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Hull Blisters
Pierre,
What chemicals are you talking about? Regards, Ron |
Hull Blisters
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Hull Blisters
The uncured resins that are really the basis of blisters don't hold the
fiberglass together. They have to be heated to temperatures higher than the boiling point of water to get rid of. This can be a problem with cored hulls, where you might actually reach the glass transition temperature of the coring material before you get rid of the uncured resins. It's a common misconception that it's just water in the hull. It's really the acidic non-cured resins (which are hydroscopic in nature). See: http://www.hotvac.com/ http://www.daviscoltd.com/nams/Docum...er_Report.html http://www.yachtsurvey.com/blisters.htm http://www.marinesurvey.com/yacht/BlisterRepairFail.htm http://www.osmosisinfo.com/ ....to learn more about blistering, it's causes and repairs. "Parallax" wrote in message om... (Ron Thornton) wrote in message ... Pierre, What chemicals are you talking about? Regards, Ron With the microwave idea, I would not apply enough power to turn the water to steam, but enough to heat it to cause evaporation from the strips where the gelcoat has been peeled. This would cause the water from furhter from the strips to migrate (with the dissolved chemicals) to the peeled strips. Perhaps after the hull had dried enough, you might peel another inch on either side of the strips to get rid of more of the chemicals. HOWEVER, I am doubtful of ANY process getting rid of enouigh of these chemicals to matter since these chemicals are part of the resin holding the fibreglas together. The best bet may be to either not worry about blisters or to get rid of the water and then encapsulate the hull in a membrane that will not allow water penetration. Once again, has anyone heard of any real hull failures from osmotic blisters? |
Hull Blisters
Thanks Keith,
That explains a lot. Regards, Ron |
Hull Blisters
"Keith" wrote in message ...
The uncured resins that are really the basis of blisters don't hold the fiberglass together. They have to be heated to temperatures higher than the boiling point of water to get rid of. This can be a problem with cored hulls, where you might actually reach the glass transition temperature of the coring material before you get rid of the uncured resins. It's a common misconception that it's just water in the hull. It's really the acidic non-cured resins (which are hydroscopic in nature). See: http://www.hotvac.com/ http://www.daviscoltd.com/nams/Docum...er_Report.html http://www.yachtsurvey.com/blisters.htm http://www.marinesurvey.com/yacht/BlisterRepairFail.htm http://www.osmosisinfo.com/ ...to learn more about blistering, it's causes and repairs. "Parallax" wrote in message om... (Ron Thornton) wrote in message ... Pierre, What chemicals are you talking about? Regards, Ron With the microwave idea, I would not apply enough power to turn the water to steam, but enough to heat it to cause evaporation from the strips where the gelcoat has been peeled. This would cause the water from furhter from the strips to migrate (with the dissolved chemicals) to the peeled strips. Perhaps after the hull had dried enough, you might peel another inch on either side of the strips to get rid of more of the chemicals. HOWEVER, I am doubtful of ANY process getting rid of enouigh of these chemicals to matter since these chemicals are part of the resin holding the fibreglas together. The best bet may be to either not worry about blisters or to get rid of the water and then encapsulate the hull in a membrane that will not allow water penetration. Once again, has anyone heard of any real hull failures from osmotic blisters? It seems that most blisters occur between the gelcoat and "skincoat" of fibreglas or betwen the skincoat and the actual structural matting. In most cases they have no effect on structural strength since the skin coat is only there to prevent "print through" of the underlying matting that does provide structure. These blisters are almost always due to poor wetting of the skincoat with resin or use of poor quality resin that causes lack of adhesion of the skincoat to the matting ( I am paraphrasing from one of the websites suggested by an above poster, you oughta read it, cuz its got good material). Most gelcoat repairs fail, even those done by professionals. Since blisters are rarely structural, the best course may be to simply live with them but ascertain how your hull is built. So, here is another idea for blisters: Useless idea #3729 Since blisters are caused by poor wetting of the skincoat, why not make tiny holes in a large blister and inject very thin epoxy into the blisters (after forcing as much water out as you can) and then apply pressure to cause it to re-conform to the hull as much as possible forcing epoxy out the many holes. There are also materials (think superglue) that polymerise in the presence of water, maybe inject them. Since the professional "repairs" ussually fail, I feel justified in suggesting ideas. |
