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Roger Long May 11th 07 05:51 PM

Radio license questions
 
I'm filling out the FCC 605 forms so I can legally use my VHF when I go into
Canadian waters.

Do I need to have both an individual operator's license and a ship station
license? I don't see anyting in these forms that seem like the kind of
individual licence I got years ago unless it is the General Mobile Radio
Service , ZA, choice.

SA, Ship Recreational or Voluntarily Equipped, would seem to be the proper
choice but, would that let me use the radio on a US flag chartered vessel in
Canadian waters? (Assuming it had a Ship Station License)

Is there another form that I am missing?

--
Roger Long


Don White May 11th 07 06:49 PM

Radio license questions
 

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
I'm filling out the FCC 605 forms so I can legally use my VHF when I go
into Canadian waters.

Do I need to have both an individual operator's license and a ship station
license? I don't see anyting in these forms that seem like the kind of
individual licence I got years ago unless it is the General Mobile Radio
Service , ZA, choice.

SA, Ship Recreational or Voluntarily Equipped, would seem to be the proper
choice but, would that let me use the radio on a US flag chartered vessel
in Canadian waters? (Assuming it had a Ship Station License)

Is there another form that I am missing?

--
Roger Long



Back in 2000 I took a two night seminar with the CPS and wrote a test to
receive my Restricted Radio Operators License.
They had just done away with the requirement for a pleasure craft station
license.
Yes we do hvae to possess this license to operate a VHF...not sure about
aliens.
http://www.cps-ecp.ca/www.cps-ecp.ca.../mar_radio.htm



Roger Long May 11th 07 07:11 PM

Radio license questions
 
Don White wrote:

Yes we do hvae to possess this license to operate a VHF...not sure
about aliens.


Alien, that would be me, one of the grays.

--
Roger Long

[email protected] May 11th 07 07:26 PM

Radio license questions
 
On May 11, 6:51 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
I'm filling out the FCC 605 forms so I can legally use my VHF when I go into
Canadian waters.

Do I need to have both an individual operator's license and a ship station
license?...


I think you need a Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit (fcc
753L) for each operator (this is a no test license) and a Ship Radio
Station Authorization (fcc 605-S). Commercial operators need a Marine
Radio Operator Permit (fcc 605-FRC) which requires passing an exam.

-- Tom.


Roger Long May 11th 07 08:33 PM

Radio license questions
 
wrote:

I think you need a Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit (fcc
753L) for each operator (this is a no test license) and a Ship Radio
Station Authorization (fcc 605-S).


I think that's why I'm confused. The FCC weg site says that form 753 has
been replaced by 605, which I have. The only choices on that form with the
words "Restricted Radiotelephone" are under Commercial Radio operators
Services. It doesn't seem like that would apply to someone on a pleasure
vessel.

--
Roger Long


Roger Long May 11th 07 08:47 PM

Radio license questions
 
I just called the FCC.

I need to fill out two diferent 605 forms.

One with SA entered at the top for the ship station license. This is
accompanied by Schedule B since I have a DSC radio and need a MMSI.

One with RR entered at the top for the Restricted Radiotelephone Operator's
License. This is to be accompanied by Schedule E.

The fees are to be looked up on a Form 1070Y.

I was scribbling this down from what was told on the phone so we'll see if
it works. The web site is less than clear.

--
Roger Long


[email protected] May 11th 07 09:21 PM

Radio license questions
 
On May 11, 9:47 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
I just called the FCC.

I need to fill out two diferent 605 forms.

....

Sorry about the misinformation. I just pulled my licenses out of the
drawer and looked at them. I guess things have changed since I got
them.

-- Tom.


Larry May 12th 07 12:26 AM

Radio license questions
 
"Roger Long" wrote in news:4644c825$0$4909
:

The web site is less than clear.


You can do it all online.....

http://wireless.fcc.gov/uls/index.htm?job=home

Click REGISTER and follow the steps.

Then, click LOG IN and fill in the form data.

The FRN is so the bureaucrats can see if your illegally extracted Federal
Income Tax is paid. There's no law that says you owe it, but they won't
give you a license unless you relent.

It's just like a maze for rats, but ULS will get you your license, for
$$$$ of course....the whole point of FCC licensing, any more.

Larry
--
Hmm...My ex-wife changed her telephone number, yet again....(c;
Her ham license was modified....
Wonder who's chasing her now??

Roger Long May 12th 07 12:54 AM

Radio license questions
 

"Larry" wrote

You can do it all online.....


I saw that and would have done it but you have to send in two passport
photos. You can send them in separately to meet up with the on-line
paperwork later but I figured nobody was going to do anything with the
application until it was all together on their desk so, what was the point?

I also saw that I can print out and sign a form stating that I have filed
the applications and that then becomes my temporary license if posted next
to the radio. The question is whether the Canadians would honor that if my
radio use in their waters was questioned before the FCC gets around to
sending me the real thing. If it's anything like the FAA, that could be a
few years.

--
Roger Long



KLC Lewis May 12th 07 01:37 AM

Radio license questions
 

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...

"Larry" wrote

You can do it all online.....


