We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

This originally appeared in a thread about marine heads...

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
Skip
What kind of boat did you buy?

We haven't yet. We had an accepted offer on a Mason 43 which Lydia rejected
based on the teak and stern cabin redo needed. We expect the deposit back
this week.

We've (well, I've) been on an additional nearly-60 boats this past couple of
weeks, however, and the E43 is one of our candidates. There's several other
candidates, but they're either bigger than we want, more expensive than we
want, or more teak, and in some cases all three.

So, in any event, we've now got options, at least, whereas before we had
only one boat which we'd been aboard which 'fit' us. I'm finishing this
round of search in a couple of weeks. Likely I'll not go to Texas, as it's
a huge distance for only a couple of unique (not duplicated somewhere else
in our list) boats, and the story about the Morgan (in another thread) which
was misrepresented makes me very reluctant to go somewhere remote for
something I'm not sure I'll want to see.

In this trip, I was exposed to additional boats which had not been on our
list when I set out; two of them are on our target list, but one's been
removed (the Mason). It's coming along... The next trip will have us on
another 10 or so boats (make, model) under 40' which we've not yet been
aboard, and I've dumped the ones over 45 that I'd added in frustration in
our prior failures.

However, with the exception of Delaware to Maine, we'll have effectively
covered the East and Gulf coast. That ought to do it for us, and then it
will be a matter of our doing some triangulation to figure out what we want
vs what we'll have to give up among the boats we've found which *can* work.
At this time, there's about 5 types which we've found that work for us.
We're hopeful of adding at least a few more in the under-40 class and will
likely have several more over 40 as well.

By the time I'm finished, I will have been aboard over 250 boats, out of
about 350 initially selected from about 2500 possibilities (length,
location, price), in three trips (searches, really, as this search will take
two or three trips and the last search was two trips). Just as in buying
houses, the hundred-item rule is in effect. After having been aboard that
many, I can tell in about a minute if a boat will be interesting to me, and
in about 5, determine whether I want to pursue it beyond a swift walk
through, and in about 10 if I want to do a full workup on it. Before I even
attempt to see one, I've done research on the type, and have good reason to
believe that it will work for us.

Of course, as you've seen in other threads, the number of times that reality
meets presentation is pretty small - but I regard that as all just part of
the exercise. However, once *this* part of the exercise is finished, we'll
be able to attack the surviving types and make reasonable evaluations
between apples and oranges, so to speak.

I'm in the process of developing an appraisal equivalent format. That is,
each feature and spec of significance to us, whether positive or negative,
will be given a value. Just as in a real estate appraisal, where more in a
property being compared represents a deduction against the candidate, and
vice versa, we expect we should be able to quantify what really winds our
clock, and evaluate how best to pursue any given boat. After that, it's gut
feeling (which one do we really *love*?) :{))

L8R

Skip (and Lydia)

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

wrote in message
...
You need a shrink, not a boat.

Absolutely. And, so far, in my 59 years, I've managed only about 1/2 inch.
You tell me how to take off another couple or three inches, and we've
already left the dock. There are legions which would have worked at that
height. There are absolute _armies_ (well, ok, navies) of boats which
*don't* work at my height. Unfortunately, the listings are not candid on
that matter.

Sorry Charlie (oops, Bill) - I'm hard headed, but not that hard. I'm having
clearance, and not hitting my head, or I'm not buying. I'm also not going
into debt, which the subject boat, after the modifications required were
accomplished, would have needed.

L8R

Skip (and Lydia, co-conspirator) :{))

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

wrote in message
...
You need a shrink, not a boat.

Absolutely. And, so far, in my 59 years, I've managed only about 1/2 inch.
You tell me how to take off another couple or three inches, and we've
already left the dock. There are legions which would have worked at that
height. There are absolute _armies_ (well, ok, navies) of boats which
*don't* work at my height. Unfortunately, the listings are not candid on
that matter.

