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Hi Folks,
Up here in Canada (at least in Ontario) boats powered under 10hp are not required to be registered. This is the case with my 10 foot RIB and 9.9 outboard motor, which I use as a tender when sailing my big boat. No name on the dinghy, no registration numbers. In a trip through the eastern USA to Florida, am I likely to encounter problems with local police or coat guard because the dinghy is unregistered, unlicensed, etc.? Anyone experience problems with the local authorities? Warning and tips appreciated. Jimmy |
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I bought a boat from a Canadian owner who used the same vessel ID on his
dink as was assigned to the mother ship. Don't know if it's kosher but worked for him. "Jimmy" wrote in message . .. Hi Folks, Up here in Canada (at least in Ontario) boats powered under 10hp are not required to be registered. This is the case with my 10 foot RIB and 9.9 outboard motor, which I use as a tender when sailing my big boat. No name on the dinghy, no registration numbers. In a trip through the eastern USA to Florida, am I likely to encounter problems with local police or coat guard because the dinghy is unregistered, unlicensed, etc.? Anyone experience problems with the local authorities? Warning and tips appreciated. Jimmy |
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In the US, if your boat is USCG documented and the dinghy engine is 10
HP or less, you can put your documentation number plus "-1", ie 123456-1. You can only use the dinghy as a "tender", joy riding is out. I did that for a couple years with no problems, even doing a bit of joy riding. This in LA, MS, AL and FL. Last year I state registered the dinghy becase I started throwing it in the pickup and exploring some lakes and bayous. Rick On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:04:55 -0700, "jps" wrote: I bought a boat from a Canadian owner who used the same vessel ID on his dink as was assigned to the mother ship. Don't know if it's kosher but worked for him. In a trip through the eastern USA to Florida, am I likely to encounter problems with local police or coat guard because the dinghy is unregistered, unlicensed, etc.? Anyone experience problems with the local authorities? Warning and tips appreciated. Jimmy S/V Final Step http://www.morelr.com/coronado/ |
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Hi Jimmy,
I am a canuck who had his sailboat in Seattle and took a trip in my dinghy up through the locks into Lake Union. I was accosted by two incredibly rude Harbour cops who hassled me big time over no registration numbers on my boat and the fact I was a foreigner didn't make any difference to them in the slightest. You can't go anywhere other that from your boat to shore by the shortest possible route in an unregistered dinghy. That was about 10 years ago and I haven't been back and have no plans to ever go again. That country is simply not worth the hassle between the border guards, coasties and harbour police. If you really want a treat.... go to San Diego and try anchoring. Harbour Nazi's decend on you in droves. Good luck going south but myself and many others won't ever go south again. Hope this helps. cheers John Jimmy wrote: Hi Folks, Up here in Canada (at least in Ontario) boats powered under 10hp are not required to be registered. This is the case with my 10 foot RIB and 9.9 outboard motor, which I use as a tender when sailing my big boat. No name on the dinghy, no registration numbers. In a trip through the eastern USA to Florida, am I likely to encounter problems with local police or coat guard because the dinghy is unregistered, unlicensed, etc.? Anyone experience problems with the local authorities? Warning and tips appreciated. Jimmy |
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Well John, truth be told my experience in the USA has been markedly
simliar to yours, and many of the folks I know report similarly. I intend to get through the USA as quickly as I possibly can and move on. Cheerful banana republics are FAR more hospitable than most places in the USA, thanks to the egocentric gestapo like tactics we (and a lot of my friends and neighbours) have encountered in America. Local bubba cops who believe that they are the "utlimate authority" when in reality they are too ignorant to even know that they are ignorant. I've been ORDERED to do stupid things by these anal orifices (like extinguish an anchor light while anchored so that I don't confuse people!!) once too often. Hence the reason for my post. It may be a futile effort but attempting to avoid the dickheads is my aim. Fat chance..too many of them. SO different to cruising in Canada. Gotta wonder where the "Land of the Free" idea came from...or where it went huh? And now the "patriot act". Nothing beats taking away freedom and calling it patriotic! ~laughing and if you argue, you're (gasp) unpatriotic. Man, they have the whole country by the balls. Now watch all the antics as Americans attempt to defend their fictious belief in their non-existing