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I have an 11' tender which is currently supplied with rowlocks. It is
fiberglass and quite heavy. What size Outboard should I buy? |
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"Molesworth" wrote in message ... I have an 11' tender which is currently supplied with rowlocks. It is fiberglass and quite heavy. What size Outboard should I buy? If you are using it as a tender, I'd stay with a 3 to 4 hp outboard. You'd want something reasonably light to lug around. |
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Molesworth wrote:
I have an 11' tender which is currently supplied with rowlocks. It is fiberglass and quite heavy. What size Outboard should I buy? Anything less than 9,9HP and you are kidding yourself, and it WILL be 4 cyl, if you're smart. Lew |
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On Jun 8, 10:22 am, Lew Hodgett wrote:
Molesworth wrote: I have an 11' tender which is currently supplied with rowlocks. It is fiberglass and quite heavy. What size Outboard should I buy? Anything less than 9,9HP and you are kidding yourself, and it WILL be 4 cyl, if you're smart. Lew Maybe... If the dink is a round bottomed pulling boat then 2 or 3 hp is all it will be able to use anyway. More power would just make it dangerous. If it has a planning hull then it could use more power but we need to know something about the service the tender will be in before we know if he will want it. I use our dink as our car and often travel a mile or two from the boat to a village. For that a big motor would be a nice thing, but we put up with a 5hp 2 stroke Yamaha because it is light. When we're at an anchorage where we are close the the dock then two or three would be better... Four strokes are heavy and still don't have the reliably and service network that two strokes have. So, if you are headed to the wilderness a 2 stroke is a better bet but if you're puttering about at idle in a pond then a clean quiet four stroke is the way to go... -- Tom. |
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Dave wrote:
Then of course you have the greenies who are so pure they wouldn't consider a 2 cycle of any kind for fear of fouling their air. If you expect to put an 11 ft boat with say 400 lbs of people and gear up on a plane, with say a 2 ft chop, then 9.9 HP may not be enough, but it certainly a minimum. As far as 2 cyl is concerned, it's a dead dog, as it has been known. California outlawed the existing technology a few years ago since it was the major source of MTEP, a known cancer causing compound, in the ground water. As California goes, the rest of the nation follows, it's just a matter of time. There has been some effort to develop nonpolluting 2 cycle technology, but it still has a way to go. Lew |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... Then of course you have the greenies who are so pure they wouldn't consider a 2 cycle of any kind for fear of fouling their air. Different strokes... It's also about fouling the water, but if it's important to you to have a 2-stroke, there are lots of good used ones on the market, just know what you're doing... http://www.hikersforcleanair.org/papers/2cycle.html -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Charlie Morgan wrote:
For the price of a 4-stroke 9.9 he could find an 11 foot Portabote AND a 5 HP motor that would be enough to make it plane. The boat would weigh about 70 pounds and would give a fast dry ride. Then it folds up in about 10 minutes into a package about the size and shape of a surfboard. Porta-botes row well, too. He should just dump the old heavy dinghy and start over with a better boat. That old heavy boat is a liability in several directions. I have the smallest (8.5') porta-bote and a 29 pound, 3.5 hp motor. It planes quite easily. I can set it up on the foredeck of my 27 foot sailboat and hand launch it over the lifelines in about 7 minutes with no help. I routinely drag it up on shore without any fear of sharp rocks or broken glass. Its one tough little boat. CWM Hey good to see a porta-bote user. I ordered a 10' Porta-bote to take to Mazatlan where my boat is spending the summer. I have a 2.5hp mercury there to go with it. My boat is 32'. Do you think I will be satisfied with it? How easy is it to pull it back up onto the deck? I know it says around 50lbs. What tricks or technics do you use for launching and retrieving? Sorry to flood you with questions. Jeannette Bristol 32, Con Te Partiro |
