Need for bottom paint??
 

Next week, our 2002 Regal 2465 will arrive from Florida to our
boathouse on the Columbia River. The boat has 140 hours on it. It has
never been stored in the water....always lifted out. Here are some
pictures of it.

http://tinyurl.com/ko6uf

The local marina, where it will be delivered to, is trying earnestly to
talk me into getting barrier applied along with bottom paint....roughly
$1400. Horror stories along with years of experience is part of their
speal.

I spoke to Regal, first to customer service, then to a local dealer in
Portland. Both said neither step was necessary. Both claimed that
Regal makes an exceptional hull and that all is required is cleaning
once a year.

I would add that the Columbia never gets above 70 degrees and the
boathouse has some current.

Should I or shouldn' I?

-Greg Schoenberg
Kalama, Wa.

Ps. My wife flew to Florida and personally inspected it, along with a
surveyor. Boat was valued at 35k. We got it for 28k. Shipping,
shrink wrap, marina fees are $4500. The boat will be renamed
to....."She Said Yes."

Need for bottom paint??
 

"dene" wrote in news:1162511806.026464.61830
@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

The local marina, where it will be delivered to, is trying earnestly to
talk me into getting barrier applied along with bottom paint....roughly
$1400. Horror stories along with years of experience is part of their
speal.



I looked at your part of the Columbia and I see it's tidal, if I'm right.
What do the dock posts look like at the marina? I can't find the marina
from the satellite photos on Google Earth. Got an address to search for?

If "stuff" is growing on the dock supports at the marina, I'd agree with
the marina you really need that coating BEFORE leaving it in the water.
Imagine that growth on the dock being attached to the hull, all those
barnacles, mussels and other alien spacecraft. Now, imagine how much money
it's going to take to clean it off back to smooth gelcoat! $1400 sounds a
little steep, but, hey, it's the Northwest where the MONEY is.
Hmm...wonder how much it would cost to get the bottom job done in FLORIDA
before it left?! Might save some money, but probably not this time of year
with the Yankees migrating South. It is worth a check, though.

Look at the dock pilings at the marina. There's your answer. Wishing it
won't happen to your boat is just that...wishing....

Larry
--
Halloween candy left over.....
Is there a downside?

Need for bottom paint??
 

Larry wrote:
"dene" wrote in news:1162511806.026464.61830
@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

The local marina, where it will be delivered to, is trying earnestly to
talk me into getting barrier applied along with bottom paint....roughly
$1400. Horror stories along with years of experience is part of their
speal.



I looked at your part of the Columbia and I see it's tidal, if I'm right.
What do the dock posts look like at the marina? I can't find the marina
from the satellite photos on Google Earth. Got an address to search for?

Hayden Island in Portland, Oregon. Street would be Tomahawk Isle. Rd.
It's tidal but about 2 feet differential. Ocean is 80 river miles
away.

If "stuff" is growing on the dock supports at the marina, I'd agree with
the marina you really need that coating BEFORE leaving it in the water.
Imagine that growth on the dock being attached to the hull, all those
barnacles, mussels and other alien spacecraft. Now, imagine how much money
it's going to take to clean it off back to smooth gelcoat! $1400 sounds a
little steep, but, hey, it's the Northwest where the MONEY is.
Hmm...wonder how much it would cost to get the bottom job done in FLORIDA
before it left?! Might save some money, but probably not this time of year
with the Yankees migrating South. It is worth a check, though.

Look at the dock pilings at the marina. There's your answer. Wishing it
won't happen to your boat is just that...wishing....

There is plant stuff that grows, but to my knowledge, no mussels,
snails, stuff like that.

$1400 is steep but apparently there is a lot of labor involved with
prep., having to sand the bottom.

-Greg

Need for bottom paint??
 

You should only need barrier if you have exposed bare metal. If the paint is in
reasonable shape, you can just scrape it down with a wet abrasive pad to remove
surface oxidation. Paint should be around $100. Why not do it yourself?

Sherwin D.

dene wrote:

Larry wrote:
"dene" wrote in news:1162511806.026464.61830
@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

The local marina, where it will be delivered to, is trying earnestly to
talk me into getting barrier applied along with bottom paint....roughly
$1400. Horror stories along with years of experience is part of their
speal.



I looked at your part of the Columbia and I see it's tidal, if I'm right.
What do the dock posts look like at the marina? I can't find the marina
from the satellite photos on Google Earth. Got an address to search for?

Hayden Island in Portland, Oregon. Street would be Tomahawk Isle. Rd.
It's tidal but about 2 feet differential. Ocean is 80 river miles
away.