freedom. Folks, before you react foolishly, recognise a couple of things: 1) It's true and you know it. 2) It's YOUR country and YOUR government. Only YOU can do something about it. Bitching at me will have no impact on YOUR mess. It'll just make you feel vaguely better. So don't worry, this Canuck will race through your country so fast you won't even know (or care) that I was there. Suits me to a tee too. John wrote: Hi Jimmy, I am a canuck who had his sailboat in Seattle and took a trip in my dinghy up through the locks into Lake Union. I was accosted by two incredibly rude Harbour cops who hassled me big time over no registration numbers on my boat and the fact I was a foreigner didn't make any difference to them in the slightest. You can't go anywhere other that from your boat to shore by the shortest possible route in an unregistered dinghy. That was about 10 years ago and I haven't been back and have no plans to ever go again. That country is simply not worth the hassle between the border guards, coasties and harbour police. If you really want a treat.... go to San Diego and try anchoring. Harbour Nazi's decend on you in droves. Good luck going south but myself and many others won't ever go south again. Hope this helps. cheers John Jimmy wrote: Hi Folks, Up here in Canada (at least in Ontario) boats powered under 10hp are not required to be registered. This is the case with my 10 foot RIB and 9.9 outboard motor, which I use as a tender when sailing my big boat. No name on the dinghy, no registration numbers. In a trip through the eastern USA to Florida, am I likely to encounter problems with local police or coat guard because the dinghy is unregistered, unlicensed, etc.? Anyone experience problems with the local authorities? Warning and tips appreciated. Jimmy |
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Jimmy wrote:
Hi Folks, Up here in Canada (at least in Ontario) boats powered under 10hp are not required to be registered. This is the case with my 10 foot RIB and 9.9 outboard motor, which I use as a tender when sailing my big boat. No name on the dinghy, no registration numbers. In a trip through the eastern USA to Florida, am I likely to encounter problems with local police or coat guard because the dinghy is unregistered, unlicensed, etc.? Anyone experience problems with the local authorities? Warning and tips appreciated. Jimmy In Washington State, a small boat with a low-powered engine which is used exclusively as a tender for a yacht is allowed without separate registration. In this state, the name of the yacht is used as, or included in, a name painted on the dinghy where it is visible when the dinghy is in the water. We are "Vala" and that's the name on the dinghy. Another guy's boat is "Zia" and he labeled his dinghy "Zia's". An old guy some time ago had a boat named "Nimbus" and he called his dinghy "Squally" and I guess got away with it. But I stress that this is only good going from the boat to shore (officially). I've not heard of anyone being hassled putting out crab pots or providing diver service or exploring a harbor. But if you get caught taking your boat through the locks (see below - what was he thinking?) then it is a separate motorcraft and needs to be licensed separately. |
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John I've got to reply to a few points, which I hope you'll accept in the spirit
offered. John wrote: Hi Jimmy, I am a canuck who had his sailboat in Seattle and took a trip in my dinghy up through the locks into Lake Union. I was accosted by two incredibly rude Harbour cops Sorry about those guys. Prickly as Hell. who hassled me big time over no registration numbers on my boat and the fact I was a foreigner didn't make any difference to them in the slightest. As it shouldn't, right? Putting aside the interpersonal difficulties, you *were* driving an unregistered boat through the locks. No case could be made that the boat was performing as a tender. Can't agree with you on that one - it was pretty blatant. I can't imagine some American being smiled at and given a 'tsk tsk' for being a mile into WG when it's active, can you? OK, not completely comparable, but rules and laws about these things in the US aren't created to hassle Canadians, of all people. You can't go anywhere other that from your boat to shore by the shortest possible route in an unregistered dinghy. Not strictly true, at least here in WA. We can do the odd setting of crab pots and exploring a harbor. I suppose that the law may be as you state it, but I've never heard of being hassled for that 'near boat' stuff. That was about 10 years ago and I haven't been back and have no plans to ever go again. That country is simply not worth the hassle between the border guards, coasties and harbour police. If you really want a treat.... go to San Diego and try anchoring. Harbour Nazi's decend on you in droves. Large cities tend to be that way. San Diego has had a horrible problem with anchored boats and they have been aggressive in trying to keep it under control. One can't anchor 'just anywhere', for a