Ericson 27/28 Opinions?
Hi,
As I said a while ago, I'm downsizing and looking for a boat under $20K CDN - hopefully under $10K purchase price so I'll have some bux to fix it up. I was looking at the Catalina 27, mainly because it's by far the the most common 27-footer around here, but... A poster on BCBoatnet (http://www.bcboatnet.org) suggested an Ericson, and I did a little looking. All of them are in the US, most East-coast (or at least not West Coast ;) ), but some can be had for around $10K, and they look pretty good. I know the Ericson is better-built than the Catalina, and the poster says they're faster too (not sure about that...). So: opinions? stories? experiences? Noted a coincidence: I just looked at the thread here about the boat in the surf, and it sure looks like an Ericson 27/28! And I was impressed by it staying afloat and returning upright after the rollover. Tough boat! Oh: also, any idea how much it would cost to truck a 27ft sailboat from California to BC? druid |
Ericson 27/28 Opinions?
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:07:22 -0800, druid wrote:
Hi, As I said a while ago, I'm downsizing and looking for a boat under $20K CDN - hopefully under $10K purchase price so I'll have some bux to fix it up. I was looking at the Catalina 27, mainly because it's by far the the most common 27-footer around here, but... A poster on BCBoatnet (http://www.bcboatnet.org) suggested an Ericson, and I did a little looking. All of them are in the US, most East-coast (or at least not West Coast ;) ), but some can be had for around $10K, and they look pretty good. I know the Ericson is better-built than the Catalina, and the poster says they're faster too (not sure about that...). So: opinions? stories? experiences? Noted a coincidence: I just looked at the thread here about the boat in the surf, and it sure looks like an Ericson 27/28! And I was impressed by it staying afloat and returning upright after the rollover. Tough boat! Oh: also, any idea how much it would cost to truck a 27ft sailboat from California to BC? Certainly more than it's worth for a boat like that, especially considering the tremendous number and variety of boats available in BC and WA. Matt O. |
Ericson 27/28 Opinions?
druid wrote:
Hi, As I said a while ago, I'm downsizing and looking for a boat under $20K CDN - hopefully under $10K purchase price so I'll have some bux to fix it up. I was looking at the Catalina 27, mainly because it's by far the the most common 27-footer around here, but... A poster on BCBoatnet (http://www.bcboatnet.org) suggested an Ericson, and I did a little looking. All of them are in the US, most East-coast (or at least not West Coast ;) ), but some can be had for around $10K, and they look pretty good. I know the Ericson is better-built than the Catalina, and the poster says they're faster too (not sure about that...). So: opinions? stories? experiences? Noted a coincidence: I just looked at the thread here about the boat in the surf, and it sure looks like an Ericson 27/28! And I was impressed by it staying afloat and returning upright after the rollover. Tough boat! Oh: also, any idea how much it would cost to truck a 27ft sailboat from California to BC? druid I looked at quite a few Ericson 27s and some 29's of 1970's/80's vintage when I was last in the market for a boat. I think they are well constructed boats generally, but for some reason they seemed to have more issues with deck delamination than some of the other brands I looked at. Obviously mine was not a massive sample size but, as I recall, it was nearly every one I looked at. Of course any boat that age can have problems such as these and needs a thorough going over. If you can find one in good shape then I think it would be a fine boat--definitely a better "fit and finish" than the Catalina. (I say that as a reasonably satisfied owner of a Catalina 30.) As for Catalina 27s: There are lots of them available here in So. California, easily for under $10K. In fact, for $10K I'd expect one to be in outstanding shape and well equipped. But the shipping costs in your case would turn it into not such a great deal, IMO. Regards, Alan Gomes |
Ericson 27/28 Opinions?
