In the thread "the beginning of the end" Larry wrote:

If I leave the country and come back, any other way, I'm inspected by
border agents....plane, train, car....but not yacht. We leave Florida
and go 250 miles to catch the Gulf Stream. We drop out of the stream 90
miles S of Charleston and sail into Charleston Harbor. We are never
stopped, never questioned, never challenged...even by calling us on the
radio. CG can't find us if we're in trouble without our 406 EPIRB
lighting their way, so I know they haven't been tracking us on some
sophisticated satellite system the military runs or they could. When we
sail up the Charleston Jetties in the ship channel from sea, we never
see
anyone! We could BE anyone. The boat has no positive identifying
markers of any kind. It says, "Lionheart - Atlanta, GA" across the
stern
but we could have had that painted on her while they loaded her
thermonuclear device into the V-berth in (pick any port).

They really DO have a point. The Mexican border isn't anywhere NEAR as
open as the South Carolina Coast! Any boat from anywhere can come
ashore, even right up the main shipping channel into Charleston and
NOONE
IS TRACKING THEM! NADA! There's no picket ships at the 3-mile limit, a
really ABSURD edge of the US waters, when it should be 200 miles and
HEAVILY defended from all intruders, foreign and domestic. I could set
off a hydrogen bomb in INTERNATIONAL waters 3-miles off NYC, out of the
jurisdiction of the US Gummit by its own stupidity and make the WTC
inside job look like a pittance! The crater from a BIG bomb is 5 miles
across....inland to New Jersey! How stupid is that?

The USA needs shoreline RADAR and SOSUS and must force EVERY vessel that
leaves/enters the 200 mile exclusion zone to be fully transponding
AIS....JUST LIKE THE AIRPLANES squawk IFF. Hell, you could dock the
bomb
8 miles up the Ashley River in front of my house, and be 800 yards from
the main gate of the Charleston Air Force Base and NOONE WOULD KNOW OR
SEEM TO CARE YOU WERE THERE.

Of course, this assumes America is under attack from WITHOUT, which it
was not. America was attacked from WITHIN, by its own government. 9-11
wasn't the first time or the first hairbrained scenario to come from the
isolated Pentagon stupidity machine.....set to blow up bogus airliners
over Cuba to coerce Americans into a pre-emptive invasion against
Castro....remember? If W and the NeoCons had been in that seat, instead
of a dove Democrat, Cuba would be like Beirut, today.

Larry
--
CAUTION - STAY AWAY FROM THE HIGHLY RADIOACTIVE US/MEXICAN BORDER.
(after my plan to dump all nuclear waste 1 mile inland from it.)

I tried to post a reply four different times and none of them would
post. I did a test and my server is working just fine but the reply to
the above post won't come through.

Could it be Echelon is intercepting or blocking all replys because of so
many "key words" in the message. So, I'm starting a new thread. Let's
see if anybody can reply to this one.

Here's my reply to Larry that I posted four times and it was lost or
blocked. Hmmmm
will it work this way???

REPLY: You were doing OK until you regurgitated the above pabulum. Then
you
started sounding like a typical liberal wack job nut case. Twilight Zone
brain-dead moron material. Do do do do, do do do do, do do do do...

The point is don't harass American citizens. Put the emphasis on
illegals. And you don't need passports to determine if somebody is an
American Citizen. There's already the Big Brother computer with just
about every detail of your life in it. I recently got a T-Mobile cell
phone and they said they had to check real good so nobody could do the
identity fraud thing in somebody's else's name. The transferred me to
another dept. all within one minute and the other dept. asked me about
six questions like what make and color was my car, where did my oldest
brother's wife work, in which state was I born, a multiple choice of
companies I worked for, etc. Stuff no imposter could answer. If a phone
company can do it on a minutes notice to verify an identity surely the
federal govt. can do as well or better.

And lose the conspiracy crap, Larry. You sound sensible so why believe
conspiracy crap that has no proof whatsoever?

Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
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The point is don't harass American citizens.

How do I tell which plastic sailboat is "American citizens" and which is
not? How do I know where they've been and what they've been doing? Does
"Lionheart - Atlanta GA" on the stern positively identify my boat as
"American" and a really nice guy or maybe the yacht club burgee flying
from the yardarm?

Nope...Charleston Harbor is more wide open than the Mexican Border in
Arizona. Arizona has cursory border guards. Charleston has nothing.