variety of very good reasons. But San Diego doesn't have exclusive hold on 'harbor nazi-ism'. Two years ago a friend who spends a lot of time anchored in French Creek (Vancouver, CA for your easterners) was busted big time, hassled for hours, made him report here and there, and fined in the hundreds for "Trespassing", which is the charge they laid when he overstayed an hour or so at a moorage on Granville Island. He admitted his error, but felt the reaction and treatment were out of line. Frankly I couldn't believe he was talking about Canada. But cities are strange animals. But did you check any source, whatever, to determine where you might anchor? If not, why not? You certainly can't drop into Vancouver Harbour or Victoria and anchor anywhere. Or Esquimault, which begins to compare to San Diego with its huge and varied Navy presence, right? One of the most valid criticisms of Americans I hear from my Canadian friends is that some of them, sometimes, act as though 'Canada were just another state' and fail to recognize that it is a sovereign nation. That's a fair judgement and embarrassing to us who do know and respect the distinction. But, reading your message, I wonder if perhaps you didn't act a little bit that way even if, on reflection, you knew better. Good luck going south but myself and many others won't ever go south again. Hope this helps. cheers John |
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Hi Chuck,
You make some very good points. I agree that one should know the laws of a country you are visiting as a foreign yacht. I come from a country where I am not required to register any vessel under 10 horsepower. Even if I have a 40 foot boat, as long as it has under 10 hp.......... no registration or licensing of any kind is required. I saw nothing wrong taking my dinghy through the locks and was having a great day until two bully's came along and were so incredibly rude that I could not believe they were real "peace officers". I was abiding by all the rules of my foreign country and it didn't even cross my mind that what I was doing was illegal. You know, there are just too many laws. My huge complaint was the attitude of the officers. I am smart enough not to antagonize most officers but these two were so bad I asked them to take me to their leader. I also requested that I speak to the Canadian Consulate office in Seattle to get this matter settled. They let me go. Just as well.... I was really drunk...(kidding....) Your law enforcement system in the U.S. needs some serious attention before it is too late to stop it. I have seen the U.S. coasties board pretty much every vessel in Bellingham Bay on a Sunday afternoon. I have also seen them board almost every boat that left Friday Harbour Wa. on a Sunday afternoon. This is well before 9/11 so I can't even imagine what life is like down there now for boaters. I'll never know personally. I have been boarded by the US coast guard numerous times and the black marks they left on my deck are still visible. I mentioned to them at the time that I would never let anyone on board my vessel with boots like that. I wasn't rude but just stating a fact. It is a subtle form of bullying but........ Chuck.... I have to ask you... do you think American boaters who violate WG are treated differently from Canadians who stray..... Most of the active WG time is American generated it seems so maybe they do nail you harder for that reason. I have only heard of a few Canadians who have gone to court in that area but one of them jumped on a U.S. submarine......... he got his photo in the papers. I wish I could remember the VHF channel but I have read somewhere that the U.S. authorities monitor some channel that is restricted in the States but used in Canada for nothing special. If they hear you using this channel even way up in Canada, you can get charged even though Canadians use the channel for BS. Your very right about Granville Island being hard on boaters who overstay the 4 hour daily limit. There used to be a night watchman there many years ago who would let out of town boaters overnight one time at that dock but those days are long over. It is the attitude of many law enforcement officers that is running amok. Being woken up from a sound sleep after anchoring with a bull horn and 50 billion candlepower of spotlight with an angry guy at the controls is totally unreasonable and you get written up in newsgroups. Thanks for getting me all straightened out.. I enjoyed your writing style too. You come across effectively without being condescending. If fact, I think I'll go down to the boat tomorrow and head off to Friday Harbour for the weekend......not. cheers j |
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Hell, I'm an American and agree completely. That's why I'm getting my boat
