Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

My family and I are currently sailors with a Catalina 36. We have
decided to migrate to power. We have looked at Mainships (Pilot 34),
Sea Ray, Meridian, and Silverton. We seem to be migrating to the
Silverton 38 Sport Bridge. Does anyone have any feedback on any/all of
these?

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

On 24 Sep 2006 19:06:06 -0700, "TwinSailor"
wrote:

My family and I are currently sailors with a Catalina 36. We have
decided to migrate to power. We have looked at Mainships (Pilot 34),
Sea Ray, Meridian, and Silverton. We seem to be migrating to the
Silverton 38 Sport Bridge. Does anyone have any feedback on any/all of
these?

What are your priorities? Speed, comfort, economy, bridge clearance,
etc. Meridian is really Bayliner as I recall. None of the boats you
mention are really top quality in terms of durability or offshore sea
worthiness. Whether that is important or not depends on where and how
you boat.

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

Probably 50% of the time at dock -:( ... About 25% protected water runs
of 10-15 nautical miles to overnight anchor or entertaining. About
10%-15% includes a 2-3wk coastal cruise in NJ and NY waters, worst
being a 110nm run from Manasquan to Block Island.

The balance is likely to become fishing. Note this usage pattern has
been a function of the time limitations of a sailboat. No real
interest in offshore fishing but very interested in having a reliable
vessel for the safety factor in the case one gets caught unexpectedly
in a blow.


Wayne.B wrote:
On 24 Sep 2006 19:06:06 -0700, "TwinSailor"
wrote:

My family and I are currently sailors with a Catalina 36. We have
decided to migrate to power. We have looked at Mainships (Pilot 34),
Sea Ray, Meridian, and Silverton. We seem to be migrating to the
Silverton 38 Sport Bridge. Does anyone have any feedback on any/all of
these?

What are your priorities? Speed, comfort, economy, bridge clearance,
etc. Meridian is really Bayliner as I recall. None of the boats you
mention are really top quality in terms of durability or offshore sea
worthiness. Whether that is important or not depends on where and how
you boat.

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

On 25 Sep 2006 04:38:09 -0700, "TwinSailor"
wrote:

About
10%-15% includes a 2-3wk coastal cruise in NJ and NY waters, worst
being a 110nm run from Manasquan to Block Island.

Any of the boats you mention are OK for protected water, coastal
cruising assuming you run inside on Long Island Sound. If you go
outside you will need a good weather window and some tolerance for
rolling around.

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

"TwinSailor" wrote in news:1159149965.962444.320360
@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:

Does anyone have any feedback on any/all of
these?


Let's do a little simulation, first, before you jump ship......

Every time you go sailing in the Catalina, start a stopwatch as you leave
the dock to time how long you actually move the boat....not anchor or
drift, which we'll let you do for free. If you stop for lunch, stop the
stopwatch until you're underway, again.

When you get back to your slip, read the time you were actually running.
Multiply the running time in hours and tenths by $70. Reach into your
wallet and hand the amount to the first dockhand you come to, simulating
him topping off your tanks every time you come back with the big pig.
Tell the dockhand you're simulating buying a big power boat and you need
to "feel" the pain of owning it before you buy, mostly to keep him from
calling in the cops and crazywagon guys. I don't think $70 and hour will
feed the pig these days, including maintenance, but the power boat will
go faster than the Catalina once you get out of the ever-increasing-in-
size no-wake zones, when, of course, power boat operating expenses shoot
up really fast as RPMs increase. $70 should be somewhere around
"parity" with the Catalina's operating expenses, just a guess on my part.

As you walk away from the smiling dockhand, look back at that pile of
money in his hand that was in your wallet and ask yourself, "Was there
REALLY that much more joy in owning the powerboat, TODAY?"

Repeat this exercise, as needed, until this insane notion clears itself
from your head during a time when the planet will soon be out of oil and
filling the powerboat will go for $25/gallon. After you've gotten over
it, give us all a call and we'll drop by your dock with the oyster roast
or crab boil and booze to celebrate your COMING TO YOUR SENSES!.....(c;

Buy the Catalina that new 150 Genoa it needs to replace the one with the
3 rips in it. A $1000 sail now looks really CHEAP after all you gave to
the dockhands over the last month.

