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Converting commercial trawlers
As we do our research, we occassionally run across a boat such is this: http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...d=37464&ur l= Though I'm sure maintenance on these commercial boats has been secondary to their operation, their price would seem to allow for some work to bring maintenance up to current (would that be around $50k or so?). But being purposefully built commercial fishing boats, they would seem to need a lot of work to convert them for liveaboard / personal cruising. So, using this boat (or one similar) as an example, what would it generally take (typical time, money and effort) to convert a fishing trawler to a liveaboard cruising trawler? (and is a Cat 3408 a good diesel for this application?) |
Converting commercial trawlers
Cal Vanize wrote: As we do our research, we occassionally run across a boat such is this: Nuthin................ Fire up that Cat and go have some fun. Personally I have been advocating your thoughts for the last year. I really like the Gulf Shrimpers for sail in TX-LA-MS-AL-FL. Wher else can you buy an 8 year old $400,000 boat for 100K?!?! Great boats all with out a job. I talked with two yards in Oregon that build or service the commercial fleets. Both estimated a standard gulf shrimper in the 70-80' range would cost $10,000 to haul, blast to white metal, coat and paint bottom and house. This also includes those typical "plus undiscovereds." For example, zincs, a little rudder, bearing, or Kortz work. Work boats are set up simple, durrable, easy to fix. They got to be. Yachts on the other hand are priced out of this world for "rich people", fragil, and complex to work on which all adds up to maint hogs that break easily and again cost an arm and a leg to modify if needed. Why are commercial fishing boats going so cheep. No local fish stocks. We caught them all. Fish prices way low because of farmed or foriegn product Fuel prices....... well can you say a buck a gallon to $3.00/gallon in five years?!?!? A formula that spells disaster for domestic fishing towns and families. But for cheep boats there has never been a better time to profit from others dispare. Bob |
Converting commercial trawlers
Oh, I forgot. DO NOT Google search for "yacht" conversions. Search for "vessel or ship broker" For example: http://www.marcon.com/ Take a look at what Marcon Vessel Broker has listed under Fishing Vessel. I wish I was buying a power boat.................! |
Converting commercial trawlers
Why are commercial fishing boats going so cheep. No local fish stocks. We caught them all. Having been deeply involved with West Coast fisheries, blanket statements like this are irritating to say the least. If you have the time and inclination please watch this narrative by Dr Ray Killborn of the U of W. Yes, some fisheries have problems but many others are very healthy. Go to this site, pick your download speed, then wait a bit. The first part is is a long intro but it will get into it. Warning, it is quite a lengthy discourse but well worth watching. http://www.uwtv.org/programs/displayevent.aspx?rID=2515 Gordon |
Converting commercial trawlers
Cal Vanize wrote in news:rUwqh.232$Je6.118
@newsfe02.lga: Though I'm sure maintenance on these commercial boats has been secondary to their operation, their price would seem to allow for some work to bring maintenance up to current (would that be around $50k or so?). Not so. This boat was operated by people who knew what they were doing, not some rich banker that just left as a dock condo. She had an engineer who cared for her systems, because if she failed she didn't make anyone any money. The banker wasn't going to own it that long, so he didn't give a **** if it had an oil change or not....as long as he wasn't involved. But being purposefully built commercial fishing boats, they would seem to need a lot of work to convert them for liveaboard / personal cruising. Convert?? She's beautiful! A very proper boat! Oh, how wonderful it would be to be able to come in from the weather deck, all wet in your foulies and boots and NOT have someone bitching at you to watch the custom carpet and make sure your PFD harness didn't scratch the fine, imported teak. Look at all that beautiful....well, FORMICA! She's got 4 bunks and 2 heads...check. 