ready and leaving the country ASAP! Society has gotten too friggin' crazy for me. I saw a good cartoon yesterday. A witch was trick-or-treating and got some candy from the lady of the house. In the next frame, the witch says "and if I end up with a weight problem, you'll be hearing from my lawyer." Sad but true. "Jimmy" wrote in message .. . Well John, truth be told my experience in the USA has been markedly simliar to yours, and many of the folks I know report similarly. I intend to get through the USA as quickly as I possibly can and move on. Cheerful banana republics are FAR more hospitable than most places in the USA, thanks to the egocentric gestapo like tactics we (and a lot of my friends and neighbours) have encountered in America. Local bubba cops who believe that they are the "utlimate authority" when in reality they are too ignorant to even know that they are ignorant. I've been ORDERED to do stupid things by these anal orifices (like extinguish an anchor light while anchored so that I don't confuse people!!) once too often. Hence the reason for my post. It may be a futile effort but attempting to avoid the dickheads is my aim. Fat chance..too many of them. SO different to cruising in Canada. Gotta wonder where the "Land of the Free" idea came from...or where it went huh? And now the "patriot act". Nothing beats taking away freedom and calling it patriotic! ~laughing and if you argue, you're (gasp) unpatriotic. Man, they have the whole country by the balls. Now watch all the antics as Americans attempt to defend their fictious belief in their non-existing freedom. Folks, before you react foolishly, recognise a couple of things: 1) It's true and you know it. 2) It's YOUR country and YOUR government. Only YOU can do something about it. Bitching at me will have no impact on YOUR mess. It'll just make you feel vaguely better. So don't worry, this Canuck will race through your country so fast you won't even know (or care) that I was there. Suits me to a tee too. John wrote: Hi Jimmy, I am a canuck who had his sailboat in Seattle and took a trip in my dinghy up through the locks into Lake Union. I was accosted by two incredibly rude Harbour cops who hassled me big time over no registration numbers on my boat and the fact I was a foreigner didn't make any difference to them in the slightest. You can't go anywhere other that from your boat to shore by the shortest possible route in an unregistered dinghy. That was about 10 years ago and I haven't been back and have no plans to ever go again. That country is simply not worth the hassle between the border guards, coasties and harbour police. If you really want a treat.... go to San Diego and try anchoring. Harbour Nazi's decend on you in droves. Good luck going south but myself and many others won't ever go south again. Hope this helps. cheers John Jimmy wrote: Hi Folks, Up here in Canada (at least in Ontario) boats powered under 10hp are not required to be registered. This is the case with my 10 foot RIB and 9.9 outboard motor, which I use as a tender when sailing my big boat. No name on the dinghy, no registration numbers. In a trip through the eastern USA to Florida, am I likely to encounter problems with local police or coat guard because the dinghy is unregistered, unlicensed, etc.? Anyone experience problems with the local authorities? Warning and tips appreciated. Jimmy |
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In North Carolina we have to register any dingy if it has ANY size motor on
it even if its used for a tender. That info came from the Division of Marine Fisheries in Morehead City where I registered ours. Phil "Jimmy" wrote in message . .. Hi Folks, Up here in Canada (at least in Ontario) boats powered under 10hp are not required to be registered. This is the case with my 10 foot RIB and 9.9 outboard motor, which I use as a tender when sailing my big boat. No name on the dinghy, no registration numbers. In a trip through the eastern USA to Florida, am I likely to encounter problems with local police or coat guard because the dinghy is unregistered, unlicensed, etc.? Anyone experience problems with the local authorities? Warning and tips appreciated. Jimmy |
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On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 04:35:00 GMT, Chuck Bollinger
wrote (with possible editing): John I've got to reply to a few points, which I hope you'll accept in the spirit offered. ....snip Nice post, Chuck. I agree completely. You didn't mention the Patriot Act. There, I have to agree with Jimmy completely - it's hard to imagine taking away citizen's rights and calling it patriotic. Frankly, I consider John Ashcroft to be the most dangerous American since McCarthy. Jimmy, just know that many of us firmly disagree with Ashcroft, the Patriot Act, DMCA, UCITMA, and a host of other atrocities and we're trying to change them through the electoral process. That said, I should note that Canada has its share of idiots as well. I live on the border and have seen and dealt with my share, including filing charges against one particularly egregious border Nazi. -- Larry |