If "stuff" is growing on the dock supports at the marina, I'd agree with
the marina you really need that coating BEFORE leaving it in the water.
Imagine that growth on the dock being attached to the hull, all those
barnacles, mussels and other alien spacecraft. Now, imagine how much money
it's going to take to clean it off back to smooth gelcoat! $1400 sounds a
little steep, but, hey, it's the Northwest where the MONEY is.
Hmm...wonder how much it would cost to get the bottom job done in FLORIDA
before it left?! Might save some money, but probably not this time of year
with the Yankees migrating South. It is worth a check, though.

Look at the dock pilings at the marina. There's your answer. Wishing it
won't happen to your boat is just that...wishing....

There is plant stuff that grows, but to my knowledge, no mussels,
snails, stuff like that.

$1400 is steep but apparently there is a lot of labor involved with
prep., having to sand the bottom.

-Greg

Need for bottom paint??
 

Price sounds very high to me. Forget barrier coat and do it yourself,
one layer of bottom paint thin. Sand each year and repeat fresh toxic
coat.



Good luck,


Robert
35s5
NY

Need for bottom paint??
 

Paint for $100.00? Where at and what kind? My paint for bottom antifouling
is $250.00 a gallon and it takes 2 gallons to apply 2 coats.
"sherwindu" wrote in message
...
You should only need barrier if you have exposed bare metal. If the paint
is in
reasonable shape, you can just scrape it down with a wet abrasive pad to
remove
surface oxidation. Paint should be around $100. Why not do it yourself?

Sherwin D.

dene wrote:

Larry wrote:
"dene" wrote in news:1162511806.026464.61830
@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

The local marina, where it will be delivered to, is trying earnestly
to
talk me into getting barrier applied along with bottom
paint....roughly
$1400. Horror stories along with years of experience is part of
their
speal.



I looked at your part of the Columbia and I see it's tidal, if I'm
right.
What do the dock posts look like at the marina? I can't find the
marina
from the satellite photos on Google Earth. Got an address to search
for?

Hayden Island in Portland, Oregon. Street would be Tomahawk Isle. Rd.
It's tidal but about 2 feet differential. Ocean is 80 river miles
away.

If "stuff" is growing on the dock supports at the marina, I'd agree
with
the marina you really need that coating BEFORE leaving it in the water.
Imagine that growth on the dock being attached to the hull, all those
barnacles, mussels and other alien spacecraft. Now, imagine how much
money
it's going to take to clean it off back to smooth gelcoat! $1400
sounds a
little steep, but, hey, it's the Northwest where the MONEY is.
Hmm...wonder how much it would cost to get the bottom job done in
FLORIDA
before it left?! Might save some money, but probably not this time of
year
with the Yankees migrating South. It is worth a check, though.

Look at the dock pilings at the marina. There's your answer. Wishing
it
won't happen to your boat is just that...wishing....

There is plant stuff that grows, but to my knowledge, no mussels,
snails, stuff like that.

$1400 is steep but apparently there is a lot of labor involved with
prep., having to sand the bottom.

-Greg

Need for bottom paint??
 

Paint for $100.00? Where at and what kind? My paint for bottom
antifouling
is $250.00 a gallon and it takes 2 gallons to apply 2 coats.


Sounds like a lot. Trinidad CR can be found for 170.00 a gallon and far
less if your club orders together. And there are plenty of cheaper, but
still good bottom paints.


Robert
35s5
NY

Need for bottom paint??
 

Dene,
Talk to some of the other boat owners around there and you'll get tons of
advice. Some good, some not so good, but at least they'll know whether you
need to bottom paint your boat.
The barrier coat would be to avoid osmosis, but if the dealer says it's not
necessary......there will be plenty of other things to spend the money on!
MMC
"dene" wrote in message
ps.com...
Next week, our 2002 Regal 2465 will arrive from Florida to our
boathouse on the Columbia River. The boat has 140 hours on it. It has
never been stored in the water....always lifted out. Here are some
pictures of it.

http://tinyurl.com/ko6uf

The local marina, where it will be delivered to, is trying earnestly to
talk me into getting barrier applied along with bottom paint....roughly
$1400. Horror stories along with years of experience is part of their
speal.

I spoke to Regal, first to customer service, then to a local dealer in
Portland. Both said neither step was necessary. Both claimed that
Regal makes an exceptional hull and that all is required is cleaning
once a year.

I would add that the Columbia never gets above 70 degrees and the
boathouse has some current.

Should I or shouldn' I?

-Greg Schoenberg
Kalama, Wa.

Ps. My wife flew to Florida and personally inspected it, along with a
surveyor. Boat was valued at 35k. We got it for 28k. Shipping,
shrink wrap, marina fees are $4500. The boat will be renamed
to....."She Said Yes."

