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One atmosphere is sea level. Pressure of 14.7psi is the air pressure at sea
level. Kinda makes sense, if it was the pressure at 33 feet below sea level then they wouldn't have called it an "atmosphere". At 33 feet you are now subject to one additional atmosphere for a total of two. 1.5 atmospheres is experienced at ~16 feet. "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:F5Cpb.875$62.52@lakeread04... One atmosphere of pressure (14.7 psi) is 33 feet of seawater. THe .445 is correct but your math is wrong. 1.5 atmospheres would be about 50 feet. Regardless, the normal pressure differential that our lungs produce is about 12 millibar or .17 psi. A person in very good health can inhale at a maximum pressure differential of about 100 milibars or 1.45 psi. That is about 39 inches of seawater. Just to verify the figures I went out to the boat shed, cranked up the vacuum system and tried to breathe from the vacuum tube. I couldn't get any air after 1.3 psi but I have probably inhaled more than my share of Cabosil. Rick wrote: Jim Richardson wrote: 2) The pressure at say, 7 feet depth, is about 1.5 atmospheres, The pressure at say, 7 feet depth, (in seawater) is about 3 psig. It would take another 9 feet to reach 1.5 ats. Seawater pressure increases at around .445 psig per foot. Rick -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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I'm sorry but that's not correct. At least according to when I was taught
dive physics. One atmosphere of pressure is every 33 feet of sea water. At sea level, above the surface of the water you are at one atmosphere of pressure. Zero atmospheres of pressure would be a vacum. As you descend in salt water (it's slightly different in fresh water but not by much) to a depth of 33 feet you're at two atmospheres of pressure, 66 feet equals 3 atmospheres, 99 feet 4 atmospheres etc.... 1.5 atmospheres of pressure is 16.5 feet of sea water. Jerry "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:F5Cpb.875$62.52@lakeread04... One atmosphere of pressure (14.7 psi) is 33 feet of seawater. THe .445 is correct but your math is wrong. 1.5 atmospheres would be about 50 feet. Regardless, the normal pressure differential that our lungs produce is about 12 millibar or .17 psi. A person in very good health can inhale at a maximum pressure differential of about 100 milibars or 1.45 psi. That is about 39 inches of seawater. Just to verify the figures I went out to the boat shed, cranked up the vacuum system and tried to breathe from the vacuum tube. I couldn't get any air after 1.3 psi but I have probably inhaled more than my share of Cabosil. Rick wrote: Jim Richardson wrote: 2) The pressure at say, 7 feet depth, is about 1.5 atmospheres, The pressure at say, 7 feet depth, (in seawater) is about 3 psig. It would take another 9 feet to reach 1.5 ats. Seawater pressure increases at around .445 psig per foot. Rick -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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I'm sorry but that's not correct. At least according to when I was taught
dive physics. One atmosphere of pressure is every 33 feet of sea water. At sea level, above the surface of the water you are at one atmosphere of pressure. Zero atmospheres of pressure would be a vacum. As you descend in salt water (it's slightly different in fresh water but not by much) to a depth of 33 feet you're at two atmospheres of pressure, 66 feet equals 3 atmospheres, 99 feet 4 atmospheres etc.... 1.5 atmospheres of pressure is 16.5 feet of sea water. Jerry "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:F5Cpb.875$62.52@lakeread04... One atmosphere of pressure (14.7 psi) is 33 feet of seawater. THe .445 is correct but your math is wrong. 1.5 atmospheres would be about 50 feet. Regardless, the normal pressure differential that our lungs produce is about 12 millibar or .17 psi. A person in very good health can inhale at a maximum pressure differential of about 100 milibars or 1.45 psi. That is about 39 inches of seawater. Just to verify the figures I went out to the boat shed, cranked up the vacuum system and tried to breathe from the vacuum tube. I couldn't get any air after 1.3 psi but I have probably inhaled more than my share of Cabosil. Rick wrote: Jim Richardson wrote: 2) The pressure at say, 7 feet depth, is about 1.5 atmospheres, The pressure at say, 7 feet depth, (in seawater) is about 3 psig. It would take another 9 feet to reach 1.5 ats. Seawater pressure increases at around .445 psig per foot. Rick -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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You guys don't seem to concieve the problem. We are NOT talking