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Parallax wrote:
So, here is another idea for blisters: Useless idea #3729 AHAH! CAUGHT you re-using a number! This should be 3730 or so ;-) Since blisters are caused by poor wetting of the skincoat, why not make tiny holes in a large blister and inject very thin epoxy into the blisters (after forcing as much water out as you can) and then apply pressure to cause it to re-conform to the hull as much as possible forcing epoxy out the many holes. There are also materials (think superglue) that polymerise in the presence of water, maybe inject them. Might be an idea, but I just found out that improperly wetted out glass in our new anchor well did NOT wet out when I put additional on top. I suspect what little resin was there prevented new resin being absorbed. In my case, it's of no significance since we put a couple of more layers of properly wetted out glass cloth over for strength and it's not going to be a normally-wet area, so blisters will not be a factor. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Well, because it's easier to just grind out the blister and relaminate. Much
more effective that trying to get that stuff out on a blister by blister basis. "Parallax" wrote in message snip So, here is another idea for blisters: Useless idea #3729 Since blisters are caused by poor wetting of the skincoat, why not make tiny holes in a large blister and inject very thin epoxy into the blisters (after forcing as much water out as you can) and then apply pressure to cause it to re-conform to the hull as much as possible forcing epoxy out the many holes. There are also materials (think superglue) that polymerise in the presence of water, maybe inject them. Since the professional "repairs" ussually fail, I feel justified in suggesting ideas. |
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Jere Lull wrote: Parallax wrote: So, here is another idea for blisters: Useless idea #3729 AHAH! CAUGHT you re-using a number! This should be 3730 or so ;-) Since blisters are caused by poor wetting of the skincoat, why not When we hauled our boat for the pre-purchase survey, the surveyor found blisters, which he showed to me. I saw them. We've never seen those blisters since on any subsequent haulout. They've disappeared. This was a (at the time) 19 year old boat. So I'm not sure all blisters are caused by poor wetting of the skincoat. Bob thinks that the ones we saw were in the paint. make tiny holes in a large blister and inject very thin epoxy into the blisters (after forcing as much water out as you can) and then apply pressure to cause it to re-conform to the hull as much as possible forcing epoxy out the many holes. There are also materials (think superglue) that polymerise in the presence of water, maybe inject them. Might be an idea, but I just found out that improperly wetted out glass in our new anchor well did NOT wet out when I put additional on top. I suspect what little resin was there prevented new resin being absorbed. In my case, it's of no significance since we put a couple of more layers of properly wetted out glass cloth over for strength and it's not going to be a normally-wet area, so blisters will not be a factor. grandma Rosalie S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD CSY 44 WO #156 http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id2.html |
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Rosalie B. wrote:
When we hauled our boat for the pre-purchase survey, the surveyor found blisters, which he showed to me. I saw them. We've never seen those blisters since on any subsequent haulout. They've disappeared. This was a (at the time) 19 year old boat. So I'm not sure all blisters are caused by poor wetting of the skincoat. Bob thinks that the ones we saw were in the paint. My perception is that any "blisters" that don't penetrate through the basic layup are inconsequential. On the Tanzer list, we've had a number of complaints of "blisters" at the waterline, all less than a dime's size; almost all less than a quarter inch. As I read the descriptions, they were simply gel coat expanding and contracting differently than the substrate. That sort of thing is no problem; I know of no cases that got worse than that. Blisters extend into the hull's structure. The "blisters" that only affect the surface are of little consequence. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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