St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

Can anyone tell me the controling air and water draft up to Fredericton?

--
Roger Long

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

Roger,

The bridges and wires are all 21-23 meters and the shallowest part of the
trip is the very end from about Grimross Island to Fredericton and you still
have 3-4 meters up there.

Ansley Sawyer
SV Pcem
Rockland, Me

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

Thanks.

This looks like a great trip, modest distance but international voyage,
beautiful river, a goal at the end (Harvest Blues and Jazz Festival), a
place not many sailors go, the best parts of the coast of Maine along the
way, the Bay of Fundy (Anyone know the Gordon Bok song?), what more could
you ask?

--
Roger Long

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:57:19 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote:

This looks like a great trip, modest distance but international voyage

International voyages have their own special challenges these days as
you probably know. You will definitely want to study the procedures
and requirements for clearing back into the states so that you can
avoid unnecessary hassels like leaving your boat behind while you rent
a car and report to the nearest immigration point.

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

Dear Roger ... there is one big huge problem with your cruise ..............
FOG!

It may be a beautiful coastline, but you won't see any of it. There is a
reason "not many sailors go".

It you are planning on late summer or early fall .. maybe.

================================================== =================================
"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Thanks.

This looks like a great trip, modest distance but international voyage,
beautiful river, a goal at the end (Harvest Blues and Jazz Festival), a
place not many sailors go, the best parts of the coast of Maine along the
way, the Bay of Fundy (Anyone know the Gordon Bok song?), what more could
you ask?

--
Roger Long

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

The festival starts Sept 11. That's late sumemr early fall. I've been
sailing in Maine since 1969 so I know the patterns.

--
Roger Long

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

That is the perfect time !!! You should have the best cruise ever!

About all you will deal with is the shorter daylight.

Might be a little cold at night ................ ooops,, I forgot ..
never mind.


When will you push off from the coast of Maine? Are you planning on a
direct cruise? Tell us of your itinerary.

This sounds like a great trip!

Got me so interested since I've visited NB so many times, but never by boat.
I found a web page:
http://new-brunswick.net/new-brunswi.../sjriver1.html

Has all kinds of info..





Roger Long" wrote in message
...
The festival starts Sept 11. That's late sumemr early fall. I've been
sailing in Maine since 1969 so I know the patterns.

--
Roger Long

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

There is very little chance of fog in the bay at that time of year. I also
find the customs office in Eastport Maine to be very friendly and
accomodating. One of the biggest challenges for a US boat is the reversing
falls in Saint John NB. You have to remember that there is a 1hr time
difference between Maine & New Brunswick and you have only 20min on each
tide to make the passage. There are usually other boats around waiting and
Fundy Traffic on VHF 12 will give you the exact local time. You should
check with Fundy Traffic when entering the Grand Manan channel on channel 14
and then again on channel 12 when entering Saint John harbour. Please
notify the Fredericton Yacht Club www.fyc.ca if you plan to make the trip
and we will make sure you are well looked after

Sterling


"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
The festival starts Sept 11. That's late sumemr early fall. I've been
sailing in Maine since 1969 so I know the patterns.

--
Roger Long

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

"Silver K" wrote

Please notify the Fredericton Yacht Club www.fyc.ca if you plan to make
the trip and we will make sure you are well looked after

Do I need to be a member of a yacht club accept this offer? I was never the
yacht club type and boating is certainly expensive enough without adding
club dues.

--
Roger Long

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

No, we are just nice people and like to promote the river. Bring some
friends and I will take you around to the festival and spring for a a few
"beverage" tickets.

Sterling

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
"Silver K" wrote

Please notify the Fredericton Yacht Club www.fyc.ca if you plan to make
the trip and we will make sure you are well looked after

Do I need to be a member of a yacht club accept this offer? I was never
the yacht club type and boating is certainly expensive enough without
adding club dues.

--
Roger Long

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

Roger ,, you seem to be hitting all my question marks today..

How does one Yacht Club know whether a visiting yacht is a member of another
yacht club?

Is the Yacht Flag ,, pennant the only identifier?

I was a member of a yacht club years ago that had no yacht clubhouse, no
nothing. It was a joke.

As of today I am not a member of any club. I have considered joining the
local club nearby but then they told me of the
club dues and I baulked. They offer nothing. No dock, no mooring, no
nothing. Oh, .. the member who asked me to
join me told me "it is a great bunch of folks".

My answer ... So?

With my new/old/hardly works sewing machine ... I may do a little yacht club
creation.

What should I call my Virtual Yacht Club?

The name must impressive enough to fool the rich blue noses yet modest
enough not to scare off the working class hero's I
am more comfortable with.

Some of the names I've come up with ... ::

"The No Mooring Yacht Club"
"The Bisquits and Gravy Yacht Club".
"The You Know Your a Redneck If: Yacht Club"

Under the YKYR pennant will be a second flag. This one will have a list of
situations that identify members.