Sorry Charlie (oops, Bill) - I'm hard headed, but not that hard. I'm having
clearance, and not hitting my head, or I'm not buying. I'm also not going
into debt, which the subject boat, after the modifications required were
accomplished, would have needed.

L8R

Skip (and Lydia, co-conspirator) :{))

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

BinaryBillTheSailor writes:

You should not have a boat. It's a far too variable and
spontaneous thing for you to deal with.

If you really wanted a great boat, you would have bought one
long ago. There is absolutely no legitimate reason that you
have been doing all this foundering. You need a shrink, not
a boat.

Yet another elitist snob. If it were up to people like you, only
snotty highbrows would have boats, and the rest of the people out
there would be restricted to jon boats on inland lakes.

I've seen more people trying to discourage others from getting
into boating on this newsgroup in the past two weeks, than I have
ever seen in thirty plus years around my marina.

Your attitude makes me feel sorry for you, and ashamed that folks
might think that the rest of us are like you.

Grow up. Skip's got as much right to be as picky as he wants to
be, looking for his boat.

And while I'm at it, you snobs need to make up your minds. Do
folks need to have a specific list of things they want in a boat,
or do they not?

---
-
Those who complain about others not being "team players"
are the same ones who never give up the ball.
-----

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

BinaryBillTheSailor writes:

You should not have a boat. It's a far too variable and
spontaneous thing for you to deal with.

If you really wanted a great boat, you would have bought one
long ago. There is absolutely no legitimate reason that you
have been doing all this foundering. You need a shrink, not
a boat.

Yet another elitist snob. If it were up to people like you, only
snotty highbrows would have boats, and the rest of the people out
there would be restricted to jon boats on inland lakes.

I've seen more people trying to discourage others from getting
into boating on this newsgroup in the past two weeks, than I have
ever seen in thirty plus years around my marina.

Your attitude makes me feel sorry for you, and ashamed that folks
might think that the rest of us are like you.

Grow up. Skip's got as much right to be as picky as he wants to
be, looking for his boat.

And while I'm at it, you snobs need to make up your minds. Do
folks need to have a specific list of things they want in a boat,
or do they not?

---
-
Those who complain about others not being "team players"
are the same ones who never give up the ball.
-----

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

Look group, Skip has every right to be picky about his boat. I sold my C&C
and bought an Endeavour 43 for the very same reason...head room. I gave up
sailing ability for comfort. If I had on thing to be critical of regarding
Skip, is that he went into the contract phase prematurely. He should have
gotten this negative worked out with Lydia before the contract was signed.
I think that if the broker wanted to be a real a$$hole, he could
realistically forced Skip to go to survey where he could then reject the
boat.
If this we my deal, I would have put a $dollar value on the cosmetics and
then proceeded to the contract and survey phase and find out what the real
cost would be bring the boat back to Bristol. There is always a reason why
a boat will not sell after three years and it is generally condition,
condition, condition. All that relates to price. A Mason 43 is a fantastic
boat and is worth putting some money into but you don't throw away the deal
until you hear from the surveyor. Skip will end up looking back at this
boat knowing he could have done the cosmetic work for half what he is
spending in the search.


--
See how our Endeavour is progressing at
www.cruisinglife.net/horizonproject.htm

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

Look group, Skip has every right to be picky about his boat. I sold my C&C
and bought an Endeavour 43 for the very same reason...head room. I gave up
sailing ability for comfort. If I had on thing to be critical of regarding
Skip, is that he went into the contract phase prematurely. He should have
gotten this negative worked out with Lydia before the contract was signed.
I think that if the broker wanted to be a real a$$hole, he could
realistically forced Skip to go to survey where he could then reject the
boat.
If this we my deal, I would have put a $dollar value on the cosmetics and
then proceeded to the contract and survey phase and find out what the real
cost would be bring the boat back to Bristol. There is always a reason why
a boat will not sell after three years and it is generally condition,
condition, condition. All that relates to price. A Mason 43 is a fantastic
boat and is worth putting some money into but you don't throw away the deal
until you hear from the surveyor. Skip will end up looking back at this
boat knowing he could have done the cosmetic work for half what he is
spending in the search.