Oh, don't be too surprised when you come back to your slip and 8 college
boys are standing there, smiling, waiting to grab your lines and polish
off your gelcoat from stem to stern....much to the astonishment of the
other yachties on your dock who can't even get them to answer the radio
while you're heading towards your slip...(c; This is a side effect of
this simulator, but it will only last until you come to your senses.





--
There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

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TwinSailor wrote:
My family and I are currently sailors with a Catalina 36. We have
decided to migrate to power. We have looked at Mainships (Pilot 34),
Sea Ray, Meridian, and Silverton. We seem to be migrating to the
Silverton 38 Sport Bridge. Does anyone have any feedback on any/all of
these?

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

Every time you go sailing in the Catalina, start a stopwatch

If all you want is the journey that's fine. But if you actually want to get
somewhere and not have it take all morning/afternoon/days at a time, then
there's little use for sailing. Sure, you're not spending it on fuel, but
for many people their time's valuable and they don't want to spend it
futzing with lines and sails.

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"Bill Kearney" wrote in
t:

Every time you go sailing in the Catalina, start a stopwatch

If all you want is the journey that's fine. But if you actually want
to get somewhere and not have it take all morning/afternoon/days at a
time, then there's little use for sailing. Sure, you're not spending
it on fuel, but for many people their time's valuable and they don't
want to spend it futzing with lines and sails.



If you "want to get somewhere and not have to take all
morning/afternoon/days at a time", you need a PLANE, or maybe a
motorhome, not a boat. All boats under 100 gallons per hour are slower
than hell!

Hilton Hotels are cheaper than driving a power boat to Y, paying to dock
it or living like a hermit, then driving it back at $4.20/gallon. The
food's better and so isn't the service....not to mention not having to
walk down the dock or dingy ashore in the pouring rain.....

I thought boating was all about the journey (well, and the sea stories).
God I hate to go sailing with anyone aboard who has to "be somewhere" at
a certain day. Ruins the whole trip.

We got becalmed 90 miles S of Charleston. There wasn't enough air moving
to even make a hanky move. Cap'n Geoffrey asks me what to do. "I'm
going to take a nap before dinner.", was my response. "What about the
wind?", he continued. "Have the watch wake me if it ever comes back."
The ocean was as smooth as glass, just west of the western edge of the
Stream we had been sailing all night in with a nice breeze over 14 knots
SOG. "It'll come back, some day. I'll be rested up by then. I have to
be back by next month to pay the bills.", I said to the group as I
unrolled my sleeping sack in the v-berth. 6 hours later, the adrenaline
addicts got too antsy and Cap'n Geoffrey started the engine. That was
the end of the Gulfstreamer Race to Charleston for Lionheart. Pity, with
our huge handicap on the "Slow Boat to Nowhere", we might have come in
very high up the cruiser class....

We had plenty of food and booze aboard. Man what a beautiful calm day of
rest gone to waste. Americans are in too much of a damned hurry!

--
There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.

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Have no use for a blow boat. Power is the way to go. I go when I want, not
when the wind decides to blow enough to move the boat. I can get where I am
going, do what I want and be back before the blow boaters would even get
there. I do it in air-conditioned comfort, with plenty of power to run the
flat screen TV's and DVD players and the two reefers..got to keep the
beverages cold..g.

For you, laying around is fine, for me it is getting where I want to go,
doing what I want to do and get back.

Oh, btw...35 mph is not too slow for me, and I use about 45 gals per hour to
do it. So it can be done on less than 100 gph.


"Larry" wrote in message
...



If you "want to get somewhere and not have to take all
morning/afternoon/days at a time", you need a PLANE, or maybe a
motorhome, not a boat. All boats under 100 gallons per hour are slower
than hell!

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

It's not about cost. It's about enjoying the time you have available.