1.. More than one living relative is named after a southern civil war
general.
2.. Your front porch collapses and more than six dogs are killed.
3.. You ever used lard in bed.
4.. Your home has more miles on it than your car.
5.. You think that potted meat on a saltine is an hors d'oeurve.
6.. There is a stuffed possum anywhere in your house.
7.. You consider a six-pack and a bug-zapper high-quality entertainment.
8.. Fewer than half of your cars run.
9.. Your mother doesn't remove the Marlboro from her lips before telling
the State Trooper to kiss her ass.
10.. The primary color of your car is "bondo."
11.. You honestly think that women are turned on by animal noises and
seductive tongue gestures.
12.. You stand under the mistletoe at christmas and wait for Granny and
cousin Sue-Ellen to walk by.
13.. Your family tree doesn't fork.
14.. Your hairdo has ever been ruined by a ceiling fan.
15.. Your mother has been involved in a fistfight at a high school sports
event.
16.. You've ever barbecued Spam on the grill.
17.. The best way to keep things cold is to leave'em in the shade.
18.. The neighbors started a petition over your Christmas lights.
19.. Your brother-in-law is your uncle.
20.. You have refused to watch the Academy Awards since "Smokey and the
Bandit" was snubbed for best picture.
21.. Your only condiment on the dining room table is the economy size
bottle of ketchup.
22.. The rear tires on your car are at least twice as wide as the front
ones.
23.. You consider "Outdoor Life" deep reading.
24.. You prominently display a gift you bought at Graceland.
25.. You use the term 'over yonder' more than once a month.
26.. The diploma hanging in your den contains the words "Trucking
Institute."
27.. Your mother keeps a spit cup on the ironing board.
28.. You've ever worn a tube top to a wedding.
29.. Your favorite Christmas present was a painting on black velvet.
30.. You think that Dom Perignon is a mafia leader.
31.. The most commonly heard phrase at your family reunion is "What the
hell are you looking at, ****head?"
32.. You think that beef jerky and Moon Pies are two of the major food
groups.
33.. You think that Campho-Phenique is a miracle drug.
34.. The first words out of your mouth every time you see friends are
"Howdy!" "HEY!" or "How Y'all Doin?" (If they respond with the same...
they're a redneck too!)
35.. You have more than two brothers named Bubba or Junior.
36.. Your father encourages you to quit school because Larry has an
opening on the lube rack.
37.. You think a Volvo is part of a woman's anatomy.
38.. You think that the styrofoam cooler is the greatest invention of all
time.
39.. You've been too drunk to fish.
40.. You had to remove a toothpick for wedding pictures.
41.. You've ever used a weedeater indoors.
42.. You have a rag for a gas cap (on a car that does run.)
43.. You look upon a family reunion as a chance to meet 'Ms. Right.'
44.. You have to go outside to get something out of the fridge.
45.. Your richest relative invites you over to his new home to help him
remove the wheels and skirt.
46.. You've ever financed a tattoo.
47.. Your idea of a 7 course meal is a bucket of KFC and a sixpack.
48.. You go to a tupperware party for a haircut.
49.. You have spray painted your girlfriend's name on an overpass.
50.. Your lifetime goal is to own a fireworks stand.
51.. Someone asks to see your ID and you show them your belt buckle.
52.. Your Junior/Senior Prom had a daycare.
53.. The directions to your house include "turn off the paved road."
54.. Your dog and your wallet are both on chains.
55.. Your kids are going hungry tonight because you just had to have those
Yosemite Sam mudflaps.
56.. You owe the taxidermist more than your annual income.
57.. You have lost at least one tooth opening a beer bottle.
58.. Jack Daniels makes your list of "most admired people".
59.. You won't stop at a rest area if you have an empty beer can in the
car.
60.. Your dog can't watch you eat without gagging.
61.. You have a Hefty bag on the passenger side window of your car.
62.. You have a very special baseball cap just for formal occassions.
63.. You have to scratch your sister's name out of the message "for a good
time call..." because you feel guilty about putting it there.
64.. Redman sends you a Christmas card.
65.. You bought a VCR so you could tape wrestling while you are at work.
66.. Your dad walks you to school because you are both in the same grade.
67.. Your wife has a beer belly and you find it attractive.
68.. Your house doesn't have curtains, but your truck does.
69.. You have started a petition to change the National Anthem to "Georgia
on My Mind."
70.. You call your boss "Buddy" on a regular basis.
71.. You consider your license plate personalized because your dad made it
in prison.
72.. You have been fired from a construction job because of your
appearance.
73.. You need one more hole punched in your card to get a freebie at the
House of Tattoos.
74.. You need an estimate from your barber before you get a haircut.
75.. After making love you ask your date to roll down the window.
76.. The biggest fashion risk you take is which plaid you'll wear to the
4-H Fair.
77.. You have flowers planted in a bathroom appliance in your front yard.
78.. Someone in your family says "Cum'n heer an' lookit this afore I flush
it."
79.. Your wife weighs more then your refrigerator.
80.. You mow your lawn and find a car.
81.. If going to the bathroom in the middle of the night involves putting
on shoes (if you have them) a jacket and grabbing a flashlight.
82.. You go christmas shopping for your mom, sister, and girlfriend, and
you only need to buy one gift.
83.. You are still holding on to Confederate money because you think the
South will rise again.
84.. You consider pork and beans to be a gourmet food.
85.. You have to go down to the creek to take a bath.
86.. You participate in the "who can spit tobacco the farthest contest."
87.. You roll you hair with soup cans and wash it once a year.
88.. You consider a three piece suit to be a pair of overalls, a plaid