The LEAST we can do is to string some radiation detectors across the
harbor entrance that will pick up the neutrons in the belly of some
tanker, sounding the alarm, probably too late. Would that be OK? We
JUST GOT nuke detectors at the container port....5 YEARS after 9-11! The
trucks drive over it leaving the port, I understand.

I'm really sorry your head is buried in the nationalist sand over 9-11.
If you'll open your eyes, just a tiny bit, the evidence that couldn't be
hidden is overwhelming. Pancaking floor collapses are SLOW, not freefall
speed, and the buildings FALL OVER, not collapse down like a demolition
at freefall speeds in seconds from 110 stories up. Pancaking buildings
look like pancaked buildings....without the pyroclastic outflow over
several square miles of blasted concrete dust. Pancaking buildings don't
have MOLTEN STEEL underground that's thousands of degrees hot for WEEKS
or MONTHS after the pancake collapse. Smoke doesn't billow up from their
basements from underground explosions recorded on a wide range of
earthquake monitoring equipment miles and miles away....over and over.

If a HUGE airliner crashes into a building that is TALLER than the
building with HUGE engines, 9000 pounds of human body parts, fire
retardant seats, titanium engines, massive wheels, tail, 400' wingspan,
it DOESN'T fit through a 16' hole next to a NO PARKING ANY TIME sign to
get into the building then JUST VANISH. It's thousands of gallons of
kerosene doesn't EXPLODE ON IMPACT, but burns for hours or DAYS, slowly,
with thousands of cubic yards of BLACK SMOKE because its KEROSENE, not
explosives at all. The hole had pictures the bureaucrats couldn't
confiscate like they tried all the videos. What are they hiding? What
are they hiding under the blue tarp the air force carried off, in DIRECT
violation of every forensic evidence law ever written. Why no
investigations? Why no metallurgy to see "why"? Because they KNEW
why....THERMITE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDx1GLqvBO8
Here, start here. You need a lot of education....

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
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The point is don't harass American citizens.

How do I tell which plastic sailboat is "American citizens" and which
is
not? How do I know where they've been and what they've been doing?
Does
"Lionheart - Atlanta GA" on the stern positively identify my boat as
"American" and a really nice guy or maybe the yacht club burgee flying
from the yardarm?

The govt. could go alongside a yacht with a well-fendered launch and
request ID. A registration and driver's licence should be plenty enough
to establish legitamacy. Instead, they now want you to dock or anchor
your boat somewhere and within 24 hours present yourself and crew to a
custom's and immigration office which is often many miles away. Dumb and
nothing but harassment.


Nope...Charleston Harbor is more wide open than the Mexican Border in
Arizona. Arizona has cursory border guards. Charleston has nothing.

So what! That's the way it should be. The entire coastline of the US
cannot be made secure in every way.


The LEAST we can do is to string some radiation detectors across the
harbor entrance that will pick up the neutrons in the belly of some
tanker, sounding the alarm, probably too late. Would that be OK? We
JUST GOT nuke detectors at the container port....5 YEARS after 9-11!
The
trucks drive over it leaving the port, I understand.

The whole myth about suitcase nukes is just that - a myth. You sure
worry about some way out things, there Larry. More realistic would be to
worry about the importation of biologicals and chemicals like sarin.

I'm really sorry your head is buried in the nationalist sand over
9-11.
If you'll open your eyes, just a tiny bit, the evidence that couldn't
be
hidden is overwhelming. Pancaking floor collapses are SLOW, not
freefall
speed,

Looked pretty slow to me. The building had a central core and outer
latticework of steel. You don't accelerate that huge mass to freefall
speeds just like that even without the friction. Hey genius, ever hear
of inertia?

and the buildings FALL OVER, not collapse down like a demolition
at freefall speeds in seconds from 110 stories up.

Sorry, but you claim the buildings fell at freefall speeds. Freefall is
straight down. Things don't fall over sideways in freefall. They go
straight down. A bit of inconsistency creeping into your delusions
there, Larry?

Pancaking buildings
look like pancaked buildings....without the pyroclastic outflow over
several square miles of blasted concrete dust. Pancaking buildings
don't
have MOLTEN STEEL underground that's thousands of degrees hot for
WEEKS
or MONTHS after the pancake collapse. Smoke doesn't billow up from
their
basements from underground explosions recorded on a wide range of
earthquake monitoring equipment miles and miles away....over and over.

Do you know how many gallons of jet fuel was introduced into those
buildings? Do you know how many gallons of diesel fuel were stored in
tanks in the basements of the WTC? Apparently not.