absolute pressure here. Nitrogen absorption is not an issue. The DIFFERENTIAL pressure is what we need to look at. The other end of the hose is at one atmosphere not a vacuum and the lungs are at some higher pressure. The lungs have to overcome the difference in pressure and they will not be able to do so below about 40" of depth. Debbie Griggs wrote: I'm sorry but that's not correct. At least according to when I was taught dive physics. One atmosphere of pressure is every 33 feet of sea water. At sea level, above the surface of the water you are at one atmosphere of pressure. Zero atmospheres of pressure would be a vacum. As you descend in salt water (it's slightly different in fresh water but not by much) to a depth of 33 feet you're at two atmospheres of pressure, 66 feet equals 3 atmospheres, 99 feet 4 atmospheres etc.... 1.5 atmospheres of pressure is 16.5 feet of sea water. Jerry "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:F5Cpb.875$62.52@lakeread04... One atmosphere of pressure (14.7 psi) is 33 feet of seawater. THe .445 is correct but your math is wrong. 1.5 atmospheres would be about 50 feet. Regardless, the normal pressure differential that our lungs produce is about 12 millibar or .17 psi. A person in very good health can inhale at a maximum pressure differential of about 100 milibars or 1.45 psi. That is about 39 inches of seawater. Just to verify the figures I went out to the boat shed, cranked up the vacuum system and tried to breathe from the vacuum tube. I couldn't get any air after 1.3 psi but I have probably inhaled more than my share of Cabosil. Rick wrote: Jim Richardson wrote: 2) The pressure at say, 7 feet depth, is about 1.5 atmospheres, The pressure at say, 7 feet depth, (in seawater) is about 3 psig. It would take another 9 feet to reach 1.5 ats. Seawater pressure increases at around .445 psig per foot. Rick -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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You guys don't seem to concieve the problem. We are NOT talking
absolute pressure here. Nitrogen absorption is not an issue. The DIFFERENTIAL pressure is what we need to look at. The other end of the hose is at one atmosphere not a vacuum and the lungs are at some higher pressure. The lungs have to overcome the difference in pressure and they will not be able to do so below about 40" of depth. Debbie Griggs wrote: I'm sorry but that's not correct. At least according to when I was taught dive physics. One atmosphere of pressure is every 33 feet of sea water. At sea level, above the surface of the water you are at one atmosphere of pressure. Zero atmospheres of pressure would be a vacum. As you descend in salt water (it's slightly different in fresh water but not by much) to a depth of 33 feet you're at two atmospheres of pressure, 66 feet equals 3 atmospheres, 99 feet 4 atmospheres etc.... 1.5 atmospheres of pressure is 16.5 feet of sea water. Jerry "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:F5Cpb.875$62.52@lakeread04... One atmosphere of pressure (14.7 psi) is 33 feet of seawater. THe .445 is correct but your math is wrong. 1.5 atmospheres would be about 50 feet. Regardless, the normal pressure differential that our lungs produce is about 12 millibar or .17 psi. A person in very good health can inhale at a maximum pressure differential of about 100 milibars or 1.45 psi. That is about 39 inches of seawater. Just to verify the figures I went out to the boat shed, cranked up the vacuum system and tried to breathe from the vacuum tube. I couldn't get any air after 1.3 psi but I have probably inhaled more than my share of Cabosil. Rick wrote: Jim Richardson wrote: 2) The pressure at say, 7 feet depth, is about 1.5 atmospheres, The pressure at say, 7 feet depth, (in seawater) is about 3 psig. It would take another 9 feet to reach 1.5 ats. Seawater pressure increases at around .445 psig per foot. Rick -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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My point had nothing to do with differential pressure. I don't care if
someone can breathe with the difference in pressure at 40" depth. I honestly don't. I was simply pointing out that this statement: One atmosphere of pressure (14.7 psi) is 33 feet of seawater was incorrect. That's all. Nothing more. Really. "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:j4Dpb.880$62.544@lakeread04... You guys don't seem to concieve the problem. We are NOT talking absolute pressure here. Nitrogen absorption is not an issue. The DIFFERENTIAL pressure is what we need to look at. The other end of the hose is at one atmosphere not a vacuum and the lungs are at some higher pressure. The lungs have to overcome the difference in pressure and they will not be able to do so below about 40" of depth. Debbie Griggs wrote: I'm sorry but that's not correct. At least according to when I was taught dive physics. One atmosphere of pressure is every 33 feet of sea water. At sea level, above the surface of the water you are at one atmosphere of pressure. Zero atmospheres of pressure would be a vacum. As you descend in salt water (it's slightly different in fresh water but not by much) to a depth of 33 feet you're at two atmospheres of pressure, 66 feet equals 3 atmospheres, 99 feet 4 atmospheres etc.... 1.5 atmospheres of pressure is 16.5 feet of sea water. Jerry "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:F5Cpb.875$62.52@lakeread04... One atmosphere of pressure (14.7 psi) is 33 feet of seawater. THe .445 is correct but your math is wrong. 