flannel shirt and thermal underwear.
89.. There is a sheet hanging in your closet and a gun rack hanging in
your truck.
90.. You think the Mountain Men in deliverance were just "Misunderstood."
91.. You've ever made change in the offering plate.
92.. If the fifth grade is referred to as "your senior year."
93.. You consider a good tan to be the back of of your neck and the left
arm below the shirt sleeve.
94.. You own at least 20 baseball hats.
95.. You know of at least six different ways to bend the bill of a
baseball hat.
96.. You can change the oil in your truck without ducking your head.
97.. When you run out of gas you put gin in the gas tank.
98.. Your biggest ambition in live is to "git thet big'ole coon. The one
what hangs 'round over yonder, back'ah bubba's barn..."
99.. Three quarters of the clothes you own have LOGOS on them.
100.. When you leave your house you are followed by federal agents of the
Bureau of Alcohol Tobbaco and Firearms, and the only thing you worry about
is if you can loose them or not.
101.. You have 5 cars that are immobile and house that is.
102.. You gene pool doesn't have a "deep end."
103.. "Honey? Are the lights out? Is the door locked? Is the parking brake
set?" is what you hear right before you and your wife/girl make love.
104.. Your 'huntin dawg' cost more than the truck you drive him around in.
105.. You'd rather catch bass than get some (if you can't guess...)
106.. You have a Hefty bag for a Car/Truck convertable top.
107.. Your belt buckle weighs more than three pounds.
108.. You think that safe sex is a padded headboard on the waterbed.
109.. You have an Elvis Jello mold.
110.. You own more cowboy boots than sneakers.
111.. You've been to a funeral and there were more pick-ups than cars.
112.. You have a picture of Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, or Elvis over your
fireplace.
113.. You just bought an 8-track player to put in your car.
114.. There are four or more cars up on blocks in the front yard.
115.. The theme song at your high school prom was 'Friends in Low Places.'
116.. It's easier to spray weed killer on your lawn than mow it.
117.. You think that John Deere Green, Ford Blue, and Primer Gray are the
three of the primary colors.
118.. You've ever climbed a water tower with a bucket of paint to defend
your sister's honor.
119.. You idea of talking during sex is "Ain't no cars coming, baby!"
120.. Your vehicle has a two-tone paint job--primer red and primer gray.
121.. The tobacco chewers in your family aren't just men.
122.. Yer mom calls ya over t'help 'cause she has a flat tire...on her
house!
123.. The ASPCA raids yer kitchen.
124.. Ya have to check in the bottom yer shoe for change so ya can get
grandma a new plug of tobacco.
125.. Foreplay consists of slipping off her saddle.
126.. Ya can't get married to yer sweetheart cause there is a law against
it.
127.. Ya celebrate groundhog day (cause ya believe in it!)
128.. You've been on TV more than 5 times describing the sound of a
tornado.
129.. You fish in your above-ground pool, especially if you catch
something!
130.. When a sign that says "Say No To Crack!" reminds you to pull up your
jeans.
131.. Helping your cousin, Billy-Bob, move into his new place consists of
the wheels off his doublewide.
132.. Your beer can collection is considered a tourist attraction in your
home town.
133.. You know you're a redneck if you wake up with both a black eye and a
hickey.
134.. Getting a package from your post office requires a full tank of gas
in the truck.
135.. "Buck Naked Line Dancing" isn't a videotape, it's "Ladies Night" at
the local bar.
136.. Your wife wants to stop at the gas station to see if they've got the
new Darrell Waltrip Budweiser wall clock.
137.. You dated your daddy's current wife in high school.
138.. You're moved to tears everytime you hear Dolly Parton singing "I
Will Always Love You."
139.. Dolly Parton reminds you of the 'Grand Tetons'. (of course this is a
very sophisticated sophisticated redneck joke... if you laughed... you must
be a redneck, only they will get this one.)
140.. You grow Vidalia onions rather than considering them a gourmet item.
141.. Your Momma would rather go the racetrack than the Kennedy Center.
142.. The most serious loss from the earthquake was your Conway Twitty
record collection (you insurance man is one too if he pays you for it.)
143.. You actually made a pyramid of cans in the pale moonlight with Alan
Jackson.
144.. You have spent more on your pickup truck than on your education.
145.. You've ever hit a deer with your car... on purpose!
146.. You can tell your age by the number of rings in the bathtub.
147.. Your mom gives you tips on how to sneak booze into sporting events.
148.. You've ever parked a Camaro in a tree.
149.. Exxon and Conoco have offered you royalties for your hair.
150.. Your dad is also your favorite uncle.
151.. The blue book value of your truck goes up and down depending on how
much gas it has in it.
152.. Your classes at school were cancelled because the path to the
restroom was flooded.
153.. On your job application under "SEX" you put "As often as possible."
154.. During your senior year you and your mother had homeroom together.
155.. You're a lite beer drinker because you start drinking as soon as it
gets light.
156.. On your first date you had to ask your Dad to borrow the keys to the
tractor.
157.. Your parakeet knows the phrase "Open up, Police!"
158.. You saved lots of money on your honeymoon by going deerhunting.
159.. In tough situations you ask yourself, "What would Curly do?"
160.. Taking your wife on a cruise means circling the Dairy Queen.
161.. You think the last words to the Star Spangled Banner are "Gentlemen,
start your engines." or "Play Ball..."
162.. Your child's first words are "Attention K-Mart shoppers!"
163.. Your wife's best pair of shoes are steel-toed Red Wings.
164.. You have a color coordinating rope that ties down your car hood.
165.. You bring your dog to work with you.