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"Jeannette" wrote in message . net... Charlie Morgan wrote: For the price of a 4-stroke 9.9 he could find an 11 foot Portabote AND a 5 HP motor that would be enough to make it plane. The boat would weigh about 70 pounds and would give a fast dry ride. Then it folds up in about 10 minutes into a package about the size and shape of a surfboard. Porta-botes row well, too. He should just dump the old heavy dinghy and start over with a better boat. That old heavy boat is a liability in several directions. I have the smallest (8.5') porta-bote and a 29 pound, 3.5 hp motor. It planes quite easily. I can set it up on the foredeck of my 27 foot sailboat and hand launch it over the lifelines in about 7 minutes with no help. I routinely drag it up on shore without any fear of sharp rocks or broken glass. Its one tough little boat. CWM Hey good to see a porta-bote user. I ordered a 10' Porta-bote to take to Mazatlan where my boat is spending the summer. I have a 2.5hp mercury there to go with it. My boat is 32'. Do you think I will be satisfied with it? How easy is it to pull it back up onto the deck? I know it says around 50lbs. What tricks or technics do you use for launching and retrieving? Sorry to flood you with questions. Jeannette Bristol 32, Con Te Partiro I looked at those porti-boats at a boat show. The lady selling them was real nice and friendly but when she told me the price I was shocked. Over a grand for a little fold up piece of plastic seemed a bit much. Anyway I'm glad the price put me off because I've seen them since plying various anchorages and they sort of snake and flex their way through the water looking like a cross between an inflatable and a rigid boat. May I suggest a good quality, nesting dinghy instead. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Dave wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:22:31 GMT, Lew Hodgett said: Molesworth wrote: I have an 11' tender which is currently supplied with rowlocks. It is fiberglass and quite heavy. What size Outboard should I buy? Anything less than 9,9HP and you are kidding yourself, and it WILL be 4 cyl, if you're smart. Lew Seems to me it's silly to suggest there's one "best" answer. Depends very much on your own needs and preferences. I use a 2 1/2 hp 2 cycle for the reasons Larry outlines--it's light and easy to use. And the Seagull's simplicity and reliability are hard to beat, though that's not what I have. Sorry not to have explained. It will be used to go to shore and back only, when we are offshore and can't get to a marina or dock. It's a round bottom, old-fashioned thing and, as I said, v. heavy. I have had a quad bypass so don't have a lot of upper body strength! The suggestion regarding Port-a-bote looks like a winner. Light and easily managed. Thanks for that, and all your input. -- Molesworth |
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Lew Hodgett wrote in news:BHjai.2316$tb6.1553
@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: If you expect to put an 11 ft boat with say 400 lbs of people and gear up on a plane, with say a 2 ft chop, then 9.9 HP may not be enough, but it certainly a minimum. Should 400 pounds of people and gear be IN an 11' boat in a 2' chop with a heavy 4-cycle 9.9hp outboard on one end in the first place? How much transom freeboard over 2 ft does that have?! Sitting at the dock with just the motor on it only shows 18" of transom unless the dock lines are too tight! Must be awful WIDE.....(c; Those waves are awful high! Larry -- http://www.spp.gov/ The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP |
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Dave wrote in news:i9oj63pcafmforuo8lln0uru0frjkqki5c@
4ax.com: There has been some effort to develop nonpolluting 2 cycle technology, but it still has a way to go. Proving my point. I find all this just too funny. Most of the massive containerships burning 75 tons of heavy oil a couple of grades above Bunker C in their 38000 hp diesels are TWO STROKERS! Consumers are just so easy to dupe...(c; You gotta hear one air start and run to appreciate it. Larry -- http://www.spp.gov/ The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in news:136jlgltl9kpd89
@corp.supernews.com: http://www.hikersforcleanair.org/papers/2cycle.html "the 2-cycle gasoline engine has not been improved significantly since it was introduced in the 1940’s. 2-cycle gasoline engines, which take in fuel and emit exhaust in the same stroke, still dump from 25-30% of their fuel unburned directly into our environment. 