote:

Hi Chuck,
Not knowing anything about GPS's, but I'm looking/shopping at the moment for
one. I noticed several with a MOB(red button) on the keypad. Would not a
series of MOB's give you a running score of waypoints? I assume they can be
re-entered or moved with a proper description?
Just a thought FWIW--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html



"MOB" is a special function - you would rarely want to use it to
create "normal" waypoints. The MOB function creates a waypoint
(called "MOB") at the current location _and_ sets that waypoint as the
"target" of a "GoTo". This is fine if you really want to return to
the marked location (as you would to pick up a person overboard), but
not so great if you are already following a route or goto at the time,
and just want to mark a location.

I think most GPS receivers also have a "mark" or "quick waypoint"
function (my Garmin 12XL does) which allows you to create a waypoint
at the current location without upsetting any active navigation. My
12XL provides a default numeric name for such waypoints, but the name
can be changed as you store the waypoint or at any later time.


--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
new newsgroup users info : http://vancouver-webpages.com/nnq
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca


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