50 gallon hot water tank....check. A head you're not afraid to miss the hole on if the sea makes you lurch...check! A galley made for COOKING, not photography....check! I didn't see any holds in the yachtie-pretty tour pictures. Is it big enough for the barbie and 20 drunks to have a party if we push the DJ back into a corner? So, using this boat (or one similar) as an example, what would it generally take (typical time, money and effort) to convert a fishing trawler to a liveaboard cruising trawler? Just move aboard and give the missus a few months to let it grow on her. She'll appreciate the easy cleanups and not having to be afraid to scratch anything. She'll get used to it. Let's give up this silly notion of turning it into a Hinckley for an extra $80K. Set that money aside so we can replace her main engine and main generator if that time ever happens. This is a MANLY boat (AR! AR!)....not some floating whorehouse! Don't spoil her hard life character. (and is a Cat 3408 a good diesel for this application?) 3408 is a great engine....not a proper 4-53 or 6-71...but a great engine. It's probably the SIMPLE, mechanic-repairable, MECHANICAL diesel that doesn't require a computer science degree with Unix training to troubleshoot. Caterpiller makes fine tractor engines...converted to marine use. I sure like the auxiliary hydraulic get-home engine that won't leave you stranded. First class electrical power, too, but I must have missed the HOURS on all of these. Make a note the main engine is ALREADY overhauled from an ALREADY reconditioned block. So, when it wears out NEXT time, it will need replacement because it has ALREADY been through the overhaul count before you got it. They can only be overhauled X times, not indefinately. Let us know when you want us to come by and see your new trawler! We'll bring the booze, food and music....(c; Larry -- Extremely intelligent life exists that is so smart they never called Earth. |
Converting commercial trawlers
(and is a Cat 3408 a good diesel for this application?) 3408 is a great engine....not a proper 4-53 or 6-71... Uhh, I think your true color is showing................... and its green! |
Converting commercial trawlers
72' LOA with a 20' beam that draws about 7'. Where are you going to dock
it? That'll take a mighty big and expensive slip with at least 8' of MLW water all the way in. You got 8 kids? Do you really need 72 feet of boat? I think you are probably looking at closer to $200,000 for a "complete" liveaboard refit. Do you know how to maintain this boat's systems? Didn't think so. Add another $10,000 a year for maintainence. How about insurance? Do you have a 100 Ton Masters License? Didn't think so. You'll also need one of those to operate this vessle in the US. I have a friend that converted a 76' steel custom trawler that was built in Biddeford, Maine. This boat was only 5 years old and in excellent condition. He converted it to a blue water cruising yacht for a 2 year around the world cruise with his family. The boat cost him $750,000 and he added $800,000 over a year before they left. He is a retired ship's captain and a Merchant Marine Academy grad. He does know what he is doing. Not counting fuel and other consumables he figured his monthly maintenance at $1,500. Leave the exotics to the fools and experts. Cap'n Ric USCG Licensed Master S/V Sezaneh 2003 Beneteau 473 (I live aboard it) |
Converting commercial trawlers
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:02:11 GMT, "Cap'n Ric"
wrote: Do you have a 100 Ton Masters License? Didn't think so. You'll also need one of those to operate this vessle in the US. Not true unless your insurance company insists on it or you are carrying passengers for hire. |
Converting commercial trawlers
It's a good idea if you want that much boat. But except for some of the inshore boats (Lobster boats, west coast trawlers, eg), you will by hauling a LOT of displacement around and paying the consequent fuel bills. Of course, if you just want a live-aboard and don't do much traveling, they are a great deal. Cal Vanize wrote: As we do our research, we occassionally run across a boat such is this: http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...d=37464&ur l= Though I'm sure maintenance on these commercial boats has been secondary to their operation, their price would seem to allow for some work to bring maintenance up to current (would that be around $50k or so?). But being purposefully built commercial fishing boats, they would seem to need a lot of work to convert them for liveaboard / personal cruising. So, using this boat (or one similar) as an example, what would it generally take (typical time, money and effort) to convert a fishing trawler to a liveaboard cruising trawler? (and is a Cat 3408 a good diesel for this application?) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Converting commercial trawlers
Wayne.B wrote in