--
See how our Endeavour is progressing at
www.cruisinglife.net/horizonproject.htm

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

Hi, Y'all...

I gotta admit that I'm bemused by the tempest in a teapot over our search.
If you don't want to read about it, the delete key is your friend.
Otherwise, exult in how you did yours, and let the rest of us enjoy *your*
process. Tomayto, tomahto, etc...

That said...

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
Look group, Skip has every right to be picky about his boat. I sold my
C&C
and bought an Endeavour 43 for the very same reason...head room. I gave
up
sailing ability for comfort. If I had on thing to be critical of
regarding
Skip, is that he went into the contract phase prematurely. He should have

That's a fair statement. What you've heard about by inference, but not by
living with it, is that Lydia absolutely detests the shopping process, and
wants to buy a boat yesterday. That was how that offer happened - I was on
the phone with her a few times along the way in the course of the (aboard)
tour, ending with my cell phone battery dying, and my doing more
conversation in the office of the broker. Our normal modus for considering
an offer is to have done some very careful analysis after having gathered
the info. That phase was missed here.

gotten this negative worked out with Lydia before the contract was signed.
I think that if the broker wanted to be a real a$$hole, he could
realistically forced Skip to go to survey where he could then reject the
boat.

The contract stated very plainly that it was contingent on personal
inspection by Lydia, which we did in detail over the weekend when I got
home, including my usual detailed video and notes. In addition, as I
continue the trip, I'd set that up a bit by comparing this boat to many we'd
already seen, along with ones I was seeing later in the trip. Unless the
boat really wound her clock when we did the review, it was already a dead
duck. Case in point was a totally bristol, much better equipped, Endeavour
43 that I'd seen with the asshole broker (the one he kept pressuring me to
buy while there was a contract working) which could have been bought at
essentially the same price. Back to the contract, there was no gray area,
other than a potential, I suppose, to interpret "personal inspection" to
mean on-site. And this broker was no asshole...

If this we my deal, I would have put a $dollar value on the cosmetics and
then proceeded to the contract and survey phase and find out what the real
cost would be bring the boat back to Bristol. There is always a reason
why
a boat will not sell after three years and it is generally condition,
condition, condition. All that relates to price. A Mason 43 is a
fantastic
boat and is worth putting some money into but you don't throw away the
deal
until you hear from the surveyor. Skip will end up looking back at this
boat knowing he could have done the cosmetic work for half what he is
spending in the search.

Heh. I think I'm even better at doing bargains than you, Bruce. Our total
search costs - travel expenses, including rental cars during fixing - and
those costs, too, since if we'd done them at home they'd have been parts
only - of our classics which we'd rather drive, instead of some stale
relia-box, to date are under 2 grand. If you think I can get teak decks
removed and redone, other teak refinished and structurally alter a stern
cabin (cosmetically) for anything close to that, I'm all ears, because I
think it could be bought, still. However, there's still the issue of having
no stern cabin when the mods were done (the entry space would now be filled
with berth) - and then there's the issue that I'd rather have your boat than
that one, redone, particularly at the same price, and I know where one is...

We're getting very much closer, and I'm encouraged, whereas I was definitely
discouraged after the first FL segment of our search. We now have choices,
and I fully expect to have others by the time I'm finished this year. As
always, if a boat reaches out and grabs me by the neck and won't let go,
most likely we'll buy it. So far the only instance of that is one which is
half again beyond our (already substantially raised) budget - but we're
thinking about it, even so...

L8R

Skip
PS
See how our Endeavour is progressing at
www.cruisinglife.net/horizonproject.htm

I'm impressed - but as long as it's taking, given the temperament here, I
imagine you've gotten a lot of flak about why you're not out sailing, since
it obviously is taking too long, and you're much too fussy :{))

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

Hi, Y'all...

I gotta admit that I'm bemused by the tempest in a teapot over our search.
If you don't want to read about it, the delete key is your friend.
Otherwise, exult in how you did yours, and let the rest of us enjoy *your*
process. Tomayto, tomahto, etc...