2-stroke engines also emit particulates in amounts up to 45 times greater than diesel engines." The Greenies have their facts all screwed up. I used to own an Elto 1hp little outboard my grandfather gave me for Christmas with a beautifully- rebuilt oak rowboat when I was 8. (I could hardly see over the bow from the tiller!) Two stroke engines go back a lot further than 1940! Look out over your lake. Do you see it? Do you see that 4 ft thick coating of Quaker State SAE 30 floating on top from a hundred years of 2- stroke boating mixed 15:1 with the tractor gas from my grandfathers hand- pumped tank in the garage? No, look closer, again! What? You don't see it? Well, look again! Do you see even a little oil sheen? I dumped a lot of 2-stroke, 15:1 gas in there trying to fuel the little Elto's top tank in the lake with the waves sloshing me around. It's gotta be there! Oh, come on! There must be SOME evidence of the time I lost the new gas can with 1 gallon of gas/oil overboard when a wake threw both of us in the drink! The slick that came up from the sunken tank was HUGE! My clothes were ruined! I was the laughing stock of all my grandfather's fishing buddies, who unfortunately for me were all sitting on the patio when I finally ROWED back to his dock gasping for breath! Well, that's crazy! Where'd it all go?! What? You mean it EVAPORATED?! You're as crazy as I am! Larry -- http://www.spp.gov/ The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP |
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Molesworth wrote in news:ukmole-
: The suggestion regarding Port-a-bote looks like a winner. Light and easily managed. Thanks for that, and all your input. What gets you about a Portabote is how DRY the ride is....after being soaked a few times in the damned inflatable Zodiac toy boats. 5hp planes a Portabote really easy! Larry -- http://www.spp.gov/ The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP |
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Charlie Morgan wrote in
: I have the smallest (8.5') porta-bote and a 29 pound, 3.5 hp motor. It planes quite easily. I can set it up on the foredeck of my 27 foot sailboat and hand launch it over the lifelines in about 7 minutes with no help. I routinely drag it up on shore without any fear of sharp rocks or broken glass. Its one tough little boat. Charlie. We have a 12' Portabote on Lionheart. To launch and retrieve, we do it VERTICALLY! We clip on a line from the top of the mast to the boat's bow bridle, folded up. Winch the boat up the mast until the stern just barely clears the deck, bottom to the mast. Pull it apart and set the seats and transom in place. (I'm too lazy to bend down to do the transom. It's better winched up to chest level unless there's a gale.) Now, with the boat put together, haul it away from the mast and flip it over so its stern's bottom lays on the rail. Grab the stern line that's longer than the boat but let the boat pull stern away as she goes in the water to leeward. While paying out the line around the winch drum to control the bow, simply push the stern overboard and let her have her lead to leeward, still tied off to the mast. When the bow goes overboard, clip on her bowline you already tied off to a cleat. Unclip the topping lift and pull her in with the long stern line alongside, ready to load with the motor and broken boat parts that always need to go ashore...(c; We haul her up the mast to leeward in reverse order to take her apart and stow her against the port rail. "We shoulda got the 14' model.", Cap'n Geoffrey has said many times while towing all that crap ashore...(c; Two more feet would have been just as easy to setup this way....(c; Larry -- Portabote beats blowup dolls every time! |
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Jeannette wrote in news:Milai.16812$C96.16140
@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net: What tricks or technics do you use for launching and retrieving? Winching it up the mast works wonderfully....Even one person can do it all. See my other post how we do it. "We shoulda got the 14' model." - Cap'n Geoffrey...(c; Larry -- http://www.spp.gov/ The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP |
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Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:22:31 GMT, Lew Hodgett wrote: Molesworth wrote: I have an 11' tender which is currently supplied with rowlocks. It is fiberglass and quite heavy. What size Outboard should I buy? Anything less than 9,9HP and you are kidding yourself, and it WILL be 4 cyl, if you're smart. Lew For the price of a 4-stroke 9.9 he could find an 11 foot Portabote AND a 5 HP motor that would be enough to make it plane. The boat would weigh about 70 pounds and would give a fast dry ride. Then it folds up in about 10 minutes into a package about the size and shape of a surfboard. Porta-botes row well, too. He should just dump the old heavy dinghy and start over with a better boat. That old heavy boat is a liability in several directions. I have the smallest (8.5') porta-bote and a 29 pound, 3.5 hp motor. It planes quite easily. I can set it up on the foredeck of my 27 foot sailboat and hand launch it over the lifelines in about 7 minutes with no help. I routinely drag it up on shore without any fear of sharp rocks or broken glass. Its one tough little boat. Cool. That would be about this size, wouldn't it? http://www.porta-bote.com/history.html DT |