God I hate to go sailing with anyone aboard who has to "be somewhere" at
a certain day. Ruins the whole trip.

Uh yeah, because YOU CAN'T BE SOMEWHERE with any sort of predictability.
Quite a lot of folks don't have the leisure of gambling with how much travel
time it'll take to go boating. I'm all for the idea of sailing, bravo to
those that like it, but it's quite obviously not the right choice for
everyone.

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

Bill Kearney wrote:
Quite a lot of folks don't have the leisure of gambling with how much travel
time it'll take to go boating.

Quite a lot of folks lead lives of quiet desperation.

Is there something wrong with having some patience, and some
awareness that the rest of the universe is hurrying along in
it's own way?


I'm all for the idea of sailing, bravo to
those that like it, but it's quite obviously not the right choice for
everyone.


True. Relatively few people have the intelligence to learn
how, much less the patience to give it a chance.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

Well, you all have hit just about every item on my pro and con list
which covers a full page for each pro and con.

I am still mourning the move from sailing. I grew up on power boats
and when I was old enough to buy my own boat it was a sailboat. If it
were up to me and time was unlimited, it would still be a sailboat.
But ...

Ironically, the wife and the daughter are having an awful time with
heeling. My son, well he wants to go fast. My son needs to learn the
finer things in life too but I struggle with watching the pain on my
daughter's face at the mere prospect of putting up the genoa.

As for the fuel, we spend about 50% of the time at the dock. We travel
to an anchorage about 10nm away to spend weekends. The winds never
work out so we motor or motor sail on most trips -:(. I wish I could
convince my crew of the fun of "just going sailing" but in 5 years it
hasn't worked. Nevertheless, I burn about 1-2 gallons of fuel each way
with the Sailboat and spend about 90 minutes enroute at 5-6 kts. While
the boats we are looking at can go as fast as 30 kts, I imagine most
transits to the anchorage will be at around 10-12 knots and we will
burn about 18 gallons of fuel each way. But we will pick up time at
anchorage and if I had to push it back, I could be home in 15 minutes
leaving me more time and peace at anchorage.

We do one long cruise a year (usually 300-400 nm roundtrip). While
fuel is not a consideration with the sailboat, the diesel is running
most of the time in transit. Interestingly enough, the wife has
indicated the fact that she would let the kids in the ocean on a power
boat but doesn't feel safe in a sailboat (too long to get to shore in
an emergency). Couple of heart attacks in the marina around us likely
spooked her a bit. Nevertheless, we have considered spending many more
nights on vacation at anchor or mooring rather than at dock and even if
not, we are planning the fuel for the trip into the budget.

My marina neighbor also has a Catalina 36, so the thought is to
continue to travel together (I need steerage therefore on cruises at
5-6kts) and enjoy the best of both worlds at each destination. We may
even find ourselves able to leave our families at anchor on the
powerboat and do a couple of hours of sailing together whilst keeping
the moms and kids happy.

I am struggling with the environmental aspects of the decision. While
not a tree-hugging environmentalist, it does feel good to know that
when you put up the sails you aren't burning fossil fuels. But then I
get in my car and drive home ...

To end this post with a bit of humor, you can picture the conversation
when I said to my wife "But what about the Jimmy Buffet lifestyle, it
just doesn't jive with a powerboat". Her response: "You don't have it
now, you never had it and you never will. Build a bridge and get over
it." I'm supposed to be the practical one -:).

Thank you all for your commentary.

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

Have you considered a powercat? For instance, the PDQ MV34 only uses
4 gal/hour at 17 knots, half that if you throttle way back. They were
offered with 75 and 100 hp engines, thinking the smaller would have
better mileage, but it turns out the larger are more efficient at
higher speed, so all are now shipped with the big engines.

http://www.pdqyachts.com/power/pdq34.htm


TwinSailor wrote:
Well, you all have hit just about every item on my pro and con list
which covers a full page for each pro and con.

I am still mourning the move from sailing. I grew up on power boats
and when I was old enough to buy my own boat it was a sailboat. If it
were up to me and time was unlimited, it would still be a sailboat.
But ...