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"Phil" wrote: In North Carolina we have to register any dingy if it has ANY size motor on it even if its used for a tender. That info came from the Division of Marine Fisheries in Morehead City where I registered ours. We register our dinghys too, but the fee is not great. We also register the big boat with the state (Maryland in this case), but we don't have to put the numbers on the bow because it is documented. I'm not really sure what they do about foreign boats and their dinghys. I'm pretty sure that most states allow passage through the state of 30-90 days (depending on the state) without requiring that one change ones' registration. "Jimmy" wrote in message ... Hi Folks, Up here in Canada (at least in Ontario) boats powered under 10hp are not required to be registered. This is the case with my 10 foot RIB and 9.9 outboard motor, which I use as a tender when sailing my big boat. No name on the dinghy, no registration numbers. In a trip through the eastern USA to Florida, am I likely to encounter problems with local police or coat guard because the dinghy is unregistered, unlicensed, etc.? Anyone experience problems with the local authorities? We talked to a couple in the Bahamas who were from Canada. They made the mistake of trucking their boat from Canada to Florida and putting it into the water in Florida. They failed to get a cruising permit in the US which didn't cause them any trouble until they went to the CG in Key West and told them they were checking out to go to Cuba (wrong answer). Since they hadn't ever checked in and since the CG is a bit hyper about Cuba, they got into a lot of trouble. Florida water cops are particularly stringent about the dinghys having all the correct equipment in them. That means a life vest for each person in the boat, appropriate lights after dark, a sound producing device, distress signal, and we also carry a bailer and an anchor and although it is not technically required a fire extinguisher when we have an engine on the dink. Warning and tips appreciated. Jimmy grandma Rosalie S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD CSY 44 WO #156 http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id2.html |
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McCarthy....?????
ummmmmmm ..... McCarthy was completely VINDICATED during the Clinton Administration by the Russian govt. disclosure of the "Venona Papers" which flatly documented that McCarthy was wrong ONLY in the fact that the Soviet penetration into the heart of the US govt. was 7 times larger in numbers than even McCarthy was after. McCarthy's chief source/witness, Whittaker Chambers, the center piece of the 'all the hububb' was awarded the highest award given to non-military personnel. Dont confuse McCarthy with the bipartisan House of Unamerican Activities Committee (HUAC) - freaks from BOTH parties ... whose retired members are now apparently posting political trolls on rec.boats.cruising, etc. |
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Hey, now don't go calling McCarthy bad things... he was a true patriot,
exposing known spies in Washington. Read Treason by Ann Coulter for the real story. "L. M. Rappaport" wrote in message ... On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 04:35:00 GMT, Chuck Bollinger wrote (with possible editing): John I've got to reply to a few points, which I hope you'll accept in the spirit offered. ...snip Nice post, Chuck. I agree completely. You didn't mention the Patriot Act. There, I have to agree with Jimmy completely - it's hard to imagine taking away citizen's rights and calling it patriotic. Frankly, I consider John Ashcroft to be the most dangerous American since McCarthy. Jimmy, just know that many of us firmly disagree with Ashcroft, the Patriot Act, DMCA, UCITMA, and a host of other atrocities and we're trying to change them through the electoral process. That said, I should note that Canada has its share of idiots as well. I live on the border and have seen and dealt with my share, including filing charges against one particularly egregious border Nazi. -- Larry |
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On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 20:28:09 GMT, WaIIy
wrote (with possible editing): On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:19:14 GMT, L. M. Rappaport wrote: You didn't mention the Patriot Act. Which you didn't read and have no real comprehension of. Really? You can read my mind now, can you? Well, the bill is around 350 pages, and I'm not an attorney, but since you've stated that I don't understand it, perhaps you can explain to my simple mind how justice is served by: 1. FBI and CIA can now wiretap telephones and data lines without court oversight? Further, the entire concept of "probable cause" has been eliminated from FBI/CIA criteria, has it not? 2. ISP's now required to hand over client's information including financial information, length of online sessions, temporarily assigned IP addresses, et al. Sounds a lot like it was written by George Orwell to me. 3. New broad definitions of terrorism which allow US foreign intelligence agencies such as CIA/USIA/DIA to spy on citizens - these were changes to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, one of the 15 laws changed by the Patriot Act. Somehow that's good, right? etc. I suppose I also have no comprehension of the Constitution, because all that Federalist Papers stuff was just jingoist propaganda by a bunch of n'er-do-well spies wanting to separate from England. Well, the entire text is at http://www.politechbot.com/docs/usa....al.102401.html among other places, but, of course, I couldn't have read it... -- Larry Email to rapp at lmr dot com |