"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
"Silver K" wrote

Please notify the Fredericton Yacht Club www.fyc.ca if you plan to make
the trip and we will make sure you are well looked after

Do I need to be a member of a yacht club accept this offer? I was never
the yacht club type and boating is certainly expensive enough without
adding club dues.

--
Roger Long

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

Silver K ,,, the reversing falls? How does this all work? How far does a
boat travel in the 20 minutes that is the safe period?

I sure would not want to be half way up and have the river reverse.

This would be the culmination of my sailing career..

I would not know whether I am coming or going ...

======================================


"Silver K" wrote in message
...
There is very little chance of fog in the bay at that time of year. I
also find the customs office in Eastport Maine to be very friendly and
accomodating. One of the biggest challenges for a US boat is the
reversing falls in Saint John NB. You have to remember that there is a
1hr time difference between Maine & New Brunswick and you have only 20min
on each tide to make the passage. There are usually other boats around
waiting and Fundy Traffic on VHF 12 will give you the exact local time.
You should check with Fundy Traffic when entering the Grand Manan channel
on channel 14 and then again on channel 12 when entering Saint John
harbour. Please notify the Fredericton Yacht Club www.fyc.ca if you plan
to make the trip and we will make sure you are well looked after

Sterling


"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
The festival starts Sept 11. That's late sumemr early fall. I've been
sailing in Maine since 1969 so I know the patterns.

--
Roger Long

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

I will leave this website explain the whole procedure
http://www.new-brunswick.net/Saint_J...reversing.html You
do not have to travel very far in the twenty min available just over what
are normally rapids at low tide.

Sterling

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:l4fKh.7770$vV3.2850@trndny09...
Silver K ,,, the reversing falls? How does this all work? How far does a
boat travel in the 20 minutes that is the safe period?

I sure would not want to be half way up and have the river reverse.

This would be the culmination of my sailing career..

I would not know whether I am coming or going ...

======================================


"Silver K" wrote in message
...
There is very little chance of fog in the bay at that time of year. I
also find the customs office in Eastport Maine to be very friendly and
accomodating. One of the biggest challenges for a US boat is the
reversing falls in Saint John NB. You have to remember that there is a
1hr time difference between Maine & New Brunswick and you have only 20min
on each tide to make the passage. There are usually other boats around
waiting and Fundy Traffic on VHF 12 will give you the exact local time.
You should check with Fundy Traffic when entering the Grand Manan channel
on channel 14 and then again on channel 12 when entering Saint John
harbour. Please notify the Fredericton Yacht Club www.fyc.ca if you plan
to make the trip and we will make sure you are well looked after

Sterling


"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
The festival starts Sept 11. That's late sumemr early fall. I've been
sailing in Maine since 1969 so I know the patterns.

--
Roger Long

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

Roger,

We have done customs in Eastport as well as Bar Harbor. Eastport is easier,
just tie up to the town landing north of the large ship pier and walk up the
street to Main Street. Turn left and the customs house is on your right.
Nice guys.

In Bar Harbor we called on VHF to the customs guys at the Cat terminal and
asked where they could check us. We were headed for Bar Harbor anyway so
they said that we could tie up at one of the local piers and they would come
to us.

Going into Canada we called 1-800-CANPASS and did our check in by phone,
once at Great Manan and once in Yarmouth NS.