Ironically, the wife and the daughter are having an awful time with
heeling. My son, well he wants to go fast. My son needs to learn the
finer things in life too but I struggle with watching the pain on my
daughter's face at the mere prospect of putting up the genoa.

As for the fuel, we spend about 50% of the time at the dock. We travel
to an anchorage about 10nm away to spend weekends. The winds never
work out so we motor or motor sail on most trips -:(. I wish I could
convince my crew of the fun of "just going sailing" but in 5 years it
hasn't worked. Nevertheless, I burn about 1-2 gallons of fuel each way
with the Sailboat and spend about 90 minutes enroute at 5-6 kts. While
the boats we are looking at can go as fast as 30 kts, I imagine most
transits to the anchorage will be at around 10-12 knots and we will
burn about 18 gallons of fuel each way. But we will pick up time at
anchorage and if I had to push it back, I could be home in 15 minutes
leaving me more time and peace at anchorage.

We do one long cruise a year (usually 300-400 nm roundtrip). While
fuel is not a consideration with the sailboat, the diesel is running
most of the time in transit. Interestingly enough, the wife has
indicated the fact that she would let the kids in the ocean on a power
boat but doesn't feel safe in a sailboat (too long to get to shore in
an emergency). Couple of heart attacks in the marina around us likely
spooked her a bit. Nevertheless, we have considered spending many more
nights on vacation at anchor or mooring rather than at dock and even if
not, we are planning the fuel for the trip into the budget.

My marina neighbor also has a Catalina 36, so the thought is to
continue to travel together (I need steerage therefore on cruises at
5-6kts) and enjoy the best of both worlds at each destination. We may
even find ourselves able to leave our families at anchor on the
powerboat and do a couple of hours of sailing together whilst keeping
the moms and kids happy.

I am struggling with the environmental aspects of the decision. While
not a tree-hugging environmentalist, it does feel good to know that
when you put up the sails you aren't burning fossil fuels. But then I
get in my car and drive home ...

To end this post with a bit of humor, you can picture the conversation
when I said to my wife "But what about the Jimmy Buffet lifestyle, it
just doesn't jive with a powerboat". Her response: "You don't have it
now, you never had it and you never will. Build a bridge and get over
it." I'm supposed to be the practical one -:).

Thank you all for your commentary.

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

TwinSailor wrote:
snip...

Ironically, the wife and the daughter are having an awful time with
heeling. My son, well he wants to go fast. My son needs to learn the
finer things in life too but I struggle with watching the pain on my
daughter's face at the mere prospect of putting up the genoa.
snip...

A lot of sailboats sail better flat anyways.
So if you have excessive heeling, reef in the main.

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Don White wrote in news:zdwSg.41032$9u.351489
@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:

A lot of sailboats sail better flat anyways.
So if you have excessive heeling, reef in the main.



Heeling is also caused by people in the boat trying to get it to
plane....same idea as this thread is about.....

I wonder if a nice $100,000 motorhome on a waterfront campsite towing a
speedy little runabout for the kids to ski from wouldn't be a better
solution. The rest of the year, at least, the motorhomes have a much
wider range of usage than either the sailboat or powerboat and can "get
there" at 70 knots, not 7....a factor of 10.

I'm not saying this to be a smartass. I know someone who went from a
Hatteras 56 with twin 8V92TAs to a 40' motorcoach costing 20% of what he
sold the Hat for. They enjoyed it so much in Florida, they traded it
back in and are having a custom-built diesel motorcoach of the quality
you'd find in a Hinckley yacht built from the ground up to their
specifications. This beast is as big as the Hat, but only has 2 decks,
no bilge.... It's a traveling Hilton Resort, er, ah, I don't THINK I saw
a pool in the plans...(c;

For those wanting to "get there"...in real style...this would be a much
better way to travel...and when you get there you're NOT STRANDED AT THE
DOCK.


--
There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Bill Kearney wrote:
Quite a lot of folks don't have the leisure of gambling with how much
travel
time it'll take to go boating.