Need for bottom paint??
 

"dene" wrote in message
ps.com...
Next week, our 2002 Regal 2465 will arrive from Florida to our
boathouse on the Columbia River. The boat has 140 hours on it. It has
never been stored in the water....always lifted out. Here are some
pictures of it.

http://tinyurl.com/ko6uf

The local marina, where it will be delivered to, is trying earnestly to
talk me into getting barrier applied along with bottom paint....roughly
$1400. Horror stories along with years of experience is part of their
speal.

I spoke to Regal, first to customer service, then to a local dealer in
Portland. Both said neither step was necessary. Both claimed that
Regal makes an exceptional hull and that all is required is cleaning
once a year.

I would add that the Columbia never gets above 70 degrees and the
boathouse has some current.

Should I or shouldn' I?

-Greg Schoenberg
Kalama, Wa.

Ps. My wife flew to Florida and personally inspected it, along with a
surveyor. Boat was valued at 35k. We got it for 28k. Shipping,
shrink wrap, marina fees are $4500. The boat will be renamed
to....."She Said Yes."


Regardless of how well-built the hull is, you may get flora and fauna
attached to your bottom if you don't protect it from growth. If you're
staying in fresh water, Epoxycop works very well for me in Green Bay/Lake
Michigan, and runs about $85 per gallon. That should give you at least two
good coats plus an extra coat at the waterline/chine or other high-wear
areas. I put two coats on two seasons ago and probably won't do more than
touch-up a couple of spots before launching again in the spring.

Need for bottom paint??
 

Maybe if you stop shopping at the 'boat boutique' you may find brands like
Interlux
Bottomkote for $125/gal. Just check the web for sites like boatersland.com for
items like Interlux ACT at $117.49/gallon.

My understanding of barrier coat is that it should only be applied to bare
fiberglass.
I have only used it it isolate my iron keel from copper and other metals in the
bottom
paint to prevent electrolysis. These days they seem to be using it to protect
new
fiberglass hulls from blistering.

Sherwin D.

Chi Chi wrote:

Paint for $100.00? Where at and what kind? My paint for bottom antifouling
is $250.00 a gallon and it takes 2 gallons to apply 2 coats.
"sherwindu" wrote in message
...
You should only need barrier if you have exposed bare metal. If the paint
is in
reasonable shape, you can just scrape it down with a wet abrasive pad to
remove
surface oxidation. Paint should be around $100. Why not do it yourself?

Sherwin D.

dene wrote:

Larry wrote:
"dene" wrote in news:1162511806.026464.61830
@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

The local marina, where it will be delivered to, is trying earnestly
to
talk me into getting barrier applied along with bottom
paint....roughly
$1400. Horror stories along with years of experience is part of
their
speal.



I looked at your part of the Columbia and I see it's tidal, if I'm
right.
What do the dock posts look like at the marina? I can't find the
marina
from the satellite photos on Google Earth. Got an address to search
for?

Hayden Island in Portland, Oregon. Street would be Tomahawk Isle. Rd.
It's tidal but about 2 feet differential. Ocean is 80 river miles
away.

If "stuff" is growing on the dock supports at the marina, I'd agree
with
the marina you really need that coating BEFORE leaving it in the water.
Imagine that growth on the dock being attached to the hull, all those
barnacles, mussels and other alien spacecraft. Now, imagine how much
money
it's going to take to clean it off back to smooth gelcoat! $1400
sounds a
little steep, but, hey, it's the Northwest where the MONEY is.
Hmm...wonder how much it would cost to get the bottom job done in
FLORIDA
before it left?! Might save some money, but probably not this time of
year
with the Yankees migrating South. It is worth a check, though.

Look at the dock pilings at the marina. There's your answer. Wishing
it
won't happen to your boat is just that...wishing....

There is plant stuff that grows, but to my knowledge, no mussels,
snails, stuff like that.

$1400 is steep but apparently there is a lot of labor involved with
prep., having to sand the bottom.

-Greg

Need for bottom paint??
 

KLC Lewis wrote:

Regardless of how well-built the hull is, you may get flora and fauna
attached to your bottom if you don't protect it from growth. If you're
staying in fresh water, Epoxycop works very well for me in Green Bay/Lake
Michigan, and runs about $85 per gallon. That should give you at least two
good coats plus an extra coat at the waterline/chine or other high-wear
areas. I put two coats on two seasons ago and probably won't do more than
touch-up a couple of spots before launching again in the spring.