: On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:02:11 GMT, "Cap'n Ric" wrote: Do you have a 100 Ton Masters License? Didn't think so. You'll also need one of those to operate this vessle in the US. Not true unless your insurance company insists on it or you are carrying passengers for hire. I was wondering about that, myself. All it takes is money....lots of money. Larry -- Extremely intelligent life exists that is so smart they never called Earth. |
Converting commercial trawlers
Larry wrote: Wayne.B wrote in : On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:02:11 GMT, "Cap'n Ric" wrote: Do you have a 100 Ton Masters License? Didn't think so. You'll also need one of those to operate this vessle in the US. Not true unless your insurance company insists on it or you are carrying passengers for hire. I was wondering about that, myself. All it takes is money....lots of money. Here in N. FL. the shrimpers are being driven out of business by cheap imported shrimp. I cannot decide whether to think cheap imported shrimp is good dor bad but it is driving many shrimpers out of bus. Given that shrimping has been of low profitiabiluity in the past few years, the shrimp boats are in poor repair. I saw one boat here that had a large sheet of plywood screwed over a large hole in the side and she has been out shrimping many times like this. Some are just being allowed to sink at their berths....sorta sad. Larry -- Extremely intelligent life exists that is so smart they never called Earth. |
Converting commercial trawlers
Cap'n Ric wrote: 72' LOA with a 20' beam that draws about 7'. Where are you going to dock it? That'll take a mighty big and expensive slip with at least 8' of MLW water all the way in. You got 8 kids? Do you really need 72 feet of boat? I think you are probably looking at closer to $200,000 for a "complete" liveaboard refit. Do you know how to maintain this boat's systems? Didn't think so. Add another $10,000 a year for maintainence. How about insurance? Do you have a 100 Ton Masters License? Didn't think so. You'll also need one of those to operate this vessle in the US. How many shrimpers do you think are licenced Captains? Joe USMM Master Cap'n Ric USCG Licensed Master S/V Sezaneh 2003 Beneteau 473 (I live aboard it) |
Converting commercial trawlers
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Converting commercial trawlers
Cal Vanize wrote: wrote: How many shrimpers do you think are licenced Captains? Is this a test? Couldn't you help us out by making it multiple choice? A.) 1-10 B.) 1-100 C.) 1-1000 BTW how often are you willing to dish out 6000+ dollars to fill that pig up? Get a proper motor sailor, the best of all worlds. Joe |
Converting commercial trawlers
Cap'n Ric wrote: 72' LOA with a 20' beam that draws about 7'. Where are you going to dock it? A lot more places that WONT take a yacht. Try just about any place.... but ya might have a barge for a neighbour. You got 8 kids? Do you really need 72 feet of boat? Depending on the fishery youre usually talking three people to run a boat that size. One driving and two working the back deck. I think you are probably looking at closer to $200,000 for a "complete" liveaboard refit. And the guys working the boat live in the stoneage??? Dont think so. Men got to eat, sleep, and take showers. What else is missing? Do you know how to maintain this boat's systems? Didn't think so. I would argue that a commercial boat would be a huge improvment over any yacht to work on. Guys working on the water dont have time to screw around with all that sissy ****. Add another $10,000 a year for maintainence. Why? There aint nutin to break and if so the system will be out in the open and replaceable with basic marine stuff not the **** ya get from West MArine. How about insurance? Hummm, Ill have to think about this. Do you have a 100 Ton Masters License? Didn't think so. Now this really shows your lask of knowledge. how many commercial fisher men do you know that hold a USCG master license beacause it is USCG required? You'll also need one of those to operate this vessle in the US. Not. I have a friend that converted a 76' steel custom trawler that was built in Biddeford, Maine. This boat was only 5 years old and in excellent condition. He converted it to a blue water cruising yacht for a 2 year around the world cruise with his family. The boat cost him $750,000 and he added $800,000 over a year before they left. So the guy is an idiot with too much money to blow. And that proves what? He is a retired ship's captain and a Merchant Marine Academy grad. He does know what he is doing. Not counting fuel and other consumables he figured his monthly maintenance at $1,500. Leave the exotics to the fools and experts. So what is so exotic about a simple workboat? Unless that is, you dont know what you are talking about. Bob Cap'n Ric USCG Licensed Master S/V Sezaneh 2003 Beneteau 473 (I live aboard it) |