Quite a lot of folks lead lives of quiet desperation.

True and their hard labors make a lot of things possible, for themselves and
others.

Is there something wrong with having some patience, and some
awareness that the rest of the universe is hurrying along in
it's own way?

No, of course not and I'm not saying that. More than some folks don't have,
can't make or otherwise can't arrange that sort of situation. Are you
saying they shouldn't go boating?

I'm all for the idea of sailing, bravo to
those that like it, but it's quite obviously not the right choice for
everyone.

True. Relatively few people have the intelligence to learn
how, much less the patience to give it a chance.

Willingness to engage in what you find enjoyable doesn't equate with
intelligence. Everyone has different needs/desires. Insulting them only
makes one look like an arrogant ass.

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

Quite a lot of folks lead lives of quiet desperation.


True and their hard labors make a lot of things possible, for themselves and
others.


Good point.


Is there something wrong with having some patience, and some
awareness that the rest of the universe is hurrying along in
it's own way?


No, of course not and I'm not saying that. More than some folks don't have,
can't make or otherwise can't arrange that sort of situation. Are you
saying they shouldn't go boating?


That depends on how they go boating. A lot of people enjoy
being the objects of attention, so they get very loud flashy
boats and operate in such a way that they interfere with
other people's enjoyment. Other people have short attention
spans and little tolerance for following procedure. Both of
these groups of people should be in a video game parlor, not
out on the water. We'd all be happier & safer.



I'm all for the idea of sailing, bravo to
those that like it, but it's quite obviously not the right choice for
everyone.

True. Relatively few people have the intelligence to learn
how, much less the patience to give it a chance.


Bill Kearney wrote:
Willingness to engage in what you find enjoyable doesn't equate with
intelligence.

Sure it does.

Which group has the higher IQ, on average: NASCAR fans or
chess players?

Of course, this doesn't prove that any individual chess
player is necessarily smarter (or better looking, or richer)
than any individual NASCAR fan.

Regards
Doug King

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:53:33 -0400, DSK wrote:

Which group has the higher IQ, on average: NASCAR fans or
chess players?

Ohhhh boy, now you've done it.

Last time I looked you were living in North Carolina? I think I can
hear the crowd assembling outside your house as we speak...

Be safe, stay ahead of the mob.

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

True and their hard labors make a lot of things possible, for themselves
and
others.

Good point.

Yes, both from the perspective of scraping by with enough extra to enjoy
boating and the sweat of their labors being enough profit margin for "the
man". The trick is ending up as "the man". A feat not easily accomplished.

That depends on how they go boating. A lot of people enjoy
being the objects of attention, so they get very loud flashy
boats and operate in such a way that they interfere with
other people's enjoyment. Other people have short attention
spans and little tolerance for following procedure. Both of
these groups of people should be in a video game parlor, not
out on the water. We'd all be happier & safer.

Ah so now we get to the crux of the issue. I say bull****. You're
basically crowing some sort of elitist nonsense.

What of the sailor that thinks it's a good idea to try going in/out of Ego
Alley whilst undersail? Or tries playing the sailboat "right of way" game
in any number of other plainly stupid situations? These folks are likewise
a menance, but hey at least they're out there boating. Live and let live.

Willingness to engage in what you find enjoyable doesn't equate with
intelligence.

Sure it does.

Which group has the higher IQ, on average: NASCAR fans or
chess players?

Of course, this doesn't prove that any individual chess
player is necessarily smarter (or better looking, or richer)
than any individual NASCAR fan.

IQ has nothing to do with boating, power or otherwise. I know plenty of
both types of boaters and IQ swings the gamut across them. Nor does it make
any sense to try reaching for some sort of insult regarding NASCAR fans (but
one DOES have to wonder sometimes...)

You're basically chanting the same, tired elitist nonsense sailors have
tried using for years. Fortunately the powerboaters can simply throttle up
and leave that behind.

-Bill Kearney

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

Which group has the higher IQ, on average: NASCAR fans or
chess players?


Wayne.B wrote:
Ohhhh boy, now you've done it.