That said...

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
Look group, Skip has every right to be picky about his boat. I sold my
C&C
and bought an Endeavour 43 for the very same reason...head room. I gave
up
sailing ability for comfort. If I had on thing to be critical of
regarding
Skip, is that he went into the contract phase prematurely. He should have

That's a fair statement. What you've heard about by inference, but not by
living with it, is that Lydia absolutely detests the shopping process, and
wants to buy a boat yesterday. That was how that offer happened - I was on
the phone with her a few times along the way in the course of the (aboard)
tour, ending with my cell phone battery dying, and my doing more
conversation in the office of the broker. Our normal modus for considering
an offer is to have done some very careful analysis after having gathered
the info. That phase was missed here.

gotten this negative worked out with Lydia before the contract was signed.
I think that if the broker wanted to be a real a$$hole, he could
realistically forced Skip to go to survey where he could then reject the
boat.

The contract stated very plainly that it was contingent on personal
inspection by Lydia, which we did in detail over the weekend when I got
home, including my usual detailed video and notes. In addition, as I
continue the trip, I'd set that up a bit by comparing this boat to many we'd
already seen, along with ones I was seeing later in the trip. Unless the
boat really wound her clock when we did the review, it was already a dead
duck. Case in point was a totally bristol, much better equipped, Endeavour
43 that I'd seen with the asshole broker (the one he kept pressuring me to
buy while there was a contract working) which could have been bought at
essentially the same price. Back to the contract, there was no gray area,
other than a potential, I suppose, to interpret "personal inspection" to
mean on-site. And this broker was no asshole...

If this we my deal, I would have put a $dollar value on the cosmetics and
then proceeded to the contract and survey phase and find out what the real
cost would be bring the boat back to Bristol. There is always a reason
why
a boat will not sell after three years and it is generally condition,
condition, condition. All that relates to price. A Mason 43 is a
fantastic
boat and is worth putting some money into but you don't throw away the
deal
until you hear from the surveyor. Skip will end up looking back at this
boat knowing he could have done the cosmetic work for half what he is
spending in the search.

Heh. I think I'm even better at doing bargains than you, Bruce. Our total
search costs - travel expenses, including rental cars during fixing - and
those costs, too, since if we'd done them at home they'd have been parts
only - of our classics which we'd rather drive, instead of some stale
relia-box, to date are under 2 grand. If you think I can get teak decks
removed and redone, other teak refinished and structurally alter a stern
cabin (cosmetically) for anything close to that, I'm all ears, because I
think it could be bought, still. However, there's still the issue of having
no stern cabin when the mods were done (the entry space would now be filled
with berth) - and then there's the issue that I'd rather have your boat than
that one, redone, particularly at the same price, and I know where one is...

We're getting very much closer, and I'm encouraged, whereas I was definitely
discouraged after the first FL segment of our search. We now have choices,
and I fully expect to have others by the time I'm finished this year. As
always, if a boat reaches out and grabs me by the neck and won't let go,
most likely we'll buy it. So far the only instance of that is one which is
half again beyond our (already substantially raised) budget - but we're
thinking about it, even so...

L8R

Skip
PS
See how our Endeavour is progressing at
www.cruisinglife.net/horizonproject.htm

I'm impressed - but as long as it's taking, given the temperament here, I
imagine you've gotten a lot of flak about why you're not out sailing, since
it obviously is taking too long, and you're much too fussy :{))

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

BinaryBillTheSailor writes:
.... You need a shrink, not
a boat.


Probably true of everyone here. There is no logical reason at all why
anybody should have a boat, and many sound & logical reasons why
having a boat is destructive.

However, a boat (or the search for one) is a lot more fun that a
shrink.



Nomen Nescio wrote:
And while I'm at it, you snobs need to make up your minds. Do
folks need to have a specific list of things they want in a boat,
or do they not?

No. Folk need *my* list of specific traits & characterisitcs in their
boat. Everyone would be better off, safer, more seaworthy, happier in
every way, if they had the boat *I* choose for them.