Alan Gomes wrote:
druid wrote: Hi, As I said a while ago, I'm downsizing and looking for a boat under $20K CDN - hopefully under $10K purchase price so I'll have some bux to fix it up. I was looking at the Catalina 27, mainly because it's by far the the most common 27-footer around here, but... A poster on BCBoatnet (http://www.bcboatnet.org) suggested an Ericson, and I did a little looking. All of them are in the US, most East-coast (or at least not West Coast ;) ), but some can be had for around $10K, and they look pretty good. I know the Ericson is better-built than the Catalina, and the poster says they're faster too (not sure about that...). So: opinions? stories? experiences? Noted a coincidence: I just looked at the thread here about the boat in the surf, and it sure looks like an Ericson 27/28! And I was impressed by it staying afloat and returning upright after the rollover. Tough boat! Oh: also, any idea how much it would cost to truck a 27ft sailboat from California to BC? druid I looked at quite a few Ericson 27s and some 29's of 1970's/80's vintage when I was last in the market for a boat. I think they are well constructed boats generally, but for some reason they seemed to have more issues with deck delamination than some of the other brands I looked at. Obviously mine was not a massive sample size but, as I recall, it was nearly every one I looked at. Of course any boat that age can have problems such as these and needs a thorough going over. If you can find one in good shape then I think it would be a fine boat--definitely a better "fit and finish" than the Catalina. (I say that as a reasonably satisfied owner of a Catalina 30.) As for Catalina 27s: There are lots of them available here in So. California, easily for under $10K. In fact, for $10K I'd expect one to be in outstanding shape and well equipped. But the shipping costs in your case would turn it into not such a great deal, IMO. Regards, Alan Gomes Just had a Yankee 30 trucked from Marina Del Rey. $1.50 per mile. Trucker was telling me there are so many used boats in Cal that won't sell that the owners just abandon them in the marinas and the marinas chop them up. Masts cut into pieces for scrap, lead keels scrapped out, and the glass hull cut up and dumpstered. He buys a lot of boats for resale and may well have an Ericson. AND he will deliver it. Another nice, nice boat is the Cal 29. And I know he has 2 of those for around 8k. Email me privately if you want a name and number. Gordon |
Ericson 27/28 Opinions?
Another boat you may look at is the Paceship 26 (PY26). They are
solidly built and while they have a cored deck, they have little to no delamination / rot issues that I know of. Check out paceship.org for more details. Matt On Feb 1, 12:07 am, druid wrote: Hi, As I said a while ago, I'm downsizing and looking for a boat under $20K CDN - hopefully under $10K purchase price so I'll have some bux to fix it up. I was looking at the Catalina 27, mainly because it's by far the the most common 27-footer around here, but... A poster on BCBoatnet (http://www.bcboatnet.org) suggested an Ericson, and I did a little looking. All of them are in the US, most East-coast (or at least not West Coast ;) ), but some can be had for around $10K, and they look pretty good. I know the Ericson is better-built than the Catalina, and the poster says they're faster too (not sure about that...). So: opinions? stories? experiences? Noted a coincidence: I just looked at the thread here about the boat in the surf, and it sure looks like an Ericson 27/28! And I was impressed by it staying afloat and returning upright after the rollover. Tough boat! Oh: also, any idea how much it would cost to truck a 27ft sailboat from California to BC? druid |
Ericson 27/28 Opinions?
My impression from my boat searching was that any "too good to be true"
price on an Erickson means delamination and core problems. They are otherwise nice boats so a solid one would probably command a premium. I never saw any that seemed like they might be in this category though. One of the main reasons I bought my Endeavour 32 is that it is just about the only boat of the size, price, and interior quality that has no core anywhere (Except plywood in the cockpit floor). She's not as stiff under sail as she might be but sounds solid as rock punching into a head sea and should be still sailing long after I am gone. -- Roger Long |
Ericson 27/28 Opinions?
Gordon wrote:
snip Just had a Yankee 30 trucked from Marina Del Rey. $1.50 per mile. Trucker was telling me there are so many used boats in Cal that won't sell that the owners just abandon them in the marinas and the marinas chop them up. Masts cut into pieces for scrap, lead keels scrapped out, and the glass hull cut up and dumpstered. He buys a lot of boats for resale and may well have an Ericson. AND he will deliver it. Another nice, nice boat is the Cal 29. And I know he has 2 of those for around 8k. Email me privately if you want a name and number. Gordon The ones that are abandoned at the marinas are typically not worth having and that's why they are cut into pieces. While I've seen a few exceptions to that, generally the abandoned boats are trashed and even getting them for free would not be a good deal. The Cal 29 is a great boat. The have excellent sailing characteristics. However, don't get too excited about an $8K price. You should have no problem finding one for $8K (especially if you don't mind an Atomic 4), so that's not really such an amazing deal. In fact, there is one for sale in my marina with a current asking price of $3950. It's a bit dowdy but not "trashed" by any means. If you want one in really fine shape expect to pay closer to $12K. On the Cal 29 I'd have the surveyor check carefully the steel mast support beam that runs athwartships, as these rust out over time and are beastly difficult to replace so far as I know. Otherwise, these are terrific boats. --Alan Gomes |
Ericson 27/28 Opinions?