Ansley Sawyer
SV Pacem
Moored in Rockland

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

Please be advised it is the Saint John River in New Brunswick. There
are other near namesakes (St. John's River, etc.) spread between New
Found Land, and Florida.

Several major features of this river have not been mentioned: Grand
Lake and Washdemoak Lake being two, each of which is worthy of a week
of exploration and fishing, etc. The reversing falls are so unique
that I am surprised they don't constitute more of an attraction.

The harbour in St. John, outside the falls, with it's public dock and
walking access to the farmer's market are another, while the river
itself is delightfully tranquil and picturesque and has many public
docks between it's mouth and Fredericton. Gagetown is also a popular
arts colony, with all the comforts any sailor might require, including
a delightful pub, the Old Boot, next to the docks.

Many of the Marble Head to Halifax race crowd make an annual side trip
to Grand lake's Douglas Harbour every year, for good reason.

I have sailed hereabouts for over 10 years. My boat has a mooring in
Evandale, in my cottage's front yard. Watch out for cable ferries,
hail on 16, and pass behind.

Terry K

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

"cable ferries" ?? what is a cable ferry?

===========================
"Terry K" wrote in message
ps.com...
Please be advised it is the Saint John River in New Brunswick. There
are other near namesakes (St. John's River, etc.) spread between New
Found Land, and Florida.

Several major features of this river have not been mentioned: Grand
Lake and Washdemoak Lake being two, each of which is worthy of a week
of exploration and fishing, etc. The reversing falls are so unique
that I am surprised they don't constitute more of an attraction.

The harbour in St. John, outside the falls, with it's public dock and
walking access to the farmer's market are another, while the river
itself is delightfully tranquil and picturesque and has many public
docks between it's mouth and Fredericton. Gagetown is also a popular
arts colony, with all the comforts any sailor might require, including
a delightful pub, the Old Boot, next to the docks.

Many of the Marble Head to Halifax race crowd make an annual side trip
to Grand lake's Douglas Harbour every year, for good reason.

I have sailed hereabouts for over 10 years. My boat has a mooring in
Evandale, in my cottage's front yard. Watch out for cable ferries,
hail on 16, and pass behind.

Terry K

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:xxwKh.12283$vb.6745@trndny04...
"cable ferries" ?? what is a cable ferry?


We have two cable type ferries that I know about in Nova Scotia.
As charles said, a cable is laid across the usually narrow channel and keeps
the small open type ferries from being swept with the current.
Did't we see an old fashioned hand operated version in 'The Outlaw Josey
Wales'?
Here's the one at Englishtown in cape Breton.
http://www.pbase.com/murd/image/21381016
plus http://marinas.com/view/inlet/1769

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

The trip that Roger wants to do sure has its obstacles. First, the highest
tides in the world. Then, a reversing waterfall that has a twenty minute
window which a boat can go under a bridge and get up river. Then,,,
underwater cables?

I also did a search of the river and it is about 90 miles from St John to
Fredericton. That is a significant trip up and back.

If it were me? I'd sail to St John, take a bus/car/etc to Fredericton,
watch the festival, have a couple of days to roam, and then go back and get
my boat in St John.

Then, sail to Nova Scotia, and then back to Maine. You still get the
international in your itinerary, without the reversing falls, underwater
cables, and 180 mile trip up and down a river.

Just my thoughts.

============




"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:00:13 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

"cable ferries" ?? what is a cable ferry?


Ferries that run along an underwater cable. Especially used where the
ferry crosses a river with strong currents.


CWM


===========================
"Terry K" wrote in message
oups.com...
Please be advised it is the Saint John River in New Brunswick. There
are other near namesakes (St. John's River, etc.) spread between New
Found Land, and Florida.

Several major features of this river have not been mentioned: Grand
Lake and Washdemoak Lake being two, each of which is worthy of a week
of exploration and fishing, etc. The reversing falls are so unique
that I am surprised they don't constitute more of an attraction.

The harbour in St. John, outside the falls, with it's public dock and
walking access to the farmer's market are another, while the river
itself is delightfully tranquil and picturesque and has many public
docks between it's mouth and Fredericton. Gagetown is also a popular
arts colony, with all the comforts any sailor might require, including
a delightful pub, the Old Boot, next to the docks.

Many of the Marble Head to Halifax race crowd make an annual side trip
to Grand lake's Douglas Harbour every year, for good reason.

I have sailed hereabouts for over 10 years. My boat has a mooring in
Evandale, in my cottage's front yard. Watch out for cable ferries,
hail on 16, and pass behind.

Terry K

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

NE Sailboat wrote:

If it were me? I'd sail to St John, take a bus/car/etc to
Fredericton, watch the festival,

If I were you, I would just take the bus the whole way and back:)

--
Roger Long

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

Hey ,, just my opinion .. you didn't have to get all Roger on me.