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Thanks for the link. One of the first things that jumped out at me was
this... ____________________ "(3) The concept of individual responsibility for wrongdoing is sacrosanct in American society, and applies equally to all religious, racial, and ethnic groups." __________ Oh give me a break... "individual responsibility" hahahaha! Now back to reading the rest of it... "L. M. Rappaport" wrote in message ... On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 20:28:09 GMT, WaIIy wrote (with possible editing): On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:19:14 GMT, L. M. Rappaport wrote: You didn't mention the Patriot Act. Which you didn't read and have no real comprehension of. Really? You can read my mind now, can you? Well, the bill is around 350 pages, and I'm not an attorney, but since you've stated that I don't understand it, perhaps you can explain to my simple mind how justice is served by: 1. FBI and CIA can now wiretap telephones and data lines without court oversight? Further, the entire concept of "probable cause" has been eliminated from FBI/CIA criteria, has it not? 2. ISP's now required to hand over client's information including financial information, length of online sessions, temporarily assigned IP addresses, et al. Sounds a lot like it was written by George Orwell to me. 3. New broad definitions of terrorism which allow US foreign intelligence agencies such as CIA/USIA/DIA to spy on citizens - these were changes to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, one of the 15 laws changed by the Patriot Act. Somehow that's good, right? etc. I suppose I also have no comprehension of the Constitution, because all that Federalist Papers stuff was just jingoist propaganda by a bunch of n'er-do-well spies wanting to separate from England. Well, the entire text is at http://www.politechbot.com/docs/usa....al.102401.html among other places, but, of course, I couldn't have read it... -- Larry Email to rapp at lmr dot com |
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From: "Keith" Hey, now don't go calling McCarthy bad things... he was a true patriot, exposing known spies in Washington. Read Treason by Ann Coulter for the real story. Yes, he kept the US free and safe from communist screen writers. And about all Ms. Coulter is good for is keeping the Young Republicans (both man and female) in mastabitory fantasies. Capt. Bill |
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Spoken like a true Democrat!
"LaBomba182" wrote in message ... Subject: Dinghy registration From: "Keith" Hey, now don't go calling McCarthy bad things... he was a true patriot, exposing known spies in Washington. Read Treason by Ann Coulter for the real story. Yes, he kept the US free and safe from communist screen writers. And about all Ms. Coulter is good for is keeping the Young Republicans (both man and female) in mastabitory fantasies. Capt. Bill |
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On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:19:50 -0500, "Keith"
wrote (with possible editing): Thanks for the link. One of the first things that jumped out at me was this... ____________________ "(3) The concept of individual responsibility for wrongdoing is sacrosanct in American society, and applies equally to all religious, racial, and ethnic groups." __________ Oh give me a break... "individual responsibility" hahahaha! Now back to reading the rest of it... Yes, individual responsibility - as in the "twinkie" defense. I'm just waiting for jury approval of "the devil made me do it"! Keep reading. There's a lot of material for one-liners in there! -- Larry Email to rapp at lmr dot com "L. M. Rappaport" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 20:28:09 GMT, WaIIy wrote (with possible editing): On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:19:14 GMT, L. M. Rappaport wrote: You didn't mention the Patriot Act. Which you didn't read and have no real comprehension of. Really? You can read my mind now, can you? Well, the bill is around 350 pages, and I'm not an attorney, but since you've stated that I don't understand it, perhaps you can explain to my simple mind how justice is served by: 1. FBI and CIA can now wiretap telephones and data lines without court oversight? Further, the entire concept of "probable cause" has been eliminated from FBI/CIA criteria, has it not? 2. ISP's now required to hand over client's information including financial information, length of online sessions, temporarily assigned IP addresses, et al. Sounds a lot like it was written by George Orwell to me. 3. New broad definitions of terrorism which allow US foreign intelligence agencies such as CIA/USIA/DIA to spy on citizens - these were changes to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, one of the 15 laws changed by the Patriot Act. Somehow that's good, right? etc. I suppose I also have no comprehension of the Constitution, because all that Federalist Papers stuff was just jingoist propaganda by a bunch of n'er-do-well spies wanting to separate from England. Well, the entire text is at http://www.politechbot.com/docs/usa....al.102401.html among other places, but, of course, I couldn't have read it... -- Larry Email to rapp at lmr dot com |