Alan Gomes wrote:
Gordon wrote: snip Just had a Yankee 30 trucked from Marina Del Rey. $1.50 per mile. Trucker was telling me there are so many used boats in Cal that won't sell that the owners just abandon them in the marinas and the marinas chop them up. Masts cut into pieces for scrap, lead keels scrapped out, and the glass hull cut up and dumpstered. He buys a lot of boats for resale and may well have an Ericson. AND he will deliver it. Another nice, nice boat is the Cal 29. And I know he has 2 of those for around 8k. Email me privately if you want a name and number. Gordon The ones that are abandoned at the marinas are typically not worth having and that's why they are cut into pieces. While I've seen a few exceptions to that, generally the abandoned boats are trashed and even getting them for free would not be a good deal. The Cal 29 is a great boat. The have excellent sailing characteristics. However, don't get too excited about an $8K price. You should have no problem finding one for $8K (especially if you don't mind an Atomic 4), so that's not really such an amazing deal. In fact, there is one for sale in my marina with a current asking price of $3950. It's a bit dowdy but not "trashed" by any means. If you want one in really fine shape expect to pay closer to $12K. On the Cal 29 I'd have the surveyor check carefully the steel mast support beam that runs athwartships, as these rust out over time and are beastly difficult to replace so far as I know. Otherwise, these are terrific boats. --Alan Gomes One other comment: Maybe the $8K price is a really good deal if the delivery to you is included (assuming you can't find Cal 29's up there for as cheap as they are down here). My comments simply apply to what the selling prices of these boats down here. $8K would be an OK price but certainly nothing exceptional or amazing. --AG |
Ericson 27/28 Opinions?
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:07:22 -0800, druid wrote:
Hi, As I said a while ago, I'm downsizing and looking for a boat under $20K CDN - hopefully under $10K purchase price so I'll have some bux to fix it up. I was looking at the Catalina 27, mainly because it's by far the the most common 27-footer around here, but... A poster on BCBoatnet (http://www.bcboatnet.org) suggested an Ericson, and I did a little looking. All of them are in the US, most East-coast (or at least not West Coast ;) ), but some can be had for around $10K, and they look pretty good. Thanks for all the responses! A bit dissappointed I didn't hear from any actual Ericson owners, but still... I've looked at several other options, such as the CS27 (can't find one cheap enough), etc. Had a Cal 25 for years - great boat! The 29 is nice, but kinda narrow, not that cheap unless it's really thrashed, and 29 is getting up there size-wise (bigger boat is more expensive Everything). I thought about the Cal 2-27, but they're pretty rare. Got a quote for shipping a 27 from CA to Vancouver: $3500 (assume US$), plus a "fuel surcharge". Pretty much eliminates buying a $7K boat down there. If I could find one in Puget Sound area (Seattle, Bellingham, even Tacoma...) I could easily sail her up. Maybe even Portland, but the WA coast is pretty intimidating... Of course, this is all academic until I sell Far Cove. I've "bought before I've sold" too many times to fall into that trap again! So, basically Wishful Thinking until April or so. (too bad - the best deals are now!) druid http://www.bcboatnet.org |
Ericson 27/28 Opinions?
druid wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:07:22 -0800, druid wrote: Hi, As I said a while ago, I'm downsizing and looking for a boat under $20K CDN - hopefully under $10K purchase price so I'll have some bux to fix it up. I was looking at the Catalina 27, mainly because it's by far the the most common 27-footer around here, but... A poster on BCBoatnet (http://www.bcboatnet.org) suggested an Ericson, and I did a little looking. All of them are in the US, most East-coast (or at least not West Coast ;) ), but some can be had for around $10K, and they look pretty good. Thanks for all the responses! A bit dissappointed I didn't hear from any actual Ericson owners, but still... I've looked at several other options, such as the CS27 (can't find one cheap enough), etc. Had a Cal 25 for years - great boat! The 29 is nice, but kinda narrow, not that cheap unless it's really thrashed, and 29 is getting up there size-wise (bigger boat is more expensive Everything). I thought about the Cal 2-27, but they're pretty rare. Got a quote for shipping a 27 from CA to Vancouver: $3500 (assume US$), plus a "fuel surcharge". Pretty much eliminates buying a $7K boat down there. If I could find one in Puget Sound area (Seattle, Bellingham, even Tacoma...) I could easily sail her up. Maybe even Portland, but the WA coast is pretty intimidating... Of course, this is all academic until I sell Far Cove. I've "bought before I've sold" too many times to fall into that trap again! So, basically Wishful Thinking until April or so. (too bad - the best deals are now!) druid http://www.bcboatnet.org One thing you might consider - a boat that isn't cheap will also probably bring you more money when you sell it. |
Ericson 27/28 Opinions?