I hope you don't end up like "Skip".

I don't want to read "boat caught in reversing falls" in the Portland Press.

I am getting my cruising plans set for the summer just like you. Off to
Buzzards Bay, Cape Cod. Why? Because I am offered a
free mooring down there and if I show up I can participate in a Nantucket
trip inwhich I get a free mooring at Nantucket.

How can ya beat that?

After all this,, back to NH and off to Maine.

So.. take that you "old pirate lover".


=======================================


"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
NE Sailboat wrote:

If it were me? I'd sail to St John, take a bus/car/etc to
Fredericton, watch the festival,

If I were you, I would just take the bus the whole way and back:)

--
Roger Long

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

NE Sailboat wrote:

I don't want to read "boat caught in reversing falls" in the Portland
Press.

I've been through hairer place than that:

http://home.maine.rr.com/bmssez/06C8.htm

and not to mention many passages through the infamous Woods Hole, my old
front yard. I remember getting into the channel just as a tug and barge
coming down current the other way hit some eddy and the barge swung out to
one side taking up most of the channel. I eased over into a cove in the
rocks and let the main out so that the speed dropped to just match the
current. We held position over the ground, still making impressive speed
through the water, with the rocks close ahead, astern, and along side. The
tug boat swept by gunning it's engines and blowing clouds of black smoke
attempting to get the barge back in line as I juggled sail trim and rudder.
The beautiful woman who was with me said, "I am very impressed." A year or
two later though, she married the tugboat captain, evidence perhaps that
size (of boats) does matter. I've always felt that it isn't what you have
but what you do with it and how that matters but it didn't do the trick this
time.

Free mooring in Nantucket eh? Clearly you are pleasanter to some people
than many of your posts here would indicate.

--
Roger Long

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

Sailors know that the journey is the goal. Spending 2 weeks going up,
festivalling for 4-5 days, then sailing down in the fall colours is
worth the time. Bring a camera.

I use a cable ferry to get to my mooring. Steel clothesline lets me
find the mooring every spring, and dragging the float out to the
mooring is a snap.

Terry K

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

Terry K ,, at the schedule you just posted; the trip to Fredericton and
back to St John is a one month journey.

Does it take two weeks to get from St John to Fredericton? I looked on
google and it is about 90 miles from St John to Fredericton.

I would think; 60*D=S*T
60*90=5*T
should take : 18 hours

60*90=5400
divided by 5kts per hour

equal = 1080 minutes
equal 1080 divide by 60 = 18 hours of cruising at 5 kts per hour

18 divide by 6 hours per day = 3 days

Am I missing something? I would think Roger would be able to get to
Fredericton in 3 days, spend 3 days at the festival and then 3-4 days return
to St John.

The whole trip would be less than two weeks.

Is that what you are saying?

================================================== ============
"Terry K" wrote in message
ups.com...
Sailors know that the journey is the goal. Spending 2 weeks going up,
festivalling for 4-5 days, then sailing down in the fall colours is
worth the time. Bring a camera.

I use a cable ferry to get to my mooring. Steel clothesline lets me
find the mooring every spring, and dragging the float out to the
mooring is a snap.

Terry K

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/17/2007 10:34 AM:
Terry K ,, at the schedule you just posted; the trip to Fredericton and
back to St John is a one month journey.

Does it take two weeks to get from St John to Fredericton? I looked on
google and it is about 90 miles from St John to Fredericton.

I would think; 60*D=S*T
60*90=5*T
should take : 18 hours

60*90=5400
divided by 5kts per hour

equal = 1080 minutes
equal 1080 divide by 60 = 18 hours of cruising at 5 kts per hour

18 divide by 6 hours per day = 3 days

Am I missing something? I would think Roger would be able to get to
Fredericton in 3 days, spend 3 days at the festival and then 3-4 days return
to St John.

The whole trip would be less than two weeks.

Is that what you are saying?

Kts per hour??? are you talking about acceleration?

And why are you terrified of underwater cables? Do you imagine that
they are trip wires that the locals pull taut whenever a foreign boat
goes by? As for the Reversing Falls, that's always been a goal of
mine. I don't think we'll get there this year, but maybe in a few.

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

Jeff ,, terrified of underwater cables? I don't believe I ever posted that.

I have never encountered them where I sail.

Once again you show what a twurp you are. Rather than post something of
value, you attack.

Tell ya what .. why don't you try Niagra Falls.


"Jeff" wrote in message
...
* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/17/2007 10:34 AM:
Terry K ,, at the schedule you just posted; the trip to Fredericton and
back to St John is a one month journey.

Does it take two weeks to get from St John to Fredericton? I looked on
google and it is about 90 miles from St John to Fredericton.