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Lew Hodgett brought forth on stone tablets:
Molesworth wrote: I have an 11' tender which is currently supplied with rowlocks. It is fiberglass and quite heavy. What size Outboard should I buy? Anything less than 9,9HP and you are kidding yourself, and it WILL be 4 cyl, if you're smart. Lew A 4 cyl 9.9 HP outboard would be a marvel of miniturization. Perhaps you meant a 4 cycle engine - you know - the heavy ones you have to set down just so, or they'll dump heavy crankcase oil on the dock and then into the water... bob s/v Eolian Seattle |
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RW Salnick wrote in news:f4mi8u$34i$1
@gnus01.u.washington.edu: A 4 cyl 9.9 HP outboard would be a marvel of miniturization. Perhaps you meant a 4 cycle engine - you know - the heavy ones you have to set down just so, or they'll dump heavy crankcase oil on the dock and then into the water... You haven't seen some of the multicylinder model airplane engines, have you....(c; http://www.osengines.com/engines/osmg1320.html 4 cylinder, 4.1hp @ 8000 RPM, 4 stroke diesel, 13.3ccX4 What a great inboard dingy it would make...(c; .....hooked to a surface drive... Use two of them....twin engine airboat dingy! Larry -- http://www.spp.gov/ The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP |
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Larry wrote:
RW Salnick wrote in news:f4mi8u$34i$1 @gnus01.u.washington.edu: A 4 cyl 9.9 HP outboard would be a marvel of miniturization. Perhaps you meant a 4 cycle engine - you know - the heavy ones you have to set down just so, or they'll dump heavy crankcase oil on the dock and then into the water... You haven't seen some of the multicylinder model airplane engines, have you....(c; http://www.osengines.com/engines/osmg1320.html 4 cylinder, 4.1hp @ 8000 RPM, 4 stroke diesel, 13.3ccX4 What a great inboard dingy it would make...(c; ....hooked to a surface drive... Use two of them....twin engine airboat dingy! Larry 4HP and it weighs less than five pounds? Why AREN'T we using them for outboards??? DT |
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dt wrote in news:f4p0hv$3nl$1
@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu: 4HP and it weighs less than five pounds? Why AREN'T we using them for outboards??? DT The question arises: Why aren't they already built INTO the dinks? One of the best inventions I've seen someone make was at our marina not long ago. These transients had a small inflatable powered by a $69 Weedeater they had built a tiller for. The weedeater engine was held to the transom with an adjustable motor mount for a trolling motor (adjusts depth of prop up and down). They took the weed whacker off the bottom. They then bent the aluminum tubing into an 80 degree from it's 45 degree so the prop would point back, not down. The power comes down the tubing to the weed whacker on a speedometer cable flexible shaft. To keep the salt out of it, they filled the aluminum tubing with a light grease, then put the end bearing back on it. A trolling motor prop from WalMart was attached to the weed whacker drive where the spool goes. The drive shaft with the little engine on top is vertical. The deadman throttle cable normally on a plastic mount, which was discarded, was moved to a tiller handle made from another piece of aluminum tubing under the engine. If your hand left the tiller, he had the throttle set to stall the engine so the boat couldn't run off by itself if the kid fell overboard. It simply stopped. Voila! The $99 AIR COOLED (never flushed), 2-stroke outboard motor! His kids were riding around in that dingy a lot...great fun. He told me it was just too cheap to repair. When the kids wore that motor out, he would simply replace it with another "outboard from Home Depot"....(c; 1 gallon of gas is enough for a whole weekend in the tiny, tiny carb. Obviously, dingy power DOESN'T have to cost the same as a car....(c; Larry -- http://www.spp.gov/ The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP |
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JohnW wrote in news:MPG.20da1ccdeb697eaa989804
@news.aaisp.net.uk: if I could work out the cooling :-) Two 12V PC cooling fans and a gelcell?...(c; Larry -- http://www.spp.gov/ The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP |
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:55:58 -0500, dt wrote:
4HP and it weighs less than five pounds? Why AREN'T we using them for outboards??? 8,000 RPM without a proper lubrication system or cooling is not going to last very long. That thing is putting out about 5 hp per cubic inch which is comparable to a drag racing engine designed for 6 second bursts at full power. |