Converting commercial trawlers
Bob wrote:
Uhh, I thing those coonass back bayou shrimppers could pass a driver license test. HOw on earth cold they get a master license??!??!?! My guess is choice: D.) 0-1 Yeah, dat maybee rot. Bot lemme told you, day kin handle dem boats what you neveh gonna saw. Day doan need no drivah lisens far dem 4 weelahz. (Can you guess where I went to school? ;) ) |
Converting commercial trawlers
Cal Vanize wrote: Yeah, dat maybee rot. Bot lemme told you, day kin handle dem boats what you neveh gonna saw. ya got dat righ. dam good boat driva. Whish I haf fifty cnt fo ever coonass skipper. Id be a reech man. Day doan need no drivah lisens far dem 4 weelahz. Most dem ben on da riva since knee high to a mudbug. (Can you guess where I went to school? ;) ) Uhh.......... Dartmouth College? |
Converting commercial trawlers
"Cal Vanize" wrote in message ... wrote: How many shrimpers do you think are licenced Captains? Is this a test? Couldn't you help us out by making it multiple choice? Now-a-days how many can speak English? |
Converting commercial trawlers
"Frogwatch" wrote in news:1168896358.442205.262840
@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com: Here in N. FL. the shrimpers are being driven out of business by cheap imported shrimp. I cannot decide whether to think cheap imported shrimp is good dor bad but it is driving many shrimpers out of bus. Given that shrimping has been of low profitiabiluity in the past few years, the shrimp boats are in poor repair. I saw one boat here that had a large sheet of plywood screwed over a large hole in the side and she has been out shrimping many times like this. Some are just being allowed to sink at their berths....sorta sad. The same is true in Charleston. The boats cost just too much, especially in fuel, for the return on investment. Shrimp is very cheap compared to other seafoods and it's driving our shrimp fleet out of business, too. Big oil and the bankers must be very proud..... Larry -- Extremely intelligent life exists that is so smart they never called Earth. |
Converting commercial trawlers
Larry wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in news:1168896358.442205.262840 @11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com: Here in N. FL. the shrimpers are being driven out of business by cheap imported shrimp. I cannot decide whether to think cheap imported shrimp is good dor bad but it is driving many shrimpers out of bus. Given that shrimping has been of low profitiabiluity in the past few years, the shrimp boats are in poor repair. I saw one boat here that had a large sheet of plywood screwed over a large hole in the side and she has been out shrimping many times like this. Some are just being allowed to sink at their berths....sorta sad. The same is true in Charleston. The boats cost just too much, especially in fuel, for the return on investment. Shrimp is very cheap compared to other seafoods and it's driving our shrimp fleet out of business, too. Big oil and the bankers must be very proud..... Larry HUH? Are you related to Harry, Larry? Gordie |
Converting commercial trawlers
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 08:49:26 -0500, Larry wrote:
Wayne.B wrote in : On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:02:11 GMT, "Cap'n Ric" wrote: Do you have a 100 Ton Masters License? Didn't think so. You'll also need one of those to operate this vessle in the US. Not true unless your insurance company insists on it or you are carrying passengers for hire. I was wondering about that, myself. All it takes is money....lots of money. I know people with bigger yachts than that, and no license. Nor do their paid skippers have them, since they're not taking passengers for hire -- just driving the boat for the family, which is different. YMMV when it comes to insurance companies though. I know someone with a 54' sailboat who must have six qualified sailors aboard to go offshore. Their sailing resumes must be on file with the insurer. Matt O. |
Converting commercial trawler...OT for Gordon
