four pile mooring for single-handed sailing
 

G'day

I am looking for tested rope system allowing single-handed operations
from 4 pile mooring (including bad weather conditions). We have 26
feet yacht (keeler).

PILE 1 PILE 2

O O


/\
/ \
/ \
[ ]
[ ]
[ ] boat
[ ]
[ ]
\____/


O O

PILE 3 PILE 4

regards,

Adam.

four pile mooring for single-handed sailing
 

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wrote:

G'day

I am looking for tested rope system allowing single-handed operations
from 4 pile mooring (including bad weather conditions). We have 26
feet yacht (keeler).

PILE 1 PILE 2

O O


/\
/ \
/ \
[ ]
[ ]
[ ] boat
[ ]
[ ]
\____/


O O

PILE 3 PILE 4

regards,

Adam.

There's nothing that's going to be perfect, and it will be less so
when conditions are worse. You didn't mention prevailing wind
direction. Assuming from the bow to stern... but I don't
think either tying up or releasing is going to be easy/simple or
possibly not even doable single-handing in boisterous conditions.

You might be able to rig something to pay out line, but there's no way
you're going to be able hold the boat well with just the lines.

Why would you want to do such a thing?


--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com

four pile mooring for single-handed sailing
 

On 25 Mar 2007 17:14:47 -0700, wrote:

G'day

I am looking for tested rope system allowing single-handed operations
from 4 pile mooring (including bad weather conditions). We have 26
feet yacht (keeler).

PILE 1 PILE 2

O O


/\
/ \
/ \
[ ]
[ ]
[ ] boat
[ ]
[ ]
\____/


O O

PILE 3 PILE 4


Alright, let's give this a try. You don't say whether or not this is
going to be a more or less permanent arrangement, but I assume so. If
this is to be your regular tieup, I strongly recommend installing
permanent lines between pilings 1 and 3, and between 2 and 4. These
lines should be about 2 feet above normal high water, fairly tight,
and strong enough that you can lay the boat against them in a
crosswind. If these are your pilings, I would also recommend
installing rubber pile guard strips on the inside of each one to
protect the boat while you are tying up.

Depending on wind direction, go more or less upwind and enter between
1 and 2, or 3 and 4.

Start by having two lines prepared in advance with a large loop at the
end of each, one at the bow and one at the stern. Bring the boat to a
stop between the pilings so you can attach your stern loop to the
closest available piling. Now motor forward against your stern line
bringing the bow close enough to loop a piling at the other end. Lay
the boat against the side lines if necessary. Use a boathook to
assist with looping the piles. Once you have the bow and stern
secured, use a boat hook and the pre-installed side lines to pull the
boat to the other side, loop the additional pilings, install fore and
aft spring lines, etc.

four pile mooring for single-handed sailing
 

Wayne,

Many thanks for your answer. Saddly we cannot go between piles 1 - 2
and 2 - 3 because of other boats moored there.
We do have permanent support lines between piles 1 and 3 adn 2 and 4
as you sugessted.

PILE 1 PILE 2

O O
| \ A B / |
| \ /\ / | support line
| \ / \ / |
| \ / \/ |
| [ ] |
| [ ] |
| [ ] boat | === WIND
| [ ] |
| / [ ] \ |
| / \____/ \ |
| / C D \ _ |
O O

PILE 3 PILE 4

Saddly this solution do not help if wind is blowing from port side. In
case of single-handed sailing first helmsman have to release ropes A
and B, then walk back to release aft ropes C and D. In the meantime
wind will push bow to left and boat will end-up blocked between
support lines - it have been already tested ;-)

four pile mooring for single-handed sailing
 

On 25 Mar 2007 19:59:06 -0700, wrote:

Many thanks for your answer. Saddly we cannot go between piles 1 - 2
and 2 - 3 because of other boats moored there.

Did you mean to say between 1 - 2 and 2 - 4, meaning that you are
blocked forward and to starboard? What is your preferred entry and
exit?

We do have permanent support lines between piles 1 and 3 adn 2 and 4
as you sugessted.

PILE 1 PILE 2

O O
| \ A B / |
| \ /\ / | support line
| \ / \ / |
| \ / \/ |
| [ ] |
| [ ] |
| [ ] boat | === WIND
| [ ] |
| / [ ] \ |
| / \____/ \ |
| / C D \ _ |
O O

PILE 3 PILE 4

Saddly this solution do not help if wind is blowing from port side. In
case of single-handed sailing first helmsman have to release ropes A
and B, then walk back to release aft ropes C and D. In the meantime
wind will push bow to left and boat will end-up blocked between
support lines - it have been already tested ;-)

If the wind is from port, I would suggest first releasing lines B and
D, thus allowing the boat to stay centered while you plan the next
move.