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On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 21:56:28 GMT, RichH wrote
(with possible editing): McCarthy....????? ummmmmmm ..... McCarthy was completely VINDICATED during the Clinton Administration by the Russian govt. disclosure of the "Venona Papers" which flatly documented that McCarthy was wrong ONLY in the fact that the Soviet penetration into the heart of the US govt. was 7 times larger in numbers than even McCarthy was after. McCarthy's chief source/witness, Whittaker Chambers, the center piece of the 'all the hububb' was awarded the highest award given to non-military personnel. Dont confuse McCarthy with the bipartisan House of Unamerican Activities Committee (HUAC) - freaks from BOTH parties ... whose retired members are now apparently posting political trolls on rec.boats.cruising, etc. Ok, I wasn't going to respond, but I can't keep my big mouth (fingers?) shut! McCarthy vindicated? Ok, and Roy Cohn was a choir boy. This country was founded on the cornerstone of free speech and personal liberty. If the system was somehow less viable than Communism, then Communism is what we'd have today and probably what we deserve. But that's not what happened. Communism as practiced in the Soviet Union fell apart. The Chinese have seen the writing on the wall and have adopted Capitalism as a way to develop their nation. (Yes, they're still a closed society with no respect for individual rights; I'm not defending them). Cuba is still an economic disaster, more so now that the prior Soviet Union is no longer supporting them. Communism doesn't work. Maybe some can argue that it should, but in very practical terms, it doesn't. That said, if someone wants to argue the point, it's his right and we really don't need to publicly excoriate someone for expressing his beliefs. No flame intended. I lived through the McCarthy era and HUAC as well. I won't question their motives, as perhaps I should, but the best I can say about them is that I think they were all, uhh, ill-advised. Now, to go register my dinghy. Here in NH, we have to register ANYTHING that floats and has a motor. Even my canoe with a little electric. -- Larry Email to rapp at lmr dot com |
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From: "Keith" Spoken like a true Democrat! You're wrong. But I will still accept the compliment. Capt. Bill |
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Canadians: if you have any trouble exporting your money to the US
perhaps I can help. Just send it all to me and .... (c: Seriously guys, enough with the political wrangling. 1984's come and gone and newspeak is in. "Freedom to" do what you want now means submitting to Nazi-like extremes in order to have "freedom from" fear and having half your earnings confiscated so others can have "freedom from" want. Get used to it. Escape by going cruising. Become too insignificant to notice. Just a few more years and ... |
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From: http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-m/vdoc/faq.htm#23 IS THE VESSEL TENDER DOCUMENTED? Documentation of your vessel does not cover the vessel's tender or dinghy. These craft fall within the jurisdiction of the motorboat numbering laws of the state of principal use. Please contact your state agency that handles the registration or numbering of motorboats for further information John In the US, if your boat is USCG documented and the dinghy engine is 10 HP or less, you can put your documentation number plus "-1", ie 123456-1. You can only use the dinghy as a "tender", joy riding is out. I did that for a couple years with no problems, even doing a bit of joy riding. This in LA, MS, AL and FL. Last year I state registered the dinghy becase I started throwing it in the pickup and exploring some lakes and bayous. Rick On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:04:55 -0700, "jps" wrote: I bought a boat from a Canadian owner who used the same vessel ID on his dink as was assigned to the mother ship. Don't know if it's kosher but worked for him. In a trip through the eastern USA to Florida, am I likely to encounter problems with local police or coat guard because the dinghy is unregistered, unlicensed, etc.? Anyone experience problems with the local authorities? Warning and tips appreciated. Jimmy S/V Final Step http://www.morelr.com/coronado/ |
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