I don't understand all this resistance, if only people would do as I
say, the world would a far better place.


WaIIy wrote:

Another crabby sailor chimes in. You sound like "Nomen" (isn't
that
from "Married With Children"?), anyway.. Skip is careful and
calculated.

He has a plan.

That's not what you said last week. Why the change of heart?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

BinaryBillTheSailor writes:
.... You need a shrink, not
a boat.


Probably true of everyone here. There is no logical reason at all why
anybody should have a boat, and many sound & logical reasons why
having a boat is destructive.

However, a boat (or the search for one) is a lot more fun that a
shrink.



Nomen Nescio wrote:
And while I'm at it, you snobs need to make up your minds. Do
folks need to have a specific list of things they want in a boat,
or do they not?

No. Folk need *my* list of specific traits & characterisitcs in their
boat. Everyone would be better off, safer, more seaworthy, happier in
every way, if they had the boat *I* choose for them.

I don't understand all this resistance, if only people would do as I
say, the world would a far better place.


WaIIy wrote:

Another crabby sailor chimes in. You sound like "Nomen" (isn't
that
from "Married With Children"?), anyway.. Skip is careful and
calculated.

He has a plan.

That's not what you said last week. Why the change of heart?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

There some people who love sailing or just being on the water. There are
others that love to work on boats, others that like to own boats, and still
others that like to look at boats. Some people have a few of these
characteristics, some only have one.

I have a friend who has been looking at boats for 15 years. He has never
bought one. Over that time, I have owned 6 . My wife and I chuckle every
time he mentions a boat.

There is no perfect boat. If somebody really wants to go sailing he will do
it. Not having the prefect boat is just an excuse not to go.

Bill

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 02:21:51 GMT, "Skip Gundlach"
.due.to.spam wrote:

This originally appeared in a thread about marine heads...

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
Skip
What kind of boat did you buy?

We haven't yet. We had an accepted offer on a Mason 43 which Lydia
rejected
based on the teak and stern cabin redo needed. We expect the deposit
back
this week.


You should not have a boat. It's a far too variable and spontaneous thing
for
you to deal with.

If you really wanted a great boat, you would have bought one long ago.
There is
absolutely no legitimate reason that you have been doing all this
foundering.
You need a shrink, not a boat.

BB

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

There some people who love sailing or just being on the water. There are
others that love to work on boats, others that like to own boats, and still
others that like to look at boats. Some people have a few of these
characteristics, some only have one.

I have a friend who has been looking at boats for 15 years. He has never
bought one. Over that time, I have owned 6 . My wife and I chuckle every
time he mentions a boat.

There is no perfect boat. If somebody really wants to go sailing he will do
it. Not having the prefect boat is just an excuse not to go.

Bill

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 02:21:51 GMT, "Skip Gundlach"
.due.to.spam wrote:

This originally appeared in a thread about marine heads...

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
Skip
What kind of boat did you buy?

We haven't yet. We had an accepted offer on a Mason 43 which Lydia
rejected
based on the teak and stern cabin redo needed. We expect the deposit
back
this week.


You should not have a boat. It's a far too variable and spontaneous thing
for
you to deal with.

If you really wanted a great boat, you would have bought one long ago.
There is
absolutely no legitimate reason that you have been doing all this
foundering.
You need a shrink, not a boat.

BB

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

Planting tongue in cheek, I respond:

"Bill" wrote in message
...
There some people who love sailing or just being on the water. There are
others that love to work on boats, others that like to own boats, and
still
others that like to look at boats. Some people have a few of these
characteristics, some only have one.

I have a friend who has been looking at boats for 15 years. He has never
bought one. Over that time, I have owned 6 . My wife and I chuckle every
time he mentions a boat.

What kind of boat do you live on, where do you cruise, and did you do it
from cash or from liquidating assets?

We're cutting the lines; it will be our home.

And by the way, I currently own 9 boats, and three windsurfers and have
owned 6 others previously, now sold, so...