If your plan is to back out between 3 - 4, I would then ease out lines
A and C enough that the starboard rear quarter can rest against piling
4, and the starboard bow can rest against support line 2 -4.

At that point you should be able to cast off lines A and C completely,
and then back out.

Am I still missing something?

four pile mooring for single-handed sailing
 

On 25 Mar 2007 19:59:06 -0700, wrote:

We do have permanent support lines between piles 1 and 3 adn 2 and 4
as you sugessted.

PILE 1 PILE 2

O O
| \ A B / |
| \ /\ / | support line
| \ / \ / |
| \ / \/ |
| [ ] |
| [ ] |
| [ ] boat | === WIND
| [ ] |
| / [ ] \ |
| / \____/ \ |
| / C D \ _ |
O O

PILE 3 PILE 4

Saddly this solution do not help if wind is blowing from port side.

Your diagram shows the wind blowing from the starboard side.

four pile mooring for single-handed sailing
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On 25 Mar 2007 17:14:47 -0700, wrote:


G'day

I am looking for tested rope system allowing single-handed operations

from 4 pile mooring (including bad weather conditions). We have 26

feet yacht (keeler).

PILE 1 PILE 2

O O


/\
/ \
/ \
[ ]
[ ]
[ ] boat
[ ]
[ ]
\____/


O O

PILE 3 PILE 4



Alright, let's give this a try. You don't say whether or not this is
going to be a more or less permanent arrangement, but I assume so. If
this is to be your regular tieup, I strongly recommend installing
permanent lines between pilings 1 and 3, and between 2 and 4. These
lines should be about 2 feet above normal high water, fairly tight,
and strong enough that you can lay the boat against them in a
crosswind. If these are your pilings, I would also recommend
installing rubber pile guard strips on the inside of each one to
protect the boat while you are tying up.

Depending on wind direction, go more or less upwind and enter between
1 and 2, or 3 and 4.

Start by having two lines prepared in advance with a large loop at the
end of each, one at the bow and one at the stern. Bring the boat to a
stop between the pilings so you can attach your stern loop to the
closest available piling. Now motor forward against your stern line
bringing the bow close enough to loop a piling at the other end. Lay
the boat against the side lines if necessary. Use a boathook to
assist with looping the piles. Once you have the bow and stern
secured, use a boat hook and the pre-installed side lines to pull the
boat to the other side, loop the additional pilings, install fore and
aft spring lines, etc.
Just another thought if you tie lines from pile 1 to pile 4 and from
pile 2 to pile 3 at the end away from your entry exit join the two lines
where you want the bow to be and at that point put a loop that can sit
over your bow cleat.
simply drive your boat into the X shape it will automaticly arrive at
the loop then all you need to do is aply left or right rudder to bring
the stern over to the upper wind side attatch line then drift down to
other pile atatch line and center stern put loop on bow and walk
away...grin or if its a head wind do bow first while you use the motor
to hold it into the x then drift back to the stern piles you will need
to play with the hights of the ropes to get the right combo for you but
does work for me
may or may not work for you
Shaun

four pile mooring for single-handed sailing
 

Wayn, many thanks for correction.
Updated diagram:

thsi side is blocked by other boats
*********************************************
*
PILE 1 PILE 2 *
*
O O *
| \ A B / | *
| \ /\ / | support line *
| \ / \ / | *
| \ / \/ |
| [ ] |
| [ ] |
| [ ] boat | === WIND form starboard
| [ ] |
| / [ ] \ | This side is bloced by other boats too.
| / \____/ \ |
| / C D \ _ |
O O

PILE 3 PILE 4

^
preffered entry / exit is between pile 3 and pile 4.

four pile mooring for single-handed sailing
 

Adam,

My suggestion would be to rig all lines to the piles so that you leave them
on the piles when you leave. Put a nail in the piles to hang the lines on.
Make the line to pile 2 long enough so you can hang it on pile 4.

Then rig a long extra line to pile 4 and lead it to a starboard middeck
snatch block and back to the cockpit starboard jib sheet winch.