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Larry wrote:
dt wrote in news:f4p0hv$3nl$1 @geraldo.cc.utexas.edu: 4HP and it weighs less than five pounds? Why AREN'T we using them for outboards??? DT The question arises: Why aren't they already built INTO the dinks? One of the best inventions I've seen someone make was at our marina not long ago. These transients had a small inflatable powered by a $69 Weedeater they had built a tiller for. The weedeater engine was held to the transom with an adjustable motor mount for a trolling motor (adjusts depth of prop up and down). They took the weed whacker off the bottom. They then bent the aluminum tubing into an 80 degree from it's 45 degree so the prop would point back, not down. The power comes down the tubing to the weed whacker on a speedometer cable flexible shaft. To keep the salt out of it, they filled the aluminum tubing with a light grease, then put the end bearing back on it. A trolling motor prop from WalMart was attached to the weed whacker drive where the spool goes. The drive shaft with the little engine on top is vertical. The deadman throttle cable normally on a plastic mount, which was discarded, was moved to a tiller handle made from another piece of aluminum tubing under the engine. If your hand left the tiller, he had the throttle set to stall the engine so the boat couldn't run off by itself if the kid fell overboard. It simply stopped. Voila! The $99 AIR COOLED (never flushed), 2-stroke outboard motor! His kids were riding around in that dingy a lot...great fun. He told me it was just too cheap to repair. When the kids wore that motor out, he would simply replace it with another "outboard from Home Depot"....(c; 1 gallon of gas is enough for a whole weekend in the tiny, tiny carb. Obviously, dingy power DOESN'T have to cost the same as a car....(c; Larry Indian kids at Neah Bay adapted weed eater motors to their bicycles. Hop on and pedal and give it some juice. Engine starts and you keep pedaling to get some rpms. Then hang on! Nothing like a screaming 2 stroke smoking down the road at 30 mph probably with no brakes. Res cops finally banned them. Gordon |
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Wayne.B wrote in
: 8,000 RPM without a proper lubrication system or cooling is not going to last very long. That thing is putting out about 5 hp per cubic inch which is comparable to a drag racing engine designed for 6 second bursts at full power. I delivered papers when I was a kid on a bike with a big newspaper boy's basket on the front..... On each corner of the basket, we affixed a Fox .60 model airplane engine with a throttled carb opened with string back to the left and right handgrips. Fuel came from a 1 gallon can we'd put a bottom fuel outlet into, gravity fed. Fuel was model airplane fuel, home made with mineral oil lube also used in our planes. Wide open on a flat road with one kid on it, I don't think we ever found our "terminal velocity" because the bike always came apart in some way before we maxed out the climbing speed....(c; Bike speedometers only went to 50, but the cable drive always overheated and failed as the pointer wound around to zero again...poorly lubed for high speed....broke the drive pin right off when they seized... Mom didn't like it because our clothes were always soaked in lube oil after a few miles buzzing around our little town. The cops busted us when the neighbors complained of the intense noise of 3 or 4 air-powered bikes drown out the TV in the living room...ending the fun. We used to ride them out in the country, then light off the engines, after that. I still have a few "self-induced scars" from these early adventures.... (c; In our little "gang", trying to get them to stop seizing over 12,000 RPM, way beyond their design rating of course, was more important than fighting or doing drugs. We DID have sex with a few girls, though. Seizing at 12,000 RPM was usually an "unrecoverable event"....(sigh) Larry -- http://www.spp.gov/ The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP |
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Larry wrote:
On each corner of the basket, we affixed a Fox .60 model airplane engine with a throttled carb opened with string back to the left and right handgrips. I probably predate you by a few years. Had a "FOX 35" which was a screaming demon, with a 10-6 prop, and the biggest one they made at the time. Had an "O/R 60" that had seen better days. Hooked it up to as drill motor and used it as a compressor to spray airplane dope. Ah yes, the toys of one's childhood. Lew |
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