There is no perfect boat. If somebody really wants to go sailing he will
do
it. Not having the prefect boat is just an excuse not to go.

I don't need the perfect boat to go sailing. Or rowing (sculling), alone or
with another. Or water skiing. Or cruising to watch the fireworks or last
night's meteor shower that was drowned out by 2 inches of rain. I can step
out my back door and commence with what I already own. I do need something
completely different than what I have - or have thus far encountered before
two weeks ago - to be able to leave solid land for the rest of my life.

Oh, and I've been a boat owner for about 30 years, one way or another,
continuously.

Tongue back inside, all the above is gospel, not malarkey. At least what
*I* wrote :{))

L8R

Skip

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

Planting tongue in cheek, I respond:

"Bill" wrote in message
...
There some people who love sailing or just being on the water. There are
others that love to work on boats, others that like to own boats, and
still
others that like to look at boats. Some people have a few of these
characteristics, some only have one.

I have a friend who has been looking at boats for 15 years. He has never
bought one. Over that time, I have owned 6 . My wife and I chuckle every
time he mentions a boat.

What kind of boat do you live on, where do you cruise, and did you do it
from cash or from liquidating assets?

We're cutting the lines; it will be our home.

And by the way, I currently own 9 boats, and three windsurfers and have
owned 6 others previously, now sold, so...

There is no perfect boat. If somebody really wants to go sailing he will
do
it. Not having the prefect boat is just an excuse not to go.

I don't need the perfect boat to go sailing. Or rowing (sculling), alone or
with another. Or water skiing. Or cruising to watch the fireworks or last
night's meteor shower that was drowned out by 2 inches of rain. I can step
out my back door and commence with what I already own. I do need something
completely different than what I have - or have thus far encountered before
two weeks ago - to be able to leave solid land for the rest of my life.

Oh, and I've been a boat owner for about 30 years, one way or another,
continuously.

Tongue back inside, all the above is gospel, not malarkey. At least what
*I* wrote :{))

L8R

Skip

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

Subject: We bought a boat - but gave it back
From: WaIIy

Skip is careful and calculated.

He has a plan.


Which seems to be working out rather well.
If, that is, he never intends to actually buy a boat.

Capt. Bill

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

Subject: We bought a boat - but gave it back
From: WaIIy

Skip is careful and calculated.

He has a plan.


Which seems to be working out rather well.
If, that is, he never intends to actually buy a boat.

Capt. Bill

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

I totally agree - even if they bought a boat, they would obviously have
problems deciding wether to go out or not, then the ghastly decision of what
time to leave. etc etc. Get real

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 02:21:51 GMT, "Skip Gundlach"
.due.to.spam wrote:

This originally appeared in a thread about marine heads...

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
Skip
What kind of boat did you buy?

We haven't yet. We had an accepted offer on a Mason 43 which Lydia
rejected
based on the teak and stern cabin redo needed. We expect the deposit
back
this week.


You should not have a boat. It's a far too variable and spontaneous thing
for
you to deal with.

If you really wanted a great boat, you would have bought one long ago.
There is
absolutely no legitimate reason that you have been doing all this
foundering.
You need a shrink, not a boat.

BB

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

I totally agree - even if they bought a boat, they would obviously have
problems deciding wether to go out or not, then the ghastly decision of what
time to leave. etc etc. Get real

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 02:21:51 GMT, "Skip Gundlach"
.due.to.spam wrote:

This originally appeared in a thread about marine heads...

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
Skip
What kind of boat did you buy?

We haven't yet. We had an accepted offer on a Mason 43 which Lydia
rejected
based on the teak and stern cabin redo needed. We expect the deposit
back
this week.


You should not have a boat. It's a far too variable and spontaneous thing
for
you to deal with.

If you really wanted a great boat, you would have bought one long ago.
There is
absolutely no legitimate reason that you have been doing all this
foundering.
You need a shrink, not a boat.

BB

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

I think you do need to buy a boat and use it. You can use it and change if you
want. Life is too short for the stuff you are describing.