Last time I looked you were living in North Carolina? I think I can
hear the crowd assembling outside your house as we speak...

Be safe, stay ahead of the mob.


It's OK, I'm posting from my secret secure bunker in an
undisclosed location!

DSK

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

That depends on how they go boating. A lot of people enjoy
being the objects of attention, so they get very loud flashy
boats and operate in such a way that they interfere with
other people's enjoyment. Other people have short attention
spans and little tolerance for following procedure. Both of
these groups of people should be in a video game parlor, not
out on the water. We'd all be happier & safer.


Bill Kearney wrote:
Ah so now we get to the crux of the issue. I say bull****. You're
basically crowing some sort of elitist nonsense.


Not at all.
I'm saying that people who want to jump up & down screaming
"LOOK AT ME-E-E-EEEE!!" should not expect a boat to satisfy
their urges. Attempts to do so will only lead to frustration
and will also irritate (not to mention endanger) other boaters.




What of the sailor that thinks it's a good idea to try going in/out of Ego
Alley whilst undersail?

Not particularly a good idea, however I have done it many
times in a boat that HAD NO MOTOR AT ALL so clearly you
cannot expect everybody to go around in a stinkpot just to
suit your own convenience.





You're basically chanting the same, tired elitist nonsense sailors have
tried using for years.

Not at all. You're just PO'd because I am pointing out that
your type of sport is wasteful, noisy, burns money (althoug
sailing is not exactly cheap, at least it doesn't throw
dollars out the exhaust pipe), and pollutes both the air &
water. Not to mention requiring a higher level of attention
to safety (which is often absent). And other than the skill
needed to operate safely, it requires almost no brain power
at all.


Fortunately the powerboaters can simply throttle up
and leave that behind.


Which takes exactly how much skill & IQ?? My point exactly.

Regards
Doug King

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

Not at all.
I'm saying that people who want to jump up & down screaming
"LOOK AT ME-E-E-EEEE!!" should not expect a boat to satisfy
their urges. Attempts to do so will only lead to frustration
and will also irritate (not to mention endanger) other boaters.

Hmmm, I'm not convinced. That sounds more like trying to duck out of the
stupid comments.


What of the sailor that thinks it's a good idea to try going in/out of
Ego
Alley whilst undersail?

Not particularly a good idea, however I have done it many
times in a boat that HAD NO MOTOR AT ALL so clearly you
cannot expect everybody to go around in a stinkpot just to
suit your own convenience.

Uh, it's not about 'my convinience' at all. Are you even following the
thread?


You're basically chanting the same, tired elitist nonsense sailors have
tried using for years.

Not at all. You're just PO'd because I am pointing out that
your type of sport is wasteful, noisy, burns money (althoug
sailing is not exactly cheap, at least it doesn't throw
dollars out the exhaust pipe), and pollutes both the air &
water. Not to mention requiring a higher level of attention
to safety (which is often absent). And other than the skill
needed to operate safely, it requires almost no brain power
at all.

Time is money, a great many folks would prefer to spend money to save time.
We've got plenty of money but time's always short. Thus for us any many
like us, powerboating continues to be considerably more popular than
sailing. Neither sport's any "better" than the other, each is just suited
for different needs/desires. Waking up and going about your day is
"wasteful". If you've got that much guilt about your actions then sailing's
the least of your worries.

As for brain power, having to constantly fiddle with sailing a boat doesn't
make one any smarter. Sure, you've got to take a whole bunch of things into
consideration in order to have the boat actually get somewhere. That you
want to equate that with IQ is laughable, at best.

Fortunately the powerboaters can simply throttle up
and leave that behind.

Which takes exactly how much skill & IQ?? My point exactly.

Your point? You've made such a pathetic argument there really isn't a
point. I'd quote IQ numbers to you but I get the impression I'd be making
you look like more of an idiot than you've already done yourself.