If a HUGE airliner crashes into a building that is TALLER than the
building with HUGE engines, 9000 pounds of human body parts, fire
retardant seats, titanium engines, massive wheels, tail, 400'
wingspan,
it DOESN'T fit through a 16' hole next to a NO PARKING ANY TIME sign
to
get into the building then JUST VANISH.


So, now you're a ballistics expert. Ha ha! I assume you're talking about
the Pentagon now. You conspiracy theorists are too stupid to understand
an airliner is mostly space. It looks like a solid object but it is a
thin skin of combustable aluminum mostly, yes even the framing. When
that hits a reinforced concrete wall at around 600mph it begins to crush
at the nose like a beer can. Because the force is very great it knocks a
small hole in the wall. The re-bar keeps the hole from becoming very
large. When the aircraft crushed all the way back to the wing roots the
wings fold back along the fuselage and enter the hole lenghtwise, not
sideways as you physics challenged conspiracy theorists envision. As for
just vanishing, that's another myth. Plenty of solid parts were
recovered.

It's thousands of gallons of
kerosene doesn't EXPLODE ON IMPACT, but burns for hours or DAYS,
slowly,
with thousands of cubic yards of BLACK SMOKE because its KEROSENE, not
explosives at all.

Oh, so you believe that for the Pentagon but you object to that in the
case of the WTC. Hmmm, yet more inconsistency.

The hole had pictures the bureaucrats couldn't
confiscate like they tried all the videos. What are they hiding?
What
are they hiding under the blue tarp the air force carried off, in
DIRECT
violation of every forensic evidence law ever written. Why no
investigations? Why no metallurgy to see "why"? Because they KNEW
why....THERMITE.

Yah right. Go ahead and believe your nutcase explanations. But at least
ask yourself one thing. Where is the aircraft and where are the
pasengers and crew? Just vanished into thin air? Lost in the Bermuda
triangle? Ha ah ah a ha hah ha hha h ah hahaha!

I have a personal friend who saw with his own eyes the airliner strike
the Pentagon. It flew right over his building and when he heard the very
loud scream of the jet engines he looked out a window. He saw it from
the rear quarter; tail, wings and all striking the Pentagon in a big
cloud of dust, smoke and fire. So, go ahead believe what you will. It'll
make you happy and it won't change the facts. You nut jobs have to have
something weird to believe in so it might as well be that.

Wilbur Hubbard

Yah right. Go ahead and believe your nutcase explanations. But at least
ask yourself one thing. Where is the aircraft and where are the
pasengers and crew? Just vanished into thin air? Lost in the Bermuda
triangle? Ha ah ah a ha hah ha hha h ah hahaha!

I have a personal friend who saw with his own eyes the airliner strike
the Pentagon. It flew right over his building and when he heard the very
loud scream of the jet engines he looked out a window. He saw it from
the rear quarter; tail, wings and all striking the Pentagon in a big
cloud of dust, smoke and fire. So, go ahead believe what you will. It'll
make you happy and it won't change the facts. You nut jobs have to have
something weird to believe in so it might as well be that.

Wilbur Hubbard


Gentlemen,
Is it just possible that people can have their say, refute or rebut
information and arguments in a non-derisive manner without resorting
to abusive language.

Surely in this civilised world with all its education and
sophistication it is not necessary to belittle someone with whom one
does not agree. I may or may not agree with such as Larry but I will
defend his right to freely express his views with hindrance. Part of
the right to freedom of speech is to be allowed to have one's say. If
one kept quiet through fear of potential abuse and ridicule then one
would be effectively denied that freedom to speak. Bullying tactics
have no place when seeking the truth. Such as Kepler, Da Vinci,
Galileo and others will attest to this. It is not that long ago the
The Church and learned men believed firmly in a flat earth even though
Eritosthenes of Alexandria proved it to be not and even measured its
diameter remarkably accurately in Ptolemaic Egypt.

cheers
Peter

"Peter Hendra" wrote in message
...

Yah right. Go ahead and believe your nutcase explanations. But at
least
ask yourself one thing. Where is the aircraft and where are the
pasengers and crew? Just vanished into thin air? Lost in the Bermuda
triangle? Ha ah ah a ha hah ha hha h ah hahaha!

I have a personal friend who saw with his own eyes the airliner strike
the Pentagon. It flew right over his building and when he heard the
very
loud scream of the jet engines he looked out a window. He saw it from
the rear quarter; tail, wings and all striking the Pentagon in a big
cloud of dust, smoke and fire. So, go ahead believe what you will.
It'll
make you happy and it won't change the facts. You nut jobs have to
have
something weird to believe in so it might as well be that.