Slack lines so that you can cast off and hang up lines to pile 1 and 3. You
are now hanging on 2 and 4 and the aft spring. Slack the line to pile 2 as
you take up on the spring. You will hang on the spring and the bow will fall
off the wind. Hang up the stern line to pile 4 and the port bow line on pile
4. Now engage the engine slow astern to hold her in position as you hang up
the spring and slow astern out.

Cheers

Ansley Sawyer
SV Pacem

four pile mooring for single-handed sailing
 

Wayne, Ansley,

Many thanks for your sugesstions, I will test then ASAP.

Cheers,

Adam

four pile mooring for single-handed sailing
 

On 2007-03-26 01:27:02 -0400, said:

thsi side is blocked by other boats
*********************************************
*
PILE 1 PILE 2 *
*
O O *
| \ A B / | *
| \ /\ / | support line *
| \ / \ / | *
| \ / \/ |
| [ ] |
| [ ] |
| [ ] boat | === WIND form starboard
| [ ] |
| / [ ] \ | This side is bloced by other boats too.
| / \____/ \ |
| / C D \ _ |
O O

PILE 3 PILE 4

^
preffered entry / exit is between pile 3 and pile 4.

Don't forget your engine! It and a proper spring line will do the job
comfortably.

In the shown condition, drop lines A and C as they're doing nothing.
Slip into forward so D's taking the strain, B's slack. Drop B, quickly
go neutral, drop D, and reverse hard to get steerage quickly. Due to
prop walk, I have to hit it hard, then go to neutral to get steerage in
a reasonable distance.

On entry, our lines are all to size: Drop each on the dedicated cleat
and forget, though "D" has two loops so we can get to the finger pier
to port. I'll pick up "C" and drop it on the winch. Then we steer the
bow to pick up the upwind of A or B, the other, and eventuallly D.

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's new pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI pages: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

four pile mooring for single-handed sailing
 

How about this (asuming wind from the right):

Put the engine in forward with not too much throttle, enough that B is
noticeably slack.

Walk forward and remove A and B.

The motor and C an D should hold the boat steady now.

Walk back.

Ease throttle, remove C.

Use throttle, rudder, and D to get boat in good position for backing
out, if needed.

Remove D while backing out.

If this works for you, it will be really easy to do if the wind is not
toooo strong, and work in reverse order for docking, too: Attatch D,
steady w/ motor, Then B, motor off, then the rest.

You can try first how your boat moves arond with trottle, tiller, and
an attatchment point with with all four lines or at least B and D on,
but not too tight. You will see which tighten, which slack, and where
the boat wants to go, without the risk of drifting into something.


On Mar 25, 5:14 pm, wrote:
G'day

I am looking for tested rope system allowing single-handed operations
from 4 pile mooring (including bad weather conditions). We have 26
feet yacht (keeler).

PILE 1 PILE 2

O O

/\
/ \
/ \
[ ]
[ ]
[ ] boat
[ ]
[ ]
\____/

O O

PILE 3 PILE 4

regards,

Adam.

four pile mooring for single-handed sailing
 

I do not have the complete thread.
Before making comments it would be nice to know the type of keel, the draft,
the prevailing wind the tides and the location. What is the reason to use a
four piles mooring in lieu of a single line mooring attached to a concrete
block or it equivalent? Is the four piles mooring attached to a float?

wrote in message
oups.com...

How about this (asuming wind from the right):

Put the engine in forward with not too much throttle, enough that B is
noticeably slack.

Walk forward and remove A and B.

The motor and C an D should hold the boat steady now.

Walk back.

Ease throttle, remove C.

Use throttle, rudder, and D to get boat in good position for backing
out, if needed.

Remove D while backing out.

If this works for you, it will be really easy to do if the wind is not
toooo strong, and work in reverse order for docking, too: Attatch D,
steady w/ motor, Then B, motor off, then the rest.

You can try first how your boat moves arond with trottle, tiller, and
an attatchment point with with all four lines or at least B and D on,
but not too tight. You will see which tighten, which slack, and where
the boat wants to go, without the risk of drifting into something.


On Mar 25, 5:14 pm, wrote:
G'day

I am looking for tested rope system allowing single-handed operations
from 4 pile mooring (including bad weather conditions). We have 26
feet yacht (keeler).

PILE 1 PILE 2

O O

/\
/ \
/ \
[ ]
[ ]
[ ] boat
[ ]
[ ]
\____/

O O

PILE 3 PILE 4

regards,

Adam.