Take it for one who know's. We bought a hull and deck and spent 4 years
building it. In retrospect, we shoulda bought a boat sooner, sailed it, sold
it and bought another.

On the other hand, we are proud of her.

fairwinds.

Rich
SV Jasmine

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

I think you do need to buy a boat and use it. You can use it and change if you
want. Life is too short for the stuff you are describing.

Take it for one who know's. We bought a hull and deck and spent 4 years
building it. In retrospect, we shoulda bought a boat sooner, sailed it, sold
it and bought another.

On the other hand, we are proud of her.

fairwinds.

Rich
SV Jasmine

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

Sorry I didn't get to this sooner - I was on yet another trip with a myriad
of boats to see...

"Toolowd" wrote in message
...
I think you do need to buy a boat and use it. You can use it and change
if you
want. Life is too short for the stuff you are describing.

Take it for one who know's. We bought a hull and deck and spent 4 years
building it. In retrospect, we shoulda bought a boat sooner, sailed it,
sold
it and bought another.

On the other hand, we are proud of her.

fairwinds.

Rich
SV Jasmine

Well, sorta. We expect to put the huge majority of our liquid assets into
the boat, and then cut the lines and live aboard it, sailing it in every
free moment, and cruising when we're not working in the high season. Can't
easily just start over with a different boat.

That said, the more I read, in various places, the more I realize that we're
doing about what all the serious liveaboarders have done - but we're talking
about it in the process.

Read the recent Good Old Boat issues for some pointed examples of that.
Read some Cruising World issues, join the sailnet newsletter list and read
some of the ones who are really doing it's stories, and you'll see, if
anything, we're making extraordinary progress. It looks very much like
we'll have bought our home in less than a year since we started the process
of actually looking, including the missteps of trying (thus far futilely) to
find a boat I could stand and sleep on at too little money and length.

The one thing we've not yet done that all the others seem to have (and we're
hopeful of avoiding if at all possible) is to have boats we walk from after
buying a survey. David Pascoe (a surveyor, mostly of power boats) has a
marvelous website with what I consider to be a large amount of resources;
his essay about 'after the survey' is priceless - and happens to agree with
my thoughts about a survey which has revealed some problems with an older
boat. So, absent some really horrific stuff, likely we'll buy the boat
we've chosen to survey...

Stay tuned for an update on our travails and travels...

L8R

Skip (and Lydia, by proxy

--
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away
from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover." - Mark Twain

We bought a boat - but gave it back
 

Sorry I didn't get to this sooner - I was on yet another trip with a myriad
of boats to see...

"Toolowd" wrote in message
...
I think you do need to buy a boat and use it. You can use it and change
if you
want. Life is too short for the stuff you are describing.

Take it for one who know's. We bought a hull and deck and spent 4 years
building it. In retrospect, we shoulda bought a boat sooner, sailed it,
sold
it and bought another.

On the other hand, we are proud of her.

fairwinds.

Rich
SV Jasmine

Well, sorta. We expect to put the huge majority of our liquid assets into
the boat, and then cut the lines and live aboard it, sailing it in every
free moment, and cruising when we're not working in the high season. Can't
easily just start over with a different boat.

That said, the more I read, in various places, the more I realize that we're
doing about what all the serious liveaboarders have done - but we're talking
about it in the process.

Read the recent Good Old Boat issues for some pointed examples of that.
Read some Cruising World issues, join the sailnet newsletter list and read
some of the ones who are really doing it's stories, and you'll see, if
anything, we're making extraordinary progress. It looks very much like
we'll have bought our home in less than a year since we started the process
of actually looking, including the missteps of trying (thus far futilely) to
find a boat I could stand and sleep on at too little money and length.

The one thing we've not yet done that all the others seem to have (and we're
hopeful of avoiding if at all possible) is to have boats we walk from after
buying a survey. David Pascoe (a surveyor, mostly of power boats) has a
marvelous website with what I consider to be a large amount of resources;
his essay about 'after the survey' is priceless - and happens to agree with
my thoughts about a survey which has revealed some problems with an older
boat. So, absent some really horrific stuff, likely we'll buy the boat
we've chosen to survey...