I would think; 60*D=S*T
60*90=5*T
should take : 18 hours

60*90=5400
divided by 5kts per hour

equal = 1080 minutes
equal 1080 divide by 60 = 18 hours of cruising at 5 kts per hour

18 divide by 6 hours per day = 3 days

Am I missing something? I would think Roger would be able to get to
Fredericton in 3 days, spend 3 days at the festival and then 3-4 days
return to St John.

The whole trip would be less than two weeks.

Is that what you are saying?

Kts per hour??? are you talking about acceleration?

And why are you terrified of underwater cables? Do you imagine that they
are trip wires that the locals pull taut whenever a foreign boat goes by?
As for the Reversing Falls, that's always been a goal of mine. I don't
think we'll get there this year, but maybe in a few.

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

"NE Sailboat" wrote

I don't believe I ever posted that.


I know exactly how you feel. Someone has repeatedly claimed here that I am
in favor of licencing for recrational boaters despite my disclaimers. No
big thing. I just give him a hard time whenever I can:)

--
Roger Long

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

On Mar 16, 10:54 am, "Don White" wrote:
"NE Sailboat" wrote in message

news:xxwKh.12283$vb.6745@trndny04...

"cable ferries" ?? what is a cable ferry?

We have two cable type ferries that I know about in Nova Scotia.
As charles said, a cable is laid across the usually narrow channel and keeps
the small open type ferries from being swept with the current.
Did't we see an old fashioned hand operated version in 'The Outlaw Josey
Wales'?
Here's the one at Englishtown in cape Breton.http://www.pbase.com/murd/image/21381016
plus http://marinas.com/view/inlet/1769

Hey Don, There are two I know of on Cape Breton alone, Englishtown,
St. Annes Bay you mentioned and Little Narrows on Whycocomagh Bay,
Bras d'Or lakes. On mainland Nova Scotia, there's Country Harbour
Ferry and LaHave Ferry.

http://marinas.com/browse/ferry/CA/NS/

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

The Journey IS the destination. Or, hurry. Take a week, take three
weeks. Fly, why bother with boats? Sheesh.

Shucks, wait for good sledding and you could sail there on the ice in
about two hours on a real good day. 'Course, by then the leaves are
all gone. When you come to the year round cable ferry crossings, just
sail to the ferry dock and carry the iceboat around the water ditch in
the ice.

Or just stay home and drink.

Terry K

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

"Ken Heaton, Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia" wrote in
message Hey Don, There are two I know of on Cape Breton alone,
Englishtown,
St. Annes Bay you mentioned and Little Narrows on Whycocomagh Bay,
Bras d'Or lakes. On mainland Nova Scotia, there's Country Harbour
Ferry and LaHave Ferry.

http://marinas.com/browse/ferry/CA/NS/


Thanks Ken...I was looking for pictures of the Lahave ferry with no
results.... I see it's under East Lahave.
I should have remembered the ferry at Little Narrows...we were there fall of
2005. Is it still running?

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Ken Heaton, Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia" wrote
in message Hey Don, There are two I know of on Cape Breton alone,
Englishtown,
St. Annes Bay you mentioned and Little Narrows on Whycocomagh Bay,
Bras d'Or lakes. On mainland Nova Scotia, there's Country Harbour
Ferry and LaHave Ferry.

http://marinas.com/browse/ferry/CA/NS/


Thanks Ken...I was looking for pictures of the Lahave ferry with no
results.... I see it's under East Lahave.
I should have remembered the ferry at Little Narrows...we were there fall
of 2005. Is it still running?


Woops... the gears just started meshing... I remembered the big church on
one side. This was the ferry we took We avoided the Englishtown Ferry by
driving around the southern end of St. Ann's bay as we headed up to do the
Cabot Trail counterclockwise.

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/17/2007 12:43 PM:
Jeff ,, terrified of underwater cables? I don't believe I ever posted that.

You twice mentioned them as reasons not cruise one of the most
beautiful rivers on the East Coast. I can understand being a bit
nervous about the Reversing Falls, or the 20 foot tides, or even the
fog, but underwater cables? Give me a break!


I have never encountered them where I sail.

Cable ferries were once quite common, but now there are not too many
still operating. Cables in general, are of course, quite common.

And I may be wrong, but the river up to Fredericton looks more like 65
nm than 90. In any case, its considered to be gorgeous cruising
grounds, the real reason to go to St. John.

Once again you show what a twurp you are. Rather than post something of
value, you attack.

I thought that mentioning that "kts per hour" is a really stupid
phrase to use might be a value to some novices who don't want to look
like a fool.

Tell ya what .. why don't you try Niagra Falls.

Do you mean "Niagara Falls"? A lovely spot. I've even been boating
there, but I let someone else drive:
http://www.maidofthemist.com/en/




"Jeff" wrote in message
...
* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/17/2007 10:34 AM:
Terry K ,, at the schedule you just posted; the trip to Fredericton and
back to St John is a one month journey.