Wilbur Hubbard


Gentlemen,
Is it just possible that people can have their say, refute or rebut
information and arguments in a non-derisive manner without resorting
to abusive language.

Surely in this civilised world with all its education and
sophistication it is not necessary to belittle someone with whom one
does not agree. I may or may not agree with such as Larry but I will
defend his right to freely express his views with hindrance. Part of
the right to freedom of speech is to be allowed to have one's say. If
one kept quiet through fear of potential abuse and ridicule then one
would be effectively denied that freedom to speak. Bullying tactics
have no place when seeking the truth. Such as Kepler, Da Vinci,
Galileo and others will attest to this. It is not that long ago the
The Church and learned men believed firmly in a flat earth even though
Eritosthenes of Alexandria proved it to be not and even measured its
diameter remarkably accurately in Ptolemaic Egypt.

cheers
Peter

No, you are incorrect. There comes a point when any sane man cannot let
wack job nutcases have a say on an equal footing with the factual and
the sensible.

Should that Islamic fascist, Ahmadenijad, who says the holocaust never
happened and that Israel should be wiped off the face of the map, be
given equal time with legitimate historians who don't deny the
holocaust? Hell no! People like that should be shouted down and have
rotten vegetable tossed in their faces. The more you let people spout
their total nonsense on equal footing with reasonable explanations the
more you lend them credence. The more you lower the bar for the
reasonable and the sensible. I believe in letting everybody have their
say. But, I also believe what people say should have consequences. If
you say something stupid and obnoxious enough then, if somebody after
hearing you out decides to punch your right in the nose, you learn real
fast that actions have consequences and talking crap might just get you
crapped on. You've heard the old saying that if you repeat a lie often
enough it becomes accepted fact? That's the trouble with allowing wack
job conspiracists to remain unchallenged. You MUST not only challenge
their flaky ideas but you must point out that they cannot think clearly
either. You must show their inferior intellects are not capable of
rational thought. In other words their ideas reveal their brain
function. Dumb, stupid conspiracy ideas = dumb, stupid conspiracy
brain.

The widespread belief in human caused global warming is a good example
of what happens when you let a bunch of nutjobs spout their nonsense ad
nausea over a period of years without challenge. It becomes a religion.
A totally irrational religion based on belief and not on facts. That's
why it's important not only to refute nonsense but identify individuals
who spout nonsense as fact as defective mentally.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
...

No, you are incorrect. There comes a point when any sane man cannot let
wack job nutcases have a say on an equal footing with the factual and the
sensible.

Should that Islamic fascist, Ahmadenijad, who says the holocaust never
happened and that Israel should be wiped off the face of the map, be given
equal time with legitimate historians who don't deny the holocaust? Hell
no! People like that should be shouted down and have rotten vegetable
tossed in their faces. The more you let people spout their total nonsense
on equal footing with reasonable explanations the more you lend them
credence. The more you lower the bar for the reasonable and the sensible.
I believe in letting everybody have their say. But, I also believe what
people say should have consequences. If you say something stupid and
obnoxious enough then, if somebody after hearing you out decides to punch
your right in the nose, you learn real fast that actions have consequences
and talking crap might just get you crapped on. You've heard the old
saying that if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes accepted fact?
That's the trouble with allowing wack job conspiracists to remain
unchallenged. You MUST not only challenge their flaky ideas but you must
point out that they cannot think clearly either. You must show their
inferior intellects are not capable of rational thought. In other words
their ideas reveal their brain function. Dumb, stupid conspiracy ideas =
dumb, stupid conspiracy brain.

The widespread belief in human caused global warming is a good example of
what happens when you let a bunch of nutjobs spout their nonsense ad
nausea over a period of years without challenge. It becomes a religion. A
totally irrational religion based on belief and not on facts. That's why
it's important not only to refute nonsense but identify individuals who
spout nonsense as fact as defective mentally.

Wilbur Hubbard

So you endorse the initiation of physical violence against people who say
things you find overtly offensive?

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:SNBIh.28
:

that Israel should be wiped off the face of the map

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf39qkvwOhU
I can't figure out why Arabs are terrified of Isreali terrorists....or why
they hate them....

Nothing to do with boating but......,

If all good people were clever,
and all clever people were good,
the world would be nicer than ever,
I thought that it possibly could.
But, somehow it is seldom or never,
that the two get along as they should,
for the good are so cruel to the clever,
and the clever so harsh to the good

Mary Wordsworth
(sister of Bill who ponced through the bloody daffidols)