I'm certain some stuff will grow, perhaps minimally, since the
boathouse is protected from the sun. To put BP on it, the marina will
have to dewax and sand it. What is the difference between having them
do that now vs. later, when there may be growth attached to it. Surely
no flora/fauna can withstand that. Ideally, I'm hoping that it can be
easily scrubbed off once a year and go with BP or Barrier coating
altogether.

Bottom line....I'd like to make that decision in six month, when
hopefully I'll be a little richer. :

-Greg

Need for bottom paint??
 

"dene" wrote in message
ups.com...

KLC Lewis wrote:

Regardless of how well-built the hull is, you may get flora and fauna
attached to your bottom if you don't protect it from growth. If you're
staying in fresh water, Epoxycop works very well for me in Green Bay/Lake
Michigan, and runs about $85 per gallon. That should give you at least
two
good coats plus an extra coat at the waterline/chine or other high-wear
areas. I put two coats on two seasons ago and probably won't do more than
touch-up a couple of spots before launching again in the spring.

I'm certain some stuff will grow, perhaps minimally, since the
boathouse is protected from the sun. To put BP on it, the marina will
have to dewax and sand it. What is the difference between having them
do that now vs. later, when there may be growth attached to it. Surely
no flora/fauna can withstand that. Ideally, I'm hoping that it can be
easily scrubbed off once a year and go with BP or Barrier coating
altogether.

Bottom line....I'd like to make that decision in six month, when
hopefully I'll be a little richer. :

-Greg


For six months on an already waxy bottom, in fresh water, you may be fine. I
would talk with other boaters in your destination marina and see how they
fair going "bare bottom." The actual boat owners, not the marina personnel.

Need for bottom paint??
 

In article om,
"dene" wrote:

The local marina, where it will be delivered to, is trying earnestly to
talk me into getting barrier applied along with bottom paint....roughly
$1400. Horror stories along with years of experience is part of their
speal.

I spoke to Regal, first to customer service, then to a local dealer in
Portland. Both said neither step was necessary. Both claimed that
Regal makes an exceptional hull and that all is required is cleaning
once a year.


I'd apply the bottom paint, whatever most people are satisfied with in
your area -- Good paints for our area might not be so good for yours.
"Stuff" grows on a hull in very chilly water, and will slow you down.

I'd check Regal's blister warrantee and layup. If they're using
vinylester, you might already have a barrier coat on. If you're going to
do it, though, do it before you put bottom paint on.

We put a barrier coat on Xan when we got her, a waste of money in our
case, as most boats of our age never blistered & as far as we know,
never will.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Need for bottom paint??
 

Jere Lull wrote:
In article om,
"dene" wrote:

The local marina, where it will be delivered to, is trying earnestly to
talk me into getting barrier applied along with bottom paint....roughly
$1400. Horror stories along with years of experience is part of their
speal.

I spoke to Regal, first to customer service, then to a local dealer in
Portland. Both said neither step was necessary. Both claimed that
Regal makes an exceptional hull and that all is required is cleaning
once a year.


I'd apply the bottom paint, whatever most people are satisfied with in
your area -- Good paints for our area might not be so good for yours.
"Stuff" grows on a hull in very chilly water, and will slow you down.

I'd check Regal's blister warrantee and layup. If they're using
vinylester, you might already have a barrier coat on. If you're going to
do it, though, do it before you put bottom paint on.

We put a barrier coat on Xan when we got her, a waste of money in our
case, as most boats of our age never blistered & as far as we know,
never will.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Barrier coating is normally applied to a hull bottom when the boat has
developed blisters, after the blisters have been repaired. Blisters are
most common on older boats, not that common on newer boats. You really
do not need a barrier coat on your boat. I would ask the yard how much
to prime (if the bottom has never been painted a primer is reccomended,
instead of priming you can lightly sand the bottom and then paint it)
and paint the bottom only. If their's not that much differance, the
barrier coating isn't a bad idea. If their's a big differance, just
have it primed and painted.

John

Need for bottom paint??
 

On 4 Nov 2006 08:38:02 -0800, in message
. com
"dene" wrote:

I'm certain some stuff will grow, perhaps minimally, since the
boathouse is protected from the sun. To put BP on it, the marina will
have to dewax and sand it. What is the difference between having them
do that now vs. later, when there may be growth attached to it. Surely
no flora/fauna can withstand that. Ideally, I'm hoping that it can be
easily scrubbed off once a year and go with BP or Barrier coating
altogether.

Bottom line....I'd like to make that decision in six month, when
hopefully I'll be a little richer. :

If the boat is spending most of its time in cool, mostly fresh water,
you might consider a single coat of VC 17 over the gelcoat. It
produces a very thin coating that will be easy to sand off later if
you want to do something else. It doesn't provide adequate protection
for continuous sal****er immersion.

Ryk