Stay tuned for an update on our travails and travels...

L8R

Skip (and Lydia, by proxy

--
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away
from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover." - Mark Twain

I've been cleaning out my files and stumbled across this, and a later one.
Long-timers here will recall our boat search adventures. Given the events
of the past 18 months, I thought this was worth a grin and a rejoinder (also
an update at the end):

wrote in message
...
"Bruce" wrote in message
...
Skip
What kind of boat did you buy?

We haven't yet. We had an accepted offer on a Mason 43 which Lydia
rejected
based on the teak and stern cabin redo needed. We expect the deposit back
this week.


You should not have a boat. It's a far too variable and spontaneous thing
for
you to deal with.

If you really wanted a great boat, you would have bought one long ago.
There is
absolutely no legitimate reason that you have been doing all this
foundering.
You need a shrink, not a boat.

BB

PPHHHHHHHHBBBBBBBBBBBBBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLTTTTTTTTTTTT !

He also later said, and I responded:

"Bill" wrote in message
...
There some people who love sailing or just being on the water. There are
others that love to work on boats, others that like to own boats, and
still
others that like to look at boats. Some people have a few of these
characteristics, some only have one.

I have a friend who has been looking at boats for 15 years. He has never
bought one. Over that time, I have owned 6 . My wife and I chuckle every
time he mentions a boat.

What kind of boat do you live on, where do you cruise, and did you do it
from cash or from liquidating assets?

We're cutting the lines; it will be our home.
**********
I had more to say, but that part was enough :{))

I found/find it telling he's been silent, ever since (well, at least on the
subject of our getting a boat, or anything else we've been up to).

Those here for any length of time know we not only bought our boat, but are
close to the end of a very major refit which was enabled, time-wise, by some
surgical challenges I faced. Those refit items have markedly changed our
boat's character, and the recent surgery has markedly changed my shoulder's
character.

I'm now in active rehab, with PT to start in a week. The main thrust of
that PT will be to re-educate the teres major and part of the latissimus
dorsi (which were relocated to over the shoulder to allow lifting where the
infra- and supraspinatus had failed in two prior operations with
accompanying infection) to do something they never had before.

I'm able to do virtually anything I used to do (in the last several years,
post first operation-failure), as far as I can tell, so will likely begin
going to the boat for final stuff. The target is to reliably place my hand
above my head in an unstable environment (find a handhold when it's bouncy,
e.g.); once that's achieved, it's provision, sea-trials and cut the cord.
We're hopeful of early next year.

In the meantime, I'm rehabbing two stinkpots for sale, finishing emptying my
home for sale (one option contract in place, and a purchase contract
pending). Lydia's been out of hers for 6 months, now, living in a cottage
about the interior space of our boat without the second cabin or head.
While I'm doing my exercises, I'm going to also be studying for my Ham and
code license, researching the remaining stuff (like windlasses!), getting
familiar with the navigation suite we got to go along with all the paper
charts, etc.

So, not only have we bought a boat, we're very close to shoving off. Those
of you who were supportive throughout that period know who you are - and so
do I :{)) and appreciate it.

The ones in the other camp, I ask the same questions I did of BS Bill. If
you can't answer them in something close to our experience/destination ...

.... well, I guess I won't be seeing you out there, after all :{))

L8R

Skip, rehabbing as fast as I can in order to begin refitting again, and
Lydia, still salt-mining away to keep the kitty fed

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her

"And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a clear
night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize that you are
quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to you that in the
general scheme of things you are merely an insignificant speck on the
surface of the ocean; and are not nearly so important or as self-sufficient
as you thought you were. Which is an exceedingly wholesome thought, and one
that may effect a permanent change in your deportment that will be greatly
appreciated by your friends."- James S. Pitkin

In article ,
"Skip Gundlach" wrote:

I'm now in active rehab, with PT to start in a week.

CONGRATS!

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/