For us it was a simple choice. We work, we're not retired and would like to
enjoy a number of different places on the Bay. We've limited time (mainly
weekends) to do it. A good number of times we'd be bringing clients along.
The last point was the single biggest reason not to go with a sailboat.
Having to put your clients to work, or risk YELLING at them as they're about
to get brained by the boom isn't exactly conducive to maintaining a good
relationship.

I think sailing's a great way to enjoy the water, and so's powerboating.
Why sailors insist on flogging their sport as "better" is pointless. It
doesn't work for everyone, so give it a rest.

-Bill Kearney

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

Not at all.
I'm saying that people who want to jump up & down screaming
"LOOK AT ME-E-E-EEEE!!" should not expect a boat to satisfy
their urges. Attempts to do so will only lead to frustration
and will also irritate (not to mention endanger) other boaters.


Bill Kearney wrote:
Hmmm, I'm not convinced. That sounds more like trying to duck out of the
stupid comments.


Stupid is in the eye of the beholder. My comments were right
on the money.



What of the sailor that thinks it's a good idea to try going in/out of
Ego
Alley whilst undersail?


Not particularly a good idea, however I have done it many
times in a boat that HAD NO MOTOR AT ALL so clearly you
cannot expect everybody to go around in a stinkpot just to
suit your own convenience.


Uh, it's not about 'my convinience' at all. Are you even following the
thread?

Yes, are you?

You are the one who complained about sailboaters "abusing"
their right-of-way and sailboats going under sail (gasp)
places where you might have to look out for them.

Is that not a matter of inconvenience to you?




Time is money, a great many folks would prefer to spend money to save time.

True.

We've got plenty of money but time's always short.

Lucky you.

It's also a matter of perception & priorities... you have
exactly the same amount of time I do, 24 hours in a day and
7 days in a week.

... Thus for us any many
like us, powerboating continues to be considerably more popular than
sailing. Neither sport's any "better" than the other,

I didn't say sailing was better, just that it takes more
applied brainpower.



As for brain power, having to constantly fiddle with sailing a boat doesn't
make one any smarter.

True. I would not say that sailors on average are provably
smarter than motorboaters, just that they are people who
enjoy using their brains more... or at least exercising a
skill which requires conscious thought....



Your point? You've made such a pathetic argument there really isn't a
point.

Really? Then what are you mad about?


For us it was a simple choice. We work, we're not retired and would like to
enjoy a number of different places on the Bay. We've limited time (mainly
weekends) to do it.

What a stupid idea. You could get there faster by driving.


The last point was the single biggest reason not to go with a sailboat.
Having to put your clients to work, or risk YELLING at them as they're about
to get brained by the boom isn't exactly conducive to maintaining a good
relationship.


Do you think that sailing necessarily involves yelling?



I think sailing's a great way to enjoy the water, and so's powerboating.
Why sailors insist on flogging their sport as "better" is pointless.

Did I say anything about "better"? You OTOH have whined
quite a lot about sailors & sailboats.


... It
doesn't work for everyone, so give it a rest.


You brought it up.

DSK

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

Dougy is just here to stir up ****. That's his hobby. Did he mention
that HIS boat is a power boat? I guess he's not all that honest,
either!

Of course, that explains his guilt complex.

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

Dougy is just here to stir up ****. That's his hobby.

And your hobby is??


.... Did he mention
that HIS boat is a power boat?

I have never concealed that one of my boats is a power boat.
In fact I have proudly posted links to pics of it, right in
this newsgroup, many times.

http://travel.webshots.com/album/93684773IwAbxX

Bill Kearney wrote:
Of course, that explains his guilt complex.

What am I supposedly guilty of?

DSK

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge
 

Nice boat, Doug!



DSK wrote:
Dougy is just here to stir up ****. That's his hobby.

And your hobby is??


.... Did he mention
that HIS boat is a power boat?

I have never concealed that one of my boats is a power boat.
In fact I have proudly posted links to pics of it, right in
this newsgroup, many times.

http://travel.webshots.com/album/93684773IwAbxX

Bill Kearney wrote:
Of course, that explains his guilt complex.

What am I supposedly guilty of?

DSK

Silverton 38 Sport Bridge