I saw that and would have done it but you have to send in two passport
photos. You can send them in separately to meet up with the on-line
paperwork later but I figured nobody was going to do anything with the
application until it was all together on their desk so, what was the
point?

I also saw that I can print out and sign a form stating that I have filed
the applications and that then becomes my temporary license if posted next
to the radio. The question is whether the Canadians would honor that if
my radio use in their waters was questioned before the FCC gets around to
sending me the real thing. If it's anything like the FAA, that could be a
few years.

--
Roger Long


What I would like to know is whether or not any foreign governments actually
give a flier about US yachts using vhf radios in their waters. I suspect the
answer is "no, not really."



[email protected] May 12th 07 01:42 AM

Radio license questions
 
....
What I would like to know is whether or not any foreign governments actually
give a flier about US yachts using vhf radios in their waters. I suspect the
answer is "no, not really." ...


I've checked into an even dozen different foreign countries, most of
them two or three times and never had anyone check my radio licenses.
YMMV, and they are required so having them is the right thing to do.

-- Tom.



Don White May 12th 07 03:20 AM

Radio license questions
 

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...

"Larry" wrote

You can do it all online.....


I saw that and would have done it but you have to send in two passport
photos. You can send them in separately to meet up with the on-line
paperwork later but I figured nobody was going to do anything with the
application until it was all together on their desk so, what was the
point?

I also saw that I can print out and sign a form stating that I have filed
the applications and that then becomes my temporary license if posted next
to the radio. The question is whether the Canadians would honor that if
my radio use in their waters was questioned before the FCC gets around to
sending me the real thing. If it's anything like the FAA, that could be a
few years.

--
Roger Long


If you use the proper procedure I doubt very much if anyone would question
you.
No one has challanged me in the 7 years I've had my Restricted Radio
Operators License.
Remember boaters are spread a lot thinner up here than in your home waters.
I imagine it's the same with the Coast guard.
(Nova Scotia has over 7000 km of coastline)
http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/tol/...cle1673892.ece



Jack Hamilton May 12th 07 04:12 AM

Radio license questions
 
"Roger Long" wrote:

I also saw that I can print out and sign a form stating that I have filed
the applications and that then becomes my temporary license if posted next
to the radio. The question is whether the Canadians would honor that if my
radio use in their waters was questioned before the FCC gets around to
sending me the real thing. If it's anything like the FAA, that could be a
few years.


I don't know about the licenses you want, but my new GRMS license and
amateur radio renewal were done in weeks, not months.


Gordon May 12th 07 04:01 PM

Radio license questions
 
wrote:
When I took the PS course in the us two years ago they told us there
was no competency test for VHF in Canadian waters but there was a $150
"filing fee" and that you were required to have one on board (the
permit and the radio). I'm not sure if it applied to Canadians or if
it was the equivalent of a "cruising permit" now a popularized rip in
so many places. Post it if anyone gets a straight story.


I suspect the Canucks aren't ever going to ask unless the coasties
have reason to board you and you give them reason to hassle you. Around
here we often cross into ca waters to fish and occasionally their fish
and wildlife people will check for proper fishing license but they could
care less about anything else.
If you're visiting up there, why would they drive off a cash cow?
Gordon

Peter Bennett May 12th 07 06:34 PM

Radio license questions
 
On Sat, 12 May 2007 04:45:15 -0800, " ray lunder
wrote:

When I took the PS course in the us two years ago they told us there
was no competency test for VHF in Canadian waters but there was a $150
"filing fee" and that you were required to have one on board (the
permit and the radio). I'm not sure if it applied to Canadians or if
it was the equivalent of a "cruising permit" now a popularized rip in
so many places. Post it if anyone gets a straight story.


There are two or three different levels of regulation governing this
matter.

The International Telecommunications Union requires that all radio
transmitters be licensed, and operators must be qualified, but permits
individual countries to make exceptions that will only apply within
that country.

I understand that the US exempts US pleasure craft operating in the US
from requiring a ship station license, and perhaps a radio operator
certificate.

Canada exempts almost all Canadian vessels from requiring a Ship
Station License while operating in Canadian waters, or outside the
jurisdiction of another country. Operators require an operator's
certificate (which requires a test). Foreign vessels must be
licensed, and operators certified, by their home country.

The $150 filing fee mentioned above is paid to the US FCC to obtain
the US station license required by international rules when operating
outside US waters. It is not a "cruising fee", and is not assessed by
Canada.


--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
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tlindly May 14th 07 06:36 AM

Radio license questions
 
On May 11, 7:47 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
I just called the FCC.

snip

I was scribbling this down from what was told on the phone so we'll see if
it works. The web site is less than clear.

--
Roger Long


Try this for instructions
http://www.shakespeare-marine.com/ne...ense-steps.pdf

tom
=-==
p.s. I think you can also register your EPIRB on the SA form, or the
attachment, you'll see a block......


tlindly May 14th 07 06:39 AM

Radio license questions
 
On May 12, 12:37 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:


What I would like to know is whether or not any foreign governments actually
give a flier about US yachts using vhf radios in their waters. I suspect the
answer is "no, not really."



Only if you cussed over the air, from in their waters, or conducted
commerce without paying the appropriate bribes errrahhh taxes...



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