1.5 atmospheres would be about 50 feet. Regardless, the normal pressure differential that our lungs produce is about 12 millibar or .17 psi. A person in very good health can inhale at a maximum pressure differential of about 100 milibars or 1.45 psi. That is about 39 inches of seawater. Just to verify the figures I went out to the boat shed, cranked up the vacuum system and tried to breathe from the vacuum tube. I couldn't get any air after 1.3 psi but I have probably inhaled more than my share of Cabosil. Rick wrote: Jim Richardson wrote: 2) The pressure at say, 7 feet depth, is about 1.5 atmospheres, The pressure at say, 7 feet depth, (in seawater) is about 3 psig. It would take another 9 feet to reach 1.5 ats. Seawater pressure increases at around .445 psig per foot. Rick -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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My point had nothing to do with differential pressure. I don't care if
someone can breathe with the difference in pressure at 40" depth. I honestly don't. I was simply pointing out that this statement: One atmosphere of pressure (14.7 psi) is 33 feet of seawater was incorrect. That's all. Nothing more. Really. "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:j4Dpb.880$62.544@lakeread04... You guys don't seem to concieve the problem. We are NOT talking absolute pressure here. Nitrogen absorption is not an issue. The DIFFERENTIAL pressure is what we need to look at. The other end of the hose is at one atmosphere not a vacuum and the lungs are at some higher pressure. The lungs have to overcome the difference in pressure and they will not be able to do so below about 40" of depth. Debbie Griggs wrote: I'm sorry but that's not correct. At least according to when I was taught dive physics. One atmosphere of pressure is every 33 feet of sea water. At sea level, above the surface of the water you are at one atmosphere of pressure. Zero atmospheres of pressure would be a vacum. As you descend in salt water (it's slightly different in fresh water but not by much) to a depth of 33 feet you're at two atmospheres of pressure, 66 feet equals 3 atmospheres, 99 feet 4 atmospheres etc.... 1.5 atmospheres of pressure is 16.5 feet of sea water. Jerry "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:F5Cpb.875$62.52@lakeread04... One atmosphere of pressure (14.7 psi) is 33 feet of seawater. THe .445 is correct but your math is wrong. 1.5 atmospheres would be about 50 feet. Regardless, the normal pressure differential that our lungs produce is about 12 millibar or .17 psi. A person in very good health can inhale at a maximum pressure differential of about 100 milibars or 1.45 psi. That is about 39 inches of seawater. Just to verify the figures I went out to the boat shed, cranked up the vacuum system and tried to breathe from the vacuum tube. I couldn't get any air after 1.3 psi but I have probably inhaled more than my share of Cabosil. Rick wrote: Jim Richardson wrote: 2) The pressure at say, 7 feet depth, is about 1.5 atmospheres, The pressure at say, 7 feet depth, (in seawater) is about 3 psig. It would take another 9 feet to reach 1.5 ats. Seawater pressure increases at around .445 psig per foot. Rick -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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Then we are both correct. You were talking about PSIA (absolute) and I
was talking PSIG (Gage or relative to atmospheric). In the context of this thread however, I made the more correct application of the terminology. Paul wrote: My point had nothing to do with differential pressure. I don't care if someone can breathe with the difference in pressure at 40" depth. I honestly don't. I was simply pointing out that this statement: One atmosphere of pressure (14.7 psi) is 33 feet of seawater was incorrect. That's all. Nothing more. Really. "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:j4Dpb.880$62.544@lakeread04... You guys don't seem to concieve the problem. We are NOT talking absolute pressure here. Nitrogen absorption is not an issue. The DIFFERENTIAL pressure is what we need to look at. The other end of the hose is at one atmosphere not a vacuum and the lungs are at some higher pressure. The lungs have to overcome the difference in pressure and they will not be able to do so below about 40" of depth. Debbie Griggs wrote: I'm sorry but that's not correct. At least according to when I was taught dive physics. One atmosphere of pressure is every 33 feet of sea water. At sea level, above the surface of the water you are at one atmosphere of pressure. Zero atmospheres of pressure would be a vacum. As you descend in salt water (it's slightly different in fresh water but not by much) to a depth of 33 feet you're at two atmospheres of pressure, 66 feet equals 3 atmospheres, 99 feet 4 atmospheres etc.... 1.5 atmospheres of pressure is 16.5 feet of sea water. Jerry "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:F5Cpb.875$62.52@lakeread04... One atmosphere of pressure (14.7 psi) is 33 feet of seawater. THe .445 is correct but your math is wrong. 1.5 atmospheres would be about 50 feet. Regardless, the normal pressure differential that our lungs produce is about 12 millibar or .17 psi. A person in very good health can inhale at a maximum pressure differential of about 100 milibars or 1.45 psi. That is about 39 inches of seawater. Just to verify the figures I went out to the boat shed, cranked up the vacuum system and tried to breathe from the vacuum tube. I couldn't get any air after 1.3 psi but I have probably inhaled more than my share of Cabosil. Rick wrote: Jim Richardson wrote: 2) The pressure at say, 7 feet depth, is about 1.5 atmospheres, The pressure at say, 7 feet depth, (in seawater) is about 3 psig. It would take another 9 feet to reach 1.5 ats. Seawater pressure increases at around .445 psig per foot. Rick -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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Then we are both correct. You were talking about PSIA (absolute) and I
was talking PSIG (Gage or relative to atmospheric). In the context of this thread however, I made the more correct application of the terminology. Paul wrote: My point had nothing to do with differential pressure. I don't care if someone can breathe with the difference in pressure at 40" depth. I honestly don't. I was simply pointing out that this statement: One atmosphere of pressure (14.7 psi) is 33 feet of seawater was incorrect. That's all. Nothing more. Really. "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:j4Dpb.880$62.544@lakeread04... You guys don't seem to concieve the problem. We are NOT talking absolute pressure here. Nitrogen absorption is not an issue. The DIFFERENTIAL pressure is what we need to look at. The other end of the hose is at one atmosphere not a vacuum and the lungs are at some higher pressure. The lungs have to overcome the difference in pressure and they will not be able to do so below about 40" of depth. Debbie Griggs wrote: I'm sorry but that's not correct. At least according to when I was taught dive physics. One atmosphere of pressure is every 33 feet of sea water. At sea level, above the surface of the water you are at one atmosphere of pressure. Zero atmospheres of pressure would be a vacum. As you descend in salt water (it's slightly different in fresh water but not by much) to a depth of 33 feet you're at two atmospheres of pressure, 66 feet equals 3 atmospheres, 99 feet 4 atmospheres etc.... 1.5 atmospheres of pressure is 16.5 feet of sea water. Jerry "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:F5Cpb.875$62.52@lakeread04... One atmosphere of pressure (14.7 psi) is 33 feet of seawater. THe .445 is correct but your math is wrong. 1.5 atmospheres would be about 50 feet. Regardless, the normal pressure differential that our lungs produce is about 12 millibar or .17 psi. A person in very good health can inhale at a maximum pressure differential of about 100 milibars or 1.45 psi. That is about 39 inches of seawater. Just to verify the figures I went out to the boat shed, cranked up the vacuum system and tried to breathe from the vacuum tube. I couldn't get any air after 1.3 psi but I have probably inhaled more than my share of Cabosil. Rick wrote: Jim Richardson wrote: 2) The pressure at say, 7 feet depth, is about 1.5 atmospheres, The pressure at say, 7 feet depth, (in seawater) is about 3 psig. It would take another 9 feet to reach 1.5 ats. Seawater pressure increases at around .445 psig per foot. Rick -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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Rick wrote in message link.net...
Jim Richardson wrote: 2) The pressure at say, 7 feet depth, is about 1.5 atmospheres, The pressure at say, 7 feet depth, (in seawater) is about 3 psig. It would take another 9 feet to reach 1.5 ats. Seawater pressure increases at around .445 psig per foot. Rick I do use a mask and snorkel to work on my prop. I even use it to work on my keel and I just dive down and hold my breath. Its not a problem. Sometimes when I dont want to dive down, I use a long handled edging tool to reach the keel, works for the prop too. |
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