Does it take two weeks to get from St John to Fredericton? I looked on
google and it is about 90 miles from St John to Fredericton.

I would think; 60*D=S*T
60*90=5*T
should take : 18 hours

60*90=5400
divided by 5kts per hour

equal = 1080 minutes
equal 1080 divide by 60 = 18 hours of cruising at 5 kts per hour

18 divide by 6 hours per day = 3 days

Am I missing something? I would think Roger would be able to get to
Fredericton in 3 days, spend 3 days at the festival and then 3-4 days
return to St John.

The whole trip would be less than two weeks.

Is that what you are saying?
Kts per hour??? are you talking about acceleration?

And why are you terrified of underwater cables? Do you imagine that they
are trip wires that the locals pull taut whenever a foreign boat goes by?
As for the Reversing Falls, that's always been a goal of mine. I don't
think we'll get there this year, but maybe in a few.

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

Roger,

Have you seen the reversing falls?

I have not been through it in a boat but have eaten lunch at the
overlook restaurant a couple of times.

It is hard to compare locations from your photo but............from what
I can see, the photo you attached is mild compared to reversing falls.

Your decision one way or the other. Best of luck.

Howard

Roger Long wrote:
NE Sailboat wrote:

I don't want to read "boat caught in reversing falls" in the Portland
Press.

I've been through hairer place than that:

http://home.maine.rr.com/bmssez/06C8.htm

and not to mention many passages through the infamous Woods Hole, my old
front yard. I remember getting into the channel just as a tug and barge
coming down current the other way hit some eddy and the barge swung out
to one side taking up most of the channel. I eased over into a cove in
the rocks and let the main out so that the speed dropped to just match
the current. We held position over the ground, still making impressive
speed through the water, with the rocks close ahead, astern, and along
side. The tug boat swept by gunning it's engines and blowing clouds of
black smoke attempting to get the barge back in line as I juggled sail
trim and rudder. The beautiful woman who was with me said, "I am very
impressed." A year or two later though, she married the tugboat
captain, evidence perhaps that size (of boats) does matter. I've always
felt that it isn't what you have but what you do with it and how that
matters but it didn't do the trick this time.

Free mooring in Nantucket eh? Clearly you are pleasanter to some people
than many of your posts here would indicate.

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

Don White wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Ken Heaton, Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia" wrote
in message Hey Don, There are two I know of on Cape Breton alone,
Englishtown,
St. Annes Bay you mentioned and Little Narrows on Whycocomagh Bay,
Bras d'Or lakes. On mainland Nova Scotia, there's Country Harbour
Ferry and LaHave Ferry.

http://marinas.com/browse/ferry/CA/NS/

Thanks Ken...I was looking for pictures of the Lahave ferry with no
results.... I see it's under East Lahave.
I should have remembered the ferry at Little Narrows...we were there fall
of 2005. Is it still running?


Woops... the gears just started meshing... I remembered the big church on
one side. This was the ferry we took We avoided the Englishtown Ferry by
driving around the southern end of St. Ann's bay as we headed up to do the
Cabot Trail counterclockwise.



In Belize we went across a hand powered cable ferry to get from the main
road to Spanish Lookout. Spanish Lookout is an area where a bunch of
Canadian Mennonites have settled and turned the countryside into highly
productive farmland.

The ferry can take 2 cars at a time, maybe three. The time I was on it
we had 2 cars and two trucks (pick ups) with about half the Belizian
army on board. They fit the extra vehicles by parking on the ramps
overhanging the ferry. One old guy winching away on a big old wheel.
First over,then back. All day long.

I couldn't get a picture because of my wife screaming about death and
retribution the whole way. Life in the other lane!

St. Johns river (New Brunswick) question
 

"Howard" wrote

It is hard to compare locations from your photo but............from what I
can see, the photo you attached is mild compared to reversing falls.


You are quite right. The photo, like most photos of rough water, doesn't
begin to do it justice. The picture was actually taken looking towards the
difficult part.

Take a look at this chart section:

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/HellGate.jpg

You would have a hard time turning a 30 foot boat around at slack water in
the narrow part to the left of the 10. Note the rocks indicated on the
bottom over which the current runs at 4 - 5 knots. This is only the Upper
Hell Gate. The lower one often has a visible drop of a several feet similar
to the reversing falls but only in one direction.

The bridge clearances and water depths for the St. John are suitable for
larger vessels than could ever get through the Hell Gates so I can't imagine
the reversing falls are too tight.

Not many sailboats go through the Hell Gates. I did extensive planning to
be sure of doing it at high slack water. I still don't know how I managed
to hit it at maximum flow but I suspect the tide tables on the web site I
looked at use an algorithim that doesn't take the complex local differences
in channel water level into account. I've since discovered that there are
some dedicated current prediction sites for this spot.

If you are ever in this part of Maine though, it is a passage not to be
missed.

--
Roger Long