Gordon wrote: Why are commercial fishing boats going so cheep. No local fish stocks. We caught them all. Having been deeply involved with West Coast fisheries, blanket statements like this are irritating to say the least. Yes, I agree. My "...caught them all..." is a gross simplification. Yes, some fisheries have problems but many others are very healthy. "...some..." "...very healthy..." If a person takes a historical look at all stocks in aggregate either world wide or in your own back yard, the Oregon Coast, you'll find there are more stocks are either extinct, on the verge of crashing, have to much bycatch, or simply too costly to fish. Example, how about Dungeness, salmon, Y-Tail, Widow, POP, basically all Sebestes complex, Halibut, O-Flats, sturgeon, smelt, shad. And that's just Oregon. Oh, yea but what about those trashfish (under utilized species) such as Hake (AKA Pacific Whiting)? Oh yea, Lets see... Russians fishing within 3mile until the FCZ was created Now the EEZ. Then the JVs of the 80s. Then US boats only about 1991. The Ocean Phoenix (world's largest processor) The F/T "bird boats", the Jaeger and Hawk swooped down to Oregon in-between Pollock seasons for some summer Hake sport. What's up now?? NMFS steps in and says slowdown, the hake are going to crash. The catchers and surimi plants say FU. We want more tonnage! Uh, what happened with the great cod grounds of the NE?????? Where are all the Columbia river salmon? Since you are an old timer to the Oregon Coast, you no doubt remember Astoria before the OR-WA bridge? That whole area by the ferry dock was all fish canneries. Now just a few old sets of pilings where all those canneries stood. Why did the canneries close?!?!?!?!?!? But you are correct I made a gross statement. After: 1) the potatoes farmers take all the river water, 2) the loggers take the timber that cooled the streams and created erosion that silted the salmon reds (spawning beds), 3) the ranchers run cattle on the streams again causing bed silting and reduced shade that increases stream temperatures, 4) Towns filled in the wetlands and marshes where the juvenile salmon stayed for protection, food, and rest, 5) Jo blow puts another 100mt of weed & feed on the lawn just to get it greener and it runs off into the stream, 6) Don't even mention all the bumper chrome shops, ship yards, and other business that use the rivers as a sewer, 7) Harbor and California Sea Lion populations increasing to normal and healthy populations. They got to eat too, 8) How many damns on the Columbia River system? And is it 10% of all juvenile salmon die passing down stream through each damn? And there are how many damns????? 9) Commercial boats always crying about the unfair NMFS quotas. 10) Technology on boats that can now search and catch a single fish and turn it into product. Bauder and Toyo machines capable of mincing a Pollock minnow into surimi. Or as I heard one F/T factory manager say, we striped the roe and killed all the breeders, we caught all the teenagers, and now I got to make these puppies into product. these fish are so young they aiint even got their eyes open. We aint gonna haf nuthin left to catch! You're right I did make a blanket statement when many other factors have contributed to a disastrous decline in EVERY commercially viable species and the concomitant bycatch. Go to this site, pick your download speed, then wait a bit. The first part is a long intro but it will get into it. Warning, it is quite a lengthy discourse but well worth watching. http://www.uwtv.org/programs/displayevent.aspx?rID=2515 Gordon Please Gordon do not believe those people who have a vested interest in catching more fish. Its like asking the Fox about the effectiveness of hen house security. In other words, go out to Yaguina Head (since you are an old time commercial fisheman) and see how many sea otters you can catch. Or Just off there, take your little dragger and see how you'ld do after a couple trys at "Chicken tow." Bob |
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He doesn't know what he's talking about. Note the fact he claims has a Benetoad. :-) And I would be surprised if he has a license at all. Based on the fact that he doesn't seem to know you don't need one to run this boat non-commericaly. Or that getting insurance should not be a big deal. |
Converting commercial trawlers
capt.bill11 wrote: Bob Wrote: Cap'n Ric wrote Leave the exotics to the fools and experts. So what is so exotic about a simple workboat? Unless that is, you dont know what you are talking about. Bob - Cap'n Ric USCG Licensed Master S/V Sezaneh 2003 Beneteau 473 (I live aboard it)- He doesn't know what he's talking about. Note the fact he claims has a Benetoad. :-) And I would be surprised if he has a license at all. Based on the fact that he doesn't seem to know you don't need one to run this boat non-commericaly. Or that getting insurance should not be a big deal.[/i][/color] capt.bill11 Ouch.............. do I detect a challenge? Let the rants begin! Im going to bed. Bed Time Bob ZZzzzzzzzzz |
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