On Jan 31, 9:07 pm, druid wrote:
Hi, As I said a while ago, I'm downsizing and looking for a boat under $20K CDN - hopefully under $10K purchase price so I'll have some bux to fix it up. I was looking at the Catalina 27, mainly because it's by far the the most common 27-footer around here, but... A poster on BCBoatnet (http://www.bcboatnet.org) suggested an Ericson, and I did a little looking. All of them are in the US, most East-coast (or at least not West Coast ;) ), but some can be had for around $10K, and they look pretty good. I know the Ericson is better-built than the Catalina, and the poster says they're faster too (not sure about that...). So: opinions? stories? experiences? Noted a coincidence: I just looked at the thread here about the boat in the surf, and it sure looks like an Ericson 27/28! And I was impressed by it staying afloat and returning upright after the rollover. Tough boat! Oh: also, any idea how much it would cost to truck a 27ft sailboat from California to BC? druid I have been looking at lots of 20+ year old Catalina and Newport 27s before I bought mine, here my gut feeling for prices (around LA): For 10K, you should get a really nice, well equipped one thaat doesn't demand to spend another 10k on fixing things. A good one without major problems for 5k to 7k. 2 to 5k: Doable fixer's, if you like to do the work, below that: Beyond economical repair, but maybe still good for a few seasons. There will always be overpriced ones, but these are what I think the numbers for reasonable deals are. As for quality of craftsmanship, I haven't seen the Ericson, and find the Newports and Catalinas equally poorly / shoddy built (there is a reasaon why Halberg Rassys of the same vintage go for three times the price), but they are an unbeatable deal for the price. I wouldn't expect huge differences in quality within the cheap boat range, the condition of the individual boat you are looking at is much more important than the brand. (Btw., I would expect any plastic keel boat to return upright and stay afloat after a rollover, if the hatches are closed. And I would expect even a really good one in our price range to be ready for the land fill afterwards.) |
Ericson 27/28 Opinions?
"druid" wrote in message ... On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:07:22 -0800, druid wrote: Hi, As I said a while ago, I'm downsizing and looking for a boat under $20K CDN - hopefully under $10K purchase price so I'll have some bux to fix it up. I was looking at the Catalina 27, mainly because it's by far the the most common 27-footer around here, but... A poster on BCBoatnet (http://www.bcboatnet.org) suggested an Ericson, and I did a little looking. All of them are in the US, most East-coast (or at least not West Coast ;) ), but some can be had for around $10K, and they look pretty good. Thanks for all the responses! A bit dissappointed I didn't hear from any actual Ericson owners, but still... I've looked at several other options, such as the CS27 (can't find one cheap enough), etc. Had a Cal 25 for years - great boat! The 29 is nice, but kinda narrow, not that cheap unless it's really thrashed, and 29 is getting up there size-wise (bigger boat is more expensive Everything). I thought about the Cal 2-27, but they're pretty rare. Got a quote for shipping a 27 from CA to Vancouver: $3500 (assume US$), plus a "fuel surcharge". Pretty much eliminates buying a $7K boat down there. If I could find one in Puget Sound area (Seattle, Bellingham, even Tacoma...) I could easily sail her up. Maybe even Portland, but the WA coast is pretty intimidating... Of course, this is all academic until I sell Far Cove. I've "bought before I've sold" too many times to fall into that trap again! So, basically Wishful Thinking until April or so. (too bad - the best deals are now!) druid http://www.bcboatnet.org Lloyd... what would you do with the boat's cradle? Junk it in the USA? |
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